Intel >.<

[Bleam!]

Hello everyone :^D

I am switching from AMD to Intel ...
I am now asking you to help me out (pls. :^x )

I am planning to buy a 3.2C (Cooled by Mach2) and a FX 5900Ultra (Cooled by Vapo XE)

Now my biggest question is, what motherboard?
1. Get myself a P4C800 and Vmod it ?
2. Get myself a Abit IC7G MAX3 as soon as it comes out ?
3. Get myself a EPoX EP-4PCA3+NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE? IS THIS THE NEW EPOX FOR P4 THAT IS COMMING OUT WITH HIGH VDIMM?

Now about memory, If I want to at least clock to 4.4 Ghz, I'll need some high end memory
I was thinking of buying myself the Dual Channel Sets from GeIL3500 ... Good idea?

What Voltmods will be needed if I want 4.4+ Ghz? (On the board + Explain why you would take that board)

Now for the 5900Ultra, what brand is known for good overclocking ? And easy to voltmod?

Greets and thanks to those that are answering my questions

I hear to run the Golden Dragon GeIL3500 at 3.1V to get at least 260FSB 1:1, What board can do this, and if you take a board I should voltmod, tell me why also

Whats a safe voltage for a P4 CPU under a prometeia? and safe voltage for GeIL Golden Dragon ram?
Also could I have links to voltmods for a 5900Ultra?

[starck]

hey Bleam welcome to the dark side :D

i wouldnt trust those rumors saying the new revision of whatever boards will come out with high vdimm, so i'd go for the P4C800-E, easiest to voltmod, and it has the performance you want. to have a 260 1:1 FSB you're pretty much looking at high vdimm, 3.0v or above.
to have 4.4ghz, you need luck instead of anything else.
about the 5900u, again its more depending on your luck, voltmodding would be pretty much the same since most brands are just nvidia reference. macci just posted a voltmod pic here,
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15591&pagenumber=4 (pic) .
safe voltage i would say nothing higher than 1.65v if you're running this machine 24/7, but some people are running theirs at higher but mind you those people are using their cpus for like maybe 3 months and then buy a new one :rolleyes:

good luck with your new rig :)

[Bleam!]

Heh, well I'm not fed up enough to do my own voltmod, so I'll ask a friend who has enough experience with it to do it, just have to tell him what to do :)

I'm planning to use it 24/7 cause I am a gamer and I um , most of the time game? :p

Great reference for voltmod there :)

maybe it would be easyer to attach a rheo to it so I can adjust my voltages? :) (like I did on my nf7s)

Well shoot the tips & answers :)

[Amoeba Assassin]

that comps gonna be insane, I'd get some ocz so you can run 1:1 hopefully at 260.

[Bleam!]

Give me a good reason to buy OCZ over GeIL, and prove :)

[Johnny Knoxvill]

Originally posted by Bleam!
Give me a good reason to buy OCZ over GeIL, and prove :)

less voltage for high overclocks? :cool:

[Bleam!]

Argh good one,

whats the best mem for best performance for best oc ? :) (type of ocz that is)

[Metro]

Bleam:
In terms of memory with the OCZ, Corsair and Kingstom having alredy announced DDR 4000 dont you thing it will be a better option to your superb system?

[Kunaak]

P4C800 is not a very good choice for a Prometeia as the cpu socket is side ways and makes mounting the prometeia onto it very awkward, but it can be done...
it's a good board, I have both a prometeia and p4c, but I don't think I wanna use that combination together, as I'd rather just get a downward socket board that doesn't seem to have the chance at damaging my prometeia.

4.4 ghz is abit of an unrealistic goal, as even with the 3.2's it's a pretty lofty number, and alittle more in the clouds then you may think.

[Bleam!]

Kunaak !

next to the 3.2C i'll be buying a other proc, been thinking of the 2.8C, but then whats a killer proc at this instant?

I don't care if it's hard to put a prom on a P4C800 , but i'll do it, np :D just a few vmods on it and we're flying !

Well My verry minimum is 4.2 Ghz... just fyi

[starck]

Originally posted by Kunaak
P4C800 is not a very good choice for a Prometeia as the cpu socket is side ways and makes mounting the prometeia onto it very awkward, but it can be done...

even the IC7 Max 3 is mounting this way. if you want to mount the prometiea easily, get the MSI Neo, Epox or Albatron. as long as you're mounting the evap head carefully there shouldnt be a problem, also dont mount it while immediately after you turned off the prommy, the tube is just too cold and hard to twist, you will easily damage it.

if your using Mach I, then i wouldnt suggest the Asus, but since you're using it with Mach II, there shouldnt be any booting issues.

your best bet is the 3.2 if you want highest possible clock. i'd go for 2.4 if your buying another chip, go for the highest FSB.

[Krowbar]

That's odd, my prometeia fits perfectly onto the "sideways" aligned CPU sockets and has since I got it. I actually had to twist it around to get it to work on the IT7 and MSI.

[Bleam!]

Going off track here :/

I'm not talking about an easy mounting mobo, but about the BEST performing mobo I can get :/

[charlie]

As far as memory goes...in your case, it almost doesn't matter. If you're lucky and able to pull 270 out of it, thats 4320 mHz. However that's ddr540, probably not much ram TODAY that'll run it. SO, at the 5:4 multi, you're at ddr432.
Almost ANY quality PC3500/PC3700 will run ddr432 at cas2, 5,2,2
Think HyperX, GEIL, Even XMS3500C2.
C

[Bleam!]

Hmm, What about ddr 550? isn't there any? PC4000 that is right?

[Johnny Knoxvill]

Originally posted by Bleam!
Hmm, What about ddr 550? isn't there any? PC4000 that is right?

DDR500 (pc4000) is coming out in the next few weeks, i doubt it could go up to 540mhz though for 270FSB

[NyCUndaGrounD]

Im selling some 3.2ghz cpus on ebay. Just search for 3.2 ghz in the search box.

[twiztdskatr]

ocz gold 3700, ic7 max3 and finally...

9800 256 > 5900u

[Bleam!]

Originally posted by twiztdskatr
ocz gold 3700, ic7 max3 and finally...

9800 256 > 5900u

I got a 9800Pro 128, why would the 256 make a difference? :x

[Alexandrus]

For FSB OCing, 4PCA3+ and ASUS P4C800-E are the best options.
If I had a chaoice, I'd go for the ASUS because of higher VCore and CSA LAN, but the EPoX has higher VDIMM and I pretty much like their boards better. Tough choice there.
RAM, OCZ PC4000 Gold, no doubt.
Video card, if you can wait for the Gainward GFFX5900 Ultra with red PCB, great, if not, get a Radeon 9800 Pro, the current 5900U's are made by Flextronics and I don't like the PCB and OCing potential.

[TechTones]

get the p4p800 with a Prommy like me. The evap head fits perfect since the socket runs up and down and not sideways like on the p4c800.

[Zroc]

Originally posted by charlie
As far as memory goes...in your case, it almost doesn't matter. If you're lucky and able to pull 270 out of it, thats 4320 mHz. However that's ddr540, probably not much ram TODAY that'll run it. SO, at the 5:4 multi, you're at ddr432.
Almost ANY quality PC3500/PC3700 will run ddr432 at cas2, 5,2,2
Think HyperX, GEIL, Even XMS3500C2.
C

Charlie has an excellent point.
You said you want 4400 (a bit optimistic, but hey, I'm all for it), which is 16x275. Not really going to happen at 1:1.

Not that it really matters...the hit from 1:1 to 5:4 is 2% if all the timings are the same, and you'll be able to run much better timings at 5:4 than 1:1 by default.

The 3.2 is basically a really optimal high-overclock multiplier. Truth be told, go for memory that can hit good timings at 5:4...at 260, that's DDR416...270, DDR432. Heck, you really won't even need a memory volt mod. So get Corsair PC3500 for the good timings.

[Bleam!]

getting better and better, I've PM'ed NyCund... (he has same proc+mobo+cooling) and only hits 4.2 with the GeIL GD, and he recommends me PC4000 OCZ to get 4.4 :) So that will be my memory :))

[charlie]

Bleam,
I think you're ignoring what we've been telling you.
Let's assume for a minute you can hit 270fsb (GL) and you have a pair of PC4000. They will run Cas2.5, 4,4,8 or maybe even cas3, 4,4,8 at ddr540 (GL).
This setup will be S-L-O-W-E-R than the same setup with a nice set of PC3500/PC3700 like Corsair XMS3500C2, HyperX3500 or GEIL PC3700 Ultra at cas2, 2,2,5. Like Zroc said...you will gain 2% advantage from running 1:1, but you'll probably LOSE twice that much from the relaxed timings.
You can tell the girls about the big stick, but she'll leave the party with the stick that works ;)
C

[Bleam!]

Maybe I am, but could you tell me how that people hit 300FSB then? with what memory (asume I'm buying a 2.4C...) what do they do to hit that with a 5:4 devider

[charlie]

Bleam,
People hit 300+ mHz on a processor with a lower multiplier.
You see the P4/Northwood core is MAXED out at about 4.4 - 4.5gHz. So, you can go 285 on a 3.0 or 270 on a 3.2...same overclock, basically. The higher multiplier may be worth 100mhz.
Think of it as an AMD xp1800 tbred. This chip is just as fast as AMD's xp3200 tbred. It's all about the limitation of the core. This core can only process data SO fast.
And about the 5gHz LN2 screenshots...all well and good, but you'll never run a benchmark there and your Mach II will never come close to -190C
The 2.4C runs quite nicely at 300-310mHz. This is a memory speed of almost ddr500 at 5:4, dificult to find a stick that'll run this with good timings, so many use the 3:2 divider that drops that way down to ddr400-410 and at that speed you want maximum tight timings. Most good PC3500 sticks will do this well.
By all means, get the 3.2...it'll work well for a nice HIGH mHz OC.
But don't waste your time hoping for 1:1 memory ratios, concentrate on a vdimm vmod and a good set of PC3500/3700.
Here's the MAGIC tip of the day...
Your processor should have a peak FSB which correlates with the maximium speed of your memory. If you have a 2.8C that peaks at 290fsb, then you want to look for memory that peaks at ddr 460 with the tightest possible timings.
Best of luck
C

[Bleam!]

I don't care about 1:1 anymore, all I want is two 4's and 2 0's on my screen when I boot, I want to accomplish it, but I don't know what ram can do it, and what devider would be able to pull that off :)

[Amoeba Assassin]

I think a 3.2 & Mach will almost certainly get your 4 Ghz. You might get 4.2 if your lucky. Tom Holck got 4.3 with his, but he has modded his prometeia. I think he did the r404 upgrade but I'm not totally sure.

[r00t3d]

ehm...

Pretty simple 4PCA3+ and Geil Golden Dragon. (check my sig)
enough said :)

by the way, if the new beta bios gives 1.85v on the core, its a dream board.

[TechTones]

Originally posted by r00t3d
ehm...

Pretty simple 4PCA3+ and Geil Golden Dragon. (check my sig)
enough said :)

by the way, if the new beta bios gives 1.85v on the core, its a dream board.

Root3d,

the question for me is your 2.4@3.9 Prime 95 stable? Or does it run everything but Prime?

[r00t3d]

yes its stable, maybe I should post some piccys.

[r00t3d]

Originally posted by TechTones
Root3d,

the question for me is your 2.4@3.9 Prime 95 stable? Or does it run everything but Prime?

Here is Prime95 after almost 6 Hours @ 3.9GHz

[Kunaak]

r00t3d, thats beautiful ;)

[Alexandrus]

It's all fine and nice, but my 4PCA3+ will simply NOT boot if the HDD is connected to the IDE ports. It works with the SATA ports, with the HTP RAID ports, but with IDE, no go unless I boot Command Prompt Only.
WTF ?

[Metro]

Congratulation r00t3d. Amazing results you got. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ctgilles]

Originally posted by Kunaak
P4C800 is not a very good choice for a Prometeia as the cpu socket is side ways and makes mounting the prometeia onto it very awkward, but it can be done...

Imo, it's quite easy, I just need to watch that it makes good contact at the bottom