Building new gaming computer.. [Archive]

MysLex

09-22-2007, 02:47 PM

Hello XtremeSystem Forums!

First of all would I like to say hello to everyone since im quite new and this post will be my first, and in advance appologize for any spelling mistakes.

Second of, I would like to mention that I've come to this forums in a special mission. I would like as much help as possible building my new computer, It seems that this forum is one of the best out there discussing about extreme quality etc..

Ok, I would like to tell you that im not very experienced with computers but I know basics.
Im 18 years old living in Sweden, I go my third year on upper secondary school, currently reading about computer science. :up:

What im after; Is a computer who will last long in the future,, and still be able to run the new games released in the future,, I would like to point out that this particular question 'may' have been asked before but im gonna try my luck here, see how it goes. :)

More specific, I would like to receive the following answers(if not to much to ask);
Specific names, specs - of particular parts involving the system; and perhaps a webpage that is reliable buying merchendise from..

as this is only a project for now, Any price range is allowed, aslong as we're discussing 'reasonable' prices. :p:

; The computer asked for will be built from scratch, that means Im gonna need Motherboard, Graphics card, RAM memory etc, all of it..

Last I would like to thank you for the time you took reading this and I really hope someone may aid me in this project!

EDIT1::
Oh and; Administrator; If this is posted in the wrong section, Please feel free to move the post to its correct place!

EDIT2::
I would like to share with you that I haven't done anything like this before, I myself have basic experience involving building machines thanks to my interest in computers. On the other hand I have friends who are experienced with computers, just not regarding the 'gaming'part.. :)
Dont let this distract you.
Previously Ive used computers bought by Dell, Extremely high prices and you get alot of crap and alot of problems for the kind of money you spend. My current computer is a Dell Gen 5, its barely 2 years old and doesent even run smooth on Battlefield 2142 Medium Graphics 800x600 *cry*.

Yours sincerely
Alexander

nn_step

09-22-2007, 02:49 PM

two major questions
1) Budget
2) What is absolute most important for the computer (Games, school, etc)

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-22-2007, 02:51 PM

:welcome: Alexander to XS and the Clan Team Xtreme section. :up:

Place holder till I get time to link it. Do you need keyboard - mouse - LCD as well?
And one more is, Are you strict air cooling or more adventurous?

MysLex

09-22-2007, 02:53 PM

two major questions
1) Budget
2) What is absolute most important for the computer (Games, school, etc)

Dear nn_step

1) Budget would be around 5000-6000$ some 100$ here or there doesent matter that much,.,
2) Most important I would say to be; future games;

Sincerely
Alex

MysLex

09-22-2007, 02:54 PM

mysticmerlin;2447766']:welcome: Alexander to XS and the Clan Team Xtreme section. :up:

Place holder till I get time to link it. Do you need keyboard - mouse - LCD as well?

Thank you very much Mysticmerlin :)

Allright fair enough - No, Im not in need of keyboard - mouse - LCD etc, I have all that available at the moment, Feel free to post any recommended LCD etc if you'd like too though, Anythings appriciated :)

Sincerely
Alex

nn_step

09-22-2007, 03:02 PM

Dear nn_step

1) Budget would be around 5000-6000$ some 100$ here or there doesent matter that much,.,
2) Most important I would say to be; future games;

Sincerely
Alex

in that case your plan isn't wise, since $1000 in 24 months will buy about 4 times the performance that it does now. Thus it would be wisest to fit in a $2000 budget now and spend the remaining $4000 over the following years

Given that you are building completely from Scratch, your Top budget Items will be Monitor, Power Supply Unit (NEVER SKIMP ON THIS ITEM), and Graphics Card.

Which means we could allocate about $400 for a 24" monitor, $200 for a PSU, and $500 for a Top of the line Graphics card. (leaving $900 for just: Case, Hard drive, Mobo, Ram, CPU, Audio, I/O and DVD drives)

MysLex

09-22-2007, 03:17 PM

in that case your plan isn't wise, since $1000 in 24 months will buy about 4 times the performance that it does now. Thus it would be wisest to fit in a $2000 budget now and spend the remaining $4000 over the following years

Given that you are building completely from Scratch, your Top budget Items will be Monitor, Power Supply Unit (NEVER SKIMP ON THIS ITEM), and Graphics Card.

Which means we could allocate about $400 for a 24" monitor, $200 for a PSU, and $500 for a Top of the line Graphics card. (leaving $900 for just: Case, Hard drive, Mobo, Ram, CPU, Audio, I/O and DVD drives)

Allright, I buy your argument, But so little? I have a pretty large budget atm, You say For approximately a total of 2000$ I would get a computer that runs the games of today smooth without problems, And then In the next couple of months I would have to invest in new parts that are released on the market?

I get most of it, but as im not as exprienced as most of you here, I would have to say that I wouldnt know _WHAT_ to upgrade when the system was in need of an upgrade, Lets say the computer I buy for approximately 2000$ as you stated with a 24" monitor, a stable PSU for 200$ and a Graphics card around 500$ etc; doesent run Crysis (the game) as smooth as I would like, What do i Upgrade first; Is there like a pattern you follow when you're in need of upgrades, things to exclude etc?

Thank you very much for your help and time put in helping me;

Sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-22-2007, 03:19 PM

NN you happen to know the release date for Skull Trail bassed mobos? That would be future proof for a good while :D

@ MysLex is there a time line to have this system built or just a general idea kind of thing for now?

MysLex

09-22-2007, 03:26 PM

mysticmerlin;2447818']NN you happen to know the release date for Skull Trail bassed mobos? That would be future proof for a good while :D

@ MysLex is there a time line to have this system built or just a general idea kind of thing for now?

Mysticmerlin; At the moment there arent any timeline, I was thinking that as soon as I got alot of great tips and links and enough motivation to build the computer - I would..
But in generally this would be in the future month coming.. approx 1 month.

nn_step

09-22-2007, 03:31 PM

Allright, I buy your argument, But so little? I have a pretty large budget atm, You say For approximately a total of 2000$ I would get a computer that runs the games of today smooth without problems, And then In the next couple of months I would have to invest in new parts that are released on the market?

I get most of it, but as im not as exprienced as most of you here, I would have to say that I wouldnt know _WHAT_ to upgrade when the system was in need of an upgrade, Lets say the computer I buy for approximately 2000$ as you stated with a 24" monitor, a stable PSU for 200$ and a Graphics card around 500$ etc; doesent run Crysis (the game) as smooth as I would like, What do i Upgrade first; Is there like a pattern you follow when you're in need of upgrades, things to exclude etc?

Thank you very much for your help and time put in helping me;

Sincerely
Alex
Your primary upgrade cycle will be better graphics card, followed by more Ram and a better processor.

But to be honest if you can't play Crysis with the current top of the Line Graphics card, just drop the settings down half a Notch and then it shouldn't be any problem

MysLex

09-22-2007, 03:35 PM

Your primary upgrade cycle will be better graphics card, followed by more Ram and a better processor.

But to be honest if you can't play Crysis with the current top of the Line Graphics card, just drop the settings down half a Notch and then it shouldn't be any problem

Allright, Fair enough.. I think we're gone through the basics, correct me if im wrong and please. Ask questions in this help you in your decition helping me.

So, Where do I start.. any specific Motherboard im looking for, that would last me some while into the future etc? ; And why this motherboard, explanations please :).

Again, Thank you very much for your time put here.

Sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-22-2007, 03:46 PM

Intel Quad Core Q6850 4x 3Ghz $1081.50 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=QX6850BOX

Mother board Asus Striker Extreme $300 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-STRIKER

nVidia 8800 Ultra 768 ram $607 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=XFX-88ULTR

2x4ghz DDR2 $249.26 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T800UX4GC5

Power supply Enermax 1100wt $303.85 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-GAL1000

Case Thermaltake Armor LCS VE2000BWS Liquid Cooling Case $225 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-VE2000B

2x 150g WD Raptors in Raid-0 $190 each http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=HD-W1500AD

Asus DL x18 DVD-RW $35 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=DRW1814-R

$3181.61 and there is little stuff I am sure I missed but you get the idea.

So far and this is all top of the line for the most part. Not the way I would go. My q6600 in my sig will play crisis close to maxed out I would figure no problem.

MysLex

09-22-2007, 04:15 PM

mysticmerlin;2447869']Intel Quad Core Q6850 4x 3Ghz $1081.50 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=QX6850BOX

nVidia 8800 Ultra 768 ram $607 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=XFX-88ULTR

2x4ghz DDR2 $249.26 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T800UX4GC5

Power supply Enermax 1100wt $303.85 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-GAL1000

So far and this is all top of the line. Not the way I would go. My q6600 in my sig will play crisis maxed out I would figure no problem.

Allright, correct me if im wrong, I thought something like this; these should fit with eachother etc? And,, Is it smart doing like this, I mean, Go out big - aim high directly buying some of the best stuff on the market and build it together for a higher amount of money, or do you recommend doing like NN said and start out small and build your way up?
Thinking about building your way up, I dont think I'll do so well in that topic since im quite lazy and uncunning so in my case i think going of big in the beginning would suit me best.

These things would be good, or are there better, Is there something I can cut down on? How good are these and how well will they work(Anyone have previous experiences?)

Motherboard;
Asus Striker Extreme Quad Core... (300$)
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-STRIKER#

-Is this mobo one of the better? Works good with the chosen Processor and memory?

Processor;
Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor QX6850 3GHz (1080$)
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=QX6850BOX

-Is this one of the better processors out there at the moment? Do you recommend it? Anyone better etc?

Memory;
CORSAIR Dominator 10000C5 (2x1024mb) (640$)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85028
OR;
STT DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB) (250$)
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=T800UX4GC5 (Price difference?)

-Whats the main difference between these memories, wich one would you recommend?

Power supply;
SILVERSTONE 1200W psu (380$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256029

-Is this a good powersupply? Cons? Pros?

Graphics;
EVGA nVidia GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB (650$)
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=EV-88ULTRA

-Is this a good graphics card? Anyone better? Whats the price difference? Do you recomend this one?
-Would you recomend me buying two of these? (Im sorry I don't know how large the difference is if using 2x Graphics cards, Is it worth it? Whats the main difference etc?

Ok this is my general idea, Thinking most of the memory, How much is the difference, the price difference is about 400$, and the cheaper one is 4gb;;

You don't need to answer all the questions but feel free to do so, I would very much appriciate any reply!

MAIN QUESTION;; What would you guys advice me to do, buy the more expensive one or go with the cheaper, keep in mind that I want the computer to last longer for future games etc. :)

And how well would this spec do me? Bringing it down to a AVG. price of approximately ; 3300$ with the more expensive memory; and the AVG. price of approximately ; 2910$ with the cheaper memory. Again, what would you advice me of doing?
Prices are EXCLUDING extra items such as Computer Case etc, Count in an Extra 700$ for a complete comp?~approximate price of; 4000$

Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-22-2007, 05:01 PM

theres a search function on the forums here you know. and theres google too.
get gtx instead of ultra. q6600 instead of qx6850. ballistix 8500 instead of corsair.

MysLex

09-22-2007, 05:19 PM

theres a search function on the forums here you know. and theres google too.
get gtx instead of ultra. q6600 instead of qx6850. ballistix 8500 instead of corsair.

Yes, sir, Im well aware of that, And I myself hate non-searchers, but I tried going through the forums quickly and couldnt find no 'very upto date' topic about building a computer like this from scratch, I wanted it to be as upto date as possible you see?

As this is a project I also wanted it to be a Topic on a forum that I had control over so I could update, Ask new questions and reform my questions as pleased.
thats why I chose the XtremeSystems Forums! tyvm, :)

And as reply on your statement, Replacing these to the one you mentioned is 'cheaper' right?
And followup: How much does it differs in performance?

Thank you for your reply

Sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-22-2007, 05:40 PM

As I said here "So far and this is all top of the line for the most part. Not the way I would go." and Justin_C hit is right on. You get about the same performance with much cheaper parts and have it for the next great video card or cpu or what ever.
Here is what Justin was saying

G0 stepping Q6600 @ 2.4 easy clocks to 3.0 + on good air/water (notice the same speed as the $1100 6850) and save $800 there.
Keep the striker mother board if you want SLI video cards but go 8800GTX for $100 or more cheaper and maybe 5 frams per second less. If SLI get 2 and gain 30fps easy on most games.
Ram you want 4 gigs these days for a game rig. J_C got it right again with the Ballisticz 8500's. Cheaper and better IMO.
Hard drives are what ever you need. Run 2x 74g Raptors in Raid-0 for game speed and then a 500gb what ever for storage needs.

But like NN_step was getting at is buy a good base that will not need to be upgraded for a good while ( Case / Big Power supply / good cooling / hard drives / optical drives. Ect. ) as you will need to update motherboard / cpu / ram / video card IMO every 2 years at the most to stay up with the next great game.

Am I helping here or confusing you? lol

perkam

09-22-2007, 06:29 PM

There is no gaming system in the world that is worth buying over $2000.

But if you have that much money to spend, I'd recommend a Voodoo PC or Dell XPS as you'll have the ability to have a full warranty with your hardware.

If you want a REALLY good way to spend that money, get a nice dual quad core clover server from HP (Dell's are too expensive) for around $2500 and just add an 8800 Ultra and you have an amazing setup.

Here it is: http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=431&FamilyId=2412&BaseId=23033&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=

If you want one quad, just add an additional gig of ram and you're done.

If you want two, just go to "2nd Processor" a little below and select the second processor. With 2gb of ram and 3 years Parts, labor and onsite services (which is free with the system), should be around ~$2,500.

Perkam

justin_c

09-22-2007, 07:40 PM

qx6850 is really only for hardcore benching; low voltage/mhz, unlocked multiplier, generally very high binned.

the evga 680i is as good as the striker 680i in terms of OC ability, but the 680i is a hit-miss. striker is just too expensive, has some bios bugs with 4gbs (has it been fixed?)

yup, ballistix 8500 still use d9gmh, so thats all set for OC.

get a 150gb raptor, two hitachi t7k500 500gb drives in raid, and your set.

sir_tiger

09-23-2007, 02:30 AM

MysLex

09-23-2007, 02:32 AM

mysticmerlin;2448001']As I said here "So far and this is all top of the line for the most part. Not the way I would go." and Justin_C hit is right on. You get about the same performance with much cheaper parts and have it for the next great video card or cpu or what ever.
Here is what Justin was saying

G0 stepping Q6600 @ 2.4 easy clocks to 3.0 + on good air/water (notice the same speed as the $1100 6850) and save $800 there.
Keep the striker mother board if you want SLI video cards but go 8800GTX for $100 or more cheaper and maybe 5 frams per second less. If SLI get 2 and gain 30fps easy on most games.
Ram you want 4 gigs these days for a game rig. J_C got it right again with the Ballisticz 8500's. Cheaper and better IMO.
Hard drives are what ever you need. Run 2x 74g Raptors in Raid-0 for game speed and then a 500gb what ever for storage needs.

But like NN_step was getting at is buy a good base that will not need to be upgraded for a good while ( Case / Big Power supply / good cooling / hard drives / optical drives. Ect. ) as you will need to update motherboard / cpu / ram / video card IMO every 2 years at the most to stay up with the next great game.

Am I helping here or confusing you? lol

Hehe, Im sorry I couldn't reply anytime sooner. Thank you for your reply, it made perfect sense.
I read what you wrote and ok, I buy the idea of cutting down on some parts for almost the same performance.

I would like to say you all made very good points and im gonna think about my decitions regarding the parts i choose.
I will come back to the forums later today and try to link a setup of my 'gaming rig' that Im thinking of using, I will have all your comments in thought.

Oh and; Remember im pretty much buillding this rig based on your thoughts, experiences and tips, and so far I love the feedback.

If someone would like, Feel free to link me a setup like Mysticmerlin did previously, that really helped me alot aswell. :up:

Sincerely
Alex

MysLex

09-23-2007, 02:36 AM

Case: Silverstone Tj09
Mobo: EVGA nForce 680i
Cpu: Intel Q6600 or more but i think that this is enough
Cpu cooler: Water Cooling: Swiftech H20-120 Premium
Ram: 2x2GB Mushkin or Corsair xms2 dominator,or ballistix 2*2 gb 8500
GPU: Dual EVGA 8800 ULTRA
HD: 1 x 150 raptor + Seagate 750GB (perpendicular recording) or Hitachi!
Psu: Pc&C 1000W
Monitor: choose yourself
Mouse: Razer Copperhead Mouse
Keyboard: Razer Tarantula

Price: Priceless

Thank you very much for this, Ill be sure to look into it, looks very interesting!
I assume you have the exact same setup? ;) So whats your overall rating for it? It runs different games without a flinch?
I get the point with 'Price: Priceless' but please be more specific :)

Sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-23-2007, 03:34 AM

Thank you very much for this, Ill be sure to look into it, looks very interesting!
I assume you have the exact same setup? ;) So whats your overall rating for it? It runs different games without a flinch?
I get the point with 'Price: Priceless' but please be more specific :)

Sincerely
Alex

(going by his sig) He has air cooling , Dual core cpu and no were close to a 8800ultra in SLI.

MysLex

09-23-2007, 05:11 AM

Ive thought about it and this is what im getting too, Anyone that would like to ask me any questions or add something, might aswell change something in the following setup?
What do you guys think about the following setup to a price of around 1800$

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Motherboard;
DFI LP UT NF680I LT SLI-T2 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i LT SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (260$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136035

Processor;
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail (280$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

Memory;
2GB kit (1GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-8500 memory module (200$)
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864AA1065

Power supply;
SILVERSTONE DA1200 ATX12V / EPS12V 1200W Power Supply - Retail (380$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256029

Graphics;
EVGA 768-P2-N885-AR GeForce 8800Ultra KO 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail (680$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130092

= 1800$

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mysticmerlin;2448600'](going by his sig) He has air cooling , Dual core cpu and no were close to a 8800ultra in SLI.

Allright, ahah, excuse me :) how foolish of me, ofcourse you're right. Anyway if someone would like to add, feel free to :)

Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-23-2007, 08:42 AM

get the GTX not the ultra. absolute waste of money for the ultra.

MysLex

09-23-2007, 08:45 AM

get the GTX not the ultra. absolute waste of money for the ultra.

Allright!
Otherwise?? Everythings looking good?? Should I set this as my 'projects''final' setup for the moment?
Ofcourse there will be time to change it because im not gonna order the parts quite yet. so feel free to advice me on any changes etc!

Should I now start thinking about Cooling, Case, other hardware devices such as Harddrive, CD reader etc?

Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-23-2007, 08:49 AM

forgot, :welcome: to XS.

you forgot the harddrives ;)
i recommend getting 1 150gb raptor (the x version has a window, if you want) and 2 500gb drives for storage that you can put in RAID0 to make an about 1TB partition.

btw, im very pleased that your very interested :D

oops, forgot the ODD too, i prefer the liteon drives as they have good scanning and CD reading/burning capabilities, pioneer isnt that bad (the last few batches of pioneer drives had problems with cd burning).

if you want some lights, get the ballistix Tracers. not necessary of course.

i would definitely spend some money on getting a good monitor, as undoubtedly its the most lasting component of a complete system and they don't get faster/better as quick as computers in general.

dont forget a heatsink/fan. i recommend either the ultra 120 xtreme or tuniq tower. and some thermal paste (arctic cooling mx-2 is good).

and fans for the case too.

a sound card if you want. (i would wait on this, as there is a very promising auzentech xfi prelude, which is out right now, but doesnt support full dolby, etc until they update the drivers, so wait on that).

i have that mobo, its very hard to overclock, but rewarding.

MysLex

09-23-2007, 08:53 AM

you forgot the harddrives ;)
i recommend getting 1 150gb raptor (the x version has a window, if you want) and 2 500gb drives for storage that you can put in RAID0 to make an about 1TB partition.

btw, im very pleased that your very interested :D

Yeah, thanks alot, you've been great help as many others have been aswell, I really appriciate that you all take time to help me :)

Yea, so im gonna think about harddrives and Computer Case now.. Anyone know a case that work together with the selected Motherboard; and i might add that im very new to water cooling systems, Is there anyone that would like to link me to a good Watercooling system for CPU, Im also in need of cooling my RAM memories and Graphics card, I don't believe that the Stock cooling system of the Graphics card is quite enough? Am I wrong?

This is step two, I hope some of you might help me with this decition aswell :)

Sicnerely
Alex

justin_c

09-23-2007, 08:58 AM

i updated my post above.
i wouldn't cool the ram as there is no real benefit. just an ocz xtc memory cooler is fine for RAMs.

i would do two loops, one for CPU and northbridge and another for the two gfx cards.
the problem with doing two loops is the cost and the lack of upgradeability if you choose to go with full motherboard cooling and two full cover waterblocks. if you decide to upgrade for example to the nvidia 9800 series, then you would need new blocks, blocks may change to adapt other motherboards, etc.

MysLex

09-23-2007, 09:29 AM

Harddrive;(Main)
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM (190$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011

Harddrive;(Storage, I dont need more then 500GB)
HITACHI Deskstar T7K500 HDT725050VLA360 (0A33437) 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (110$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145137

CD-Rom Drive;
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology - OEM (32$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106055

-Hows the Ballistix Tracer 8500 different in performance to the 'original' Ballistix 8500 Memories?
-Is 2048MB RAM Enough?? or should I buy 2x the Ballistix 8500 memories, making it 4GB (4x 1024MB)? How much approx. does it differs in performance?

-Currently I have a TFT Samsung SyncMaster 931c 19" Monitor,, Link;;
http://www.samsung.com/au/products/monitors/tft/highperformance/931c.asp

-Is this enough? You advice me to buy another one?

CPU Cooler;
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler - Retail (65$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109140

-This will fit the Processor and Motherboard of my choice, correct me if im wrong?

'Cooling' Paste;
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail (8$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020

-Im sorry, Im totally new to this and I have NO IDEA what so ever how this could cool the CPU, im terribly sorry, Would you please tell me how this works? :)

-About the Mobo, you say its hard to overclock, How do you mean? I have poor experience regarding OC and if you would describe this a little more, that would be very much appriciated!

Memory cooler;
OCZ OCZTXTCC Memory Cooler For both DDR1 & DDR2 - Retail (17$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835202003

-This will fit the memories of my choice, correct?

LAST:
I understand what you mean with it beein hard in the future upgrading the system with such big blocks, but I cant quite understand what you mean with 'two loops'?
Would you please state the name of the cooling and what parts i need for cooling the ;;

... would do two loops, one for CPU and northbridge and another for the two gfx cards ...

And as a side note; I only have 1 Graphics card in the setup I posted; You adviced me to a 8800 GTX, You mean I should invest in two of these or is 1 enough?

Again im very glad you decided to help out and i sincerely apologize for any spelling mistakes and putting you through reading all this information.

Best regards
Alex

justin_c

09-23-2007, 09:41 AM

ok my answers here are in green.

Harddrive;(Main)
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM (190$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136011
Yes thats a great harddrive. Put your OS and games on this.
Harddrive;(Storage, I dont need more then 500GB)
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (115$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136073
Lol, thats what your going to say today, but I can assure you, most people will run out of room. Anyhow, the Hitachi t7k500 500gb drives are faster and quieter.
CD-Rom Drive;
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology - OEM (32$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106055
Good DVD drive.
-Hows the Ballistix Tracer 8500 different in performance to the 'original' Ballistix 8500 Memories?
-Is 2048MB RAM Enough?? or should I buy 2x the Ballistix 8500 memories, making it 4GB (4x 1024MB)? How much approx. does it differs in performance?
The Tracers are no different. They have exactly the same chips, except they have some cool lights. Good if you have a case that has a window. Not necessary of course, just your choice to have lights or not.
-Currently I have a TFT Samsung SyncMaster 931c 19" Monitor,, Link;;
http://www.samsung.com/au/products/m...mance/931c.asp

-Is this enough? You advice me to buy another one?
Hmm, with a 8800, I would look into getting a large widescreen.
CPU Cooler;
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler - Retail (65$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835109140
Yep, thats good. When you install it, go to the Air cooling forums here, as there are some simple mods you can do for more cooling performance. And make sure you get a fan or two to strap onto the cooler. Yate loon 120mm fans are great.
-This will fit the Processor and Motherboard of my choice, correct me if im wrong?

'Cooling' Paste;
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail (8$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835186020
no problem. its comes in a small tube, containing some thermal grease/adhesive/compound/thermal interface material (all mean the same thing). you put a tiny bit on the CPU so it fills in the microscopic gaps between the heatsink and cpu IHS (the Integrated Heatspreader, the "casing" of the CPU.) because both surfaces have imperfections, it helps to improve heat transfer by filling in those gaps.
-Im sorry, Im totally new to this and I have NO IDEA what so ever how this could cool the CPU, im terribly sorry, Would you please tell me how this works?

-About the Mobo, you say its hard to overclock, How do you mean? I have poor experience regarding OC and if you would describe this a little more, that would be very much appriciated!
Well it takes lots of time to overclock and get stable at OC speeds, too many settings, and a buggy bios. its a fine motherboard.
Memory cooler;
OCZ OCZTXTCC Memory Cooler For both DDR1 & DDR2 - Retail (17$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835202003

-This will fit the memories of my choice, correct?
yep.

so you need a Case, fans, maybe a monitor.

aldave

09-23-2007, 09:52 AM

Harddrive;(Main)
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM (190$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011

Harddrive;(Storage, I dont need more then 500GB)
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM (115$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073

CD-Rom Drive;
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology - OEM (32$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106055

-Hows the Ballistix Tracer 8500 different in performance to the 'original' Ballistix 8500 Memories?
-Is 2048MB RAM Enough?? or should I buy 2x the Ballistix 8500 memories, making it 4GB (4x 1024MB)? How much approx. does it differs in performance?

-Currently I have a TFT Samsung SyncMaster 931c 19" Monitor,, Link;;
http://www.samsung.com/au/products/monitors/tft/highperformance/931c.asp

-Is this enough? You advice me to buy another one?

CPU Cooler;
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler - Retail (65$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109140

-This will fit the Processor and Motherboard of my choice, correct me if im wrong?

'Cooling' Paste;
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail (8$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020

-Im sorry, Im totally new to this and I have NO IDEA what so ever how this could cool the CPU, im terribly sorry, Would you please tell me how this works? :)

-About the Mobo, you say its hard to overclock, How do you mean? I have poor experience regarding OC and if you would describe this a little more, that would be very much appriciated!

Memory cooler;
OCZ OCZTXTCC Memory Cooler For both DDR1 & DDR2 - Retail (17$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835202003

-This will fit the memories of my choice, correct?

LAST:
I understand what you mean with it beein hard in the future upgrading the system with such big blocks, but I cant quite understand what you mean with 'two loops'?
Would you please state the name of the cooling and what parts i need for cooling the ;;

And as a side note; I only have 1 Graphics card in the setup I posted; You adviced me to a 8800 GTX, You mean I should invest in two of these or is 1 enough?

Again im very glad you decided to help out and i sincerely apologize for any spelling mistakes and putting you through reading all this information.

Best regards
Alex

oh, for the thermalright ultra 120 extreme, u still need a fan, i would sujest a noiseblocker or yate loon 120 mm fan, (or a noctua cause i have one) ^.^
btw, my name is alex too

MysLex

09-23-2007, 10:01 AM

Thank you soo very much for the replies its all very much clearer now. I changed the Harddrive to a 'Hitachi T7K500' - 500gb Harddrive as you suggested.

Fan Cooler;
5X YATE LOON 120mm Case Fan - D12SL-12 (4*5= 20$)
http://www.jab-tech.com/YATE-LOON-120mm-Case-Fan-D12SL-12-pr-3009.html

-I was thinking, I might need more then one of these, Im gonna count with 5, its rather cheap so nothing to argue with really,

oh, for the thermalright ultra 120 extreme, u still need a fan, i would sujest a noiseblocker or yate loon 120 mm fan, (or a noctua cause i have one) ^.^
btw, my name is alex too

Hi Alex, thank you for joining the discussion. :)

-After reading Alex's post about me needing a extra Fan cooler for the Thermalright ultra, I thought I'd use another one of the Yate Loon 120mm fan coolers for that one aswell ;)

Now I guess All i need to get started is a Computer Case, In this case I need a Case wich supports 120mm fan coolers and matches the measures of the Motherboard of my choice, I guess justin_c has the answer to this, *atleast i hope so*lol*
Overall, I guess my comp that im going to build will be Air cooled and not Water cooled, Whats your oppinion about this? Atleast I cant argue, I don't know anything about Water cooling..

And oh; Justin_c I couldnt help not to undestand what you said about northbridge on mobo etc, this is in need of cooling aswell? Whats needed for that? A link perhaps, a name of the product? :)

EDIT1::
Im also thinking about replacing the thermalright cooler to a Tuniq Tower, What would you advice to do? Anyone have experiences?

Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-23-2007, 10:09 AM

MysLex

09-23-2007, 10:13 AM

well the ultra 120 xtreme has no fans with it, so you have to buy fans to strap on, which are necessary. they have hooks, so you put them on each side of the heatsink fins.

the dfi 680i has a really good NB heatsink that comes with it, its very good.
good aircooling can be quite close in performance to water cooling. i would start looking at the lian li and silverstone cases (lian li v2000, silverstone tj07).

Thank you for clearing this; you've been awesome help justin_c!
Would you advice me on getting a Thermalright and strap on 2 of them Yate Loon 120mm fans on each side, or getting a Tuniq Tower?

Regarding the Cases, I need to find out the measurements of the DFI 680i Mobo and compare them to the cases?
Ill do as you told and start looking at the cases you provided. Thanks a bunch!

EDIT:
I was looking at the SILVERSTONE SST-TJ07-BW Black (330$) (Http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163067) - Case and I just fell in love, My only thought is the Size of that thing, are you sure that all the devices i've chosen to use will fit in that thing?
It had alot of fans aswell wich seems to give a pretty good airflow, You have any experiences?

Sinverely
Alex

justin_c

09-23-2007, 10:43 AM

MysLex

09-23-2007, 10:57 AM

most motherboard are standard size (almost all of the motherboards i bet that have been discussed at XS are atx, so any case would be fine, preferably a large roomy case for good airflow and expandability).

as for the tj07; hell yeah, it will fit everything. that thing is huge. go to the XS case gallery or water cooling gallery to look at some pics of the tj07 with stuff inside.

i personally would go with the tuniq tower, as its a proven heatsink that is very good and has an excellent mounting system compared to the ultra 120. the ultra 120 does outperform by a few degrees depending on which fans you choose. i would just get the tuniq tower.

Thank you once again Justin_c,
I think im pretty much set for start building this project! All the information I need should be in this topic, If not - Ill be sure to ask for it later on!

Ill come back to the topic tomorrow and double check everything, Write down everything that Is going to be done in the project and so on, I think this will be great, Thank you XtremeSystems forum and its members, Special thanks;
Justin_c, NN_Step & MysticMerlin

*Don't think this topic is dead quite yet, a report will be done tomorrow or anytime soon depending on what goes on in school;; I will continue using this topic with asking questions etc! you've been warned*lol*

Spawne32

09-23-2007, 03:10 PM

Oh my god, 5 to 6 grand? I cant even begin to think of all of the options you could do with that *grabs paper towel* sorry im beginning to drool. My mind is currently boggled with all of the options but nn step and mystic merlin will definitely keep you on the right track.

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-23-2007, 03:12 PM

And we want pic's (geek pr0n) Nothing get me going better than a couple grand worth of silicone.
On thing left out I just though of. Get a X-Fi Xtreme Gamer or better sound card. It kicks the crap out of on board :up:

Spawne32

09-23-2007, 03:14 PM

mysticmerlin;2449541']And we want pic's (geek pr0n) Nothing get me going better than a couple grand worth of silicone.
On thing left out I just though of. Get a X-Fi Xtreme Gamer or better sound card. It kicks the crap out of on board :up:

I think i have to go change my pants now at the thought of that :D

justin_c

09-23-2007, 03:48 PM

isnt the xfi xtreme gamer the castrated version of the xfi; doesnt have xfi dsp onboard. get the auzentech xfi prelude.

ShoNuff

09-23-2007, 10:25 PM

I would choose the Striker over the eVGA. Right now you could get MSI 8800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127288) Ultra on the cheap. At $599 a copy it rivals standard GTX pricing. It is also clocked at 660/2300. Put a pair of these in a SLI set up and your gaming rig will be unstoppable.

sir_tiger

09-24-2007, 03:24 AM

mysticmerlin;2448600'](going by his sig) He has air cooling, dual core CPU and no were close to a 8800ultra in SLI.

Yeah, I have what is written in my sig! :yepp:

@MysLex! With priceless I mean: it worth the extra money! Personally I dream this setup, which is maybe too exaggerated with 2 x 8800 ultra in sli (gtx maybe to save some money)

Go for @ least 24" monitor for that card, and I insist to keep cool that CPU with water!

And than, saying that this rig will be a beast, is not a compliment.:cool:

MysLex

09-24-2007, 03:45 AM

Thank you for all the great posts and additional information provided. I thought that Today i'd sit down and write down all the components im going to use in the computer, calculations for the prices and such, the post with the components wont be final, but its probably the 'beta final' it might be changed at any time, the components wont be bought today so you might aswell add something if you'd like!

MysLex

09-24-2007, 03:46 AM

*reserved*

sir_tiger

09-24-2007, 03:49 AM

Inform us about your final decision!:cool:

Thank you for all the great posts and additional information provided. I thought that Today i'd sit down and write down all the components im going to use in the computer, calculations for the prices and such, the post with the components wont be final, but its probably the 'beta final' it might be changed at any time, the components wont be bought today so you might aswell add something if you'd like!

MysLex

09-24-2007, 05:30 AM

!!IMPORTANT!!
Yeah well, I was gonna confirm everything and calculate shipping rates, the only thing was following;;;;;;;

NEWSEGG DOESENT SHIP INTERNATIONALLY!
THIS IS A HUGE SETBACK!! , Im in great need of help!!

Oh god I cant believe how foolish I was, didnt even check that.. :mad:

So my question is; Anyone know a webpage that has a as large range of merchendise's that ship internationally? preferably Sweden involved! DOH! :confused:

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 05:59 AM

MysLex

09-24-2007, 06:00 AM

Sweden!?! oh boy, ill have to take a look around

That would be of huge help!
Im going to look aswell, i really hope we can find something relevant here!

Sincerely
Alex

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 06:04 AM

tigerdirect.com sells internationally
http://www.ewiz.com sells internationally

thats all i got :/

MysLex

09-24-2007, 06:08 AM

tigerdirect.com sells internationally
http://www.ewiz.com sells internationally

thats all i got :/

Thank you very much, thats more than I got so its all good, gonna search through the pages and se what i can find, Thank you !

Sincerely
Alex

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 06:30 AM

Thank you very much, thats more than I got so its all good, gonna search through the pages and se what i can find, Thank you !

Sincerely
Alex

i wanna see that final list before you buy, make sure i give it my seal of approval :)

MysLex

09-24-2007, 07:24 AM

i wanna see that final list before you buy, make sure i give it my seal of approval :)

Alright, here it goes its very quickly done so, :) enjoy

'Final Beta' Computer Setup;

Computer Case; $329.99 + $15.90 = $345.89
SILVERSTONE SST-TJ07-BW Black 4.0mm ~ 8.0mm uni-body aluminum outer frame, 2.0mm aluminum body ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163067

Motherboard; $259.99 + 7.52 = $267.51
DFI LP UT NF680I LT SLI-T2 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i LT SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136035

Processor; $279.99 + $0 = $279.99
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

CPU Cooler; $44.99 + $6.33 = $51.32
Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001

Memory; $154.49 + $4.99 = $159.48
2GB (2 x 1GB) Crucial Ballistix 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148069

Memory cooler; $16.99 + $4.99 = $21.98
OCZ OCZTXTCC Memory Cooler For both DDR1 & DDR2 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835202003

Power supply; $379.99 + $11.04 = $391.03
SILVERSTONE DA1200 ATX12V / EPS12V 1200W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256029

Graphics; $679.99 + $6.61 = $686.60
EVGA 768-P2-N885-AR GeForce 8800Ultra KO 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130092

Harddrive;(Main, 150GB) $189.99 + $0 = $189.99
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011

Harddrive;(Storage, 500GB) $109.99 + $0 = $109.99
HITACHI Deskstar T7K500 HDT725050VLA360 (0A33437) 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145137

CD-Rom Drive; $31.99 + $5.84 = $37.83
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106055

Floppy Drive; $7.99 + $4.99 = $12.98
SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model MPF920 Black - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16821103116

5X case Fan Coolers;(Some extra) (On hold for now!)
5X YATE LOON 120mm Case Fan - D12SL-12
http://www.jab-tech.com/YATE-LOON-120mm-Case-Fan-D12SL-12-pr-3009.html

Ignore the prices, they arent final..

Sincerely
Alex

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 07:29 AM

no no no no no! who the hell gave some of these recommendations LOL why on earth someone would recommend a 680i board..., let me revise some things real quick here.

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 07:40 AM

First off, unless you have some kind of visually pleasing aspect of buying such as expensive case, i would totally recommend you go with somthing a little cheaper, full tower cases are nice for spaciousness and airflow, but make sure you have the room (measurements) for wherever you are putting the computer, i would recommend a cheaper case such as...

COOLER MASTER Stacker 810 RC-810-SKA1-GP Silver/ Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case RS-850-EMBA 850W Power Supply - Retail $289.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119140

The 680i board??? Who the hell gave that recommendation, those boards are TERRIBLE, you want a gaming computer the only way your gona acheive optimal performance is with using the P35 chipset, despite its lack of SLI, overall you will get more FPS.

Since were on the verge of new motherboards being released (X38 chipset, i recommend somthing cheaper)
ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $184.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127030&Tpk=IP35%2bPro

The CPU cooler, i honestly dont know what the person was thinking who recommended that, head down to the air cooling forum and take a look at the sticky for the OCPULSE HEATSINK SHOWDOWN, it will give you the results your looking for, quite frankly i would recommend the Ultra 120 Extreme hands down.

The ram i have no quams about, you have the money to spend, no reason to get 4 gigs right now as we are on the verge of making the switch to DDR3. So save the money.

The powersupply, again, total overkill, my recommendation leans again towards somthing cheaper with EXCELLENT performance, the Ultra X3 power supplys, 1000watt or 1200watt will serve you amazingly. Just ask jonny guru.

AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 CPU Bundle - FREE Copies of Ghost Recon 3 & Dark Messiah PC Games, Ultra X3 1000-Watt ATX SATA/SLI Power Supply, AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 2.80GHz Socket AM2 OEM Processor SELL THE ATHLON PROCESSOR MAKE SOME MONEY :)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3285761&CatId=2334

I wont argue with the 8800 Ultra, but, i will say that its virtually no different from the 8800 GTX, so you could save money in that area.

Hitachi deskstar? Not a chance, id go with the seagate barracuda's 7200.10 (model # that ends with AS) with the perpendicular recording anyday.

other then that, lookin good :)

MysLex

09-24-2007, 08:03 AM

other then that, lookin good :)

Okay. hah, thank you - this gave me a really big 'hum' about whats going on.
AGAIN ill have to reconsider my choices and ill get back with an decition!
thanks buddy! Hope your right, (i do not doubt your experiences by any chance tho)

Will be back in a day or two with a decition!

EDIT1::
Whats the feedback on the company named 'Lagoom'?
They ship internationaly with not so high prices, pretty good if you asked me, Anyone have experiences with these?
REF: http://www.lagoom.com/

Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-24-2007, 10:02 AM

get the 8800 gtx instead of the ultra. im busy right now, ill post later.

MysLex

09-24-2007, 11:12 AM

get the 8800 gtx instead of the ultra. im busy right now, ill post later.

Fair enough buddy!
Ill switch the Ultra for a GTX right now~
Looking forward to your post later!~

ALSO;; The Computer Case and Powersupply was hard to get a grip of.. First I can't find a site that sells the Computer Case you stated Spawne, that ships internationally, and second.. the Powersupply was only sold in the US or at Tigerdirect.com - wich shipped internationally, but the Shipping cost was extreme, it was about $150 to ship the Bundle here to Sweden, bringing it to a cost of nearly $460 wich is nearly more then for the Silverstone 1200W, allthough I had problems finding a seller of this PSU that shipped internationally aswell..
Its a shame.. So If you know a site that sells these Parts and ship internationally, please tell me,, and If not, a Similar part wich fit the system parts of my choice.

Thank you guys once again for great help on these hard decitions!

EDIT:::
How well would a 'THERMALTAKE 1000W ToughPower ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V Active PFC Modular (W0132RE)' Serve me as a PSU?
its approx $399 incl. shipping~ !
Any other power supplies, maybe cheaper that has the same quality as the Silverstone 1200W, or the Ultra 3X 1000W psu.. ?

Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-24-2007, 11:39 AM

the hitachi drives are fine now. that was before.

pick a different PSU, enermax galaxy 1kw, silverstone da1000, there are a bunch.

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 11:53 AM

The thermaltake toughpower 1000watt and 1200watt units are excellent power supplys, and they will work great on your system, heres a review for you read up on...

http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=115

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 11:56 AM

Fair enough buddy!
Ill switch the Ultra for a GTX right now~
Looking forward to your post later!~

ALSO;; The Computer Case and Powersupply was hard to get a grip of.. First I can't find a site that sells the Computer Case you stated Spawne, that ships internationally, and second.. the Powersupply was only sold in the US or at Tigerdirect.com - wich shipped internationally, but the Shipping cost was extreme, it was about $150 to ship the Bundle here to Sweden, bringing it to a cost of nearly $460 wich is nearly more then for the Silverstone 1200W, allthough I had problems finding a seller of this PSU that shipped internationally aswell..
Its a shame.. So If you know a site that sells these Parts and ship internationally, please tell me,, and If not, a Similar part wich fit the system parts of my choice.

Thank you guys once again for great help on these hard decitions!

EDIT:::
How well would a 'THERMALTAKE 1000W ToughPower ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V Active PFC Modular (W0132RE)' Serve me as a PSU?
its approx $399 incl. shipping~ !
Any other power supplies, maybe cheaper that has the same quality as the Silverstone 1200W, or the Ultra 3X 1000W psu.. ?

Sincerely
Alex

To be totally honest about the case, in my personal opinion, i never spend more then 100 on a case, it makes me ill to do so :p: the only time you will ever see me rockin a 100+ case is if it get it for free, with that in mind, unless you seriously need a full tower case, there are plently of mid towers out now that provide EXCELLENT performance, for much cheaper then what your lookin at originally.

A few particular highlights from newegg for you here...

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black SECC STEEL ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156062

Antec Performance One P180B Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel for durability through the majority of chassis 1.0mm cold rolled steel around the 4 x HDD area ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129017
$129.99

:up:

MysLex

09-24-2007, 12:08 PM

To be totally honest about the case, in my personal opinion, i never spend more then 100 on a case, it makes me ill to do so :p: the only time you will ever see me rockin a 100+ case is if it get it for free, with that in mind, unless you seriously need a full tower case, there are plently of mid towers out now that provide EXCELLENT performance, for much cheaper then what your lookin at originally.

A few particular highlights from newegg for you here...

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black SECC STEEL ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156062

Antec Performance One P180B Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel for durability through the majority of chassis 1.0mm cold rolled steel around the 4 x HDD area ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129017
$129.99

:up:

I totally understand what you're saying and if Im able to cut down on $50 on the Computer Case ill gladly do it..
Its just that this is the first time im building my own computer so to say, and im just scared the MOBO of my choice wont fit in the case i choose, Is this going to be a problem actually?
Also to note is that im gonna use a Thirmalright Extreme 120mm Fan on the CPU with some Fans on it, will this fit in a Mid-tower??? :confused:

I also plan on changing the Original fans of the Computer case to ones with higher performance..
Since Yate Loon isnt sold in Sweden(duh) And Petra Tec doesent sel internationall anymore, its a huge dissapointment, and I would like some replacements for Yate Loon fans (120mm) that has about the same performance,
Im gonna go through the AIR Fan Section in this forum aswell..

Cause otherwise im gonna go ahead and buy a Mid Tower and feel just good about it.
Thanks again! *lol* :up:

Sincerely
Alex

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 12:20 PM

I totally understand what you're saying and if Im able to cut down on $50 on the Computer Case ill gladly do it..
Its just that this is the first time im building my own computer so to say, and im just scared the MOBO of my choice wont fit in the case i choose, Is this going to be a problem actually?
Also to note is that im gonna use a Thirmalright Extreme 120mm Fan on the CPU with some Fans on it, will this fit in a Mid-tower??? :confused:

I also plan on changing the Original fans of the Computer case to ones with higher performance..
Since Yate Loon isnt sold in Sweden(duh) And Petra Tec doesent sel internationall anymore, its a huge dissapointment, and I would like some replacements for Yate Loon fans (120mm) that has about the same performance,
Im gonna go through the AIR Fan Section in this forum aswell..

Cause otherwise im gonna go ahead and buy a Mid Tower and feel just good about it.
Thanks again! *lol* :up:

Sincerely
Alex

well theres gona be two kinds of mobo choices, matx and atx, your gona be using atx in whatever you choose, and 99.9% of mid tower full tower, and even some mini towers, fit atx sized boards, i predict absolutely no problem here, unless you accidentally buy a BTX style case by accident. The Ultra 120 Extreme should fit in any of the cases i listed, generally your lookin for somthing with a width of about 7 1/2 - 9 inches, any of those should be able to fit the Ultra 120 Extreme.

As far as the fans go, i hear that "Noiseblocker" make fans are the best kind you can get in europe aside from the sharkoon golf balls.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article739-page5.html#noiseblocker

MysLex

09-24-2007, 12:27 PM

well theres gona be two kinds of mobo choices, matx and atx, your gona be using atx in whatever you choose, and 99.9% of mid tower full tower, and even some mini towers, fit atx sized boards, i predict absolutely no problem here, unless you accidentally buy a BTX style case by accident. The Ultra 120 Extreme should fit in any of the cases i listed, generally your lookin for somthing with a width of about 7 1/2 - 9 inches, any of those should be able to fit the Ultra 120 Extreme.

As far as the fans go, i hear that "Noiseblocker" make fans are the best kind you can get in europe aside from the sharkoon golf balls.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article739-page5.html#noiseblocker

Thank you once again mate!

I fixed the setup of the computer now and the total cost of the computer lies around $2600

Iven been calculating some parts in Swedish, But Im gonna go ahead and write the setup down and then im gonna explain some maths, HERE GOES, let me know what you think!

it might be alittle confusing *lol* but look at the part's names etc~ I think you'll understand mate!

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Computer Case;
~1000 SEK ~ $120

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Motherboard;
Abit IP35 Pro Intel Core 2 Socket LGA775 1333FSB Intel P35 Express Chipset DDR2 800 PCI-E Intel ATX Motherboard Retail

(EU: http://www.lagoom.com/Abit_IP35_Pro_Intel_Core_2_Socket/IP35_PRO/partinfo-id-574724.html
ink. shipping = $250.44 = 1,600 SEK

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Processor;
Intel BX80562Q6600 Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor 2.4GHz FSB1066MHz 8M Cache LGA775 Quad Core Retail Box

(EU: http://www.lagoom.com/Intel_BX80562Q6600_Core_2_Quad/BX80562Q6600/partinfo-id-569628.html#
inkl. shipping = $328.79 = 2,150 SEK

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CPU cooler;
Thermalright - Ultra-120 eXtreme

(EU: http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=76174
inkl. shipping = 638 SEK(utan=559 SEK) ~ $99

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Memory;
2GB (2 x 1GB) Crucial Ballistix 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

(EU: http://www.crucial.com/eu/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864AA1065
inkl. shipping = 179.76€ = 1,650 SEK

inkl. frakt = 1531 SEK

http://www.inwarehouse.se/Product.aspx?prd=1246511

inkl. frakt = 1348 SEK (Cheapest in Sweden)

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=334571

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Memory cooler;
OCZ OCZTXTCC Memory Cooler For both DDR1 & DDR2 - Retail

(EU: http://www.lagoom.com/OCZ_XTC_OCZTXTCC_Memory_Airflow/OCZTXTCC/partinfo-id-569081.html#
inkl. shipping = $40.54 = 260 SEK

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Power supply;
Thermaltake Toughpower W0132 1000W

(EU: http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=70708&ref=Prisjakt
ink. frakt = 2700 SEK

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Graphics;
eVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB DDR3 575MHz DVI / HDTV PIC-E Video Card Retail

(EU: http://www.lagoom.com/eVGA_768-P2-N831-AR_GeForce_8800GTX/768-P2-N831-AR/partinfo-id-568888.html
inkl. shipping = $583.06 = 3,800 SEK

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PRIM Harddrive;
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

(EU: http://www.lagoom.com/Western_Digital_WDC_Raptor_X_150GB/WD1500AHFD/partinfo-id-553027.html
inkl. shipping = $266.61 = 1,700 SEK

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SEC Harddrive;
Seagate ST3500630AS 500GB Internal 3.5" SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200rpm 16MB Cache 5-Yr Warr. Bulk

(EU: http://www.lagoom.com/Seagate_ST3500630AS_500GB_Internal/ST3500630AS/partinfo-id-553062.html
inkl. shipping = $181.59 = 1,200 SEK

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CD-Rom Drive;
assume = 50$ ~ 350 SEK

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Floppy Drive;
assume = 50$ ~ 350 SEK

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:up: _OR_ :down: ??

Yours Sicnerely
Alex

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 12:29 PM

:up: Now if you have any questions about installation or anything when you finally get all those parts, you know who to call :)

MysLex

09-24-2007, 12:37 PM

:up: Now if you have any questions about installation or anything when you finally get all those parts, you know who to call :)

Thanks alot mate, You've been to serious help!
I just love this forum allready, And i have been a member of this site for only nearly a week! :up:

Ill be sure to update on any progress! Thanks alot!

Yours Sincerely
Alex

justin_c

09-24-2007, 04:21 PM

i wouldnt get the seagate drives, as ive personally had big reliability problems with them, so have others. ill suggest hitachi or samsung.

otherwise, :up:

Spawne32

09-24-2007, 04:32 PM

Thanks alot mate, You've been to serious help!
I just love this forum allready, And i have been a member of this site for only nearly a week! :up:

Ill be sure to update on any progress! Thanks alot!

Yours Sincerely
Alex

I tend to spend most of my time in the air cooling forum or my own site, because thats what i specialize in more, but i couldnt help myself when i seen "building new gaming computer" on the main forum page :lol:

MysLex

09-24-2007, 08:37 PM

i wouldnt get the seagate drives, as ive personally had big reliability problems with them, so have others. ill suggest hitachi or samsung.

otherwise, :up:

Thank you for your post. Your post have been noted and i still have some time to reconsider my choice of HDD. not a biggie :)

I tend to spend most of my time in the air cooling forum or my own site, because thats what i specialize in more, but i couldnt help myself when i seen "building new gaming computer" on the main forum page :lol:

hihi, Ok! Anyways I'd like to thank you for your posts and your effort.
I might see you around in the AirCooling forums in the future so! :up:

Thank you both guys! cant thank enough.

Yours Sincerely_
Alex

link for furtheruse; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

MysLex

09-25-2007, 05:00 AM

As a side note, I would like to ask you if anyone of you have experience buying from 'Lagoom.com'? It seems that they have similar prices to Newegg.com and they do ship internationally,

If anyone could confirm them and their feedback, that would be awesome!

Yours Sincerely
Alex

Spawne32

09-25-2007, 05:04 AM

never heard of them... but....

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Lagoom

MysLex

09-25-2007, 06:18 AM

never heard of them... but....

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Lagoom

Aye, I checked out them on Pricegrabber.com aswell, and they seem to have recieved nothing but good retings! I think i'll go ahead and buy nearly all my parts from there ;)

Yours Sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

09-30-2007, 01:55 PM

Any updates Alex ?

MysLex

10-02-2007, 04:48 AM

mysticmerlin;2462475']Any updates Alex ?

Hi again MysticMerlin,
Its with regret im telling you that there arent any updates quitet yet.
A friend of mine flew to the US, and it was said that he would look for some parts for the computer if he came across anything, So It was said that I wouldnt order anything untill he got home, since theres communication problems, and time differences and all that.

So im sad to say that there will probably be another 2 weeks, Allthough, I promise you there will be a update within those days, And i promise to bring pictures for ya'll :up:

Yours Sincerely
Alex

MysLex

10-06-2007, 02:55 AM

[XC] mysticmerlin

10-06-2007, 03:32 AM

Update: On monday I'll be ordering home all the stuff, before then I thought i'd jump in and ask if anyone would have anything to add to the purchaselist etc? any changes?

Anyway, a new update will come soon! :up:

Yours Sincerely-
Alex

Floppy is about $10 and you can get a good DVD-RW dual layer for under $45 USD of course. It looks like a hella set up. What case did you decide upon btw? no link to it.
Hope it is all you wanted. Looks :up: to me !

Edit: What about a sound card? If you are going in this much it is money well spent IMO.

MysLex

10-06-2007, 05:15 AM

Hi again, First of all, I didnt think of a soundcard, you might aswell link one if you have one in mind thats pretty 'cheap' but still gets the work done, if you know what i mean, ;)

And I might aswell post the whole List again.. lol - feel like im spamming, but thats including what case i chose etc. :)

here goes;;

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Computer Case;
Cooler Master CM (Dominator) 690 (Black)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

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Motherboard:

ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard

Manufacturer: ABIT
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): IP35PRO

Estimated price: $190

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Processor:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor

Manufacturer: Intel
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): BX80562Q6600

Estimated price: $290

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CPU cooler:

Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler

Manufacturer: Thermalright
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): Ultra-120 Extreme

Estimated price: $65

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Memory:

Crucial Ballistix (PC2 8500) 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Manufacturer: Crucial
Series: Ballistix
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): BL2KIT12864AA1065

Estimated price: $155

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Memory cooler:

OCZ OCZTXTCC Memory Cooler For both DDR1 & DDR2

Manufacturer: OCZ
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): OCZTXTCC

Estimated price: $17

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Power supply:

Thermaltake Toughpower W0132RU 1000W

Manufacturer: Thermaltake
Series: Toughpower
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): W0132RU

Estimated price: $330

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Graphics:

EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

Manufacturer: EVGA
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): 768-P2-N831-AR

Estimated price: $530

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Harddrive #1:

Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

Manufacturer: Western Digital
Series: Raptor X
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): WD1500AHFD

Estimated price: $200

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Harddrive #2:

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3500630AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Manufacturer: Seagate
Series: Barracuda 7200.10
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): ST3500630AS

Estimated price: $120

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CD-Rom Drive:

Lite-On DVDRW LH-20A1H-185 DoubleLayer Ram Sight Scribe 20X Black

Manufacturer: LITE-ON
Series: DVD Burner
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): LH-20A1H-185

Estimated price: $31

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Floppy Drive:

SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model MPF920 Black - OEM

Manufacturer: SONY
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): MPF920 Black

Estimated price: $8

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Fläktar(Fans):

6ST Yate Loon D12SL-12 (120 mm)

Name: "Yate Loon"
Manufacturer Part Number(MODEL): D12SL-12

Estimated price: (EACH): $7

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Thats how the purchase list is looking atm :) If you want any Links or anything, feel free to ask, I got a lot of time on my hands. :)

Deepest regards
Alex

[XC] Synthetickiller

10-06-2007, 07:11 AM

Since the guy has a ton of cash to spend, why aren't you guys pushing larger monitors?

I can understand saving money on ram, cpu and video since those will be outdated, but not on a PSU, Case, or monitor. Heck, even a liquid cooling system would be a good investment if this guy decides to overclock. At least he could re-use most of his set up if not all over it on another build.

I would say either get a large 1080p LCD TV (42" or greater) or a 30" 2560x1600 lcd monitor.

I read over the psu recommendations. What the hell? Why does everyone want this guy to buy a 1000 watt psu? I have more stuff than he has in my rig and i'm running nicely on 650 watts. He could save 100 bucks and spend that on doubling his ram alone. He can easily get by with 550 - 600 watts.

Save some money:

PSU: seasonic s12 650 watt $152.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151028

I honestly don't know what to recommend for a monitor. I am not sure if he wants something to fit on a small desk or he has as much space as he needs to fit anything. I have a 24" widescreen monitor and can't go back to anything less other than my 22" square crt that weighs 77 lbs. I am not sure if he will use the setup for stuff other than gaming. Preferably, a large 1080p lcd monitor would be idea. You can watch movies, play games at high resolutions.

He could go budget and get this 47" 1080p lcd http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889234012

or get something higher end, but with that, the sky's the limit.

Just my 2 cents. Everything else looks good btw. As well, you can probably drop in the new line of intel chips (q9450 or better) and stay current for quite a while. Good luck. Its always fun building a new computer.:D

MysLex

10-06-2007, 07:49 AM

interesting post.
About the Monitor, It'll take some while before i look into that, i prioritize getting the computer together first , but thanks for your post and your suggestions.
Regarding the PSU, ill have to look into that aswell, probably before monday..

About the Q9450 I can't quite seem to see any store who sells that yet, Is it even out on the market? :confused:
Im sorry for being so 'noobish'.

Once again, Thank you_

Yours sincerely-
Alex

[XC] Synthetickiller

10-06-2007, 01:08 PM

The Penryns are not out yet. I wouldn't worry about thsoe unless you need the "fastest" thing and since you're gaming, you won't need that. Better to invest money into a video card. You best bang for the buck is a q6600.

I wouldn't even worry about it being "SLOW" when the next gen comes around. I have mine stable 24/7 real world stable @ 3.8ghz w/ 4-4-4-12 (i might be able to get these a bit tighter) ram timings. Honestly, I'd love to get another chip like the new intel line, but I just got my q6600 about 2 months ago and am VERY pleased w/ the speed increase over my old dual opty set up. I don't know what you're running now, but these quads are fast.

As for your psu, check out this site: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

That should give you some ideas as to how much power you really need. I actually own a 1000 watt psu, but I have a system which requires that much power constantly (a server mobo that requires 645 watts alone + 2 independent cooling loops + 2 cpus + high end video card + 9 fans + 6 hdds). It has some expansion room, but the point is that I really did need a PSU that big.

On the PSU calulator, if you are not Ocing and are on air, w/ a q6600, 8800gtx, 6 120mm fans, audio card, 1 sata hdd, 2 sticks of ddr2, audio card, and dvd burner @ 85% CPU utilization (I doubt you'll really use your CPU that much), you are looking at 335 watts. Thats it. You can check it out for yourself. Save some cash, get a smaller PSU. 600 watts or around that is great considering you'd have room to add in a liquid cooling set up and/or more hdds and things.

Obscured

10-06-2007, 01:10 PM

About the Q9450 I can't quite seem to see any store who sells that yet, Is it even out on the market? :confused:
It isn't on the market yet. But it will be released soon (in one or two months). Q9450 belongs to a new gen of Intel CPUs.

MysLex

10-06-2007, 03:08 PM

[XC] Synthetickiller

10-06-2007, 03:41 PM

I don't own any of the new 8800s (being a little B*TCH and waiting for the 9800gtx or whatever it going to be called). Having never used DX10 hardware, let me say this:

For extreme OCing, the Ultras seem better, but if you are getting it to game and not just for the highest OC/benchmarks, go with the GTX. You'll save about 100 bucks I'm guessing which can be put towards ram.

I forget who it is (someone may want to pipe up), but one company will allow you trade in your 8800gtx (if you buy one) for nVidia's next video card if its within a 90 day time span. Don't quote me on that, thats why I'm hoping someone will know what I am talking about....

Anyways, the 8800gtx should hold you fine. I say this b/c I own an ati x1900xtx and I can play bioshock @ 1920x1080 with all settings at max. I would think the 8800gtx could run crysis at max from looking at the recommended requirements. My card isn't even at the bottom end of the recommended. Heck, the Ultra is barely better than the GTX in general. You won't notice it.

This is what I gather from reading the forums and such.

BTW, with my cpu @ 3.8ghz, my max cpu usage during bioshock is about 35% max. I've never seen it go above. I think with all of window's crap running in the background, the ram usage jumps to 2.1 gigs (i'm sitting at 1.3gigs right now and all i have running is trillian, itunes, mozilla, cpu z and windows taskmangager). I honestly don't think the game uses more than 800 mb of memory at any one time on full settings. 2 gigs, especially in xp, would run it fine. In vista, windows will just have to cry and dump all the crap from the ram so the game can run fine (which won't be an issue for u). I have 4 gigs btw, just for a scale of reference. Save yourself some dough, i think 2 gigs would be enough for a gaming/school rig.

Oh one other thing, these new p35 mobos have excellent audio, at least the asus ones (since I have experience with them). I wouldn't spend money on an audio card if you're only doing gaming. They all now seem to have 5.1 surround built in. I can tell the clarity and "cleanness" of the sound is far better than my old mobo w/ an AC97' audio chip in it. The ADI AD1988B chip set on the asus sounds as good to me as my old audigy 4 card. That said, I haven't heard it in a while, but I doubt I could hear a difference. I wouldn't warrant spending another 50 bucks on a card for a minimal audio quality increase. The HDA audio chip on the abit should be fine. I'm assuming the chip set is rather new and not old like the AC97'.

I hope this clears up a few things for you.

Spawne32

10-06-2007, 04:21 PM

only thing i can say since the last wek talked is, tuesday morning X38 should hit the retail market...you may want to check to see if you can get one of those instead...and, the GTX is fine, i really see no need for the Ultra, in fact, in my new setup im actually gona do X38+crossfire, 2 2900Pro's.

justin_c

10-06-2007, 07:09 PM

havent i said at least 2 times, buy the GTX, NOT the ultra. the ultra is just binned a little bit higher. no difference @ stock.

MysLex

10-07-2007, 03:34 AM

havent i said at least 2 times, buy the GTX, NOT the ultra. the ultra is just binned a little bit higher. no difference @ stock.

ops, im sorry.. really-
I was just curious since the price differed that much, and I couldn't quite seem to understand why, but now that I looked back on it, you explained it a while back. So im sorry for this~ ;/

Anyways, Looking into if I should buy a X38 Chipset and a Pair of DDR3 memories, How would this benefit me?
I mean is the X38 chipsets stable and hows the DDR3 together with a X38 instead of P35 and DDR2?

And, What will the price be on the X38 chipset approximately?
Would you advice me on waiting for buying a X38 chipset and DDR3 memories (2gb)~?

Yours sincerely
Alex

MysLex

10-07-2007, 03:35 AM

adamsleath

10-07-2007, 03:57 AM

Whats your oppinion on X38 and DDR3?
too expensive.:lol:
x38: crossfire & pci-e2.0 (sort of "future proof" wrt graphics)
ddr3: too early/ crazy prices / very small performance gains in games.

1) Budget would be around 5000-6000$ some 100$ here or there doesent matter that much,.,
2) Most important I would say to be; future games;

$6000 should last many upgrades into the future.

You could really go to town with sound and video with this sort of $$
Mega screens and mega surround sound setups, etc.

you have a list of parts: start ordering! :lol:

Obscured

10-07-2007, 05:59 AM

Whats your oppinion on X38 and DDR3?~

X38 is a chip set for experienced enthisiasts. Keep in mind that it's very expensive too.

DDR3 has just appeared. It's latency is high, price is high, but perfomance gain is low.

MysLex

10-07-2007, 06:23 AM

too expensive.:lol:
x38: crossfire & pci-e2.0 (sort of "future proof" wrt graphics)
ddr3: too early/ crazy prices / very small performance gains in games.

$6000 should last many upgrades into the future.

You could really go to town with sound and video with this sort of $$
Mega screens and mega surround sound setups, etc.

you have a list of parts: start ordering! :lol:

----------

X38 is a chip set for experienced enthisiasts. Keep in mind that it's very expensive too.

DDR3 has just appeared. It's latency is high, price is high, but perfomance gain is low.

So what you're both saying is, Go with the P35 chipset, the DDR2 memories and the 8800GTX for now, and upgrade to X38 and DDR3 later when the prices dropped and the performance gain actually is worth the price for a 'gamer' as myself?

Yours sincerey
Alex

lamboman

10-07-2007, 06:33 AM

I would not try to spend all of his money at once, I think that it would be better to spend quite a bit now but also try to save some. A big TV, like a 47 incher or something like that is a great buy for gaming. Scrap the PC8500 memory, you won't need anything that fast for an air cooled setup, you will only need PC6400. Forget X38 and DDR3, the performance of the current components will be plenty TBH, and DDR3 knida sucks at the moment anyway. As for the case, you could get something much better, I would recommend the Stacker 832, and some quiet fans on the side. The power supply could be changed to the Corsair HX620, which is actually a lot more powerful than 620 W, it is just rated by Corsair as being 620W to make the fans run slower and make the thing cooler. I would also suggest that you scrap the Raptor and get two 250GB 7200.10 drives in RAID0 for the OS drive. That way you would get much faster performance for less than half the price. That is what I would do, but it doesn't make a difference really.

Bobsama

10-07-2007, 07:20 AM

Hmm, interesting thread. Lots of information... I've read over the first and fourth pages (I'm lazy) and here's what I have to say...

1) You don't need an uber-power supply. Many people swear by PC Power & Cooling--the PCP&C Silencer 750 Quad should be more then enough power for the next four years. At $200 USD, it's a nice price.
2) X38 looks great, but DDR3 is just overpriced. For what you want, P35 looks to be the best. I agree with the ABit IP35 Pro--that's a kick-arsch board. For memory, I'd say some relatively-good DDR2 800--CL4 should be nice and can be had for $50/gigabyte. You don't need much faster--few air cooling setups will reach 3.6+GHz for Core 2 Quads, but even if you want faster you should be able to overclock sufficiently with more voltage or looser timings.
3) Stick to about a $2000 budget--remember that within a few months of purchase, most everything will be outdated and worth a fraction as much. Computers are rarely investments. With the other $2000-$4000 you save, don't touch it for at least a year. Your upgrade cycle will basically be, as previously said, more RAM, a new graphics card, and then a new processor. A rebuild of those items (and motherboard) every two years will extend the life your core system (case, power supply, hard drives, optical drives, monitor, speakers, keyboard/mouse/joystick). Remember you will be able to reuse some components on other computers if you so choose, or put the older hardware on crunching duty (for distributed computing, such as SETI@Home, Folding@Home, DIMES, &c.)
4) RAID0 for system drives isn't perfect--I think you would be more then happy with a single 74GB Raptor and storage drives for everything else. Remember to setup the page-file to another physical drive to keep the system fast. Installing your favorite games to the OS drive and having page-file and storage on other drives should make for very fast loads. It doesn't really make a difference--just remember that using hard drives that won't sync heads could end up making RAID0 perform worse then non-RAID solutions.

[XC] Synthetickiller

10-07-2007, 07:23 AM

Even if you plan on OC'ing, I doubt you'd be pushing your hardware hard enough to warrant spending a lot on an x38 board.I have a p35 and am extremely happy with it.

Best Bet:

P35 mobo: whatever these guys recommend, since I've only used one of them (asus p5k deluxe)
Video: 8800gtx
Ram: 2x1gig ddr2 800 (Geil, Crucial or something else decent)
CPU: q6600 GO
Air Cooler: Thermalright 120 extreme or whatever these guys are saying.
Case: Your chose, thats a personal thing, just don't spend too much (its usually not worth it)
PSU: something stable at least 500 watts, the HX620 is supposed to be excellent and I've had NO issues with seasonic or enermax.
Fans: the yates should be good. If you wanna spend some cash, the sayno denki san ace 1011's on a rheostat are awesome, but for you, the yates will work perfectly. The San Ace's cost about 20 a piece, so its expensive and not worth the value for u.
HDD: I have a 150 gig raptor and am happy with it. I also have some old 36 gig raptors and a 74 that might be dead:(. They were all good drives, not sure what happened to the 74 gig. They are fast, but will you notice? You might not. If you also want space, the WD 750 gig drive is VERY fast and the same price. I also own that drive and can see it is quick. Both are quiet as well. Otherwise, you can do what Iamboman says and raid 0 two 250gig drives.

If you want to build something in a few years, you'll have that extra 4 grand to spend on it. By then, what you have now will be "slow" compared to it, although I think the current quads won't show much aging for a while in common tasks and even gaming. Video cards are what matter for gaming honestly.

With the parts that I have listed (and most people here agree on), you can OC your q6600 to at least 3.2ghz if not 3.6ghz 400x8 or 400x9 (not sure how high you can push it on air having not done that yet). Plus your ram timings would be more than enough for gaming.

So go on, buy it already! You're making me want to go out and build another computer and thats bad since I'm broke!

Good luck!

MysLex

10-07-2007, 08:03 AM

Spawne32

10-07-2007, 08:28 AM

thanks guys, you really helped me out, all of you!

Theres only one problem really, Its about the Fans, The Yateloons arent buyable in sweden, unless I ship them from US, But I currently havent found a store that ships internationall and besides sells the Yate Loon fans. It would be awesome if you guys Could hook me up with a URL to a shop wich shipinternationall and sells the yateloon fans or has similar fans to a reasonable price.

That'd be final-
Yours Sincerely
Alex

If you want me to help you out with getting them, i can, just send me a PM, another option for you would be to look for fans by "Noiseblocker" i think they are called, excellent fans according to SPCR, only sold in europe and asia tho.

MysLex

10-07-2007, 09:16 AM

If you want me to help you out with getting them, i can, just send me a PM, another option for you would be to look for fans by "Noiseblocker" i think they are called, excellent fans according to SPCR, only sold in europe and asia tho.

Yeah, Im think about it, It would be awesome if you could help me out, you see..
The noise blocker fans are sold at a price of 21€ each, including the shipping costs (they arent sold in sweden) from ETC. Germany, is 4€ Each, ending up in 25€ each, and since im in need for approximately 6-8, that'd be hella expensive..

Ill ship out a PM buddy, cheers!

Yours sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

10-07-2007, 01:33 PM

Alex go to Petra's (http://www.petrastechshop.com/120x25mmfans.html) and get them. He ships every were :up:

adamsleath

10-07-2007, 02:25 PM

seasonic m12 700W :lol: quality psu
it's more than you need but it's a goodun.

im sure 620hx would serve just as well.

So what you're both saying is, Go with the P35 chipset, the DDR2 memories and the 8800GTX for now, and upgrade to X38 and DDR3 later when the prices dropped and the performance gain actually is worth the price for a 'gamer' as myself?
:yepp:

LogAn'sRun

10-10-2007, 05:26 AM

Mslex wait!!!!!!

I hope that you haven't ordered anything yet from the US. Have you thought about moms?? I'll tell you now, you will get r*ped by tull for everything that you order and gets shipped from the US. If you aren't aware of the laws, remember that moms is slapped on EVERY ITEM that is purchased outside the EU. So just add 25% to all your pricing if you want to buy from the US.
In my own expereince, it's easier to do one of the following:

1) Have friends or relatives that can personally ship items to you, so that it comes from an individual and not a business. PM me for other considerations on how to aviod costs here.

2) look for super cheap weekends in DN or SvD that fly to NYC or somehwere on the east coast. Weekends could cost you anywhere from 2000-3000sek and you will more than make up the costs in savings on parts. This way, as of today, most airlines allow you 2x32kg bags for international flights (I just came back on Monday from the West Coast and flew with BA, so I know baggage allowance) plus the rule on hand luggage is a medium sized bag (which fits nicely a p35 mobo and an 8800 GT because that's what I had in it :D ) that you can lift above your head. Strange rule, but I know I had like 10kgs in my carry-on and could have had a PSU in there if it would have fit.

3) Most US sites will take PAYPAL accounts, if you don't have one, get one. One of the only sticklers to the PayPal rule was Newegg because they still wanted your paypal account to be with a US CC. lame. Anyway, believe it or not, amazon.com is your friend. I was able to pick up 2 Raptor X for the same price as newegg and pay with my swedish CC.

4) When it comes to cases and PSU's, most SWE sites have very competitive pricing as the US (if you count what shipping a 4.5kg LianLi case and a 2kg PSU costs).
Try: webhallen.com (retail store in Sthlm)
komplett.se
datorbutiken.se (fast shipping)
dayhost.se (really good guys here)
pcstore.se
kyllning.se

that's just a few of the sites that are reputable and have good products. Depending on where you live, there could be plenty of brick and mortar shops that would give you discounts based upon what and how much you spend with them. Remember to check out sweclockers.se and techsweden.org for a little modding and advice.

5) If you game, hope to see you on r60.org, ED, and CAL!!!!

GL HF

MysLex

10-11-2007, 02:21 AM

MysLex

10-11-2007, 03:25 AM

Hello again,
Thank you for your post LogAn!~
I havent ordered anything yet, cause there has been a minor budget issue ;)
I was doing it in the end of the month, and i did think about the shipping cost.. funny enough you just mentioned it~ I would have to go back to square (two), since i have the parts i want allready, but no place in sweden to buy them.

Ill have to look it all into again, and thank you for your post, it helped me alot.

Ill be back with a update soon enough.

Yours sincerely
Alex

I looked into it and I found out that buying the items from sweden would result in the same approximate price~ so ill be buying it from sweden, its still the same list tho, and ill post a short list here so you ppl can look into it if you'd like^_^;!

Will be ordering the items at the end of the month because i had some economical issues, hope this wont let you hopes down! it will be completed! ^_^;
Luv u guys ;)

Yours sincerely
Alex

EDIT;;

EVGA e-GeForce 8800GTX
5 195:-
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=338883

ABIT IP35 PRO
1.649:-
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=335649

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 g0
2 294:-
http://www.inet.se/datorkomponenter/processorer/intel-core-2-quad-6600-2-4ghz/5309844/

Thermalright - Ultra-120 eXtreme
559:-
http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=76174

Crucial Ballistix DDR2 PC8500
1 195:-
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=334571

620W Corsair CMPSU-620HXEU
1 171:-
http://www.inet.se/datorkomponenter/naetaggregat/620w-corsair-cmpsu-620hxeu/6909436/

150GB Western Digital Raptor X
1 757:-
http://www.inet.se/datorkomponenter/haarddiskar/150gb-western-digital-raptor-x--10000rpm/4302830/

500GB Seagate Barracuda
980:-
https://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.aspx?vat=true&Product=SGB10-500S2

Lite-On LH-20A1L
298:-
http://www.shg.biz/link.asp?goto=infobox&varenr=2104126&ref=prisjakt.nu

Sony Diskettstation (Floppy) 3,5'' - Svart
79:-
http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=44314

CM Stacker 832, Maxitower, Aluminium
2 066:-
http://www.shg.biz/link.asp?goto=infobox&varenr=2081514&ref=prisjakt.nu

Oh and, someone mentioned I wont need the power of PC2-8500 and thought i should'v gone with PC2-6400 memories, Any information on this etc?~ Dont differ that much in price so I dont really care.

Thank you!

adamsleath

10-11-2007, 05:04 AM

pc8500 vs 6400 ballistix...i doubt you'll notice any difference.
id be happy with either.

[XC] mysticmerlin

10-11-2007, 12:49 PM

Oh and, someone mentioned I wont need the power of PC2-8500 and thought i should'v gone with PC2-6400 memories, Any information on this etc?~ Dont differ that much in price so I dont really care.

Thank you!

I'd stick with the 8500 for head room in OCing

MysLex

10-12-2007, 02:44 AM

Thanks guys, Im all set,
Will order in the end of the month~

Pictures will come
Yours sincerely-
Alex

LogAn'sRun

10-12-2007, 05:17 AM

I'd change out that Seagate for this one instead

32mb cache SATA 7200.11 (https://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.aspx?vat=true&Product=SGB10-500S2)

MysLex

10-14-2007, 05:11 AM

I'd change out that Seagate for this one instead

32mb cache SATA 7200.11 (https://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.aspx?vat=true&Product=SGB10-500S2)

hehe, you linked to the one with 16 mb cache, as i did, what you mean is;

https://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.aspx?vat=true&Product=SGB10-500S2

Right?
Yours sincerely-
Alex

2k7zero

10-14-2007, 11:07 AM

I don't know if this is too late but here are some recommendations:

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Quad Silencer 750wts $200 (Best on the Market Brand) (edit: get the black one not the copper one trust me.)

Case: Get the CM Stacker 810. Why? Well because for such a build I would recommend a custom liquid cooling system http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70 and the stacker is one of the easiest case to work with for a liquid cooling system.

LogAn'sRun

10-15-2007, 12:18 AM

Haha Mys!

There must be some glitch with the links, because it keeps coming up as the 16mb. Whatever, if you search for 7200.11 on their site, you get the right 500GB I was refering to.

@2K7zero Nice PSU. SHame it's not avilable in sweden. . .

2k7zero

10-15-2007, 12:25 PM

@ LogAN'sRun I believe OCZ recently acquired PC P & Cooling and is selling the psu through their channels in Europe. Check to make sure and I still strongly recommend a liquid Cooling System.

MysLex

10-16-2007, 03:28 AM

@ LogAN'sRun I believe OCZ recently acquired PC P & Cooling and is selling the psu through their channels in Europe. Check to make sure and I still strongly recommend a liquid Cooling System.

Hello, and thanks!
Ill be sure to check for the PSU, And while on the cooling subject, I'd like to add that I have not the slightest experience with water cooling, I tried read through the Water cooling forum quickly enough, and couldn't quite seem to understand; how..
I have not the slightest clue what parts to get, where to get em' from etc, but ill be sure to try look through the Water cooling forum again. If you wouldn't mind, feel free to advice me on parts etc~ as i understand that a premade cooling system isn't that good..

Yours sincerely
Alex

EDIT::

Logan! I found out what was wrong with the link and its been fixed here;

https://www.datorbutiken.com/se/Navigation/Details.aspx?Product=SGB11-500S2

Correct? MVH ;-)

EDIT::

2k7zero! I think i found the link, is this the one you're referring too?
http://www.pcpower.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=S75QB

Sincerely

MysLex

10-18-2007, 02:23 AM

oh and , about the PSU from PC POWER, its not 'EU'Certified~~ It has a different plugin' type and different input etcetc..

*cry*
Anyways. update coming up~!

2k7zero

10-19-2007, 05:20 AM

Call PC and P just to make sure. I was writing a liquid cooling shop list and tips but one click made it vanish, so just read up on the stickies and guides and ask questions on things you are unsure of. You won't know everything in a day or two, just like PC building. Give it a week or 2 to prepare. When you make a thread clearly state what you are going to use if for, specs, your budget, and your willingness to mod things. Also tell them you've read the stickies and below list questions. Gd luck m8. I'll stop by at your thread, if you make one, to add some comments here and there.

LogAn'sRun

10-19-2007, 10:18 PM

@mys: ya, that was the right link ;)

About the PC&P PSU, they WILL make it EU-able for you if you call them. But then it's a ship issue again, like the PSU will weigh little over a kilo, cost you a couple hundred to buy, prolly 50 bucks to ship, and then 25%VAT. Still want one?
If you go to the PSU section, there are fantastic stickies that outline similiar tiered PSU's that you can get here in the EU. Much cheaper.

MysLex

10-20-2007, 05:23 AM

2k7zero

10-21-2007, 04:43 PM

LogAn is correct. But things could have changed by now so check to make sure. Have you made a thread at the liquid cooling forums yet? If so link me.

MysLex

10-22-2007, 01:16 AM

LogAn is correct. But things could have changed by now so check to make sure. Have you made a thread at the liquid cooling forums yet? If so link me.

hey mate,
Im sorry I havent done the Liquid cooling post yet, im considering doing it right now. Just gonna do some reading.. Ill post the URL to the liquid cooling system post here, ~

Sincerely

MysLex

11-03-2007, 08:36 AM

Allright, time has come to an end, I have one last thing to get rid of before i execute the grand finale, buying all the stuff. *im sorry for the delay*

But I have to ask one more thing..
Now that the 8800GT cards has been released, Whats your oppinion on buying two of those cards instead of one 8800GTX, and put them into a SLI configuration.
And If I do that SLI configuration, Does ABIT Pro IP-35 Support SLI? And same goes for the 620W Corsair?

Yours sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

11-03-2007, 12:30 PM

1. Yes on the 2 8800gt sli'ed
2. No the P35 chipset is not SLI you will need a 680i or 790i based motherboard for true SLI.
3. 8800GT's have only one plug per card so if the Corsair has 2x 6pin then you are good to go there.
Hope that helped :up:

MysLex

11-03-2007, 01:28 PM

mysticmerlin;2532031']1. Yes on the 2 8800gt sli'ed
2. No the P35 chipset is not SLI you will need a 680i or 790i based motherboard for true SLI.
3. 8800GT's have only one plug per card so if the Corsair has 2x 6pin then you are good to go there.
Hope that helped :up:

Okay fair enough, And If I decide to ony go with 1x 8800GT card, Does the Abit IP35 PRO Motherboard have PCIe 2.0 ? I couldnt find anything about it on Abits webpage, Would love if someone could verify this. Thanks

Yours sincerely
Alex

[XC] mysticmerlin

11-03-2007, 01:47 PM

iirc the X38 is the first to come out with 2.0 PCIe I could be wrong though.
If you want to go Sli though go like with the eVga 680i board. Good solid board and diecent OC'er for a nVidia chip set.

MysLex

11-03-2007, 04:50 PM

Im just gonna post it here aswell... Thank you~

Dear Xtremesystems,
I did a post a while back about me building my new gaming rig,
And I got alot of great answers and help. The whole idea with the build would to be as 'future proof' as possible, so I did some thinking.
We're in the middle of evolution, X38 chipsets, DDR3, New graphics card such as GeForce 9800 and Radeon 3850, Penryn and Phenom, you name it..

I had some serious trouble choosing of that I was gonna buy for my rig but I decided to go with a Asus 8800 GT Card, a Abit IP35 PRO, crucial ballistix PC2-8500 mem's, and a Intel Q6600.

But then it got me thinking.. AMD' is soon to release the Phenom Technology, and as far as im concerned, I wont need a 'X38' chipset *lol*, as for intels new processors, -I can just Basically use my old Motherboard and use the New Processor, (CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG PLEASE).

So i went through some forums and I found a (MAYBE) solution for my futureproof problem..

Im planning on upgrading in the future, And If I was going to upgrade from my Q6600 to a newer intel processor that required a X38 chipset, I would Basically need to upgrade my Whole Rig, not just the processor. I would have to change my processor to a newer intel series that required a X38 Chipset -> Change my Motherboard to a X38 chipset, Found one that worked with DDR2, OR upgrade to DDR3 (Another obstacle).

SO I thought to my self.. Phenom will be released soon, hopefully within the next month, (correct me if im wrong)
And for that (again) I wouldnt need to change my motherboard, I could use my old one if i had a AMD processor,

SO -> To the point
Basically I was thinking, I get a Motherboard that supports AMD processors instead, -> I get myself a ;;;

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2GHz Socket AM2,1MB, BOXED w/fan

For approximately ~100 bucks~
~And a compatlible Motherboard(!),.. Then I could just in the future buy a Phenom Processor by AMD, And It would Fit.(?) Am I wrong?

By Doing this I could save myself a 'Fortune' , well a few hunred bucks atleast?
Whats your oppinion in doing this? I read through the AMD forums and found out that the Phenom Processor gave approx the same performance as some of the later Intel Processors did?, Am i wrong?

I surely need some guidance here because tomorrow I was going to order all the stuff, so It would mean alot to me if someone could clearify my questions for me..
And please, I have NO WHAT SO EVER experience with AMD before, So if someone would be a kind enough to recomend me a good and hopefully, somewhat futureproof AMD compatible Motherboard, Hopefully that supports Phenom Processor..

Basically What im wondering in generall is if todays motherboards,,, are they compatible with 'futures' Phenom Processors, ARE THEY THE SAME SOCKET?

Would be awesome if someone could clearify,
And in advance I would like to apologize for all the mistakes i wrote in this post or for any repeated sentences, its really late.. With that said..
Sorry for the long read~

Thank you in advance
yours sincerely
Alex

EDIT::
***I was mainly thinking of The Phenom Processor 'X4 9600 quad' , instead of the Q6600.***
***As far as im concerned the ''AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2GHz Socket AM2,1MB, BOXED w/fan'' Is AM2 Socket, And So Is the Phenom, X4 9600 Quad, Right?***
***How does this Motherboard work? ''Gigabyte MA790FX DQ6''***

[XC] mysticmerlin

11-04-2007, 03:31 AM

I left AMD land after the 939's so I am out on this question. sry :shrug:

nn_step

11-04-2007, 03:29 PM

Im just gonna post it here aswell... Thank you~

EDIT::
***I was mainly thinking of The Phenom Processor 'X4 9600 quad' , instead of the Q6600.***
***As far as im concerned the ''AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2GHz Socket AM2,1MB, BOXED w/fan'' Is AM2 Socket, And So Is the Phenom, X4 9600 Quad, Right?***
***How does this Motherboard work? ''Gigabyte MA790FX DQ6''***

Ok, at this exact second AMD's Quad cores are only available in Socket F (which is their 2+P server socket) But later Quad cores will be coming to socket AM2. So if you want Quad core right NOW on a desktop board, you are kinda stuck with Intel, but if you are planning on upgrading later AMD is definitely an Option and AMD's 790 boards are excellent if you can find them.

adamsleath

11-04-2007, 04:04 PM

MysLex

11-05-2007, 04:36 AM

just wait until christmas and you'll have even more choices and the same with q1 08...:p:

23rd sep thread start
5th nov today

if amd sli then 790 (too close to ignore imo)
if intel id stick with value p35 board.

& i think new/just around the corner gcards are too close to ignore also :8800gt/hd3850or70/g92 gts/& more to come in q108 i believe.

Thank you for your reply,
Ive decided to go with the P35 and Q6600 then in about 6 months or so ill be chahging towards Penryn etc.~ Cause im in bad need of a new computer.

But I have one thing to ask before I order these items.

As for now, Nearly All the Nvidia GeForce 8800GT cards are sold out in Sweden, and there are only cards by etc. Leadtek left.
ex: Leadtek GeForce WinFast PX8800 GT 512MB

I was wondering, It differs around $20 per card, and I wonder whats the differences between the card in performance?,
Is the ASUS GF 8800GT card better then the Leadtek one in performance?

ASUS: Asus GeForce Extreme N8800GT/G/HTDP 512MB
Leadtek: Leadtek GeForce WinFast PX8800 GT 512MB

If someone could clearify, I would be happy!

Yours sincerely
Alexander