E6750 w/ Scythe Ninja, 58C under load!

[Mugen Yarrr]

I'm rather new to this forum, though I've lurked and read things on here before, I haven't posted much. I come to you guys in need, however. Before I begin explaining my problem, let me tell you my hardware:

Thermaltake Tsunami with all stock fans (2 120s and a 90)
E6750 @ 2.66 (stock)
Scythe Ninja Rev B
Abit IP35 Pro (cool board, I like it so far, but the heatpipes and heatsinks get pretty toasty, hot to the touch)
8800GTS 320 (stock speeds, hits about 80-85 under full load)
Crucial RAM (also gets hot to the touch, I'd say just as hot as Abit's integrated cooling, much hotter than my previous XMS I had with my X2 3800)

So, if you know the layout of the Tsunami, you know there is a fan in the front (that IMO brings in little air, considering it has to go through a filter and a couple small slits in the front of the case), a fan in the rear that gets rid of nasty hot air, and a 90mm fan on the side, that brings in fresh air. Also, my PSU has a 120mm fan that is getting rid of toasty air. The side fan, however, is so close to the Scythe I'm not sure if it's helping or hurting, but taking off my side panel does reduce temps 1-2 degrees.

I have already installed my CPU and HSF once, took it off because of horrible temps, and put it back on. I'm fairly certain I couldn't have screwed up seating it TWICE. I used ArctiClean to clean it and followed the directions on the AS site applying a line of AS5 down the middle of the processor.

Without further ado, my temps.

At stock speeds, and after running Orthos for 7 hours 30 minutes, Core Temp 0.95.4 showed the wonderful temp of 57-58C on each core. I was simply shocked. Idle seems to be upper 30s, lower 40s.

So, does anyone have any suggestions. Everything is completely stable, no games are displaying any errors, Orthos ran fine over night, no "odd behavior" at all, except for of course these really high temps.

[Spawne32]

Temps sound about right if you ask me, if you want better temps you need to look into better cooling.

[Mugen Yarrr]

Do you think I could get by with lower 60s under load OCed? My old X2 seemed to run much cooler than this, but it's been a few months since I had it so maybe I'm just remembering wrong. I just thought these were supposed to run really cool or something from everything I've read. =/

[Spawne32]

Do you think I could get by with lower 60s under load OCed? My old X2 seemed to run much cooler than this, but it's been a few months since I had it so maybe I'm just remembering wrong. I just thought these were supposed to run really cool or something from everything I've read. =/

Yeh 60's will be fine, the reason why things continually get hotter is cus we keep adding more cores, however with the new 45nm shrink coming from Intel things should be getting cooler.

[Mugen Yarrr]

Thanks for clearing this up for me, now I can OC in peace. Gonna test 3.2 over night and see what happens. Shooting for 3.6, but I'm doubtful.

EDIT: Actually, I do have one more question. Under CPU-Z, in the memroy tab, everything is blank except for the Size, which is showing 2048MB. I noticed in other people pics, everything is filled in. I manually set my timings, so I know they're right, just wondering what's up with this?

[Soulburner]

Seems right to me. That's in the ballpark I'm in with my E6550 @ 3.2 with stock volts. The temp hasn't increased much over stock.

Thermalright SI-128, Sharkoon Silent Eagle 2000 120mm, AC MX-1, side window off.

[Bl4ck^!]

Temps sound about right if you ask me, if you want better temps you need to look into better cooling.

agreed , i had Tsunami and Soprano , they have almost the same layout but made from different materials (SECC 0.8 vs. Alu )

I made with Soprano this : get rid of the front intake grills , and the "air filter"
don't use the side 80mm fan (it's useless) instead you could mod the side panel to accept a 120mm fan ;> . Cut the rear grill for the 120mm fan, it impedes the air flow. Also you could consider lapping the Ninja and the cpu (but only if you know how to do that)

[mono666]

Yeah, that temp is not too bad. My 6600 @ 3.2 and ninja idles at about 55c and 67c load. Crappy temp, and that is why I going to replace the ninja for IFX-14.

[Mugen Yarrr]

I thought the Ninja was better than this. Seems like it would've been for $50. Ah well, as long as this is normal, thanks guys.

[jellysandwich]

Yeah, that temp is not too bad. My 6600 @ 3.2 and ninja idles at about 55c and 67c load. Crappy temp, and that is why I going to replace the ninja for IFX-14.

ur sig says e6600 @ 3.6?

[Asgard_thor]

3.6 mostly being his highest

[lad]

Mugen, what are your ambient temps going into the case? What is the temp of the air just before it goes into the Ninja? What core and RAM voltages are you running? And what fan, and what rpm, for the Ninja?


You'll have to get a LOT of airflow thru the case, if you want to OC in earnest. That means getting rid of the filters, and cutting out the sheetmetal grids blocking airflow at the fans. That's the single most important thing you can do to immediately get cpu and RAM temps down. I'm very surprised your RAM is too hot to touch. I'm running mine at 2.15v, and it's comfortably warm to hold.

Regarding your TIM and mount, if you haven't lapped the cpu and HSF flat, you could have really crappy heatflow. The solution to that is to take the HSF off, again, and look closely at the TIM. Ideally, there's a microscopically thin coating on each half, and it covers the entire area of the cpu heatspreader. (You need to ensure that there's actually -contact-, too.) You probably have good contact around the edges, and a thick layer in the middle. If you have -gaps- in the middle, you should try squirting a blob in the center of the cpu, and remounting.

[Mugen Yarrr]

According to abit's software, my system temp right now is 37C and it's been sitting there for prolly an hour on the desktop. PWM (I don't even know what this is?) is 45C. It's showing my CPU at 33C (keep in mind this is at 3.2Ghz 400x8). My Core voltage is stock, 1.35, abit is showing 1.31. Right now, my CPU fan is 900 RPM, though I'd imagine that's because it's idling. I have my RAM at 2.2v running DDR2-800 speeds (4-4-4-12 which is what it's speced at). It's not like its HOT to the touch, but it is most certainly warmer than my previous XMS. Also, all my fans are stock, so the fan on my ninja is w/e one it comes with (some 120mm fan).

And I actually DID notice the metal cover thing on my side fan SIGNIFICANTLY blocked airflow, so I took it off. I put it back on for now though because it didn't seem to help or hurt and it left my fan blades completely unguarded and little kids come into my room sometimes, so yea, I ended up putting it back on before they stick something in there.

I have considered lapping, but I don't feel comfortable lapping my CPU right now, would lapping JUST the ninja help at all, or would I really need to do both? I noticed that at 3.2, my temps didn't really go up at all, maybe just 1 or 2C. I'm guessing because I haven't raised voltage yet.

Thanks for such an in-depth response =).

[Brian MP5T]

If you are worried about the temperature, I will suggest this.

I had a TSUNAMI, It was hot as hell/
Upgraded to a Armour JR and it was much better...

Then I built a rig for a friend with an Antec Gamer 900.... OMFG Dead silent and it literally dropped temps under load by a full 5 Deg..

I also addad a Sonic Tower and reversed the rear fan to blow directly on it.

Normal Temp 25 Deg

Load Playing STALKER at full never crosses 37 Deg with the fans on LOW.


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[Mugen Yarrr]

Yea, I actually want a 900, but I just can't bring myself to spend the money on it right now since my case IS decent. I'm upgrading to the new nvidia GPU as soon as they come out, and next summer I'm going to build another system with a quad, 4-8 gigs of RAM, Vista, etc etc

I just had a bunch of decent parts lying around so I decided to just "budget build" and not spend more than $800 on new stuff. Definitely worth the money, but I'm starting to think I should have just got an E6420, clocked it at 3.2 and put the money towards the 640MB GTS. Oh well...

Thanks for the help guys, but it seems my wall is it at 3.2Ghz. My RAM runs absolutey fine at DDR2-900, ran orthos for a couple hours. I had my processor at 450x7 and it was fine. But my processor just gives errors after 3.2 in orthos after only a few seconds, even after upping the voltage to 1.4v.

No clue why, but if I raised the FSB over 400 with an 8x multi, orthos just whines and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es after only a few seconds.

[[cTx] Nooc]

STOCK????????????????????????

we'll I have a e4300 at 1.4v @ 45C under load, so your temps totally suXXorZ

I have a thermalright 120 extreme motherbananas

[roadie]

I have a different CPU set up but my Ninja with the fan at ~860rpm keeps my CPU at about 57 degrees under Orthos. What do people think of this?

[Mugen Yarrr]

STOCK????????????????????????

we'll I have a e4300 at 1.4v @ 45C under load, so your temps totally suXXorZ

I have a thermalright 120 extreme motherbananas

You do realize that your post did absolutely nothing to help me, or anyone for that matter, right? I know my temps are high, it doesn't really matter if your 4300 is at 1.4v, especially since it's only at 2.9.

[Spawne32]

If you are worried about the temperature, I will suggest this.

I had a TSUNAMI, It was hot as hell/
Upgraded to a Armour JR and it was much better...

Then I built a rig for a friend with an Antec Gamer 900.... OMFG Dead silent and it literally dropped temps under load by a full 5 Deg..

I also addad a Sonic Tower and reversed the rear fan to blow directly on it.

Normal Temp 25 Deg

Load Playing STALKER at full never crosses 37 Deg with the fans on LOW.




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Reversing the exhaust fan is a bad idea, your sucking in hot exhaust air from the power supply, always keep your fans going one direction

--------------------> is ok

---------><-------------- is not

[lad]

According to abit's software, my system temp right now is 37C and it's been sitting there for prolly an hour on the desktop. PWM (I don't even know what this is?) is 45C. It's showing my CPU at 33C (keep in mind this is at 3.2Ghz 400x8). My Core voltage is stock, 1.35, abit is showing 1.31. Right now, my CPU fan is 900 RPM, though I'd imagine that's because it's idling. I have my RAM at 2.2v running DDR2-800 speeds (4-4-4-12 which is what it's speced at). It's not like its HOT to the touch, but it is most certainly warmer than my previous XMS. Also, all my fans are stock, so the fan on my ninja is w/e one it comes with (some 120mm fan).

And I actually DID notice the metal cover thing on my side fan SIGNIFICANTLY blocked airflow, so I took it off. I put it back on for now though because it didn't seem to help or hurt and it left my fan blades completely unguarded and little kids come into my room sometimes, so yea, I ended up putting it back on before they stick something in there.

I have considered lapping, but I don't feel comfortable lapping my CPU right now, would lapping JUST the ninja help at all, or would I really need to do both? I noticed that at 3.2, my temps didn't really go up at all, maybe just 1 or 2C. I'm guessing because I haven't raised voltage yet.

Thanks for such an in-depth response =).

Well, your temps and volts seem fine...

You might try lapping the Ninja, but you need to match the cpu in reverse, which would probably mean making the Ninja rounded. That's not a good idea. -IF- the Ninja is concave, AND the cpu is concave, then lapping the Ninja flat would help.

You certainly can push your overclock as far as stock vcore will allow, and it's good practice for when you get better case airflow and a better HSF, too!

In the end, I stick with you needing better case airflow first, and then a better HSF to keep the cpu cool. In either case, you'll want to start researching fans. If you want a relatively quiet pc, you want to start reading the silentpcreview forums, they've got great fan reviews. There's also a great thread here, where a member tested a huge number of fans, and posted great graphs.

Some things to keep in mind: larger, thicker fans are better-where they fit in. Keeping fan rpm under 2000 makes for reasonable fan noise. Look into using Speedfan to automate fan speeds based on cpu temps, or a rheostat to manually control speeds.

Keep us up-to-date on your successes!

[Mugen Yarrr]

Well, at this point, all I can work with is what I have now. I'm not getting any NEW parts until my 98XX GPU later this year and I'm going to get new EVERYTHING next year. I've had this case for a while now and I just happened to find someone buying my old X2 3800, 2GB RAM, A8N SLI Premium and 7950 for a good price.

I am gonna lap the Ninja tomorrow though, will update after that.

[Brian MP5T]

Reversing the exhaust fan is a bad idea, your sucking in hot exhaust air from the power supply, always keep your fans going one direction

--------------------> is ok

---------><-------------- is not

I understand that in theory you are very correct, However, in my computer room, there is an AC vent directly under my desk (Planned) that has the fan on 100% of the time.

I'm seeing temps on the CPU under 37 Degrees C under full Load and no load temps of 22 in this configuration. None of the fans are above the lowest antec fan speed.

When the fan was the correct way, it would spike to 43...

[Mugen Yarrr]

Sometimes just trying stuff > logic, lol. So true in MANY things.

[Spawne32]

I understand that in theory you are very correct, However, in my computer room, there is an AC vent directly under my desk (Planned) that has the fan on 100% of the time.

I'm seeing temps on the CPU under 37 Degrees C under full Load and no load temps of 22 in this configuration. None of the fans are above the lowest antec fan speed.

When the fan was the correct way, it would spike to 43...

Oh well in that case :rofl:

On a side note, i just sent off an email to my TT rep and asked if he can send me out a sonic tower to add to the heatsink showdown, maybe we can get some good results with it.

[mono666]

ur sig says e6600 @ 3.6?

3.6 mostly being his highest

Like Asgard said my highest at the time is 3.6. and I run at 3.2 24/7.


Having more airflow does help the ninja cool down abit more but don't get your hopes high. Just get a better cooler like the one Vapor suggested;)

[Soulburner]

I understand that in theory you are very correct, However, in my computer room, there is an AC vent directly under my desk (Planned) that has the fan on 100% of the time.

I'm seeing temps on the CPU under 37 Degrees C under full Load and no load temps of 22 in this configuration. None of the fans are above the lowest antec fan speed.

When the fan was the correct way, it would spike to 43...
And what happens to your system when you are running an on-the-edge overclock through a benchmark and the AC shuts off?

[Mugen Yarrr]

And what happens to your system when you are running an on-the-edge overclock through a benchmark and the AC shuts off?

Hilarity ensues?

[RPGWiZaRD]

Sounds about right with that cooler.

My E6750 has full load temps of about 67~69C with 1.52v and I run mine outside the case.

[[cTx] Nooc]

You do realize that your post did absolutely nothing to help me, or anyone for that matter, right? I know my temps are high, it doesn't really matter if your 4300 is at 1.4v, especially since it's only at 2.9.

ya well my mobo blows (DS3 rev 1.3) 3 phase power controller is whats hurting my proc :(

PS dont wanna read thru the whole thread but use coretemp to measure temps. tjunction should measure 85C not 100C. thats all i can help you with. lap your proc, use better/less TIM, you know, the usual stuff

[Mugen Yarrr]

The tjunction for the E6750 is 85? I thought it was 100? If it's 85, then my temps are lower then I've been saying, 15 degrees lower.

[[cTx] Nooc]

The tjunction for the E6750 is 85? I thought it was 100? If it's 85, then my temps are lower then I've been saying, 15 degrees lower.

different versions of coretemp will report different tj

I thought my e4300 was hot too until i did some research and dumped coretemp 0.95 for 0.94 (which reported correct tj)

[Mugen Yarrr]

different versions of coretemp will report different tj

I thought my e4300 was hot too until i did some research and dumped coretemp 0.95 for 0.94 (which reported correct tj)

Yes, but I think the tjunction for E6750 is actually 100, they increased IIRC.