Can´t Get Past 250fsb with IS7 + 2.4C Help!!!

[Netto]

Hy guys, I´m having a little trouble with my new setup. The highest i Could Bench is 250mhz, I cant even get into Windows with 255+, even relaxing the ram timings, and changing it to 3:2 divider

My System:
P4 2.4C HT
IS7
2x256 HyperX PC3500

My settings right now are

FSB 250
Mem: 5:4 at 2.8v 5-2-2-2 (Street Racer)
CPU@3ghz

I would really Like to hit around 3.2ghz with this cpu, but no matter what i cant boot into windows

Here are some screens

http://www.euclides0510.kit.net/mem.jpg

What is wrong?: My mobo doesn´t like more than 250?: Or its my CPU thats holding me back

Plz Help

Sorry about my English

[Major]

Check this thread out for you game optimization settings:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15393

I think the IS7 should have the same settings in bios ??

Game Accelerator: Auto
Refresh Cycle Time: Normal
Read Delay: Auto
Read Delay Adjust: Disabled
Command per Clock: Disabled

What is your Vcore at ??

Also you might want to try 2-3-2-5 setting on your memory, I don't know about the Hyper X but the XMS like that setting

3 - being Cas to Ras

[Netto]

Tks major, Ill give that a try

[Netto]

It looks like its the processor thats holding me back, I can boot with 290fsb, but i Cant bench up tp 260+, looks like I´ve got a Crappy 2.4c

3.1gigs @ 1.575v

[Major]

what kind of cooling ??

Up the vcore ! take it up in .025 increments. It probably wont take more than 1.6v to get you to 3.3 or 3.4g

[Netto]

I Wish that would work Major

It just doesnt, I Already Need 1.575 to get it to 3 gigs,

My cooling system is SLK900U + Tornado

I Could Boot with 3.24 gigs @ 1.7v but cant bench 3d

[Metro]

Netto:
I dont have a SLK900U but a have read that this cooler is dificult to put correctly. Is possible that the cooler is not making very good contact with the CPU? Remove the cooler and see if he was making good contact with the cpu. Put AS3 or ceramique, i like the last one, and mount it again.
Good luck. :toast:

[Netto]

Ill give that a try, because in stock my CPU is running Idle 45 degrees that with the tornado fan in full blast

[Metro]

Originally posted by Netto
Ill give that a try, because in stock my CPU is running Idle 45 degrees that with the tornado fan in full blast

If this temps are real I thing it can be a great possibility.
The artic silver site have a very detailed instructions page. Maybe you wont give it a look. http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique_instructions.htm
Let us now if you got any improve.

[Johnny Knoxvill]

Originally posted by Netto
Ill give that a try, because in stock my CPU is running Idle 45 degrees that with the tornado fan in full blast

something is wrong there (unless the IS7 is reading the temperature 10C too high which is usually the case with it)

[Netto]

I have a hardcano, and the temp sensor is attached to the SLK Heatsink, it reads exactly 10 degrees less than the mobo, Can i consider this as the CPU real temp?
Remind that the sensor is attached to the Heatsink, right beside the area that makes contact with de CPU

[Netto]

Just ordered a Malay 2.4, pack date is from June, the guy couldnt tell me the week

But I think it should be just fine

[Metro]

Originally posted by Netto
Just ordered a Malay 2.4, pack date is from June, the guy couldnt tell me the week

But I think it should be just fine

I have seen very good results whit the Costa Rica 2,4.
Have you remove the Cooler and put it again or not.

[Johnny Knoxvill]

There is no distinctive difference between the costa rica's and the malaysia chips, it's all a myth

quote:

There's been a lot of discussion about which Northwoods are better... Ones "made in Costa Rica", or the ones "made in Malaysia." The problem is, no Northwoods are manufactured overseas. All are made in the USA, with the vast majority coming from Fab20 in Hillsboro, OR. They are packaged (in the Socket 478) overseas, but that has no effect on the overclockability.

Normally, these discussions don't raise an eyebrow from me... But lately I've seen resellers charging more for "made in Malay" chips. And in my opinion, this is a ripoff. I just don't want to see people get taken.

Wingznut
.13µ Lithography Technician
Intel Corp.

here's more:

Just to clear something up, the markings on the back of the CPU refer to the packaging site - not the manufacturing site of the actual silicon chip itself. Intel has no fabs in either Malaysia or Costa Rica, they are packaging facilities. The silicon die/chips are manufactured elsewhere in the world and are shipped to either of these two packaging sites. In addition, Intel manufacturing has a goal of running a "virtual fab" - meaning that, among other things, products from one fab are statistically indistinguishable from those manufactured at another fab. So even if, for example using fake names, Malaysian packages used chips only from fab #1 and packages marked Costa Rica use chips from fab #2, there should be no difference statistically between these two.

The silicon is what defines the speed of a CPU, not the package. And the silicon comes from multiple fabs scattered all over the place that are all supposed to be identical anyway.

Patrick Mahoney
Microprocessor Design Engineer
Intel Corp.

[Major]

Good info Johnny !!!! :toast:

I think you should start a thread to discuss this and break the myth !

[jinu117]

2 costa rica for me were duds (2.8-3.0)
2 malay was much better (3.2-3.4)
I am getting one more in mail tomorrow... lets see if the trend stacks up.
It might not be sure bet as nothing in OC is... but there might be trend as we've seen before. Some batches just having better possiblities for whatever reason it might be,

[Netto]

I didn´t got overcharged, the price was the same for both, since my Costa Rica didn´t overclock very well I went for the malay, tomorrow it will be here in ther morning, then Ill post some results

I took off the SLK, cleaned, put some AS3, and Still hit the wall ate 3.2@1.75v(Can´t bench 3d above 3.1), 1.6v I only got 3.0

Maybe I got a Bad chip, I hope this Malay (even being a Legend) can at least hit 3.3@1.65 or less

Thanks all for the help

[Netto]

Does the IS7 relly read temps 10c above the real temp?: I

[PytonOrm]

Originally posted by Netto
It looks like its the processor thats holding me back, I can boot with 290fsb, but i Cant bench up tp 260+, looks like I´ve got a Crappy 2.4c

3.1gigs @ 1.575v

processor doesn´t limit your oc !!! memorys can be a problem..
or your cooling :( put some 2.8vmem :) and higher vcore
disable Ht in bios...

[Netto]

Originally posted by PytonOrm
processor doesn´t limit your oc !!! memorys can be a problem..
or your cooling :( put some 2.8vmem :) and higher vcore
disable Ht in bios...

The CPU can limit you, I was already at 2.8v, just swapped for a malay chip and Can hit 3.2 with stock vcore now, on the Costa Rica I could only do 3.1@1.75v

[gouda96]

the nb cooler on the ic7/is7 is a pos. switch it out, and i would bet you could get atleast 25 fsb higher.

I would suggest getting the zalman nb heatsink. All you have to do is break off 3 pins in each of the 4 corners, and you can just put that circle bracket back on. They you could stick the same fan back on top, or do what my friends did and get a nicer fan.

svc.com sells the zalman nb heatsink for like $5.

[Netto]

Ok now I´m happy, this is completly 3d Benchable, Got over 14k with a TI4200 Stock C/M clock

Hyper X is holding me back, cant post with 5:4, even with relaxed timings and 2.8v

http://www.euclides0510.kit.net/acpu.jpg

Gonna mess around with it more tomorrow, but thats a good start for a SLK900U + Smart Case Fan II (Couldnt stand the tornado :D)

Any Suggestions for higher mem scores?:

[Netto]

Originally posted by gouda96
the nb cooler on the ic7/is7 is a pos. switch it out, and i would bet you could get atleast 25 fsb higher.

I would suggest getting the zalman nb heatsink. All you have to do is break off 3 pins in each of the 4 corners, and you can just put that circle bracket back on. They you could stick the same fan back on top, or do what my friends did and get a nicer fan.

svc.com sells the zalman nb heatsink for like $5.

Do you have a how to on that mod?:

I live in Brazil its kinda hard to buy directly from the USA, maybe ill try to find one here, but i think the CPU will be topped out soon

[Metro]

Originally posted by PytonOrm
disable Ht in bios...

Is not the first time that I see this advice. Does it improve the overcloking? It allows a bigger OC? The performance is not better with Ht enabled? Can any one help me on that?

Netto: Good results. Muito bom resultado mesmo :toast:

[Trooper_GR]

Is not the first time that I see this advice. Does it improve the overcloking? It allows a bigger OC? The performance is not better with Ht enabled? Can any one help me on that?


I have heard that it does improve OC, but I really believe it is a good plus for intel CPU's and I would not want to miss it in my Windows. They work much better with it.


Originally posted by PytonOrm
processor doesn´t limit your oc !!! memorys can be a problem..
or your cooling put some 2.8vmem and higher vcore
disable Ht in bios...


That is not true. I have tried a Costa Rica CPU and it was not good at all (2.8 @ 3.65 with 1.75!, @ 3.4 with 1.6). I am going for a Malay chip now that I know is better. Also, a lot of people that have bought Philippines CPU's cannot do high o/c's and is not a rumour...

[PytonOrm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gouda96
[B]the nb cooler on the ic7/is7 is a pos. switch it out, and i would bet you could get atleast 25 fsb higher.


That should give me 350fsb :slobber: Exactly 4200mhz :)

[Netto]

Originally posted by Metro
Is not the first time that I see this advice. Does it improve the overcloking? It allows a bigger OC? The performance is not better with Ht enabled? Can any one help me on that?

Netto: Good results. Muito bom resultado mesmo :toast:

Very Nice indeed, I think I cant go much higher on air anyaway, but I´m already Happy with It

By the way do you speak portuguese :D

:toast:

[bito]

Try putting some heatsinks on the mosfets and apply some active cooling to them.......i had a troublesome 2.4C, which would not run 3.2ghz ;) with a Vantec Aerocool....i swapped out the cooler for the Zalman 7000ALCU. Temps for the cpu were identical, but the PWM temp. dropped by 10c and the system was now Prime95 stable due to the extra airflow around that area.
Try it, it certainly can't hurt.

[gouda96]

Originally posted by PytonOrm

That should give me 350fsb :slobber: Exactly 4200mhz :) [/B]

Lol, that would be sweet, go for it...I am sure it would work :D.

The mod is the easiest thing in the world. Just break off 3 fins in each forner, so instead of it being shaped like a square it is shaped more like a cricle. Just use a pair of needle nose plyers, it will take 1 minute. Then just put on some as3 and stick it on the nb and place that circular stock nb cooler clip over the zalman and clip it in. You can then take the stock nb fan and put it on the zalman. I was told you can just press the fan on and it will stay, but I would suggest using some super glue, and upgrading the fan in the first place.

There is an actual "guide" to this in these forums you can search for it if you want, but it will just say the same thing I just said, which is pretty straight forward.

hope this helps, good luck with your oc!!!

oh, btw I just ordered an ic7-g an an nf7-s rev2(just coincidence, I have no personal reason for going abit...they are just the realy good right now) and I ordered the zalman nb heat sink, and some thermaltake tiger heatsink. They were both like $4 and I though I would give that tiger thing a try. I will probably end up putting that on the nf7, and the zalman on the abit because of how easy the zalman is to put on.

[Metro]

I thing Johnny Knoxvill have made a very nice statment about the confusion from the Malay and Costa Rica CPU.

Can anyone make a little beat clear the part of disabling HT?

Gouda96: I have not undestand your explanation about the mod. Have you done it. If so can you put a picture. That would help.

Netto: I can speak portuguese? I'm portuguese :banana:

[jinu117]

Originally posted by jinu117
2 costa rica for me were duds (2.8-3.0)
2 malay was much better (3.2-3.4)
I am getting one more in mail tomorrow... lets see if the trend stacks up.
It might not be sure bet as nothing in OC is... but there might be trend as we've seen before. Some batches just having better possiblities for whatever reason it might be,

Got it... tested it and returning it tomorrow for RMA. (Ouchy 15% but expected)
Costa rica week18. Default v-core @ 256FSB. (3.07Ghz) 1.65 @ 266FSB (3.19Ghz). It isn't bad but nothing spectacular.
I think I will give it a shot with 2.6c since what I would like to see is 3.6Ghz or so on air and 5 2.4c proved to be not quite able. (okay current one might be able to with 1.75+ vcore but that is too hot for air).

[gouda96]

here this is what you do...It starts off looking like this:

............
............
............ .'s are not numerically accurate
............


'.' representing fins. You just take a needle nose plyers and pull off 3 fins from each of the 4 corners. This makes a total of 12 fins removed. The finished product would look like this:

xx......xx .'s are not numerically accurate, and differ from above
x..........x
x..........x 'x's symbalize removed pins
xx......xx
A more round shape...It is more round than that, but you get the idea.

Next remove the current pos. It has some goofy circular clip, HANG ON TO THAT. Toss out that pos heatsink, and that weird foam shim thingy. Next Apply some artic siver to the NB. Next put the zalman heatsink onto the NB, then put the circular clip over the zalman heatsink and clip it into place. the circle thing will hold the zalman firmly in place. Then put the original fan, or as I suggest a better fan, ontop of the zalman and apply some superglue to the fan and the fins that it touches to make sure it stays in place.


XXXXX 5.<-----Fan goes ontop with super glue
OOOO 4.<-----Circular clip holds down the zalman
|||||| 3.<-----Zalman heatsink is then placed ontop of nb/as3
^^^^ 2.<-----AS3 is applied
[][][][] 1. <----NB, is at the bottom

I could not find a guide because nobody made one becuase the mod is so damn simple. This is the best I can do, I realy hope this helps.

[Metro]

Thanks gouda96.
First I will put a fan on top of the heatsink that came with the board. I find very dificult to remove the heatsink and I really dont wont to break anithing. I will see if I have any improve in cooling. I have a digitaldoc so I will now if it gets cooler.

[gouda96]

It is realy easy to remove the heatsink. you just squeeze the tabs, it comes right off. The tabs are the 4 things that stick up off of the O. Just look at it, you will see there are just 4 hooks with a little tab going through them. squeeze the tabs and the tabs slide out, then just lift it off.

I am not sure what you meant by your last post, if you meant you were going to put another heatsink ontop of the original that won't help, infact it will realy hurt cooling. I doubt just upgrading the fan will help either.

[Metro]

Originally posted by gouda96

I am not sure what you meant by your last post, if you meant you were going to put another heatsink ontop of the original that won't help, infact it will realy hurt cooling. I doubt just upgrading the fan will help either.

gouda96:
You right about my last post. Only right now I realise wath i said. What I wont to say is that I will put a little fan on top of the heatsink that comes on top of the nortbridge. The heatsink that I find very dificult to remove is the heatsink of the nortbridge. I have a digitaldoc and the higher temp that I have in my sistem is the northbrige. So maybe I will see some improvement. I'm very satisfied with the temps of the cpu with artic cooler ceramique and the zalman. And last but not least I wont the quietness that I have.
I continue struggling with my bad english. :mad:

[Spawn]

i did the zalman mod on my ic7g and have to say its very very easy....gouda did a damm fine job on explaining on how to do the mod...at mo my system below is at stock and have to say the zalman nb cooler gets extremely hot...:eek: so i guess its doing its job but i might just stick the abit fan back on top of it...:)

[Metro]

Originally posted by Spawn
i did the zalman mod on my ic7g and have to say its very very easy....gouda did a damm fine job on explaining on how to do the mod...at mo my system below is at stock and have to say the zalman nb cooler gets extremely hot...:eek: so i guess its doing its job but i might just stick the abit fan back on top of it...:)

pics. pics. pics. please

[gouda96]

Originally posted by Spawn
i did the zalman mod on my ic7g and have to say its very very easy....gouda did a damm fine job on explaining on how to do the mod...at mo my system below is at stock and have to say the zalman nb cooler gets extremely hot...:eek: so i guess its doing its job but i might just stick the abit fan back on top of it...:)

thank you :D That description came to me in a dream :D

and putting the fan ontop will help a whole lot. I would suggest a better fan, but that will work well. Without any fan you could actually see very little improvement, or it could get worse depending on case airflow/temp.

[Netto]

My Hyperx is Strange, PC3500 no go with 285FSB 5:4, at 2.8V, with relaxed timings, and game acelleration off

What is Wrong here?:

[gouda96]

are you complaining? That is pretty good. although i was able to get geil 3200 gd up to ddr482 with game acceleration on strengthened and 2-6-3-2, but that is pretty damn good

[Netto]

Yeah but I Want more, thing Ill get some PC3700 EL GOLD this week

that should do :D

I Woud Like to run at least 290@2.8v, my Malay 2.4 will run 3.420@1.5v

[gouda96]

Originally posted by Netto
Yeah but I Want more, thing Ill get some PC3700 EL GOLD this week

that should do :D

I Woud Like to run at least 290@2.8v, my Malay 2.4 will run 3.420@1.5v

damn nice chip. some ocz gold would be nice. my $100 geil gd will do just fine. I ordered another set of 2x256 3200 gd, I realy hope it is as good as the first :D

[Netto]

I Can run this Malay up to 3660mhz on air, and I dont like 3:2 on my ram, 5:4 would be awesome :D

[Darius]

Long story short Niko directed me to this thread as I am also having troubles booting past 255fsb with my 2.4c + p4p800 stock heatsink stock volts kingston 3200 .... as someone mentioned could be mosfets or NB I will hgave to check that ... will report no how I go

[Netto]

Yeah proofed, My HyperX PC3500 is Dull, cant get it to more than 225 FSB @2.8v,

Gonna have to get new ram

[Netto]

I cant find this damn zalman heatsink here in Brazil, does the TT Tiger One does the job Also?:

[gouda96]

Originally posted by Netto
I cant find this damn zalman heatsink here in Brazil, does the TT Tiger One does the job Also?:

You know, I wasn't sure so I bought one when I bought my zlaman. I will test it out, but won't have it up and running until atleast this weekend. My intel rig is still a work in progress, but I could throw it together with some stock air cooling and see which nb heatsink is better.

will let you guys know.

oh, just so you don't have to sit there and wait for me, the tiger is about 15% smaller and has a small, but thick fan. I would bet the results will be very similar, so for such a little price, I would say go ahead and buy it. ***Plus the tiger comes with these weird clips that look like they could attach to the nb of the ic7-g without any modding at all.

[Netto]

Just bought one, I think it will be here on monday

[FragMagnet]

I through a Tiger on, and it's a direct replacement. I just used a different mobo header as the leads are long.

[Shreder-X]

Whats up.. i've got an IS7 running with Corsair TWINX3700 512(256x2) with the settings set at the beggining of this post i could not get any higher then with them all on auto at 250fsb. I know its the damn memory.. I saw that FUgger got his two 260fsb 1:1 and asked him but no response anyone else running this Corsair 3700 memory and had any luck?

[bocage]

Yeah proofed, My HyperX PC3500 is Dull, cant get it to more than 225 FSB @2.8v have you tried a vmod?? i was gonna buy some pre tested hyperX3200 that could do 250fsb 1-1 with 2-5-2-2 at 3.25V( vmoded of course) on a asus p4c800 board!! but was too much $$$$ to give!!!:(
the guy who did this started on low fsb with the best timings possible (2-5-2-2) an then got is fsb up with setfsb, this way he kept the timings!!

[gouda96]

Originally posted by Shreder-X
Whats up.. i've got an IS7 running with Corsair TWINX3700 512(256x2) with the settings set at the beggining of this post i could not get any higher then with them all on auto at 250fsb. I know its the damn memory.. I saw that FUgger got his two 260fsb 1:1 and asked him but no response anyone else running this Corsair 3700 memory and had any luck?

um...that is luck. DDR500 with pc3700 which is rated for DDR466. I would not have bought corsair 3700 if you wanted higher than ddr 500. I would have gone with ocz gold, or maybe some pc4000, but I have not read much about it. the a-data pc4000 hit ddr561 stable, and when they come out they are suppose to be between $65 and $75 a stick. I am gonna pick a set up them up and run 1:1 with a pelt cooled 2.4c :D They said their proc held them back, If the mem maxes before the proc I will switch to a 2.6c. They had something insane like 6700 in sisoft mem test at 561.

[Netto]

Tomorrow gonna change things here a little bit, a Vdimm mod on the IS7 and a new HS fan for NB, maybe I can get it up to 3600 Stable on air

[Netto]

Is there any way to use SETFSB with the IS7, I´ve heard you can keep the memory timings this way; Is thtat true?: Never used this Prog before

IF yes, where I can download for a IS7, going to do a Vdimm mod NOW :D

[gouda96]

You guys soldering, or using grabbers for the vdim mod? I am too scared to solder because I will break the mobo. In any event I am gonna have to do vdim on my p4p800dlx(just traded down from my ic7-g for $70 :D) and my nf7-s rev2. I want to put my geil gd to the max with warranty...3.1v

[Netto]

Originally posted by gouda96
You guys soldering, or using grabbers for the vdim mod? I am too scared to solder because I will break the mobo. In any event I am gonna have to do vdim on my p4p800dlx(just traded down from my ic7-g for $70 :D) and my nf7-s rev2. I want to put my geil gd to the max with warranty...3.1v

I´m taking the mobo tomorrow to a guy that works with eletronics, he has a very steady hand, and has Already made mods to me, so it should be fine

you can use the grabbers, but even so you need to remove the 0 OHMs resistor

[Netto]

Ok did the Vdimm Mod succesfully, can bench 3d at 236 2-5-2-2 HyperX PC3500

My question is, I´m using 3.1volts, its that too much for daily camputing?:

I would really like to leave it this way, Im at

285Fsb @ 5:4

P4 is doing 3.420 1.5v, and that makes me happy,