Problem with GPU/Mem speeds

[_HL4E_HalfLife_]

I recently put together a 2nd faster system to use as my main pc it's specs are:

P4 661 65nm Cedar Mill 3.6GHz Running at 3851MHz at the moment
ATI Radeon X1950XTX 512Mb GDDR4 650/1000
2GB Kingston DDR2 667 Hyper-X
MSI 975X Platinum PowerUp Edition

My problem is the GPU and Memory on the 3d card are running at a much slower speed than they should be. There currently running at 506/594 according to Everest Ultimate Edition. I've tried using the ATI overclocking feature in the CCC but it don't do anything, BUT if i run the auto O/C feature the GPU and mem jump up to there proper speeds (650/1000) but if i stop the auto O/C the speeds drop back down to 506/594. I even tried using the latest version of ATI Tray Tools and made a profile with the settings that it should be (650/1000) that loads up with windows but that isn't working either so i dono whats going on here.

Any suggestions?

[zanzabar]

i would point blame to the msi board, i got one last christmas for my dad and when i was setting it up it was doing some weird stuff like dynamicly changing the core clock with no msi software installed and it would oc or under clock between 233-500 on an e6300, so i wouldent be surprised if it was messing with ur grafix


aslo do u have overdrive enabled and for memory they advertise the effective clock not the core clock and u see the core clock in the menu (ddr = core clock x 2)

[MadDias]

is this ur first ati card?
the X1xxx series of ati has different clocks for 2d and 3d.
ur card will only go up to full speed, when ur in full screen 3d mode.
even the 3dmarks will only show the 2d clocks in the result browser, although it is running at 650/1000 (or whatever ur 3d clock is) during the test.
why would u want to let it run these high clocks when ur only doing stuff like websurfing or office stuff?
u can set the clocks manually in atitool if u want 3dmark or everest to show the clocks.

[_HL4E_HalfLife_]

is this ur first ati card?
the X1xxx series of ati has different clocks for 2d and 3d.
ur card will only go up to full speed, when ur in full screen 3d mode.
even the 3dmarks will only show the 2d clocks in the result browser, although it is running at 650/1000 (or whatever ur 3d clock is) during the test.
why would u want to let it run these high clocks when ur only doing stuff like websurfing or office stuff?
u can set the clocks manually in atitool if u want 3dmark or everest to show the clocks.

No my other system which use to be my main pc has an ATI 9800XT 256.

I know about the 2d/3d clock switch, also i did a clean install of winxp pro a few weeks ago and this didn't solve the problem. I had FSX running in a window and while it was i loaded up Everest Ultimate Edition and looked at GPU and it says

GPU Clock 506MHz (original: 508MHz)
Memory Bus 594 MHz (DDR) (original: 600 MHz)

Now i dono why its saying original's are 508/600 when there not they should be 648/999, and according to ATI PowerPlay its running in setting #1 so how do i get it to run on setting #3????

ATI PowerPlay
Setting #1 GPU: 506 MHz, Memory: 594 MHz
Setting #2 GPU: 405 MHz, Memory: 594 MHz
Setting #3 GPU: 648 MHz, Memory: 999 MHz

I also ran some tests to tell the difference between my old system and my new one. I can't copy&paste from the text doc because it won't keep the format so heres a pic of the tests.

The 3DMark scores show that the new system is a few X faster but most of the game tests only show a very small improvement and a few are even worse like the RCT3 & UT2004. All the games tests were done with the exact same game settings and on the same maps/tracks the avg fps was gotten from a 60second fps test using Fraps.

[alexio]

Running windowed won't change 2D to 3D clocks. Run full screen while monitoring clock and memory speed with Rivatuner.

Some of your games run pretty crappy, but your 3Dmark scores are okay. I think that your CPU is too slow for your graphics card to be utilized fully.

[zanzabar]

that looks more ram related than cpu, but if u want a quick swap to a c2d is isnt hard u can just pop the 631 out and drop the new chip in, and an e4400 witch iwll easly do 3ghz will cost u $130 or u can go and get a used chip from the for sale secteon, but i thnk that better ram will fix most of ur problems, like a set of crucial blaistex pc2 6400 cas 4, adn that will oc to 1066 cas 4 @ 2.2V in most cases


and i think that u can flash the profiles so u would have the same for 1/2/3

[_HL4E_HalfLife_]

Running windowed won't change 2D to 3D clocks. Run full screen while monitoring clock and memory speed with Rivatuner.

Some of your games run pretty crappy, but your 3Dmark scores are okay. I think that your CPU is too slow for your graphics card to be utilized fully.

It should because even tho FSX was runnung in a window its still a 3D application and no change in fps confirms that.

I've been overclocking my cpu and so far its up to 3994MHz from 3.6 how high would it have to be to not be a bottleneck?



that looks more ram related than cpu, but if u want a quick swap to a c2d is isnt hard u can just pop the 631 out and drop the new chip in, and an e4400 witch iwll easly do 3ghz will cost u $130 or u can go and get a used chip from the for sale secteon, but i thnk that better ram will fix most of ur problems, like a set of crucial blaistex pc2 6400 cas 4, adn that will oc to 1066 cas 4 @ 2.2V in most cases


and i think that u can flash the profiles so u would have the same for 1/2/3

It's a 661 65nm 3.6GHz whats an E4400 equivalent to for my CPU?

I don't think it has anythig to do with the ram i mean it is Kingston DDR2 667 Hyper-X. The ram only effects loading speeds and file swaping and not acual framerates.

[zanzabar]

the e4400 at 3ghz would be like 3-4x the power of ur current cpu, and u will need ram to oc it since it will be at 450mhz fsb and 900mhz memory then

[_HL4E_HalfLife_]

the e4400 at 3ghz would be like 3-4x the power of ur current cpu, and u will need ram to oc it since it will be at 450mhz fsb and 900mhz memory then

The E4400 is 2Ghz not 3, I wouldn't need ram all i would need to do is use a divider.

[AgentGOD]

His 3DMark score is not normal. His 3DMark05 score should be around 12k and 3DMark03 should be around 22 - 25k.

But it could be due to CPU bottlenecking (I think this is most likely).

I had a 3000+ Venice at 2.6 GHz (Equivalent of P4 @ 4.1 GHz), and was scoring 10.5k in 3dmark05 with my 7900 GTX.

However, with the Venice at stock (1.8 GHz, equivalent P4 @ 3.2 GHz), I was scoring wayyy below what it should be.

So I suggest trying to clock up your P4 to 4 GHz or so, and have RivaTuner "record" GPU stuff like temperature, fan speed, and clock speeds. Run 3DMark05 and see what you get.

Post the score, and post a screen shot of RivaTuner Hardware Monitoring, after marking the highest Core clock (it will mark the rest of the stuff with it).

[MadDias]

It should because even tho FSX was runnung in a window its still a 3D application and no change in fps confirms that.

everything that is running in a window is just plain 2d for the catalyst driver.

what has cpu-bottlenecking to do with ur core/mem clock problem?
it´s really that way, that u won´t see ur 3d clocks in any windowed application. at least until u clock it with atitool, which will disable the clockchange and u can see the clock u set in every prog u wanna monitor it with.

or do it like agentgod suggested. get rivatuner and let it monitor the clockspeeds and open up a FULL screen 3d app (3dmark or any game u want that is full screen 3d and not in a window). u will then notice the clockchanges and see that ur card is running fine with the advertised clocks, not underclocked.

btw... ur 3dmark scores seem right to me, for the setup ur running.

[_HL4E_HalfLife_]

Ok i did what Agentgod said and the GPU/mem do go up but that still really doesn't explain the low fps increase (and decrease in 2 of the games) between the old and new system.