FINALLY! Barcelona(s) + Asus L1N64...... [Archive]

s7e9h3n

11-06-2007, 04:31 PM

Here's a cut and paste from my post in the VIP section here @ XS:

*Please don't PM me for the bios. I have to first get permission since it's not my property ;) *

Good news:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9835/cpuzverifiedwy2.jpg

Bad new:

1. Bios seems to clear itself every time I change the memory config. I was going to start testing for a bad stick/slot, but then I got tired of setting every bios option after swapping out each stick :rolleyes:

2. I either have a bad stick, a bad slot, or this bios doesn't like to boot with 4x2gb of DDR2. It will boot fine with 3x2gb, but not 4.

3. The board now takes an unusually long time to boot. From what I can tell from the post codes from my debug card, the board does some sort of "cycle" when rebooting. I'll check the codes later....

4. Although there are options for voltage and overclocking the FSB in bios, I can safely say that the FSB option DOES NOT WORK. I can set a certain FSB in bios, but the board just ends up booting @ default (200mhz). If I go back into bios, my OC'd setting is STILL there, but doesn't actually do anything. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that there's a page in the bios which indicates that the cpu frequency is unchangeable - I'm figuring that there's some sort of lock on the bios still.

5. The quads seem to be running a bit slower clock-for-clock than in my Tyan s3993. So far, Spi and Cinebench scores are both worse on the L1N64.

That's about it for now. I'm just glad we've mad some progress. Now to unlocking those bios options ;) BTW, I thought you guys may get a kick outta this screeny. This is what the older version of CPUZ detected my cpu's as:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3153/agenass4.jpg

lol...Octal Phenom :woot:

tictac

11-06-2007, 04:47 PM

octal phenom..? wow..

metro.cl

11-06-2007, 04:50 PM

Nice Steven :) finally

If anyone wants the BIOS is OK PM me or Steven.

Brian MP5T

11-06-2007, 04:53 PM

Very Cool

s7e9h3n

11-06-2007, 04:59 PM

Nice Steven :) finally

If anyone wants the BIOS is OK PM me or Steven.

Let's just make it easy for everyone and have metro.cl be the one to PM ;) lol...

BTW...thanks! :up:

THE JEW (RaVeN)

11-06-2007, 05:48 PM

:cool:

Now the fun really begins.

AliG

11-06-2007, 05:51 PM

w0000t! Now to see how it compares to the qx9650. And just so that amd finally will win a benchmark, let's disable a few cores on the qx9650:p

While this is nice, being realistic, where is it actually applicable?

mrcmtl

11-06-2007, 06:35 PM

whats the ram timings? 1-3-3-3??????

AliG

11-06-2007, 06:37 PM

w00t wr for ram:rofl:

AliG

11-06-2007, 06:39 PM

interesting, cpuz doesn't display the l3 cache. I thought only the b0s had the l3 disabled, or do also the b1s then (which by the way, where are the BAs? those should have been out by now)?

showmanlkz

11-06-2007, 07:04 PM

interesting, cpuz doesn't display the l3 cache. I thought only the b0s had the l3 disabled, or do also the b1s then (which by the way, where are the BAs? those should have been out by now)?

I think that pic is the old one with old version cpuz..

JohannesRS

11-06-2007, 07:47 PM

these are great news! except for the memory bug... :P and the OC ones.

Can you tell us Steve how much slower is L1N64 compared to the Tyan one?

Moreover: how are the "bugs" with ccNUMA and memory clocks?????? :D

i found nemo

11-06-2007, 07:58 PM

4.5 mb of cache ... mmmm 6.5 mb for the 1mb l2 versions? ( 64*4 + 64*4 + 512*4 + 2048 and 64*4 + 64*4 +1024*4 +2048 ? )

PhilDoc

11-06-2007, 08:25 PM

Will there be a 1mb l2 version?

Lightman

11-07-2007, 12:20 AM

Finally!

Still 2 weeks before official Phenom launch :) !

Post some scores and try to clock FSB from Windows :up:

tictac

11-07-2007, 09:03 AM

Let's just make it easy for everyone and have metro.cl be the one to PM ;) lol...

BTW...thanks! :up:
Ok i will help metro :D

If metro didnt reply you can get it here:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/68f16563-29e2-4bd5-a997-bb87746c8c00/ASUS-L1N64-SLI-WS-0301

kyosen

11-07-2007, 11:30 AM

I received the BIOS from metro.cl, many thanks!!!
And now, my L1N64-SLI has booted up with s7e9h3n's 2350(B1):up:

L1N64-SLI has no support for DDPM/split power plane,
so there is no NorthBridge voltage display on AMD Power Monitor,
and NorthBidge is running at x8 multiplier
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64_K10B1-2.0_NB-1.6_400.png

I could change NB multiplier x8 -> x9, with modifying register and reboot.
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64_K10B1-2.0_NB-1.8_400.png

ClockGen 1.0.4.6 is available for L1N64-SLI, but I feel that the response is
a bit slower than KFSN4-DRE's case.
At first, I couldn't reach FSB230 with x3 HT Link multiplier,
but I noticed that HT Links are set as x3, x3, x1.
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64_HT_x3_x3_x1.png

So I changed HT Link multiplier as x3, x3, x3, and reboot.
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64_HT_x3_x3_x3.png

Finally I got 2.5G:)
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64_K10B1-2.5_NB-x8_3-5.png

Now, sleeeeepy...good night;)

tictac

11-07-2007, 11:40 AM

hei its 4am here in bali.. you spend all night playing with this toys.. hehe.. nice.. keep em coming.. thx for sharing with us

nullface

11-07-2007, 11:46 AM

Am i wrong or is that a nice boost?
39sek 2000Mhz / 400Mhz 5-5-5-15-21 vs. 32sek 2500Mhz / 417MHz 5-5-5-15-21

SPI depends on ram, yes? So 7 sek boost on 17MHz isnet that pretty good, or did i get it all wrong?

s7e9h3n

11-07-2007, 11:47 AM

metro.cl

11-07-2007, 11:56 AM

If you have issues you can send me feedback an i will help get a better bios.

Send me the problemas and rig specs.

Regards

p.d. there are specific instructions to flash the bios dont do it the normal way or you might kill something

nemrod

11-07-2007, 12:54 PM

kyosen

11-07-2007, 07:12 PM

Kyosen-san, are you running a single 2gb stick of memory?

No, I'm running my board with 1GB Reg. memory modules.
I tried 2x 2350 and 4x = 2x + 2x memory modules in this morinng.
My 1GB modules is 1 rank(bank) type, so it looks that bank-interleave is disabled,
but all 4x modules are detected and working:
http://www.oohashi.jp/images/L1N64_K10_x2_memory_x4.png

And here, additional explanation of register mod with MchbarEdit...
...instead of private mail...it's convinient, I think:)

HT Link multiplier
Target registers are F0x[0E8,0C8,0A8,088].
Barcelona/K10 is designed to have 4 HT Link,
but it looks that one of them is disabled for current K10 Opteron...
...in this case, F0x0E8 is reserved for 4th HT Link, and it's disabled now.
Then, we can observe the value like 80750660 on F0x[0C8,0A8,088] with MchbarEdit.
From AMD's BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide, Page 146,
HT Link is set as below:
80750660 = x5
80750560 = x4
80750460 = x3
80750360 = reserved (...probably x2.5!? not tested)
80750260 = x2
80750160 = reservied (...probably x1.5!? not tested)
80750060 = x1
We can write desirable value on it, and after rebooting, it should be changed.
# Also we should be able to change HT Link width 8bit/16bit with registers mod
# for F0x[0C4,0A4,084] in similar way, but I've not tested it.

North Bridge multiplier
Target register is F3x0D4.
We can observe the value like C331F024 on F3x0D4 with MchbarEdit,
and last digit (4 in the above case) is NbFid, i.e. NorthBridge Frequency ID.
NB clock is defined as "200 x (NbFid + 4) / (2^NbDid)"
NbDid, i.e. NorthBridge Divisor ID is defined at MSRC001_00[68:64], and it's 0 in default.
2^0=1, so we can think simply NB clock = 200 x (NbFid + 4).
We need to reboot to give effect to changing F3x0D4[NbFid].
# Oppositely, NbDid is changeable without reboot, so the system can reduce NB clock dynamically.

JohannesRS

11-07-2007, 07:34 PM

could someone please confirm or deny if there is still problems with barcellonas and CCNUMA and/or dual-channel?

tictac

11-07-2007, 08:06 PM

show us sisoft sandra memory benchmark for NUMA validation..

tictac

11-07-2007, 08:27 PM

HT Link multiplier
Target registers are F0x[0E8,0C8,0A8,088].
Barcelona/K10 is designed to have 4 HT Link,
but it looks that one of them is disabled for current K10 Opteron...
...in this case, F0x0E8 is reserved for 4th HT Link, and it's disabled now.
Then, we can observe the value like 80750660 on F0x[0C8,0A8,088] with MchbarEdit.
From AMD's BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide, Page 146,
HT Link is set as below:
80750660 = x5
80750560 = x4
80750460 = x3
80750360 = reserved (...probably x2.5!? not tested)
80750260 = x2
80750160 = reservied (...probably x1.5!? not tested)
80750060 = x1
We can write desirable value on it, and after rebooting, it should be changed.
# Also we should be able to change HT Link width 8bit/16bit with registers mod
# for F0x[0C4,0A4,084] in similar way, but I've not tested it.

Just to add more information.. with 2 processor install there are 2 Register address need to be set up for both processor to change the HT Link Clock. Which are:

Processor node 0 = Bus#0 Device#24 Function#0 (For processor number 1)
Offset 88h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 0
Offset A8h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 1
Offset C8h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 2
Offset E8h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 3

Processor node 1 = Bus#0 Device#25 Function#0 (For Processor Number 2)
Offset 88h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 0
Offset A8h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 1
Offset C8h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 2
Offset E8h (32bit access mode) LDT Link 3

Here is some guide from me with WPCREdit:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2437020&postcount=554

After changing.. REBOOT is required to invoke LDTSTOP_L function and change actual HT-Link

tictac

11-09-2007, 09:07 AM

North Bridge multiplier
Target register is F3x0D4.
We can observe the value like C331F024 on F3x0D4 with MchbarEdit,
and last digit (4 in the above case) is NbFid, i.e. NorthBridge Frequency ID.
NB clock is defined as "200 x (NbFid + 4) / (2^NbDid)"
NbDid, i.e. NorthBridge Divisor ID is defined at MSRC001_00[68:64], and it's 0 in default.
2^0=1, so we can think simply NB clock = 200 x (NbFid + 4).
We need to reboot to give effect to changing F3x0D4[NbFid].
# Oppositely, NbDid is changeable without reboot, so the system can reduce NB clock dynamically.

Additional information to access it with WPCEDIT

With 2 processor there are 2 register need to be edit :-

1) Processor node 0 = Bus#0 Device#24 Function#3 (For processor number 1)
Offset D4h (32bit access mode) , Bit 0,1,2,3,4 (5bit)

2) Processor node 1 = Bus#0 Device#25 Function#3 (For processor number 2)
Offset D4h (32bit access mode) , Bit 0,1,2,3,4 (5bit)

NB clock = 200 x (NbFid + 4).
*NBFid = in decimal

Bit = Hex = Decimal = NB Speed calculation
00001b = 1h = 1 = NB clock 200x (1+4) = 1000MHz
00010b = 2h = 2 = NB clock 200x (2+4) = 1200MHz
00011b = 3h = 3 = NB clock 200x (3+4) = 1400MHz
00100b = 4h = 4 = NB clock 200x (4+4) = 1600MHz
00101b = 5h = 5 = NB clock 200x (5+4) = 1800MHz
00111b = 6h = 6 = NB clock 200x (6+4) = 2000MHz
....
11011 = 1Bh = 27 = NB clock 200x (27+4) = 6200MHz

:up: :yepp: :welcome:

Start

11-09-2007, 09:20 AM

Lol 6200 Mhz Nb

informal

11-09-2007, 09:21 AM

Additional information to access it with WPCEDIT

With 2 processor there are 2 register need to be edit :-

1) Processor node 0 = Bus#0 Device#24 Function#3 (For processor number 1)
Offset D4h (32bit access mode) , Bit 0,1,2,3,4 (5bit)

2) Processor node 1 = Bus#0 Device#24 Function#3 (For processor number 2)
Offset D4h (32bit access mode) , Bit 0,1,2,3,4 (5bit)

NB clock = 200 x (NbFid + 4).
*NBFid = in decimal

Bit = Hex = Decimal = NB Speed calculation
00001b = 1h = 1 = NB clock 200x (1+4) = 1000MHz
00010b = 2h = 2 = NB clock 200x (2+4) = 1200MHz
00011b = 3h = 3 = NB clock 200x (3+4) = 1400MHz
00100b = 4h = 4 = NB clock 200x (4+4) = 1600MHz
00101b = 5h = 5 = NB clock 200x (5+4) = 1800MHz
00111b = 6h = 6 = NB clock 200x (6+4) = 2000MHz
....
11011 = 1Bh = 27 = NB clock 200x (27+4) = 6200MHz

:up: :yepp: :welcome:

Thanks for this info tictac :up:
I wanted to ask you if you know anyone who was able to run Barcelona/Phenom (be it retail or ES) with NB clock greater than 2GHz?Since according to your posting,the chips are able to run the IMC/L3(both inside the NB domain) at a far greater frequencies(6.4Ghz,in theory) of those 1.6/1.8Ghz we saw in tests up to now...
I suspect the ~2.5Ghz NB clock could greatly help reduce the L3 latency as well as mem. latency!And we know AMD uses the same sram for L2 and L3 and we know they are able to clock them as high as 3.2Ghz on 6400+ case and as up to 2.7 revG2(and presumably the 2.9Ghz as yet unreleased G2 part will work at).Since the L2 in these K8s is the same type of cache AMD used for the L3 in K10,there should be no reason this L3 couldn't work on ~2.5Ghz-like clocks.

tictac

11-09-2007, 09:29 AM

Lol 6200 Mhz Nb

Maximum NBFid = 27 + 4 = 31 x 200 = 6200MHz but...doh.... :rolleyes:

NB Fid must not exceed MaxNBFid (located on CPU_MSRC001_0071, bit 63-59) if we set it higher no change will be set :shakes:

Thanks for this info tictac :up:
I wanted to ask you if you know anyone who was able to run Barcelona/Phenom (be it retail or ES) with NB clock greater than 2GHz?Since according to your posting,the chips are able to run the IMC/L3(both inside the NB domain) at a far greater frequencies(6.4Ghz,in theory) of those 1.6/1.8Ghz we saw in tests up to now...
I suspect the ~2.5Ghz NB clock could greatly help reduce the L3 latency as well as mem. latency!And we know AMD uses the same sram for L2 and L3 and we know they are able to clock them as high as 3.2Ghz on 6400+ case and as up to 2.7 revG2(and presumably the 2.9Ghz as yet unreleased G2 part will work at).Since the L2 in these K8s is the same type of cache AMD used for the L3 in K10,there should be no reason this L3 couldn't work on ~2.5Ghz-like clocks.

i havent seen anybody run it higher than NB multiplier of 9. :(

twobombs

11-10-2007, 01:51 AM

NB clock is crippled in non split-voltage boards. The idea is that this is initialized by the BIOS through an undocumented WR-MSR that informs the processor to go in this mode. Disassembly should provide the location and values involved.
AMD stated that they did it that way to prevent boards going the way of the dodo because of overvoltage/amperage; and I don't believe that. So... yah... when this barcelona goodness comes to the KFN5D be it one way or the other I've got some plans for that part.

On another note : To my knowledge MaxFID cannot be overridden with the Opteron.

kyosen

11-10-2007, 04:38 AM

I connected wire from ADP3186 Pin#8 FB to GND with 50k-ohm VR.
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64-SLI_Vcore-mod.jpg

I could reach 2.6G@1.36V with water-cooling(no air-conditioner assisted).

SuperPI1M:
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/L1N64_K10B1-2.6_NB-x8_3-4.png

CineBench10:
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/CB10_L1N64_K10B1-2.6G.png

I noticed that ClockGen-1.0.5.3 is also available,
but anyway I must change clock step by step, 1 click by 1 click,
and L1N64-SLI is not robust to clock changing...
...it mostly cause freeze/blue-screen/reboot before reaching 220MHz:(

twobombs

11-10-2007, 05:24 AM

Kyosen-chan: the older AMD power monitor shows the speed during overclock correct and works better with p-states on non-split voltage boards. The new one is full of those bugs.

Powerfull OCL, good Bench. :up:

Sunfire

11-10-2007, 06:14 AM

Does Socket F support Split Power Planes or there will be an updated Socket F?
(maybe SocketF+)

Epicenter

11-10-2007, 08:01 AM

The big issue here seems to be it's not possible to raise the CPU clock generator frequency above 200 MHz with this board due to BIOS limitations. So, why not build an external circuit or generator to replace the onboard signal to the CPU, instead of relying on the board's PLL hardware? This technique has worked well for me in the overclocking of numerous video game consoles and would likely be applicable to x86 hardware as well.

Generators exist to produce a squarewave of the required amplitude at any frequency, and so do lower-cost solutions like VCOs and fixed-frequency crystal oscillators. You'd just need to sever the clock trace to the CPU and attach your own signal. I don't imagine this would be a problem since the CPU reference frequency seems to be arbitrary and distinct from that of any other component on most overclocker-friendly boards (in the pursuit of separating FSB, PCI, AGP, PCI-Express, and other buses so a rising frequency on one won't interfere with proper operation of the rest.)

nemrod

11-10-2007, 09:16 AM

Generators exist to produce a squarewave of the required amplitude at any frequency, and so do lower-cost solutions like VCOs and fixed-frequency crystal oscillators. You'd just need to sever the clock trace to the CPU and attach your own signal. I don't imagine this would be a problem since the CPU reference frequency seems to be arbitrary and distinct from that of any other component on most overclocker-friendly boards (in the pursuit of separating FSB, PCI, AGP, PCI-Express, and other buses so a rising frequency on one won't interfere with proper operation of the rest.)

I don't think it's independent, (related to multi of the same frequency)
Then, in order to lock the pll of the cpu, there is probably a sequence starting in the "catch" (not sure of the english term) of the cpu's pll and going at a certain speed up to the fsb value.

twobombs

11-10-2007, 10:45 AM

The KFN5/32 had that System Clock limitation, I reverse engineered the timer chip inside the MCP55/Nforce3600 chipset logic and this made it possible to overclock the timer chip to previously thought impossible speeds. I think the same can be done with the L1N64, I haven't had this board in my hands to check if there is a timer chip. The KFN has none, chances are that the L1N64 hasn't got one either; the chipset upscales from a 14.something Mhz X-tal.

CPU-z verification (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=237136)

twobombs

11-10-2007, 11:46 AM

Does Socket F support Split Power Planes or there will be an updated Socket F?
(maybe SocketF+)

It's all called Socket F

Epicenter

11-10-2007, 09:26 PM

I don't think it's independent, (related to multi of the same frequency)
Then, in order to lock the pll of the cpu, there is probably a sequence starting in the "catch" (not sure of the english term) of the cpu's pll and going at a certain speed up to the fsb value.
Two things; #1 I'm pretty sure it'd work since the PLL shouldn't NEED to lock, but you'd need to hold the frequency stable wherever you are generating it.. and #2 I'm not so sure there's really a PLL at all, and the CPU isn't just being fed a multiplied value from a crystal on the board. Example; the CPU clock generator frequency on my AM2 board isn't that stable; it drifts by ~+/-3 MHz. That's pretty substantial. Something more robust might be in place on a high end server board like this, but who knows.

Here's another idea; to maintain synchronization why not build a simple circuit to multiply the system crystal frequency up to the desired speed and feed that to the CPU, set multiplier and you should be good to go.

nemrod

11-11-2007, 01:03 AM

I'm not so sure there's really a PLL at all, and the CPU isn't just being fed a multiplied value from a crystal on the board.

I believe it's inside the cpu and that the multiplier is something like a /N in the feedback loop. :shrug:
3GHz or even 5 or 6GHz (ln2 for example) is quite high on a board.

Here's another idea; to maintain synchronization why not build a simple circuit to multiply the system crystal frequency up to the desired speed and feed that to the CPU, set multiplier and you should be good to go.

It's probably far better. (but with classical PLL design you will have integer multi, if the cpu work (x2) with a 300MHz input your board is only at 150MHz, and the memory too, so clock of memory should probably be x2)

twobombs

11-11-2007, 01:21 AM

Opteron146

11-11-2007, 02:23 AM

Does Socket F support Split Power Planes or there will be an updated Socket F?
(maybe SocketF+)

It's all called Socket F

It is called Socket F with "Dual Dynamic Power Management"(DDPM):

http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_12353,00.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_5730~120221,00.html

For simplicity's sake we should call it Socket F+. DDPM it is just a separate, more complicate marketing name for the server segment. It is the same game as PowerNow! / Cool&Quiet.

cheers

Opteron146

nemrod

11-11-2007, 08:50 AM

The System Clock is fed to the CPU sockets and a lot of other places in a lot of forms. Do not underestimate the time critical factor of the System Clock during POST, in power saving, regular and overclocking scenarios. I've done a big piece on it here (http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=000093;p=2) ( and that's part of 3 months' worth of work ) P-states and System Clock changes have very time-critical elements, especially in systems that are already POST-ed. That's the main reason why Clock Gen crashes on a whole bunch of new Socket F boards; The MCP55 interface of ClockGen is faulty because of the change from one setting to another causing lockups. I've found a way around that problem, and thats also in that thread.

Interresting reading (not yet finished) ;)

This part let me think I was right with "Then, in order to lock the pll of the cpu, there is probably a sequence starting in the "catch" (not sure of the english term) of the cpu's pll and going at a certain speed up to the fsb value.":

It gets worse actually; a big change in the clock timer of the the MCP55 *always* causes a total system crash; like the P-states in the AMD processor this has to be done in relative small incremental steps. This has to do with the latency of the gates and the system in general that in which a too big increase in the System clock would be like throwing a big stone in a pond, disturbing the system. Small increments. I found out that those increments actually had to be bitwise, hence the 4h increments, causing only a relative minor change at once through writing to one byte at the time, but a value that is not too high and could still be digested by the system.

In fact, for pll stuff, there is a catch region (frequency region related to the free running and the filter of the pll) where the pll is always look if a frequency in that region is in entry then, there is a wider region where pll could stay look if move not to quick (in order, to have the new frequency - the old frequency below the cut-off of the filter, the maximum speed of change is related to some "boring" pll stability analysis)

From what I understand you're able to set higher fsb by changing slowly value (windows) but you can't yet start with high speed in bios? This is probably related to the speed of the change.

twobombs

11-11-2007, 09:13 AM

The reason is that I haven't found a good place where I can change the values that are written into the MCP55 is that I've seen several places where the system starts in a very early state, but the FSB selection routine is written in high-level 'C' and when it is compiled a sort of 'housekeeper' runs through the list of 'things-to-do and to clean up' and calls routines accordingly. At that point in time the system isn't initialized as it is after POST and much more flexible settings/timings are allowed. ( I haven't seen an array with the FSB/Clock variables either )

This 'housekeeper' that I've called it is a complicated and elaborate piece of machinecode and to prevent getting stuck into that area because of time constraints I ran through the early stages of the POST and found out that the System Clock is setup by a hidden SMBus. RW Everything showed it was the SMBus @ 2800h ( 3 registers at 2808h/2809h/280Ah ) after POST, and that's where the manipulation of the registers started. A datasheet of a known AMD clockdriver and an experiment with my notebook later the work was done.

A side effect, and another confirmation, of the software overclock you can't soft reboot because the system will want to revert to its default (in BIOS) and freezes. To reset you'll need to press the reset button twice. Once to get it into default speed, and the second time to actually boot at the default speed. The housekeeper knows how to handle this though when its set in the BIOS, but the BIOS only allow a 5% OCL. Manuals and some small RW-Everything files here (http://www.geocities.com/twobombs/mcp55dox.html) [ we're getting offtopic here ? ]

twobombs

11-11-2007, 10:18 AM

Could somebody post some nominal & OCL 'Octo' Barcelona L1N64 Sisoft Sandra Bandwith and CPU/FPU goodness here ?
That would be great, tnx.

KTE

11-11-2007, 11:11 AM

Two things; #1 I'm pretty sure it'd work since the PLL shouldn't NEED to lock, but you'd need to hold the frequency stable wherever you are generating it.. and #2 I'm not so sure there's really a PLL at all, and the CPU isn't just being fed a multiplied value from a crystal on the board. AFAI last checked, there's a PLL within the CPUs and there's also one on the motherboard - both are checked by the BIOS upon bootup and have to return values in sync of each other or your system won't boot (or rarely it will but with very erratic behavior). Sometimes the northbridge also has a PLL.
Example; the CPU clock generator frequency on my AM2 board isn't that stable; it drifts by ~+/-3 MHz. That's pretty substantial. Something more robust might be in place on a high end server board like this, but who knows.Check the Base Timer value in SiSoftware Sandra after running a benchmark. It should be 3.6MHz very consistent and stable and that's what you need to see if your PLL/s are working correctly. If you had fluctuations in that, your clock frequencies would be very unstable (at least in the desktop range) and wrong.

There shouldn't be any fluctuations in the clock generators, they are usually extremely accurate, and if there is that'll affect the Windows time, RDTSC and system frequency based clock readings (such as many benchmarks). I 'aint sure about server systems though.

STEvil

11-11-2007, 03:38 PM

I think he meant the cpu clock was fluctuating by ~3mhz which is a bit much but pretty normal... 3mhz pll fluctuation is a lot.

twobombs

11-17-2007, 12:07 PM

Hello, Sisoft, barcelona, anyone ?

STEvil

11-17-2007, 01:15 PM

I dont think sisoft works correctly with barcelona..

alucasa

11-17-2007, 02:23 PM

Here is a Cpu-z screenshot from a retail cpu.

KTE

11-17-2007, 10:18 PM

I dont think sisoft works correctly with barcelona..It's a HIGHLY synthetic bench, so depending on what characteristics of the CPU it "presumes" the results can be flawed from 0-100% for any CPU.

Lightman

11-18-2007, 03:09 AM

Here is a Cpu-z screenshot from a retail cpu.

Is this taken on final BIOS for L1N64 or the one brought by TicTac/Metro??

Any OC results yet? :)

twobombs

11-18-2007, 11:48 AM

AMD delays Phenom 2.4 GHz due to TLB errata

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/18/amd-delays-phenom-ghz-due-tlb

" While benchmark software vendors had some problems detecting how new memory controller work - both SiSoft Sandra XII and Everest 4.20 were returning single-channel results, regardless of memory controller being used in SC/DC, dual-72-bit or 144-bit- we are still shocked to learn of this situation, that will end up with dire consequences for AMD's management. "
________

This single piece of information clears up several questions that I had gathered recently... even if I don't like the answer...

Punisher!

11-18-2007, 11:55 PM

Poor AMD :(.

Epicenter

11-19-2007, 01:19 AM

Since when is the Inquirer a reputable source of info.. I've seen loads of BS from them before to my recollection. At any rate, this is bad news for AMD's market share to be sure, to quote AMD they can be slower and cheaper, but not slower and more expensive. Price cuts just might make AMD the better deal again, if they can afford it. The low cost and high performance of 690G boards and the Brisbane 4000+ made me choose AMD's 690G platform, maybe they can make their next generation a good deal too.

What I'm really hoping for is a cheap Phenom X4 "black edition" chip. I just missed that one buying my 4000+, but I do still love this little bastard. :) It's marvelously fast, especially at 2887 MHz.

twobombs

11-27-2007, 08:39 AM

Since when is the Inquirer a reputable source of info..

They are a lot more reliable then the official propaganda BS that's being produced into the many official channels.

Seigi-Sama

12-09-2007, 07:18 PM

I wanted to build an Octo-Core system since I first heard about it. But now that I see that AMD has pretty much abandoned the QuadFx platform it seams that has gone out the window. Unless of course they Produce a "Black edition" Unlocked Opteron with the ability to run Non-Registered Ram. I've always loved AMD but lately it seams like they are just doing everything wrong. I will still USE an AMD CPU in my next machine, just wish it would be a "4x4" Quad FX like I have been dreaming of since last march. ARe there any Recent benchmarks on running L1N64 +2x Barcelonas? What about OC results? I will be keeping a close eye on this thread until I work up the cash for building my next system.

JohannesRS

12-09-2007, 07:46 PM

Welcome. I'm another one who were wishing exactly the same stuff.

A unlocked opteron for common ddr would be great. But, to the moment, what can be done seems to be just to use opterons quad with ecc-ddr on l1n... Seems to be a sad time for the great concept of the dual-socket-quad-cores with ability for oc and high powered videos...

Nevertheless, the statement left a small breech that the concept may be revived in the future. Let's hope something for the 45nm, since there are already the pre-l1a board by asus. If it comes into reallity again, it can become an option for our happiness! :D

flash555

12-10-2007, 10:56 AM

Hi i recently bought an L1N64 Board with 2x Athlon 64 FX-74 im using Normal desktop Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161183 and a GeForce 8800 GTX, now my quastion:

Would i be able to run an Opteron 2350 or 2344 with just this Memory?

EDIT: I use this system for Gaming and Homenetertainment so i need a Memory, i would be able to Play at least Crysis with!

THX i appreciate any help.

JohannesRS

12-10-2007, 11:14 AM

From what I listened at 2cpu.com forums, at least for now, the answer is a sad "no". :(

hyc

12-10-2007, 01:14 PM

Last I checked, there's nothing special in the memory controllers that prevent unregistered DDR from working. Just that you can't drive as many memory slots.

JohannesRS

12-10-2007, 03:01 PM

The last we all checked, was still dual-core opterons... ;)

Don't get me wrong, you may be right (I would love if that's the case, despite that I would prefer a quad crossfire option board). But the info is too new, the bioses just released, and that's the info I got from 2cpu. ;)

alucasa

12-10-2007, 03:02 PM

L1N62 will not accept unregistered ram with Barcelona. It won't even post with unregistered ram and Barcelona.

flash555

12-10-2007, 03:13 PM

L1N62 will not accept unregistered ram with Barcelona. It won't even post with unregistered ram and Barcelona.

But why is a santa roas warking with unreg. DDR2 als you can see here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131691

Or is he using Quad Opterons in this thread? :confused:

alucasa

12-10-2007, 03:16 PM

But why is a santa roas warking with unreg. DDR2 als you can see here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131691

Or is he using Quad Opterons in this thread? :confused:

What are you talking about?

23xx Opteron is Bracelona. You asked if Bracelona will work on L1N. Why are you talking about Santa Rosa?
Those two are based on two completely different cpu.

THE JEW (RaVeN)

12-12-2007, 12:22 AM

Scuttlebut is that ECC ram will work with Barcelona and L1N64 using the hacked bios.

flash555

12-12-2007, 05:11 AM

Scuttlebut is that ECC ram will work with Barcelona and L1N64 using the hacked bios.

What do you mean? Is ECC unregistered Memory?:confused:

::EDIT:: Is anyone capable of Manipulating the Hacked Bios, so that the Quad Opterons would run with unreg. Memory??

THE JEW (RaVeN)

12-12-2007, 11:14 AM

Yes, ECC can be unreg. memory. It can also be reg.

ECC but not reg. example:

KVR533D2E4/2G - Part Detail

Description: 2GB 533MHz DDR2 ECC CL4 DIMM

Detailed Specifications: Standard 256M X 72 ECC 533MHz 240-pin Unbuffered DIMM (SDRAM-DDR2, 1.8V, CL4)

Manufacturer #: N/A

Form Factor: Memory Module

Pieces/Unit: 1

Warranty: Lifetime†

Reg. and ECC:

Kingston 2GB
reg./ECC RoHS
KVR667D2D4P5/2G
Elpida
E5104AG-6E-E

mofoman

12-12-2007, 12:01 PM

Still awaiting someone to solve the problem of making this problem Octo core with the new Opty's and use unregistered DDr ram at the same time.

I'm still stunned and fel extremely shafted that AMD dropped support for the platform, I mean, they could have done a small run of some modified Quad core Opteron's for the people who paid a fortune for the privelege of owning this sytem, and to dump it like a bad smell was pretty lame from AMD, and why I won't be buying any of their product's in the near future again. The whole reason for this sytem was a stop gap between them geting their Quad's out, annd making the whole thing Octo core, with at least trile SLi, using Two High end card's and the vapourware SLI announcemet that was the third GFX card for physic's.

Absolute nonsense they dropped support for an enthusiast platform considering they are meant to be the enthusiast company, Intel just uns rings around them now, and at least Skulltrail will support everything, including SLI.

tictac

12-12-2007, 05:27 PM

msimax

12-12-2007, 07:26 PM

btw thanks for the support

what was fixed??

flash555

12-13-2007, 11:31 AM

New bios... :clap:

ASUS L1N64-SLI-WS

Version: 0401

Change Log:
- Fixed some issue on previous barcelona bios

Download Link:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/7692003c-ebcc-4072-babc-34ea3e7394da/ASUS-L1N64-SLI-ASUS-WS-B-0401

CAUTION : Reg Dimm only!!!

What were the Changes?
And did you try running the Bios on unreg. Memory?

Are ECC = Dimm? Are there any Ram versions with ECC?
In my Current Bios theres n option "Disable ECC Error Correction" does that mean there are also ECC RAM? :confused:

THE JEW (RaVeN)

12-13-2007, 11:32 AM

THE JEW (RaVeN)

12-13-2007, 12:18 PM

Are ECC = Dimm? Are there any Ram versions with ECC?
In my Current Bios theres n option "Disable ECC Error Correction" does that mean there are also ECC RAM? :confused:

For an example of ECC see this post.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2622598&postcount=68

It's ECC but NOT reg. (in the first example)

For an explanation to ECC see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_detection_and_correction#Error-correcting_code

ECC doesn't necessarily mean that you have reg. RAM.

If TicTac added reg. support, he basically turned the enthusiast board into a workstation/server board. Either way, as long as the mobo works with the Barcs, people will be relatively happy.

Though, it would've been nice if Asus had done all this :shakes:

EDIT:

What do you mean? Is ECC unregistered Memory?

It can be both registered (reg.) or unregistered (unreg.) Memory. It's a feature.

RonindeBeatrice

12-14-2007, 01:58 PM

So.... you guys have them working anyway Registered ECC and all, but do you have anything to report about overclocking them yet?

Seigi-Sama

12-18-2007, 05:33 PM

Hopefully you guys will figure out a workaround for Registered memory. I mean Even Slow registered memory is lightyears ahead of the dinosaur I'm running now. But if I'm going to be on a system Like the Quad FX with NUMA I would prefer to have my Memory fast as hell too. But looking at the Numbers NUMA can achieve, registered memory is probably still faster than Non registered on a Intel Quadcore. I suppose its always possible that AMD, and Asus release a Bios for the system down the road. But who wants to wait for "possible" and "down the road?"

mabarkdoll

01-02-2008, 10:57 PM

Great work on the Bios for opteron processors! At least we know we can upgrade in the future if AMD does pull the plug. What does the K8 thing do in your other BIOS revisions? Also does the ECC Ram have to be registered or is unregistered ok? Thanks.

Jiu-jitsuGOD

01-11-2008, 11:23 PM

1)can someone do a sum up for me please? Ive read the entire thread multiple times but cant really make sense out of it all.

2)I have a quadFX platform and a l1n64 motherboard will this allow me to upgrade to an octicore with the barcelona's now? If so which ones? maybe post a newegg link?

3)Is it true that AMD dropped support for this platform..?

4) will standard ddr2 memory work ?

PLEASE any answers would be great.
thanks for anyone that can reply much appreciative

kithylin

01-15-2008, 05:34 PM

To sum it up:

Rumored that with this new bios, the L1N64 will run barcelona.
PERSONALLY i have not confirmed this, as i have no actual barcelona to play with yet.

2.) This bios requires REGISTERED and ECC ddr2 dimms. NORMAL UNBUFFERED RAM WILL NOT WORK WITH THIS BIOS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE FX-series!!

3.) The posted BIOS does work on the L1N64, with reg-ecc memory. I flashed my system about 5 minutes ago as of writing this.

4.) The L1N64 motherboard DOES NOT SUPPORT REG-ECC DIMMS UNLESS YOU USE THIS BIOS. My new ecc registered ram would not work until i updated to this bios.

5.) Do not know about overclocking with this bios, i'm about to try it, as soon as i take my dimms out and fit em with the Spirit RS ram coolers, takes about an hour or so.

I'll update here later tonight as to weither or not this BIOS will overclock via the bios-setup section. IF this bios does that, then there's no reason barcelona shouldn't also overclock. But again i have no barcelona chips, yet, i'll get some soon and test it out. Some of the cheap ones :D

Jiu-jitsuGOD

01-15-2008, 08:52 PM

damn so basically we have to buy new ram if we are going to run the barcelona's because im running OCZ platinum ddr2 .

I really appreciate the sum up BTW.. also what tool did you use to flash the bios... ? did you do it in dos or windows using asus :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty tools?

kithylin

01-15-2008, 09:18 PM

if you go to the asus website, select the L1N64, then click downloads, there's a "Bios utilities" section, it contains a ms-dos utility. fortunately asus doesn't use these "new fangled" windows bios flashing stuff, which is scary to me. Flashing something as critcial as the bios for your motherboard ontop of a known buggy OS? yikes! Anyway!

It appears that currently there are no overclocking options for this leaked bios, 0401. I changed settings in bios relating to the cpu voltage and the frontside bus and everything, and booted into windows and it was all at stock still.

I might get two of the cheaper barcelonas next paycheck and just enjoy that until the B3's come out.

I don't know about windows overclocking, as i can't get any good overclocking utilities to work for vista 64-bit. I tried systool but it needed a driver and vista wouldn't let it or something.

FYI: i'm using two dual core 2.8ghz opteron 2220's right now.
And my new ram i got is 4x2gb ddr2-667-ecc-reg, total 8gb. Vista sees it all, runs great now.

Lightman

01-16-2008, 11:05 AM

Sounds good. When is your paycheck due in?

:up:

SaFrOuT

01-16-2008, 11:41 AM

Here's a cut and paste from my post in the VIP section here @ XS:

sorry for off topic but what is that VIP section ???

kithylin

01-17-2008, 05:17 AM

Sounds good. When is your paycheck due in?

:up:

blah, well maybe no barcelona now, brakes on my car started making noise, so there goes my processor fund, blah, next time, maybe by then the b3's will be out.

i found nemo

01-17-2008, 10:53 AM

do the brakes urself hit up autozone and figure 30 bux tops.

kithylin

01-17-2008, 03:51 PM

yeah i always do em myself, but i'm gonna replace everything brake-wise with aftermarket since it needs a full job all 4 wheels. :) Might get some barc's with the tax return.. hrmm, we'll see ^,^

Jiu-jitsuGOD

01-18-2008, 01:21 AM

so regardless the ram im using with my fx74's is basically useless if I want to upgrade? right? and are these cpu's on new egg to buy? can someone post a link thanks..!!

Shadow0001

02-23-2008, 06:24 PM

Guessing there's still no update on an upgrade path?(officially supported of course)...At this point,i couldn't even care that the CPU's are barcelona core based at all,or even using the upcoming Tri-core versions either.

What are the odds of AMD already using what it's got,at least until they get the clock speeds on the Phenom chips up to speed in terms on clock rates and actual performance?

By that,i mean do it the same way that Intel did,with the use of an MCM and slap 2 65nm brisbane X2 dies in a socket F format,as they still hit pretty respectable clock speeds(up to 3.5 Ghz quite easily),and would easily outperform the Phenom until that chip is able to hit at least 3.1~3.2 Ghz reliably,wich may very well require 45nm to do,so quite a long way off(maybe September).

I could live with 8,65 nm cores running at 3.5GHz,even if they're made up of the older X2 line.....

Shadow0001

03-21-2008, 10:38 AM

Well,a month has gone by and i still see there's no new info regarding any updated Bios from Asus themselves to be able to use Opterons with this board,or any other possible upgrade path announced by AMD,wich they stated in the past there would be one,even though the Phenom FX's were cancelled.

The reason i'm asking is that it seems that B3 revisions of the Phenom's are just about to hit retail,and that there's faster clocked versions available(9850),wich are running at 2.5 Ghz and cost just over the 300$ mark,here's the link.

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/14392

So with that in mind,Opterons also running at those speeds should also be out soon,and worse case scenario here is that since the chips are already running at 2.5 Ghz to start off,the minimum we can expect is that they'll hit at least 2.7~2.8 Ghz stable under an overclock,maybe even 3Ghz if we're lucky,but there's a couple of questions here.

1: Does this leaked Bios recognize the B3 versions of the Opterons?.

2: Does this Bios,once installed,allow to overclock the Chips thru the Bios menu,or will i have to use a windows based overclock program to make it happen?

3:I can live with the registered memory issue if that will never change,but since i have yet to buy the memory,is there any particular brand that can actually overclock at least half decently,to say at least 750 Mhz DDR 2 speeds,since the overclock on the CPU's will be pretty mild anyhow,as it doesn't take much in terms of FSB increases to get another 200~300 Mhz on the cores anyhow,when the chips are already running at 2.5 Ghz.

s7e9h3n

03-21-2008, 11:40 AM

Been away for awhile, but just wondering if anybody's been running these yet? Got another pair awaiting a 4-way board :p: My L1N64 lost a DDR channel and I need to get a replacement board now :rolleyes:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3830/8356ki9.jpg

msimax

03-21-2008, 11:45 AM

will the 8 series work like 2 series in the l1n64

s7e9h3n

03-21-2008, 12:06 PM

will the 8 series work like 2 series in the l1n64

Yep...shouldn't be a problem ;)

Shadow0001

03-23-2008, 07:39 AM

Yep...shouldn't be a problem ;)

Those will be a lot more expensive though....Won't they?

Anyhow,i'm still running my L1N64-WS for a few more months,and patiently waiting any possible upgrade path,but i had this need to test out a triple crossfire setup,and if a Phenom 9850 is at a decent price and overclocks to at least 3Ghz,running with a nice cheap 790FX board wich are going for about 200$ so that makes them 80$ cheaper than X38 boards for intel,i might not resist the urge.

I saw a price listing for the Q9450 at my local shop and they're going for 375$,so add another 80$ for the price difference and it's almost a 200$ price difference between the Phenom 9850 + 790FX board versus an Q9450 + X38 board...

Obviously,i'd only be considering this since Nvidia,in all it's wisdom,keeps SLI locked down and won't allow crossfire to work on SLI,even though there's no technical differences between the 2,As HP offers the black bird 002 systems that have crossfire working with an SLI chipset as a possible option.

LIKMARK

04-23-2008, 05:24 AM

Anyone actually running this board with Quad opties?

yankeex86x

05-21-2008, 01:33 PM

Hi guys!
you made a great job.... :up:
You gave me some hope to make ad octal processor on this board!! :clap:
I've to ask only one thing....
I own an L1N64-SLI with 2 FX-74, and i discovered that the bios given from tictac is the WS/B bios (0.401).
If I download the WS/B bios (0.501) and i put it into my board, may i be able to run the optyes? (with reg ram)
However, yesterday i opened both WS (0.505) and WS/B (0.501) bioses, and i discovered that theres almost no difference between them, the only exception is for cpu microcode, where the WS/B has the FX microcode plus Optys. :confused:
I would be happy if someone of you will answer to me, because i don't want to risk changing my bios chip...
thanks in advance.... and forgive me for my poor english....

Oldguy932

05-21-2008, 08:55 PM

Can't use regular ram with the barcelonas, you need registered I'm pretty sure. If you don't I'd like to know.

yankeex86x

05-22-2008, 09:33 AM

Oldguy932

05-22-2008, 09:54 AM

I never even noticed that, I actually didn't know there was a new revision of the board till like a week ago. If your board comes up as the WS/B with the bios from tic tac, I would think its safe to flash. Also I would only get one opteron at first just because if it doesn't work you don't want to waste too much money.

LIKMARK

05-22-2008, 11:03 AM

Thank you for your reply OldGuy932,
but the main problem wasn't it (I alredy know that I'll need Reg Ram with parity) thanks however.... ;)
I know that the "old" barcelona bios available was v 0.401, released by tictac (thank you very much!!) .
As I know ASUS released the new version, 0.501.
From what I remember about the WS timeline, the overclock capability (FSB adjustments) were much improved using the lastest v 0.505 bios.
So, if I want to buy the Opty 2350 (2GHz) and overclock them to 2.5 GHz :rolleyes: (FSB 250MHz) I've to take the lastest bios with better overclocking capabilities....
I imagine that asus modified the lastest WS bios (0.505) and added support for 3rd gen Optys, and renamed it as 0.501....
my question is:
May I use the v 0.401 bios, or can I use the 0.501 too ? :)
there also something strange in s7e9h3n post (1st post):
CPUz shows the mobo as L1N64-SLI WS/B, which has Opteron support natively... :confused: why?
wasn't it an L1N64-SLI WS?:shrug:

L1N64WS/B is basically a L1N64WS with Opteron supportive BIOS. That's why s7e9h3n's board shows as /B rev in Cpu-Z. I have heard that the new revision also have split power plane feature, but have not been able to clarify this further.

The Opteron 2346, 2347, 2350 and 2352 is all BA revision that probably won't overclock much. For a B3 revision Opteron you'll need a 2354 or 2356 today, and they're expensive, yet. They'll probably become cheaper as Shanghai gets released in a couple of months.

I'm getting a L1N64WS/B and one Opteron 2347 tomorrow BTW! Been waiting for weeks now (sure feels like that at least) :)

yankeex86x

05-22-2008, 01:07 PM

Hi LIKMARK!
thank both you and Oldman932 your infos!
I've to disagree with some points (LIKMARK)... ;)
New Optys 2350 are B3 step, and you can identify that by checking the "GH" at the end of the part code....
The L1N64-SLI WS/B hasn't the DDPM (from asus website) because it's a "simple" Socket F motherboard (not F+)....
do you think that B3 Opteron will be overclockable?
thanks again!

LIKMARK

05-22-2008, 02:05 PM

Hi!

I also thought all flavours of Opteron would be coming in new B3 revision, but according to AMD homepage, only 2354/56 is B3's as of now (AMD homepage might be out of date of course, I hope that is the situation really)

As I said, I had heard that the /B rev of the board has DDPM, however I find that unlikly. I have also heard people getting WS boards with a /B sticker of paper plastered at the end of the L1N64WS, wich make me think it is the exact same board, with a new bios :yepp:

s7e9h3n's WS board showing up as a rev /B board supports this theory too IMO ;)

I believe the B3's will overclock at least as good as the Phenom B3's. (Hopefully even better due to lower TDP)

According to msimax who have the WS board and Athlon FX's (I'm sure you have noticed his thread here) the boards ain't too happy with HT overclocking, (and K10 ain't either) therefore a multiplier above 10 would be nice for some decent overclock. That would mean a 2354. They'll probably drop in price pretty soon. (I'm hoping)

Have you been able to overclock your FX's?

msimax

05-22-2008, 03:53 PM

Oldguy932

05-22-2008, 04:06 PM

I won't be joining in the fun for a few weeks sadly. I'll probably get whatever the highest binned I can find is. The 2360's are 2.5ghz 105W TDP parts, and I don't mind the extra heat since I plan on learning about watercooling with the system, but if I chicken out I'll at least get some TRUE's with some 1900rpm scythe slipstreams.

Err...maybe not...$1200 per cpu doesn't sound good when I plan on upgrading to shanghais when they come out...

LIKMARK

05-23-2008, 04:48 AM

Seems I were right about the rebranding at least :)
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8296/img2104ch1.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2104ch1.jpg)

Bios chip is not soldered :)
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9597/img2105zf2.th.jpg (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2105zf2.jpg)

Opteron 2347 batch CAAUB AA 0734MPM
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8130/img2110kq7.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2110kq7.jpg)

Now I need some registered ram...

Edit: Picture of the board added:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1509/img2112dt4.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2112dt4.jpg)

Oldguy932

05-23-2008, 08:26 AM

You got my hopes up only to crush them by saying you don't have memory yet... Can't wait till you do though.

LIKMARK

05-23-2008, 09:09 AM

I know I know :slapass:

How do you think I feel sitting her like an arse without ram :shocked: :p:

Money talks, and they're whispering REALLY low atm...:down: Only got one cpu too yet, but I'll make it up to you. Promise.:yepp:

yankeex86x

05-23-2008, 10:55 AM

Hi guys!
The best is to see that the situation is getting better ;)
Having seen LIXMARK's pictures... ASUS made a very bad job...
they only changed the bios to support barcelonas and the name to increase the price...
However I own the FX-74 and I overclocked them to 3240MHz (15x215) but usually i keep them to 14 (215x14= ~3000) in order to have the maximum memory speed... (at 15 the memories runs at 750MHz... i don't know why :confused: )
I have the motherboard with the soketed bios.... (that is different from your's as i look....)
this is an image:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1498/bioschipnw6.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bioschipnw6.jpg)

finally I decided to go with 2350 because my official seller said that AMD replaced every processor in order to keep the "old" problem like a ghost...
plus I have some friends that will go to america this summer, and i may buy the optys at cheap prices (1€ = 1.6$ woow!!) and getting 2 optys with less than 350€ :shocked: .....
I found a reason about the changed name of the motherboard:
Opteron motherboards are targeted for a buisness partnership, where moneys are the real end... so these motherboards have to be priced up....
ASUS can't officially add support for optys for partnership laws.... that's all.... :shakes:

thanks.... for the replies.... :up:

yankeex86x

05-23-2008, 11:02 AM

LIXMARK...
you got a BA step Opteron.... ;)

2347 BA stepping:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Third%20Generation%20Opteron%202347%20-%20OS2347WAL4BGE%20(OS2347WAL4BGEWOF).html

"Notes on AMD OS2347WAL4BGE
OS2347WAL4BGE is an OEM/tray processor
OS2347WAL4BGEWOF is a boxed processor
Stepping BA"

2350 B3 stepping
http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3806996&Sku=CP2-OPT-2350&SRCCODE=PGCMPUSA&CMP=OTC-PRICEGRABBER

"Architecture: 65 nm
Wattage: 75W
Stepping: B3 "

(these links are not intended for commercial purposes...)

Let me know how it works!! (and overclocks!!!) :up:

aGeoM

05-23-2008, 11:14 AM

LIKMARK's BIOS is soldered.:yepp: :(

LIKMARK

05-26-2008, 02:44 AM

Sorry for the late reply guys, lost my post twice, and got fed up trying to write it again :shakes:

LIXMARK...
you got a BA step Opteron.... ;)

2347 BA stepping:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Third%20Generation%20Opteron%202347%20-%20OS2347WAL4BGE%20(OS2347WAL4BGEWOF).html

"Notes on AMD OS2347WAL4BGE
OS2347WAL4BGE is an OEM/tray processor
OS2347WAL4BGEWOF is a boxed processor
Stepping BA"

2350 B3 stepping
http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3806996&Sku=CP2-OPT-2350&SRCCODE=PGCMPUSA&CMP=OTC-PRICEGRABBER

"Architecture: 65 nm
Wattage: 75W
Stepping: B3 "

(these links are not intended for commercial purposes...)

Let me know how it works!! (and overclocks!!!) :up:

I know it's a rev BA. My upgrade path is like this: Either I buy another 2347 rev BA (Hoping for a cheap one off Ebay or something), and upgrade to Shanghai when they comes.
Or I go straight for a 2354 B3, with another 2354 B3 later. Or I'll wait for Shanghai alltogether.

I'll probably end up with alternative 1. (Can't wait for months going octo when I already got the board :rolleyes:)

Just to be sure: You got the WS board with blue pci-e slots? Wonder why the difference, an did they change anything else when rebranding them? I think I'll have to send an email to the legendary Asus support.

LIKMARK's BIOS is soldered.:yepp: :(

Yes you are right. My untrained eyes wanted it to be socketed...:rolleyes:

BTW, I have decided on ram, going for the safe one, the "officially verified bladi-bla" Kingston Dualranked 667MHz ECC/REG (http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=&LinkBack=&ktcpartno=KVR667D2D4P5K2/4G)

SocketMan

05-26-2008, 09:20 AM

msimax

05-26-2008, 11:35 AM

Sorry for the late reply guys, lost my post twice, and got fed up trying to write it again :shakes:

I know it's a rev BA. My upgrade path is like this: Either I buy another 2347 rev BA (Hoping for a cheap one off Ebay or something), and upgrade to Shanghai when they comes.
Or I go straight for a 2354 B3, with another 2354 B3 later. Or I'll wait for Shanghai alltogether.

I'll probably end up with alternative 1. (Can't wait for months going octo when I already got the board :rolleyes:)

Just to be sure: You got the WS board with blue pci-e slots? Wonder why the difference, an did they change anything else when rebranding them? I think I'll have to send an email to the legendary Asus support.

Yes you are right. My untrained eyes wanted it to be socketed...:rolleyes:

BTW, I have decided on ram, going for the safe one, the "officially verified bladi-bla" Kingston Dualranked 667MHz ECC/REG (http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/partsinfo.asp?root=&LinkBack=&ktcpartno=KVR667D2D4P5K2/4G)

try to find ddr800 it will help if you if you run into a htt wall
http://www.provantage.com/kingston-kvr800d2s8p5k2-1g~7KINB126.htm

LIKMARK

05-26-2008, 12:24 PM

Guess it's time for people to say goodbyes to their BP6's and dual Celeron's
300a.Hope it works out good Likmark, may the CPU gods send you a miracle;)
Good luck with it:)
EDIT
That list has 3 AM2+ opty's
"supposedly" out in April, where?
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/TYPE-Third%20Generation%20Opteron.html
It's the budapests iirc Probably off to oems or whatever
try to find ddr800 it will help if you if you run into a htt wall
http://www.provantage.com/kingston-kvr800d2s8p5k2-1g~7KINB126.htm
Sorry to say, they are too expensive, I'm going for 2*2gb modules

Edit: And BTW I don't think htt wall is gonna stop my oc first...

yankeex86x

05-26-2008, 12:29 PM

Hi!
After taking a look at my motherboard, and making a comparsion, there are some useless changes:
a) PCI-E slots are blue in my version (WS), but nothing changed in the PCI-E link (x16-x8-x16-x8) as already seen in the WS/B model.
b) these boards share the same type of bios chip (PLCC), the only thing that changes is the removability.
The shared tips of these boards:
a) memory support (800-667-533-400 - WS) (no800 WS/B)
b) "the manual is the same" (some writings are obivusly changed without care) and some times the are some tips about the socket L1FX in the WS/B model!!!:shocked: ; plus the manual obivously show's the WS model instead of the WS/B.
c)these boards share the same IRQ assigments
d) the writings (and types) on various chips are the same.
so, nothing to say... these boards are the same....

yankeex86x

05-26-2008, 12:46 PM

I finally found usefull ram able to overclock the barcelona core.... :D

http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KVR800D2D8P6K2/4G

these are Pc-6400 (DDR2800) reg ram with parity and CL5.... ;)
even if I overclock the 2350 to 2500MHz the memories will run just above their limit (833MHz) so I shouldn't have problems with overclocking ;)
So, lets go up with these optyes.... :up:

LIKMARK

05-26-2008, 11:09 PM

cl6 :)

msimax

05-26-2008, 11:17 PM

cant beat this and its what i am getting
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T800RB1G

http://www.supertalent.com/datasheets/Supertalent_DDR2_REG_Datasheet.pdf

LIKMARK

05-26-2008, 11:49 PM

Lol look at the picture: http://www.ewiz.com/photogallary.php?name=T800RB1G&thisimage_LG=%2Fnewg%2FT%2F8%2F0%2FT800RB1G%2FT800 RB1G_LG.GIF

DDR2 800MHz PC25300??? Probably a typo though

Too bad they don't come in 2gb modules.

BTW: Is it the boards limitations that limits the L1 platform to 8 gigs of ram, or is it the dimms density that does it? If I installed 4*4gb modules, would I still only get 8 gigs of ram?

Edit: Link: http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.kingston.com&ktcpartno=KVR533D2Q8R4K2/8G

yankeex86x

06-03-2008, 10:43 AM

Hi guys!:)
I found some info about the rebrand over L1N64-SLI (no /B) made by asus.

http://it.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fplusd.itmedia.co.jp%2Fpcuser%2F articles%2F0709%2F11%2Fnews097.html&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Traduci
:shocked:

original japanese
http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/pcuser/articles/0709/11/news097.html

Plus you can read: "There is with “/B” in type turn end, but as for hardware constitution being the completely same as L1N64-SLI WS which is shipped until recently" :rofl:

Let's go with the final (and official) 0.501 bios from asus.... and we'll overclock as much as possible!!!
:up::up:

msimax

06-05-2008, 03:26 PM

my board finally came and it has a soldered bios chip:( oh well . now i got to see if it will run my FXs with reg ram till i get my barcys:D

Oldguy932

06-05-2008, 06:18 PM

I think there was a price drop at newegg regarding the 2356's. oem's of the chip are now in the $400 range. The retail one is still in the $600 range, but if you buy them for this board you don't use stock cooling anyway :cool:.

msimax

06-05-2008, 07:53 PM

i noticed that too. but whats up with the $7 difference between the 2354 and 2356 i wish i the $$$ to jump on 2 right now bfore they change the price.

LIKMARK

06-05-2008, 11:47 PM

Got around ordering ram for my setup a few days ago. Ended up with these (http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.valueram.com&ktcpartno=KVR800D2D8P6K2/4G). No e-tailers in Norway have them in stock though, so I'm in for a wait, but then I'll have a little oc headroom at least. Wonder when the 2360 (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_15226,00.html?redir=CP8501) comes into the channels btw

yankeex86x

06-09-2008, 10:10 AM

Hi guys....
:( I'm worried about memory...
The memory that both me and LIXMARK posted ( http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator_new/PartsInfo.asp?root=us&LinkBack=http://www.valueram.com&ktcpartno=KVR800D2D8P6K2/4G ) are dual rank x8 memories.
I'm worried if we can put these modules on our motherboards (WS & WS/B).
As i remember these are 4Gb (2Gb x2) 800MHz DDR2 PC2-6400 CL6 Reg wParity.
If I take a look at the single rank memories, the price rises up.
(the higher price are still better in this case?)
can someone open my eyes?:confused::confused: !

1. are those modules supported by socket F?
2. are dual rank memories better for overclock?
3. what is better to choose (single or dual) ?

thanks so much guys, in two weeks i'll receve the 2350 B3 for my WS, so i'd like to know what memories are compatible to better overclock the processor.....

LIKMARK

06-09-2008, 11:33 PM

I asked some of the same questions on 2cpu forums (http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=91053).

You probablye have seen that the ram linked to is not on the WS/B supported ram list, but identical ram with lower frequency is supported, so I think it's ok. Time will show.

BTW: the e-tailer I used still don't have my ram in stock..........

karbonkid

06-10-2008, 03:01 AM

I may be getting one of these boards fairly soon (seeing what I can get cheapest - ASUS L1N64, ASUS KNF5-D or MSI K9ND). If the original board is the same as the /B, does that mean it is safe to flash the original with the "new" board's BIOS to get quad-core support?

LIKMARK

06-10-2008, 03:51 AM

Yes probably. There is also posted a link to a modded WS bios with quad core support at the start of this thread, I believe it is approximatly the same bios as the WS board is recognized as a WS/B board by cpuz.

karbonkid

06-10-2008, 10:47 AM

Just been reading 2cpu - seems someone has tried it and it doesn't work:
Official dumb question of the day.....

What is the reason the new WS/B boards bios won't just work in the prior board like I have?

It specs out like new B mobo except for the Opty and Ram situation.

I told you it was a dumb question.

Eric

EDIT:

Likmark - I see you have responded to the thread in question. I don't quite see what is going on there - are you recommending to Eric the modded BIOS from earlier in this thread, because ASUS's WS/B BIOS doesn't work, or vice versa?

And, if ASUS's WS/B BIOS won't work in the older board, could it be that DDPW support has, in fact, been added in the newer rev.? Maybe split planes were already there on the PCB but required enabling in firmware???

LIKMARK

06-10-2008, 12:37 PM

Just been reading 2cpu - seems someone has tried it and it doesn't work:

EDIT:

Likmark - I see you have responded to the thread in question. I don't quite see what is going on there - are you recommending to Eric the modded BIOS from earlier in this thread, because ASUS's WS/B BIOS doesn't work, or vice versa?

And, if ASUS's WS/B BIOS won't work in the older board, could it be that DDPW support has, in fact, been added in the newer rev.? Maybe split planes were already there on the PCB but required enabling in firmware???

Hi. Hmm.. I had forgotten answering that thread :) He didn't reply in the thread, so I'm not sure if he had tested flashing to a WS/B bios or not. It sounds as if he has tested it though. The modded bios is known to work with the WS board, the official WS/B bios apparantly dosen't work, so I would test the modded one first if I were you.

As I said earlier (in this thread I think) I have read somewhere "respected" enough to actually remember it that the WS/B board supports DDPW, but I cannot find the article/thread about it again.

I have the WS/B board myself, how about posting a high res pic of the WS board for comparison? (in case of hardware changes)

I have just registered my board at ASUS homepage, so I'll email them about this to get a confirmation about support/not support once and for all. :)

karbonkid

06-10-2008, 12:53 PM

I don't have the board yet, so this one's courtesy of The Google:
http://cfs.tistory.com/attach/6717/1159541768.jpg

EDIT: Another (barrell distortion's a bugger)
http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/backup_unity/products/socket_f/detail/l1n64_sli_ws/gazou/bigphoto.jpg

Thanks for your help :)

msimax

06-10-2008, 12:59 PM

anybody want to go half with me:ROTF:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-QUAD-CORE-OPTERON-SET-of-4-AMD-8360-CPUs_W0QQitemZ280235060689QQihZ018QQcategoryZ56088 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

LIKMARK

06-10-2008, 01:04 PM

WS/B:
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/904/img2103yo4.jpg
I'll see if I can take a better picture.

Edit: DAMN msimax, what a price, how many Skulltrail systems can you get for 7000USD.

Would love to get a couple of the new 2360s though.

Email sent to ASUS BTW

EDIT2: http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1509/img2112dt4.jpg

karbonkid

06-10-2008, 01:11 PM

For reference, then:

On the left is an MSI K9ND Speedster, on the right a Speedster2. The latter supports DDPW. They look the same, right? Not so - see the extra inverter and capacitor by each MOSFET heatsink? Minimal difference. Could be something similar here?
http://global.msi.com.tw/uploads/prod_f3ae6e01e033e6d39df7f0fe08ac9d1c.jpghttp://global.msi.com.tw/uploads/prod_86aef548ec035b0d91d55acf89ea6d37.jpg

anybody want to go half with me:ROTF:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-QUAD-CORE-OPTERON-SET-of-4-AMD-8360-CPUs_W0QQitemZ280235060689QQihZ018QQcategoryZ56088 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:ROTF::rofl:yeah, well there's this guy who emailed me from Nigeria who says he'll give me £5000 if I help him transfer some money or something like that, he can help me pay for it:rofl::ROTF:

LIKMARK

06-10-2008, 01:15 PM

Hmm, there seems to be no such differences on the asus boards, or am I not looking hard enough?

Rammsteiner

06-10-2008, 01:25 PM

MSI added extra caps so they can actually get more blown up:ROTF:.

Nice boards though, stupidly Im interested but meh, probably would be sorry if I would do that... It's tempting but well, they released it and that was about it:(

karbonkid

06-10-2008, 01:25 PM

Haha, this is like Where's Wally (or Waldo if you're American). I see nothing either. *shrug*

I doubt ASUS will be helpful - after all, it's to their advantage to claim the boards are physically different, even if they aren't.

Now I just hope I can get this board for the price I expect (it's on ebay)...

yankeex86x

06-11-2008, 02:58 AM

ok guys,
take a look at the motherboards revision:
both motherboards share the same exact revision 1.01G, no changes have been made to the pcb. these motherboards are the same.
On asus website there's no mention to DDPM in the WS/B model webpage, so the L1N64-SLI WS/B (and WS too) don't support DDPM.

yankeex86x

06-11-2008, 03:04 AM

Next week I'll receve an Opty 2350 and 2x2Gb PC2-6400 reg memories.
I still have to learn how to flash the modified bios into my board (WS) :p:
However i think that the 0.501 bios from asus website is not working due to an incorrect flash.
I think that before using the asus bios you've to flash the older
tic tac bios, after that you can flash the 0.501.:up:

LIKMARK

06-11-2008, 03:20 AM

He did not mention how he had flashed it either. Flash in DOS with AWDflash and make sure to use all the right prefixes when flashing:)

yankeex86x

06-11-2008, 03:25 AM

this is the first (and last) asus motherboard with DDPM support and native quad core support:
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=9&l2=39&l3=174&l4=0&model=1858&modelmenu=1

If the DDPM is present, asus website will show the feature.
the motherboards (WS & WS/B) are exactly the same (exept for the bios chip).
If the official bios is not working, maybe someone at asus choosed to lock some registers to let the bios work only on the WS/B model.... but it's hard to do (i think)

perkam

06-11-2008, 03:36 AM

I hope all these boards are 45nm capable...I don't even want to know how much $$$$ you guys are putting down on these things :eek:

Perkam

yankeex86x

06-11-2008, 03:48 AM

these boards won't be 45nm capable, them will be only if the 45nm will be soket F.
Otherwise I'm not interested in 45nm, because i upgrade now from 90 to 65 nm and i stop here. I've just spent too much on this system and i'll wait for cheap prices for others 4Gb ram and 2350 later.
this system will last about 6 years because it will have 8 cores that will be enough for some time :)

LIKMARK

06-11-2008, 04:57 AM

According to earlier roadmaps socket F+ cpus will be socket F compatible, it may have changed since then though.

@ Perkam: I hope so too :p: My wife does not know how much $$$ I've spent on this setup... (And hopefully won't ever know, or else ::slapass::slash::cord::fact: :sofa:)

karbonkid

06-11-2008, 05:16 AM

I think that before using the asus bios you've to flash the older tic tac bios, after that you can flash the 0.501.:up:
That's probably the most plausible explanation.

@Perkam - I'm (hopefully) getting the board 2nd hand very cheap, and the whole point of this is to allow me upgrade flexibility: I can get one dual-core now, another dual-core when the university term starts and I need more power for rendering, and then gradually upgrade to single then dual Barcelona when the introduction of new CPUs has dropped the price of the older ones significantly. I'm tend not to go for bleeding-edge mid-range hardware, but slightly older high-end stuff :)

msimax

06-14-2008, 12:03 PM

phase 2 i ordered 2 opty 8224 3.2ghz of amd finest sillycone

Processor
Second-Generation AMD Opteron™
Model
8224 SE
OPN PIB
OSY8224GAA6CY
Revision
F3
Core Count
2
Core Speed (MHz)
3200
System Bus Speed (MHz)
1000
Voltages
1.325 V/1.350 V/1.375 V/1.400 V
Max Temps (C)
55° C to 69° C
Wattage
119 W
L2 Cache Size (KB)
1024
L2 Cache Speed (MHz)
3200
L3 Cache Size (KB)

CMOS
90nm SOI
Integrated Memory Controller Speed (MHz)
3200
Socket
Socket F (1207)

i have high hopes to get good clocks with these so i can attack 3dmark06:D

phase 3 will be to get some sever mem

phase 4 will be 3 9800gtx or 2 9800gx2 :shrug:

Sadhiq

06-15-2008, 08:46 AM

Well, that's going to be a nice system ! :up:

LIKMARK

06-15-2008, 10:50 AM

Why the 8224 and not the 2224? You got a nice deal I presume? Would be nice at 3,6GHz+ :) You going for the 800MHz reg/ecc too?

msimax

06-15-2008, 11:17 AM

Why the 8224 and not the 2224? You got a nice deal I presume? Would be nice at 3,6GHz+ :) You going for the 800MHz reg/ecc too?

yeah good deal indeed got 1 for 240 and the other for 260 on ebay there were 8 available pulled from a sever. these chips go for $2000 the lowest i found so each one i won i was jumping out my seat. there are 2 more there ,bidding ends monday i wonder should i get 2 more.

and i need the sever ram to boot up then i am going to flash back to the fx bios so i can use regular ram. then im gonna see if i can score some dice pots cpu my goal is 4.0ghz or bust :D and use my chiller for the gpu since they have a cold bug @ -40c but i see ppl getting 1000 core with 1.4v so im optimistic. then i hope to get some b3 optys and pray for the best:rofl:

LIKMARK

06-15-2008, 11:11 PM

Damn. Nice plans :D

You have done vcore mod to your board? (or maybe that was Kyosen)

msimax

06-15-2008, 11:13 PM

nah it goes to 1.7 if you trick it

yankeex86x

06-16-2008, 10:31 AM

Hi guys!
In these days I'm selling out my "old" FXs and at the end of this week i'll receve reg ram (DDR2-800) and 2350 opty...
I'm planning to flash the barcelona bios before selling the FXs and simply place the new processor when it arrives....
Is it correct or not? :confused:
Do I have to use some old opty to place the new ones on my board, or simply place them (the new ones after flashing)? :confused:
thanks guys....

for msimax
I don't think that you'll be able to overclock so much, the main difference between the 8XXX and 2XXX is inside the HT Links, but the main fabrication tecnology is the same (90nm), and will make overclocking really hard.
Take a look at an old AMD quadFX processor that we've never seen:
http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/408/AMD_Athlon_64_FX-76.html
this is the 90nm max frequency never sold....
However I hope me to be wrong... :up:

LIKMARK

06-16-2008, 02:18 PM

Yes, you'll have to flash with your FX's so that you can drop in the quads when they arrive. They won't boot with FX bios.

Msimax is using a waterchiller, probably will be able to overclock them to about 3,6GHz benchable (maybe even 3,7GHz) is my guess.

msimax

06-18-2008, 06:26 PM

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6653/ffsl7.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6653/ffsl7.7bab85a207.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=357&i=ffsl7.png)

my cpus came today ,cant flash fx bios in windows, im using normal ram probable due to using a k8 server chip, no mem timings in bios server bios has option for 1066, it came with bios 0401 but im afraid to 0501 for fear of losing my ability to boot with my ram for now

and im using ntune to up clock in windows

using stock cooling and volts for now

msimax

06-18-2008, 06:28 PM

both chips are acbcf 0716 tpmw
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6034/ffkg6.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6034/ffkg6.5cb2032254.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=185&i=ffkg6.png)

msimax

06-18-2008, 08:47 PM

i have been trying to edit the bios model info with no success yet does anyone know how to edit the model name of the bios??

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1644/tynz7.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1644/tynz7.42368bec9e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=507&i=tynz7.png)

Super Nade

06-18-2008, 08:49 PM

Never use the Windows BIOS flash program for ASUS. It is utter crap.

LIKMARK

06-18-2008, 11:12 PM

Looks like you'll need to force it in dos

Edit:
Looking nice BTW. Waiting for some nice clocks. Tell us how high clocks you get on air before moving on to the cold stuff.

Do you need new bios and reg/ecc ram for K8 opterons?

yankeex86x

06-19-2008, 02:39 AM

Hi guys...
Do i'll have any problems about the processor stepping?
I read on asus support site that the ws/B model will support Barcelona B1 (all) & B2 (2354) since bios 0.401** :eek: , but there was no mention about the B3 stepping processors.
I'm wondering if my mobo will recognise the new stepped optys...

**: I think that here there is someone that has full access to asus develop team....
asus website mentioned the 0.401 bios that have never been officially released... (xtremesystems users officially released it :rofl:)
I suppose that the 0.401 isn't an hacked bios, it's simply a pre-release bios for the WS/B motherboard to give barcelona support.
Maybe neither asus was able to give barcelona socketF support without reg ddr, so they dropped the idea (risky idea for noobs) to show a barcelona bios which will request to change not only the processors.. and "made" (rebrand) the WS as WS/B motherboard, in order to not to have problems....
So guys, check yourself if i'm right or wrong... this is the link where asus mention the 0.401 bios.... the one that someone (i'll say again: thanks alot) posted....
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=L1N64-SLI%20WS/B

....i'm still worried about cpu stepping.... will b3 run on my mobo??? :(

PS: congratulations for you system MSIMAX!!!! I hope you'll clock high and high....

LIKMARK

06-19-2008, 03:24 AM

Well, both s7e9h3n and Dave Graham seems to have quite good connections (understament intended), so it's no suprise if one of them (or someone else) got it from Asus engineers/bios writers.

@revision question: Only one way to find out :)

I've asked Asus support a few questions, but I'm only getting half assed answers from them. lol (I'll post them when they are done answering me)

yankeex86x

06-19-2008, 08:22 AM

Hi..
I just receved the 2350 B3 opteron, and next week i'll receve registered ram.
I tried to boot the motherboard with old non reg memories, but i wasn't lucky...
Lixmark, did you tried to boot the mobo without the memory dimms?
If no dimms are detected the motherboard should alert with some beeps...... but this time my mobo don't tell me anything.....:(
maybe i've not to be worried and happily wait for the reg rams.....:(
still waiting..... :shrug:

yankeex86x

06-20-2008, 08:36 AM

@ LixMark
How do I overclock the opteron (when ram arrives)?
I mean, will we only have to increase the FSB (and adjust HTT, RAM ratio, Vcore.. etc), or do we have to modify some resisters in the mcp?
From what I've seen s7e9h3n overclocked the BA opteron by changing some motherboard registers, and i'm not capable of... How do will we proceed? any idea?

LIKMARK

06-20-2008, 11:07 AM

You probably need to use ntune as I don't think there is much overclocking options in bios, though I'm not sure. I have not seen the bios myself.
You might have to change nb-fid (multiplier) with msr editors, if your opteron clocks well, but it is not as hard as it seem :) I know earlier versions of _AOD works with nforce, but you'll have to test

wascrash

06-22-2008, 12:22 AM

Howdy. New here. Been waiting to see if anyone gets the new Quad Opterons going on our boards as thats the main reason i got this board to have a kickass folding rig. Ive had it running well over a year With the 2210HE's @ 2500 ghz. Folding the whole time and its never had a problem. Even with the heat the board chipset puts off. ( I do have a fan mounted on the main heatsink) Looking forward to see how the new quads work... Hope it works out.

msimax

06-22-2008, 11:09 AM

little update my board is rma p.s. dont flash bios @ 3in da morning:ROTF:

before died i updated to the 0501 bios from the website thats not the cause of death btw. but it had mem div for 1066 and also nothing with stick oc wise only multis i dont know if because the cpu im using or what, you guys gotta check and see if they work with barcys.

i flashed 4x4 bios using afudos but it was the wrong file so:down: while im waiting on my rma ima pick up another one , and been doing some research and going to see if i can get some ecs tophats that should work as i have spare 4x4 bios laying around then it will be much safer playing with bios:yepp:

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/2090/2090721ee7365124c4e1a778b322aa37079469c.png

msimax

06-22-2008, 03:29 PM

one other thing these chips were stable for 3 hrs @3.450 stock volt and cooling so i have high hopes about what they can do with a little cold:hrhr:

yankeex86x

06-23-2008, 06:09 AM

@msimax
Did you have problems with the barcelona bios or no?
I mean did you flash the WS/B bios over WS board and it not worked?
Or had a bad flash?:confused:

msimax

06-23-2008, 11:12 AM

i had a bad flash
this is what i need
if i can find or buy one ill cancel my rma does some have one???

80955
80954

msimax

06-23-2008, 11:21 AM

anyone has there systems up yet??

yankeex86x

06-23-2008, 12:14 PM

@msimax
If you have a socketed bios you may send your bios chip to a reflashing company which will reflash back your one.
If you have a socketed bios.... mmm boh....
You may look for an old motherboard with the same bios chip pin count, detach it and use for parallel connection of the bioses.......
The options you showed before used the same solution by connecting an external bios socket pin-to-pin with the bad-flashed chip, than using it to boot and recover the old flash.
However, about quad core, i've an 2350 B3, and my rams should arrive tomorrow or wednesday, so I'll have some news in 2 days.....
the only thing which scares me is stepping... as i've already mentioned the L1N64 WS/B has support for barcelona B1&B2 stepping, but there are no info about B3 stepping :(
Good work with overclock... maybe some well cooled FXs will clock to 3.6GHz.....
:up:

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 10:25 AM

Good news guys...
The system booted up succesfully with 2x2Gb reg Ram DDR2-800 and an Opteron 2350 B3....
Now the problems growed up....
None of the systems already installed i able to boot up, (VistaX64, XP x64) and I think that the error is the ACPI table allocation...... maybe the non mature Bios...:(
Now i'll try to flash the official WS/B bios (0.501) downloaded from asus website....
PS: In bios post messages the mobo is recognized as an L1N64-SLI WS/B :up:
plus i was able to boot with PCLinuxOS 2007 and i discovered a strange detail:
the processor stepping reported in bios screen is indicated as B2, but when i check the bios revision via harddrake tool (Linux) it says revision B3... blah...
I'll flash the 0.501 bios... crossed fingers!!!

msimax

06-24-2008, 11:13 AM

you need a clean install or try to uninstall prev. chipset drivers

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 12:31 PM

I just flashed the 0.501 official WS/B bios and my motherboard booted correctly...
Now I'm sure that WS and WS/B are exact the same board....
Clearly good that memories runs at 800MHz (reg DDR2).
For Now i'm still not able to boot any OS except Linux,
I'm trying a clean install of Vista x64....
The error which blocks me at OS boot is:
blue screen with Machine_exception_debug
I noted that while loading XP64 the loading sequence locks up on the ACPItable module loading.... mmm :confused:
Clean install on the way...
Problem solved.... DDR2 memory divider st to 333...
everything going right.... clean install on the way :up:

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 01:36 PM

Now the problem is overclocking these chips....
from what i could see there is a lock in the bios which prevents rising up the FSB value.
In the cpu information menu (bios) there is a "able to change freq: no" option which is bad to see.........
However I've enough moneys to buy some other stuff....
What would be better?
a) buying another Opteron 2350
b) buying another 2x2Gb Kit
??? thanks!

msimax

06-24-2008, 01:51 PM

install ntune

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 02:09 PM

WooW!
seems that ntune is fully supported by this motherboard...
I could reach 230FSB........ :up:
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edited....
the main problem is the bios locking....
I would be able to reach 2.5GHz very easy only if i have the way to change the vCore....
Plus I've my northbridge temp at 50 celsius.... I'm fearing to burn my chipset.... any idea about better cooling it without modifyng the mobo?
(overclock continues... when i'll have my PC ok I'll try to post some pict....)

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 02:24 PM

With AMD Overdrive (2.0.9 installed , 2.0.14 Sys file) I'm able to change core frequency separately.....:shocked::shocked:

spicypixel

06-24-2008, 02:30 PM

Interesting, keeping me eye on this as a cheaper alternative to skulltrail but only if people start getting 3.0ghz on the cpus :P

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 02:36 PM

The only thing which keeps me under the 2.3GHz wall is the vCore that i'm not able to change....
The other interesting fact is that Vista changes core frequency independently (based on power request).
My hope is to unlock the bios..... at least to change the vCore in order to reach higher frequencies.... however 2.3Ghz isn't too bad considering that my "old" FX-74 hardly reaches 200MHz overclock.....
Very very good.... outstanding....
Now let's find some tools to hack this locks.... :up:

msimax

06-24-2008, 02:43 PM

till we get a working bios
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=541

nice btw

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 02:45 PM

in about 5/10 minutes i'll post some screens of my computer.....
don't ask me for benchmarks for now because i don't have the time (sorry).
Maybe next week i'll have the time to make other tests.....
for now i'll post some OC results (2.3GHz) and some features picts.....
(looks like that SocketF is capable to change core frequency independently... how is it possible?????? :eek:)

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 02:51 PM

Sorry but i'm not capable of doing hardware mod on motherboards.....
my fear is to make some serious damages to the mobo....
I'll try to find software ways to breach the wall.......
really.... i'm sorry....:(

Tony

06-24-2008, 02:53 PM

Take a look see...should i be buying some ECC Reg dimms for my L1N64 and risking a bios flash?

check the pics and tell me what you think

Processor Third-Generation AMD Opteron™
Model Number 8346 HE
Frequency (MHz) 1800
L2 Cache Size (KB) 512
Socket Socket F (1207)
Stepping BA
Manufacturing Tech (CMOS) 65nm SOI
Wattage (W) 55 W
System Bus (MHz) 1000
Number of Cores 4

Not B3's but worth a try?

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 03:07 PM

Hi
these opterons are B3 stepping and are 8way processors usefull for 4 to 8 socke motherboards.....
It's hard to say if they will work on your motherboard....
but I'm sure 100% that the only difference between the WS and WS/B is the bios.
I updated the WS bios with the haked one on this thread (that have been made by asus!!) than i updated with the WS/B official release bios 0.501 and everything gone right....
I used the crashfree bios recovery tool (ALT+F2) to flash the bios using an usb pen drive and now i have a WS/B mobo with an opteron....
I can't be sure about these opterons because those chips are not mentioned on WS/B support website, only 2344 to 2354 are supported for now.
the only 8way opterons capable are the old 90nm series 82XX...

Tony

06-24-2008, 03:21 PM

board has a socketed bios, all I have to do is look thru the masses of old bios IC's I have for something that will take a flash and hot flash the new bios then. I can't see any reason why the CPU would do any damage to the board if I tried it, and having the old chip flash intact gets me out of a pickle if needed.

Issue is ram, I have none and OCZ do not produce any either, so im on the scrounge for a couple of modules just to test...anyone reading this in the UK feeling generous?

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 03:25 PM

sorry for rams.... i'm in italy and these kind of modules are hard to find out due to their specify use....
here are some screens.....
I overclocked the CPU to 2.3GHz....
before that I tried Overdrive with the stress test over CPU 0 and the system raised only CPU0 multy.... very very good.... I love SocketF!!
PS: all Opterons Chips with the GH suffix at the end of the part number are stepping B3.

msimax

06-24-2008, 03:32 PM

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 03:37 PM

Can anyone explain me how is it possible to change core multys indipendently on socketF motherboards without DDPM? I thought that was a F+/DDPM feature...
But I'm able and i've a "normal" socketF mobo....
PS: in order to overclock i entered the bios and changed all tree HT speeds from 1000 to 800 (HT 5x ---> 4x) in order to keep away the HTT wall. I don't think that thewe will be a lot of difference in normal and gaming use.....

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 03:47 PM

See you tomorrow guys.... now i'm going to sleep... I've to study hard for next week exams... however i'll keep updated this thread as better as i can!
goodnight!

Tony

06-24-2008, 03:47 PM

never mind ???

Something on yer mind? Processors were free, nothing to lose for me if they don't work as long as i test with borrowed ram.

msimax

06-24-2008, 03:53 PM

hey yankeex86x have you registered on asus web site to request a bios up date yet?? and whoever reads these threads we need to get asus to get a updated bios pronto so request one too..

on a side note are you seeing mem timings in the bios i didnt see any? , but i saw the 1066 div would be cool if we had memory to test it.

msimax

06-24-2008, 03:56 PM

???

Something on yer mind? Processors were free, nothing to lose for me if they don't work as long as i test with borrowed ram.

i was gonna say the new boards come soldered but didnt read fully your board was socketed and i guess they did that so you couldn't switch back and forth just by taking out the bios:mad:

yankeex86x

06-24-2008, 04:00 PM

I've also seen the 533 (1066DDR2) divider in bios setting but for now these opterons don't support memory frequencies over 667 (333x2) (and reg ram over 800MHz don't exist) , maybe if new shangai chips will be socketF and support ddr2 800/1066 this mobo will be ready... :up:
This motherboard is very very good.
However i didn't register to asus website because they will release the new bios when they want....:shakes:
If you have a soldered bios you can still connect a small bios socket pin to pin with the soldered one and using it to have funny flashing.