can someone double check my parts list for my wc setup

[jasyn]

so i'm going wc and decided to get something more practical imo. so with that said i found that i'd get rid of this gigantic thermaltake armor case and go with the DD Water Box Plus (http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=253&cat=1&page=1). also i'd be cooling a Q6600 as well as a 8800GTS from BFG that comes pre-configured with a waterblock on it.

here's the parts list that i'm planning to go with.
1. D-TEK FuZION 1/2"
2. Black Ice GTX 240 ** not exactly sure if the PA120.2 will fit in this case/and if the performance difference is really that significant **
3. Laing DDC w/ Petra'sTech DDCT-01s Top Combo OR Danger Den DD12V-D5 Fixed Speed Pump ** thoughts ?? **
4. Tygon Tubing 1/2"
5. T and Brass Plug for Fill line
6. Papst 4312L 120mm Fan (4x) ** i was planning to put 2 on each side of the radiator .. is that a good idea or bad idea? **

couple questions i have
1. i should get hose clamps correct?
2. what coolant/liquid should i use?

am i missing anything? thoughts/suggestions/opinions please :)

[MrToad]

1.- With a full cover GPU block in the same loop you might benefit from the lower restriction of the Fuzion.
However, according to Cathar we should look for matched blocks in terms of restriction when placed in series on the same loop, so perhaps you'd want to get some information about the block on your GTS and compare it to the values of the Apogee GTX before you make a decision.

2.- Not the one I'd choose. If you don't want to use TC then Swiftech is your next best. Unless of course you want to put up with roaring fans. Besides, I'm not sure if it will be enough radiator surface for your proposed setup. Someone with better knowledge surely will be able to shed some light over this.

3.- The DDC3.2 with Alphacool/Petra's top will give you (quoting someone with far better knowledge of the matter than myself) smaller footprint, less heat dump and a tachometer signal to switch the computer off in case of critical failure. Being so tight in the rad surface department you might want to consider it.

4.- Before you choose tubing, read this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=147767) sticky.

5.- Fine.

6.- You may want to go through this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=150261) thread before buying those.

* Plastic hose clamps, wormdrive clips, zip ties... all will do the job if used adequately.

* If the block on the GTS is not made of aluminium then distilled water + biocide will yield the best results.
If it's made of aluminium you will need some flavour of corrosion retardant in generous proportion (10% if my memory serves me well), which indeed will hurt the coolant's thermal properties.

[Riddlinkidstone]

#1) CPU block ok.
#2) I'd go for a MCR220-QP instead of the BI GTX.
#3) Either or is fine. For 1/2" tubing, D5 is a great choice because it has ribbed 1/2" barbs which holds it very tight. For more compatibility with other tubing (without having to heat it up) go with the DDC. I prefer the reliability of the D5 though.
#4) Fine. A bit expensive but very high quality stuff. You may want to try 7/16" instead of 1/2".
#5) Sounds good.
#6) If you go with the MCR220, medium fans are key. For the black ice, I believe you need 100cfm fans to perform well.

You can use hose clamps or zip ties.

Most common liquid combo is 5-10% G11+ 89% Distilled+ 1% PT_Nuke. There are other options you may want to look into though.

[jasyn]

the GPU block is the same as the one made by DD here (http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=272&cat=48&page=1)

i'd go with thermochill pa120.2 but i don't know if it will fit within the case.

with the tubing thread .. i don't exactly kno what Cathar is talking about .. i was just reading all this technical data and i don't know what to take from it.

also with these pumps & the radiator .. there's this option for "OD fittings" .. what is that & what should i be getting?
also what are "barbs"?

bare with my n00bness :(

[MrToad]

the GPU block is the same as the one made by DD here (http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=272&cat=48&page=1)

I owned the GTX version of that block. Somewhat disappointing (price/performance/finish-wise) it was, but only when you compare it to the EK full-cover block (I don't think is fair comparing a full-cover to the MCW60, because is apples and oranges again). Still, is all-copper, so no major issues with it.

However, following Cathar's wisdom I'd go for the GTX over the Fuzion, because the restriction on the GTX better matches that on your DD full-cover block.

i'd go with thermochill pa120.2 but i don't know if it will fit within the case.

Well, I'm sort of a TC "fanboy", mainly because the strengths of their line of rads sound like celestial music to my ears, but if you can't fit/afford a PA120.2 go for the Swiftech MCR-220 QP. Is a great rad, and is designed with lower rpm fans in mind (compared to the BI GTX 240, not to the PA120.3). In the long run acoustic contamination can be very distressing indeed.

with the tubing thread .. i don't exactly kno what Cathar is talking about .. i was just reading all this technical data and i don't know what to take from it.

What Cathar proves with his tests is that basically you don't need huge ID pipes to get the most of your setup any more. Smaller, more manageable tubing is feasible with less than 1C difference in the temperatures.

also with these pumps & the radiator .. there's this option for "OD fittings" .. what is that & what should i be getting?
also what are "barbs"?

According to Cathar's "experiment" push-in (http://shop.wfpuk.co.uk/product_category.asp?Category_Id=1911&lm=5) fittings are the way to go, for more reasons than one.
They offer better flow over barbs (http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=70&cat=34&page=1), and a proper connection and seal is achieved with the minimum effort.

However, unless someone shares which part no. of what manufacturer are those push-in fittings Cathar used on his tests, you might find that 1/2" OD x G1/4" ones with more than 8 mm flow bore are rather difficult to find.

The closest I've got in my endless search is 12mm OD (which gives 9mm ID, .5mm less than 3/8" ID tubing) x 1/4" BSPT. However I still need to establish beyond any reasonable doubt, whether tapered males on parallel females can offer a good seal and acceptable mechanical properties for our application.

[jasyn]

so 3/8" tubing is the way to go? what OD fittings would i get for that?

also, say i don't go with the waterblocked 8800GTS, and instead just wc my CPU .. the fuzion would be a better choice correct?

[MrToad]

so 3/8" tubing is the way to go? what OD fittings would i get for that?

You will have to find the answer to that yourself. As I said in my previous post, so far I've failed to find 1/2" OD x G1/4 push-in fittings.

If you find some I'd really appreciate if you'd share your source.

also, say i don't go with the waterblocked 8800GTS, and instead just wc my CPU .. the fuzion would be a better choice correct?

With only the CPU block in the loop, you can go with any of the two. The Fuzion gives you ever so slightly worse temps and lower restriction over the GTX. On the other hand, tests show that past a certain point the Fuzion doesn't benefit at all from the increased flow. So basically, is up to you.

[jasyn]

thank you MrToad :) also thanks to Riddlinkidstone!