prescott will have its own new socket

[saaya]

LOL!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10438

its intel again... :stick:

enjoy your 875/865 board? too bad but it seems youll have to buy a new board for the prescotts... it will have the same amount as the 875/865 and probably be just a new revison of the 875/865 with some twisted pins, why? intel wants more money is the answer i guess ^^

oh and the second board for the higher prescott cpus will cost you even more money errr have even more pins :rolleyes:

and thats REALLY weird because afaik there are only 3 prescotts planned anyway! 3.4 3.6 and 3.8ghz... so there will be a board that only runs 3.4ghz prescotts or a board that only runs 3.8ghz prescotts?

maybe intel has plans to solder their cpus on their boards like via doesand sell them bundled? :rotf:

[Johnny Knoxvill]

well companies like Asus will be wide open to lawsuits because they claim "New power design supports Intel® next generation Prescott CPU!! "
So i'll be asking them for a new motherboard which does support the Prescotts :cool:
Think about it new springdale/canterwood motherboards will come out probably in around november, and the only future prescotts they will support is those 478 pin ones, that will be obsolete in the market by january/february next year when new motherboards will come out that will only support prescotts up to 3.8ghz, they will then add more pins again. This majorly blows :upset:

As for Intel, how many times a year are they changing chipsets now :mad:

[nikhsub1]

Is Intel just TRYING to pizz everyone off? I don't get this move at all... I was going to wait for a new mobo when PCI-X and DDRII come along and slap a Prescott in my IC7. Now who knows?

[mdzcpa]

As they say....The more things change the more they stay the same.

Disappointing but not unexpected.

[OPPAINTER]

The view from Overclockers.com
http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=81&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

OPP

[mdzcpa]

Mmmm...good linkage there OPP. Now to find out who has support, and who doesn't;)

[Dissolved]

i was thinking about buying a IC7.. but now i might just get a nf7-s 2.0 and forget getting an intel untill abit makes a newer mobo with better features :)

[rashio]

so can the asus p4p800 support the prescott?
if not which mobos do now?

[saaya]

i wouldnt be surprised if intel changes something on the prescotts sdo they dont even run on the boards supporting the new voltage standards...

this is exactly the same thing that happened with the P3 coppermine-> P3 tualatin...

exactly... i wonder the mobo manufacturers didnt notice it. it was 100% the same thing. diferent signal voltage and lower cpu core voltages that need to be supplyied and read correctly by the mobos...

but since prescott has the PNI and a new hyperthreading i wouldnt be surprised at all if no boards on the market right now can run a presott stable... just like the intel guy told anandtech.

[charlie]

I read an article somewhere (and can't remember where) that the FIRST Prescott...the 3.4 will be 478 pin and CW compatible.
Now the 3.6 and 3.8 Prescotts will switch over to a new pin configuration, lots of pins...all across the pcb. Probably "Grantsdale" which will in turn support "Tejas".
So IMHO, no real stability in Intel pieces until Q1 2004.
C

[AZN]

Originally posted by Johnny Knoxvill
well companies like Asus will be wide open to lawsuits because they claim "New power design supports Intel® next generation Prescott CPU!! "
So i'll be asking them for a new motherboard which does support the Prescotts :cool:
Think about it new springdale/canterwood motherboards will come out probably in around november, and the only future prescotts they will support is those 478 pin ones, that will be obsolete in the market by january/february next year when new motherboards will come out that will only support prescotts up to 3.8ghz, they will then add more pins again. This majorly blows :upset:

As for Intel, how many times a year are they changing chipsets now :mad:
that just pisses me off. i wonder if asus will let us exchange our boards out for prescott, its wishfull thinking but we'll see.

[Ewok]

Originally posted by AZN
that just pisses me off. i wonder if asus will let us exchange our boards out for prescott, its wishfull thinking but we'll see.

LOL you must be on drugs. They wont exchange it for a faulty promise raid on the thing (as is on EVERY non -E version of the board), they sure as hell wont exchange it just cos u want a new cpu.

[AZN]

Originally posted by Ewok
LOL you must be on drugs. They wont exchange it for a faulty promise raid on the thing (as is on EVERY non -E version of the board), they sure as hell wont exchange it just cos u want a new cpu.
im not on drugs u ass :grr: i just said i wonder if they will lets us and i said it was wishfull thinking cuzz i doubt they will but if they said that the board will support prescott which i believe they said for the p4p800 then they might have a lawsuit. be nice before i :slap: u.

[NWEng]

Even if this was true, by the time the procs and boards came out and were affordable, it's gonna be about upgrade time anyway. I wouldn't sweat it until it happens and enjoy the system you got until then. The initial post was just to yank your chain and get a reaction.


:cool:

[AZN]

hows that for my reaction?
let me give u a short history of me and my intel chips and boards for this year alone.

beginning of this year 2003
I had a 2.26 chip with a abit th7ii board rdram.
about april-may when the SL6RZ came out I bought about 7 chips and hit 3.4ghz and up on each chip then sold every1 last 1 i had but not before upgrading to a asus p4g8x granitebay which cost me $200.
this board last me about 1 month till the D1 stepping came out then i bought a 2.4c and since this dumb granitebay only had 1:1 ratio for ram i couldnt do jack sh.. with the board so i had to get the canterwood asus.
now this board i have been using for say 1-2 months and in the 4th quarter of this year which is a couple months away intel is making me buy yet another board so heck yes im pissed off.
I got a $200 granite board collecting dust on the shelf cuzz right now its only worth like $75 when i just paid $200 only a couple months ago. I honestly dont understand y intels prescotts can't run on the current canter and sprindale boards. I can understand new sockets but comon whats the difference with prescott besides speed? its the same 800fsb has 1mb cache but what else? y wont it work on my canter board?

[jinu117]

Rarely do I keep my board for a year (well as in upgrades... the system becomes my 2nd or 3rd system typically and get phased out to people I know). Actually, about every 6 months I swap it seems... I don't know how many of you here would be "really" angry if they went ahead and made it incompatible. I have a feeling I won't be jumping into prescott until new socket design settles anyway.
A little diaapointing "news" but we shall see.

[saaya]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20030712011416.html

no current available maniboard supports any prescott cpu...

i wonder what asus will do now...

[Pandion]

I did some reading trying to figure out if my IC7-G would support the Prescott..

Will there be a socket 478 Prescott? X-bit labs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20030712011416.html) says there will..

..the forthcoming Socket 478 chip.
So what about the voltage and stuff in the X-bit labs and overclockers.com article (http://www.overclockers.com/tips00424/)s:


..865/875 boards must support the VRD 10.0 (this is a name change for the VRM standard, see page 24 of the datasheet mentioned above) standard. The VRD 10.0 provides for voltage down to 0.8375. Prescott is supposed to have a default voltage of 1.225V. Motherboards that are supposed to support both Northwoods and Prescotts will need a little extra circuitry to identify the processor type and provide the correct voltage (and voltage slope), but Intel describes just how that can be done.
Well in the abit-usa.com FAQ for the IC7-G (http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/faq.php?categories=1&model=4) I found this:


Intel recommends the new power design VRD10 for 875P boards, and ABIT IC7 series follow this design guideline. It supports the CPU core voltage from 0.8375 to 1.6 V

I think there's a chance it could work, but I still don't know :D

[Tweaked!]

Pandion,
Welcome to Xtreme:)

[Pandion]

Thanks, Tweaked!

[saaya]

from what ive heard intel changed some things so the prescotts will not run on any boards out yet. they want everybody to buy a new board and make more money.

478pins doesnt mean it will fit o work in a 478 nortwood board... im sure they changed some pins...

[Sick0fthelies]

Originally posted by saaya
from what ive heard intel changed some things so the prescotts will not run on any boards out yet. they want everybody to buy a new board and make more money.

478pins doesnt mean it will fit o work in a 478 nortwood board... im sure they changed some pins...

That really wouldnt surprise me in the least. Fortunately, i havent bought an intel board for the new 800mhz chips yet ( too poor, using the old AMD's). Im thinking if the new amd chips are pretty bad ill go with the prescott as my next upgrade.

[mdzcpa]

Based on my historical buying patterns, by the time Prescott comes out, I'll be ready for another board anyway:)

[deeznuts]

Originally posted by saaya
from what ive heard intel changed some things so the prescotts will not run on any boards out yet. they want everybody to buy a new board and make more money.



according to all the articles posted here, the reason for the possible incompatibility seems to be the VRD 10.0 design specification.

well if you read the canterwood design guide, from intel, it was put in there, it is up to the manufacturers to follow it or not. abit has said they have complied, so has gigabyte.

what makes you so sure that it isn't the mobo manufacturers that are out for the money? what makes you sure it isn't some company that realizes they have a PR nightmare on hand (because they didn't comply) that is starting all these rumors?

[Schneider]

Actually the real problem is the FBM 1.5 standard. Gigabyte still claims that their boards support the prescott cpu as they designed there motherboards with FBM 2.0 and VRM 10.0 standard. Gigabyte says that these are still rumors and may not be true.
All the VRM 10.0 standard is that ur motherboard supports voltages from 0.8375 to 1.6v+, and all 865/875 boards should be able to do that.
:explode: :ROTF:

[saaya]

according to all the articles posted here, the reason for the possible incompatibility seems to be the VRD 10.0 design specification.

well if you read the canterwood design guide, from intel, it was put in there, it is up to the manufacturers to follow it or not. abit has said they have complied, so has gigabyte.

what makes you so sure that it isn't the mobo manufacturers that are out for the money? what makes you sure it isn't some company that realizes they have a PR nightmare on hand (because they didn't comply) that is starting all these rumors?.

why i think so? ive seen the P3 coppermine come and go, ive seen the P3 tualatin come and go, ive seen the P4 423 come and go ;)

the very same thing has already happened over and over again... its nothing new... thats intel :stick:

thats one of the many reasons ill never go intel again... at least as long as amd is still alive :/

[mkleingeld]

What I'm curious about is whether my Prometeia would fit the 478 Prescot if that comes out. I'm waiting for my next upgrade for that.
I'll buy a new board for that when the Prescot will be available.
I'm so anxious to know what that might bring, a .9 micron prescot with prommie :)