Bye-Bye Deathadder, Hello G9.

[v a d e R`]

Well guys as some may know I got a Deathadder for my birthday recently. The mouse was awesome and I didn't think the G9 would interest me. However, I saw a deal of the G9 for $70-$15MiR = $55 total which is $10 cheaper than what was paid for my Deathadder. So I'm going to return my Deathadder, and I have ordered a G9 that should be here in a couple of weeks

Reason I ordered the G9:
Cheaper after MiR
Logitech support > Razer from what I've heard
MX Revolution scroll wheel ftw!
3200 DPI :O
New Laser engine :O
Interchangeable plates
LEDs
Weights

Now I'm probably not going to use the weights too much, or the plates but it's cheaper and better.

Discuss my decision <3


PS: The reviews I read on the G9(3 so far) have said that this mouse is fantastic and pretty much the best =]

[ChaosMinionX]

I dunno how large hand friendly it is, generally I like to be able to rest my palm on things.

[v a d e R`]

I dunno how large hand friendly it is, generally I like to be able to rest my palm on things.

The attachment with it has a wide hand one wear there is good space to rest your palm :)

[Ad1tya]

Optical > Laser.

People will never know that.

Laser is just not developed enough, and it isnt as accurate as Optical. I dont think it ever will be either.

[v a d e R`]

I dunno the G5 mouse was touted to have a great sensor for everyday use, only place where it was worse were the benchmarks and this is basically the second/third gen of laser engines so I'm pretty sure logitech would get their stuff right by now.

[Angelz]

Why u didn't choose new Razer gear Lachesis (http://www.razerzone.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=72)?

[Exedy]

Steelpad IME 3.0SS ( legendary explorer 3.0 ) 9000fps optical 25g ;)

http://www.steelseries.com/images/31/1091-1301.jpg

$65 at steelseries.com

When you get your hands on g9 please talk about design and confort, perform seems really good and Logitech/Razer gear ftw

[Serra]

Optical > Laser.

People will never know that.

Laser is just not developed enough, and it isnt as accurate as Optical. I dont think it ever will be either.

Out of curiosity, what makes you say this? I'm not a gamer so it's never really made a difference to me which I buy... but I've never heard this before when performing my due diligence when I have to purchase a mouse.

As far as I can tell, laser mice have a significantly higher maximum dpi potential, can track surfaces better by greater than one order of magnitude, perform better on glossy surfaces, etc. I really just can't see a downside to them. Assuming all else is equal, your mouse does two things: checks when its moving and reports back to the computer to relay that information... and given the laser mouse seems better at the former and you can get varieties which are equal at the latter... one would draw the conclusion that laser > optical.

[ripken204]

Out of curiosity, what makes you say this? I'm not a gamer so it's never really made a difference to me which I buy... but I've never heard this before when performing my due diligence when I have to purchase a mouse.

As far as I can tell, laser mice have a significantly higher maximum dpi potential, can track surfaces better by greater than one order of magnitude, perform better on glossy surfaces, etc. I really just can't see a downside to them. Assuming all else is equal, your mouse does two things: checks when its moving and reports back to the computer to relay that information... and given the laser mouse seems better at the former and you can get varieties which are equal at the latter... one would draw the conclusion that laser > optical.

i actually read that in alot of places too. i was looking to get a G5 and decided not to. alot of the things that i read said that optical tracks better. google for MX518 vs G5

[ChaosMinionX]

Out of benchmarking like tracking on a turntable yes.....everyday use and gaming you wont see a difference. Especially with a G5 or G9 at 2000DPI with the USB turned up to 1000hz.

Optical vs Laser these days is like LCD vs CRT users, they all defend their choice to the death, and performance differences can be chalked up for the latter, as well as benefits of newer tech, but its all coming in line to being equal, and laser will surpass optical in everything eventually.

[7499richard]

CRT's are way better then LCD...hhahaha

it is a fact though...

[AliG]

Just one question, why do you want a g9? So it's cheaper, I think many people will agree with me that dpi isn't everything and that logitech has dropped the ball a bit on this one as imo it is just hideous.

Good luck with it and I hope you enjoy yourself, I just can't dream of buying one myself, I'm content with the g7 anyways

[ChaosMinionX]

CRT's are way better then LCD...hhahaha

it is a fact though...

Not so much anymore, especially if you buy the highend LCDs :)

[day187]

i have a G7 and i just brought a Razer black adder and it way better than the G7

One G7 for sale :)

[NickS]

CRT's are way better then LCD...hhahaha

it is a fact though...

Probably, but LCD's are more pleasing to the eye :)

[afireinside]

CRTs look far better than LCDs and its a fact. Hell, current LCDs are worse than old LCDs. Good luck finding an S-IPS panel anymore. Everything is TN or PVA.

Now the difference here is: Finding a widescreen CRT is a nightmare and you can't really buy new CRTs anymore. Laser/optical isn't like that. Laser has negative acceleration. Even if YOU don't notice a difference wouldn't it make sense to buy the best possible technology? It's like buying AMD when Intel is faster, just because you can't tell a difference when browsing the internet.

[ChaosMinionX]

Where would one be able to tell the difference?

[afireinside]

When you play at top levels of competition with money on the line you tend to notice things the casual internet browser doesn't...

[v a d e R`]

The G9 isn't hideous. It's liked by some hated by others, imo the G5 looks bad. The g9 will be awesome =] I can feel it >=3

[ChaosMinionX]

So why do companies like logitech release new "laser" mice as their flagship product? Why not improve optical?

[XSAlliN]

CRTs look far better than LCDs and its a fact. Hell, current LCDs are worse than old LCDs. Good luck finding an S-IPS panel anymore. Everything is TN or PVA.

Now the difference here is: Finding a widescreen CRT is a nightmare and you can't really buy new CRTs anymore. Laser/optical isn't like that. Laser has negative acceleration. Even if YOU don't notice a difference wouldn't it make sense to buy the best possible technology? It's like buying AMD when Intel is faster, just because you can't tell a difference when browsing the internet.

Yeh, but after 5 hours of CRT my eyes burn like Hell. I own a CRT at home and work with a LCD at work. 8 Hours of LCD and I can still watch a movie or read a book. 4 - 5 Hours at my CRT from HOME and my eyes are red, watching a movie after that I can't read the subtitles no more, good thing I know english and of course reading a book would be out of question. :shakes:


So why do companies like logitech release new "laser" mice as their flagship product? Why not improve optical?

What it there to improve at Optical mice? :) - Razer moved to infrared for DeathAdder and switched back to laser for their latest mouse. They just have to find a way to improve the laser engine, not number of DPI. :rolleyes:

[v a d e R`]

So why do companies like logitech release new "laser" mice as their flagship product? Why not improve optical?

Because laser is the new technology...I'm sure optical wasn't very accurate when it first came out, now look at it. It's very good. Same will happen with laser(which btw I've never really found g5 to be inaccurate..) I'm not a photo developer im a desktop user and play some games doubt I'll notice th accuracy of the optical.

[XSAlliN]

Because laser is the new technology...I'm sure optical wasn't very accurate when it first came out, now look at it. It's very good. Same will happen with laser(which btw I've never really found g5 to be inaccurate..) I'm not a photo developer im a desktop user and play some games doubt I'll notice th accuracy of the optical.

Play some games, not a hardcore gamer, so why did you get the best mouse 4 gaming? :D

[v a d e R`]

Play some games, not a hardcore gamer, so why did you get the best mouse 4 gaming? :D

Because it was a good deal. It's not like I'm not a good gamer... cs 1.6 CAL playoffs and stuff but I mean I do both and I don't think anyone would really notice the difference.

[chunkylover77]

I just ordered it too Vader. I at first thought this mouse looked fugly but it has grown on me. Can't wait to test this puppy out. My G5 will be up for sale as well

[justin_c]

i just ordered a diamondback 3g in green from NCIX (pricematch from directcanada.com for 43.46), they do have the black logitech g7 for 49.99, which is 49percent off. might get both! (g7 is good for portable).

btw chunkylover, that quote is :rofl:

[v a d e R`]

I just ordered it too Vader. I at first thought this mouse looked fugly but it has grown on me. Can't wait to test this puppy out. My G5 will be up for sale as well

Yea same, it grew on me too :D

[Jodiuh]

So how is it compared to your DA? So far only the DA and MX518 have worked for me. I felt the Copperhead, Habu, G5/7 lacked precision when gaming I never could get comfy playing intense F.E.A.R. Combat or UT2K4 w/ the lasers. The DA's my fav engine, but it lacks too many usable buttons and the surface doesn't run cool like the MX518.

[Trox]

G9 is just a desesperated answer for Deathadder, and now even for lachesis.
Just new desing, more dpi and nothing else.

[v a d e R`]

@Jod: I don't have it yet, will ship on the 20th.

@Trox: Is that fanboy talk? Because, what does the lacheiss have new that other Razer mice don't have? The G9 has the improved weight system, second gen laser engine, customizable grips(which I read was very good), the awesome LEDs that can be any color on the spectrum :D, and a good amount of buttons. You said all the G9 had was an upped amount of DPI. The Razer has basically the buttons of the DB the body of an ambidextrous deathadder and nothing else. If you ask me, the lachesis is less of an improvement of the G9 (Not saying the lachesis bad, just showing what you said)

[Jodiuh]

I could care less for the fancy weight system or the LED's. What I do like's the HUGE replaceable mouse feet, large grips (2 of them!), and that sexy wheel. I'm pretty sure it's a new laser engine and what not w/ 3K dpi so maybe that'll finally work well enough for me.

[v a d e R`]

Yea I probably won't use the weight system or maybe I will who knows :P. Reason I chose this were support, wheel, grips, laser engine, just overall great features tbh :)

[Trox]

Logitech always behind :), Infrared Sensor (3gen Optical) is a lot better than previous generations sensors, i hope Lachesis sensor would be as good as the Deathadder one.
I think G9 only added some DPI to his sensor, calling it "2nd GEn" but i think that is just marketing.
Razer always "improve" what gaming mice is, then Logitech comes to copy some ideas from razer :)

[XSAlliN]

I think G9 only added some DPI to his sensor, calling it "2nd GEn" but i think that is just marketing.
Razer always "improve" what gaming mice is, then Logitech comes to copy some ideas from raze

Yep, 1800 dpi is more the enough - even this is to much. yep they sure did copy some features like the profiles button:



http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,i=162745,00.jpg

http://www.logitech.com/repository/416/jpg/3025.1.0.jpg

Added a new shape, extra DPI and launched a new mouse. Razer did the same with their latest mouse, but was not intended as a copy, since it has a new design and it's meant for both right and left handed wile DA is build for right handers only. It's a shame that big companies copy ideas from small ones, but that's reality. Can say Logitech always copied features from others since they had some original designs on their own but in this case they did. :shakes:

[NickS]

To those who said Logitech are always behind, weren't they the first with a Laser mouse? The MX1000? They had that out for a long time (AND it rocked any other wireless mouse ever made) before anyone else introduced laser.

[XSAlliN]

To those who said Logitech are always behind, weren't they the first with a Laser mouse? The MX1000? They had that out for a long time (AND it rocked any other wireless mouse ever made) before anyone else introduced laser.

That's a different story, cause Razer didn't copy Logitech - show me a Wireless Laser Mouse from razer. :p: - Razer even works on their own engine. :up:

[Jodiuh]

Well the time I spent w/ it consisted mainly of losing tracking at the most inopportune times. :( The MX1000 and every other laser mouse I've used just can't track as well as the DA's LED sensor. And now we've got no less than 3 (MS crazy big side button, Razer's lazzachazzasauras, and the of course the g9) more laser mice coming out.

I really shouldn't complain tho. The MX518 has served me well since release. I'm just envious of all the new features on the other mice...namely replaceable pads, DA LED engine, and that killer wheel on the g9.

Let us know when you get it vader!

EDIT: What laser mice have you used vader? Did you notice a difference in precision and tracking compared w/ the DA?

[Trox]

Yep, 1800 dpi is more the enough - even this is to much. yep they sure did copy some features like the profiles button:



http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/16/0,1425,i=162745,00.jpg

http://www.logitech.com/repository/416/jpg/3025.1.0.jpg

Added a new shape, extra DPI and launched a new mouse. Razer did the same with their latest mouse, but was not intended as a copy, since it has a new design and it's meant for both right and left handed wile DA is build for right handers only. It's a shame that big companies copy ideas from small ones, but that's reality. Can say Logitech always copied features from others since they had some original designs on their own but in this case they did. :shakes:

Razer Lachesis sensor is new indeed, like DA one,this new laser sensor improved a lot the IPS from 2gen and 1gen laser mices, i hope it perfoms better than DA inclusive.

Razer works and desings his owns sensor, while logitech uses third-party OEM sensors and eqquip their mouses with them, and every company can afford them, so lets say OCZ brings new "Gaming Mice", this mice will be with a third-party OEM, not with a exclusive engine desinged by them, like razer does.


Edit : First 2000 dpi mouse was made by razer (Boomslang) , i dont know about first laser

[JoeBar]

To those who said Logitech are always behind, weren't they the first with a Laser mouse? The MX1000? They had that out for a long time (AND it rocked any other wireless mouse ever made) before anyone else introduced laser.
MX1000 was a good wireless mouse but G7 is better... ;)

[Jodiuh]

I don't recall the name, but the laser engine's in both Razer's Copperhead and Logitech's G5 were made by the same company.

[justin_c]

avago and agilent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razer_USA_Ltd

has anybody tried the diamondback 3g?

[Jodiuh]

agilent, that sounds familiar.

[Emerica]

Out of benchmarking like tracking on a turntable yes.....everyday use and gaming you wont see a difference. Especially with a G5 or G9 at 2000DPI with the USB turned up to 1000hz.

Optical vs Laser these days is like LCD vs CRT users, they all defend their choice to the death, and performance differences can be chalked up for the latter, as well as benefits of newer tech, but its all coming in line to being equal, and laser will surpass optical in everything eventually.

Wow, real good comparison. I agree 100%.

[drtitanium0]

Wow, real good comparison. I agree 100%.

Yeah, I second that.

[ChaosMinionX]

At least I didnt come completely off base in the arguments in the peripheral battles of today ;)

[v a d e R`]

G9 has been shipped. Should be here tomorrow =]

[ChaosMinionX]

Ordered from NewEgg.... will have it in 2days :)

EDIT: Speaking of course of the G9, and I have a rather big hand...not fat but big seeming how I am 6'5 :) Will give impressions between different grips and its performance in relation to the G5...

[Jodiuh]

We expect impressions now...don't go get lost in a crysis mp beta or something, ok?

[v a d e R`]

We expect impressions now...don't go get lost in a crysis mp beta or something, ok?

Nah, tbh I wont be able to use the g9 till the weekend. WAY too busy with football and school T_T

[v a d e R`]

Got it today, and OMFG best mouse ever please?!

Side buttons are totally SILENT

The changeable grips really is useful

The new weight system = pwnage

The new software=pwnage

The full spectrum color LEDs=pwnage

The 3200 DPI + laser engine = pwnage

The awesome scroll wheel =pwnage

This mouse > Deathadder/MX518!!!!

Once again Logitech has a great new product =]

[Jodiuh]

In games man! Like FEAR Combat or UT2K4...more precision than the DA?! I always felt like the G5 couldn't keep up sometimes and did not care for it at all. Did you like that one?

[v a d e R`]

Never used the G5. But yes, the G9 has more precision for em than the deathadder. The deathadder never felt that impressive to me, but the G9 is blowing me a way 200-3200 DPI ftw :)

[ChaosMinionX]

Great news vader.... cant wait till mine gets here its about 30,000ft up right now and on its way :D

[v a d e R`]

Great news vader.... cant wait till mine gets here its about 30,000ft up right now and on its way :D

I'm sure you'll enjoy it :) I thought I'd prefer the wide load grip more, but it seems I enjoy the precision grip since I like the materials more =] Im currently using 4 7g weights in it FTW!

[Lewis_UK]

Still using a second hand Copperhead.............great mouse...........

I like that pre-order one though :D

[Locke]

the problem for me is....

I NEED MORE BUTTONS!!!

i need them every where, id even looked into a CAD type digitizer, cause they often have 12-15 buttons on them...

In BF2142 i need my mouse to instantly bring up 4-6 different items/ weapons + shoot + crouch + reload + iron sights + scroll or mag zoom (adjust rocket explosive range) + reset to best weapon (assualt rifle)

I would love to see these guys come up with a mouse with 2 wheel scrolls, two left click buttons, and two right click buttons, as well as two buttons on each side.

that would give me 14 options (or 12 buttons with a scroll option|) which i would say is enough. with unreal or doom you only need 4 buttons on a mouse, but the more complex gear driven ames need more.

[afireinside]

^what? Complex gear driven games? You have just as many weapons in unreal/quake as you do items in BF. Bind them to your keyboard.

left click = shoot
right click = iron sight
wheel = zoom
control = crouch
r = reload
1 2 3 z x q e g f v = weapon binds

If you can't make a game work with those buttons maybe you need a new game.

[Locke]

i use a nostromo
forward, back, left, right, scale map, select item 1, select item 2, select item 3, jump, prone, talk to squad, talk to commander, exchange job kit, bring up loadout screen, sprint, enter vehicle, squad leader screen (there are about 4 buttons i cannot reach on the nostromo including the wheel) thats 17 buttons

mouse i need
fire, iron sights, reload, crouch, item 4, item 5, item 6, item 7, item 8, scroll for detonation range (so two buttons), thats about 10 buttons

so since i cant reach everythig on the nostromo im kinda sorta using the wheel to bring up 3 items/ weapons, and using the mouse wheel in tandem to scroll through items to select the one i want, but its better to have boundkeys to bring the up instantly.

BF has a few more keys than UT: prone, SL screen, loadout screen, reload, sprint, pick up; and has about the same number of items as UT.

[XSAlliN]

i use a nostromo
forward, back, left, right, scale map, select item 1, select item 2, select item 3, jump, prone, talk to squad, talk to commander, exchange job kit, bring up loadout screen, sprint, enter vehicle, squad leader screen (there are about 4 buttons i cannot reach on the nostromo including the wheel) thats 17 buttons

mouse i need
fire, iron sights, reload, crouch, item 4, item 5, item 6, item 7, item 8, scroll for detonation range (so two buttons), thats about 10 buttons

so since i cant reach everythig on the nostromo im kinda sorta using the wheel to bring up 3 items/ weapons, and using the mouse wheel in tandem to scroll through items to select the one i want, but its better to have boundkeys to bring the up instantly.

BF has a few more keys than UT: prone, SL screen, loadout screen, reload, sprint, pick up; and has about the same number of items as UT.

What you need is a Keyboard - guess you miss one from your description of needs.

[ChaosMinionX]

WOW I like the G9 :) Definitely an upgrade from the Blue G5 (rev 2) :D

[Exedy]

WOW I like the G9 :) Definitely an upgrade from the Blue G5 (rev 2) :D

Nice! Hey..tell us the MUCH bigger performance you felt :p:

[Jodiuh]

Damnit, Fry's still doesn't carry it. I need to try out this mouse some prefer to the DA...

[JoeBar]

WOW I like the G9 :) Definitely an upgrade from the Blue G5 (rev 2) :D
We want more detailed impressions... :)

[matsuya]

Anyone else get the G9? What are your impressions?

[tiro_uspsss]

i recently got the G9 - before that i had rev1 & rev2 G5... the G9 is waaaay better. Better tracking (smoother), weight is A-Ok, a bit 'useless' is how u can change the LED colour - but i like it, & THE SCROLL WHEEL ROCKS - in fact i would go as far as saying I could never go back to a mouse without that kinda scroll wheel - i LOVE it!

The tracking & wheel are imho the 2 biggest improvements over the G5.

oh & i almost forgot - the ability to change its 'case' (whatever its called) - is quite nice as well actually - in fact i cant make up my mind between the 2, they r both nice!

[matsuya]

i recently got the G9 - before that i had rev1 & rev2 G5... the G9 is waaaay better. Better tracking (smoother), weight is A-Ok, a bit 'useless' is how u can change the LED colour - but i like it, & THE SCROLL WHEEL ROCKS - in fact i would go as far as saying I could never go back to a mouse without that kinda scroll wheel - i LOVE it!

The tracking & wheel are imho the 2 biggest improvements over the G5.

oh & i almost forgot - the ability to change its 'case' (whatever its called) - is quite nice as well actually - in fact i cant make up my mind between the 2, they r both nice!

Yeah, I actually have the G9 and the DeathAdder, and I'm trying to figure out which one to keep. I like both. I'm a noob when it comes to figure out which is better at tracking, etc, so I need XS expert opinions.

[Jodiuh]

Tried it, hated how my palm dragged off the mouse. It's just too small. :( Also, button for wheel mode switch on bottom's retarded.

[SP1]

I bought just over a week ago. My G5 wheel was broke so I decided to replace it.

[matsuya]

I bought just over a week ago. My G5 wheel was broke so I decided to replace it.

So, do you like it?

[JoeBar]

I just bought a G9 to upgrade the G7 on my main rig but i haven't tested it yet cause i haven't finished building it... :p:

However i also bought a MS Sidewinder (upgrade from a Habu) for my 2nd gaming rig and i can say i really like it. It a bit bulky (don't use it if u have small hands), but it's very smooth, accurate and the extras (feet, weight and cord holder) are very nice additions.

The best things about it though are the vertical placed side buttons (why didn't anyone thought it earlier?) and the three separate dpi buttons which make changing this setting a lot easier without having to look @ the mouse to check at what resolution u are. It's only drawback is the pos MS mouse properties.

Overall it's definitely an upgrade over Habu and on par with the best out there, so anyone wanting a good gaming mouse should consider it.

Now i only have to test G9... :rolleyes:

[Jodiuh]

Does it track better than the DeathAdder or MX518?

[tiro_uspsss]

I just bought a G9 to upgrade the G7 on my main rig but i haven't tested it yet cause i haven't finished building it... :p:

However i also bought a MS Sidewinder (upgrade from a Habu) for my 2nd gaming rig and i can say i really like it. It a bit bulky (don't use it if u have small hands), but it's very smooth, accurate and the extras (feet, weight and cord holder) are very nice additions.

The best things about it though are the vertical placed side buttons (why didn't anyone thought it earlier?) and the three separate dpi buttons which make changing this setting a lot easier without having to look @ the mouse to check at what resolution u are. It's only drawback is the pos MS mouse properties.

Overall it's definitely an upgrade over Habu and on par with the best out there, so anyone wanting a good gaming mouse should consider it.

Now i only have to test G9... :rolleyes:

the Sidewinder has that button u that lets u do a 180degree turn -yes? if so, any good? i've been thinking about getting this mouse for secondary rig for Q3 :D

[matsuya]

Help me out guys, what's the better mouse for gaming? DeathAdder or G9. Both feel fine to me, it's just a matter of which has better tracking or whatever. I have to return one of them soon, so I can get a cash refund instead of store credit.

[cloned]

Optical > Laser.

People will never know that.

Laser is just not developed enough, and it isnt as accurate as Optical. I dont think it ever will be either.

I have an optical mouse (logitech V-320 i think) and while you are right about how accurate they are this thing screws up if the surface changes color. which really annoys me since my desk is basically an old door on sawhorses so I need a mousepad.

so i tend to use a book i have laying around but the second it picks up a different color it freezes, none of my laser ones did that

[tiro_uspsss]

Help me out guys, what's the better mouse for gaming? DeathAdder or G9. Both feel fine to me, it's just a matter of which has better tracking or whatever. I have to return one of them soon, so I can get a cash refund instead of store credit.

ok, this is me personally, if i were in ur situation - if they both feel equal in gaming - then judge them 'else where' so-to-speak; in other words, how do u like them for day to day etc... as previously mentioned, i LOVE the scroll wheel on G9 - so i couldnt do without that... but thats me...

[matsuya]

ok, this is me personally, if i were in ur situation - if they both feel equal in gaming - then judge them 'else where' so-to-speak; in other words, how do u like them for day to day etc... as previously mentioned, i LOVE the scroll wheel on G9 - so i couldnt do without that... but thats me...

I've owned a 518 and a G5. When I switched to a G9, it felt uncomfortable at first, but I got used to it. I then got the DeathAdder but I didn't have to get used to the feel. Probably because it's similar to the previous mouse I've used. I do love the scroll wheel on the G9, but it's the gaming capabilities that I'd rather have. If the DeathAdder proves to be better in games, especially FPS, then I could care less about how the scroll wheel is.

I don't know if the G9 has anything new as far as it's laser technology and I've heard the DeathAdder is one of the best for gaming.

One thing about the DeathAdder is the 1.08 driver doesn't work in Vista 64, althought it says it does. And I can't flash the firmware because there isn't one available for Vista 64.

[tiro_uspsss]

I've owned a 518 and a G5. When I switched to a G9, it felt uncomfortable at first, but I got used to it. I then got the DeathAdder but I didn't have to get used to the feel. Probably because it's similar to the previous mouse I've used. I do love the scroll wheel on the G9, but it's the gaming capabilities that I'd rather have. If the DeathAdder proves to be better in games, especially FPS, then I could care less about how the scroll wheel is.

I don't know if the G9 has anything new as far as it's laser technology and I've heard the DeathAdder is one of the best for gaming.

One thing about the DeathAdder is the 1.08 driver doesn't work in Vista 64, althought it says it does. And I can't flash the firmware because there isn't one available for Vista 64.

thats another reason i've shyed away from Razor mice - flaky support - I keep hearing about it & its put me of.. I *was* interested in their latest one due to the fact that it has 4000DPI cause i have 4x 21" CRT to transverse, so wrist movement can b a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.. but in the back of my head there was this nagging about the flaky support yaddayaddayadda... plus now that u tell me u cant get urs to work in Vista, i'm definitely staying away - i'll b going Vista soon, so i need good mouse with support!

[Jester FPS]

Just got my G9 in the mail to replace my MX518. It has all the great qualities of the MX518 but better. Definitely glad I purchased.

[matsuya]

thats another reason i've shyed away from Razor mice - flaky support - I keep hearing about it & its put me of.. I *was* interested in their latest one due to the fact that it has 4000DPI cause i have 4x 21" CRT to transverse, so wrist movement can b a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.. but in the back of my head there was this nagging about the flaky support yaddayaddayadda... plus now that u tell me u cant get urs to work in Vista, i'm definitely staying away - i'll b going Vista soon, so i need good mouse with support!

Actually the 1.06 drivers work, just not the current 1.08. I don't know if it's just me. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the 1.08 driver, but nothing. The older 1.06 works fine though.

[Jodiuh]

Just got my G9 in the mail to replace my MX518. It has all the great qualities of the MX518 but better. Definitely glad I purchased.

Except usable dpi buttons, an LED engine, an a$$, a slick top, an "alt tab" button, a low price, good looks... :D

For the short time I used it, the laser def proved to track a lot better for me than the previous G5, probably better than the LED based 518 and maybe even the DA. Hopefully they'll branch out a bit and make another "fatty" for us big handers. :clap:

[matsuya]

With the DA I just realized, with the drivers installed, I can't assign my side buttons in BF2.

[Jodiuh]

I hated that problem.

[SP1]

So, do you like it?
Sorry I have been out. But to answer your question some things I have noticed in the short time are:
Using the same DPI settings it is a lot smoother and responsive than the G5 but I use an Icemat and it does not seem to work so well with that.

I think it looks better than the G5 which looks like a bar of soap to me fits my hand better though I don't have big hands. If you have big hands you may find it too small.
The thumbrest has more space and you can press one side button with the tip of your thumb and the other with the inside back of your thumb quite easily.

Software is much easier to use where you can see all the settings in one place and you can pick what you want to change. With the G5 you can change sensitivity by 50dpi but it is 200dpi for the G9.For general purpose I use back and forward but they are not much use in games so I use a separate profile and have a different LED colour for each profile. Each setting you change is automatically saved on the mouse. The driver is 20MB which is half that of the G5 driver,loads up faster and I find much easier to use.

Here's a couple of pics:

[Exedy]

HAHaha lol...I feel MX and G5 small in my hand...I will never play with G9 :ROTF:

No way..too small

[Soulburner]

With the DA I just realized, with the drivers installed, I can't assign my side buttons in BF2.
Hmm that's odd, I don't think I tried that in BF2 but I can assign them in all other games so far (COD2, COD4, Dark Messiah, have more to test).

I could not assign my side buttons with any Logitech mouse. What a waste. It is extremely useful to have those buttons because it takes some clutter off of the keyboard.

I use them to lob grenades and do a melee attack (Kick in Dark Messiah, smack with the butt of a rifle in COD). It's a ton easier to use than the keyboard.


HAHaha lol...I feel MX and G5 small in my hand...I will never play with G9 :ROTF:

No way..too small

You would like the DA then ;)

[matsuya]

Hmm that's odd, I don't think I tried that in BF2 but I can assign them in all other games so far (COD2, COD4, Dark Messiah, have more to test).

I could not assign my side buttons with any Logitech mouse. What a waste. It is extremely useful to have those buttons because it takes some clutter off of the keyboard.

I use them to lob grenades and do a melee attack (Kick in Dark Messiah, smack with the butt of a rifle in COD). It's a ton easier to use than the keyboard.



I had no problem assigning any of my Logitech mouse side buttons. It's a Vista x64 thing with my DA.

I think I like the DA though, it's more precise in playing BF2. I just wish the driver support was better. I would definitely keep it over the G9 if that were the case.

[tommyshango]

yeah i dont see anyone actually bringin any numbers in here showing how the g9 is better than the DA. in fact i highly doubt it is. the thing that sucks about the DA is that unless your running xp your basically SOL. the support is terrible. you can complain all you want about driver support for vista but at least the bigger companies are turning out support faster than the little ones and alot faster. i waited months for ANY support for the DA. I STILL cant run the driver they have posted on their website. and the firmware update is useless. so yeah its a great mouse just not for vista. and i dont blame vista cuz vista is great. razer support is the worst ive run into ever. its non existent.

[matsuya]

yeah i dont see anyone actually bringin any numbers in here showing how the g9 is better than the DA. in fact i highly doubt it is. the thing that sucks about the DA is that unless your running xp your basically SOL. the support is terrible. you can complain all you want about driver support for vista but at least the bigger companies are turning out support faster than the little ones and alot faster. i waited months for ANY support for the DA. I STILL cant run the driver they have posted on their website. and the firmware update is useless. so yeah its a great mouse just not for vista. and i dont blame vista cuz vista is great. razer support is the worst ive run into ever. its non existent.

I'm using Vista x64 and I was able to get the current 1.08 to work. You need to have your firmware updated to 1.25 in order for 1.08 to work, and vice versa. What I did was plugged in my mouse to my laptop, which has Vista 32-bit, installed the 1.08 driver and flashed the firmware to 1.25. The 1.25 firmware updater doesn't work on 64-bit so that's why I had to use my laptop.

The only thing now is getting my side buttons to work on BF2. It can be assigned in other games but for some reason in BF2, it isn't working. Other than that I like this mouse, it's very accurate and feels better than the G9.

[Jodiuh]

I want the G9's wheel and mouse feet w/ the DA's optics in the MX's body. 2 much 2 ask?

[Soulburner]

No way, you'd want the DA buttons for sure.

[Jodiuh]

The primary buttons, hell yes. I don't care for the texture tho.