Beginner with 2 771 sockets

[radii]

Hi everybody

I just bought a dual Xeon 5345 workstation ( socket type is 771 ) on a Supermicro X7DAE Motherboard, in a Chenbro SR10569 server Tower case. Everything is great, except for the fan noise. Even on the " quiet " - setting in the BIOS, it's still too loud for my wife :)
So, I am now looking into bringing it down quite a few decibles ( overclocking is not my goal, not yet anyway ... ), but I am a total beginner @ cooling.

There seem to be only a handful of air coolers available though for the 771 socket.
My question now is, would two Swiftech MCX-VPro's with some quiet Panaflo 80 mm fans bring the noise down considerably AND still cool the CPU's ? Or will I get the same result as with the stock Intel Heatsinks ?

Any help and pointers would be much appreciated.

[Spawne32]

try out Enzotech...

http://www.enzotechnology.com/mfh8979-26l.htm

[tiro_uspsss]

try the Thermalright HR-01 X - its pretty much a Thermalright HR-01+ with socket 771 mounting kit...
the pic below is *roughly* to scale - the red rectangles show where the 2 heatsinks would sit - dont worry about the areas where the HS seems to 'overhang/shadow' as the HS i doubt will have any clearance issues - go check out the TR website to see what it looks like - u'll see what i mean :up: also ignore the redlines - :D image came from Newegg hehehe
hope i got the right mobo as well - this is all i could find with the mobo info u gave :)

[radii]

Sweet Jesus :)

Thanks for the fast replies !

I have seen the Thermalright HR-01 X on their site, but I'm not certain that I can fit those things in my case ( 6 " + tall !! ), I'll have to check again though. Also, according to tiro_uspsss's great schematic, there would be no room to fit any fans on them sideways. Could they be just used passively ?

Are the HR-01 X available at all ? It says "Preview" on their site ...

Thanks in advance

[tiro_uspsss]

should be *real* soon - the HR-01+ is already available - they r same HS, just diff bolt/retention mechanism...
u can still put fans on 'top' of higher HS & 'bottom' of the lower HS re: my pic...

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/ThermalRight-Heatsinks-p-1-c-251.html

[Movieman]

@radii
Welcome to my world!:D
Good choice of boards. The X7DAE is excellent.
Overclocking will be tough with those chips..All you can do is bump the memory a bit from 333 to 350-360.
Making that combo quiet is tough as the cpu's toss lots of heat.
Temps in the 70-80C range aren't uncommon.
I have that board with some X5350's on it at 3157mhz.
With the stock intel HS you'd see close to 80C at that speed or more.
As Tiro suggested the Thermalright HR-01 X look good and I was looking at them myself. Supposed to be available the end of the month.
As for noise, all I can suggest is to get as many mid speed 120mm( or bigger if you can fit them) fans into that case and get the air in and out fast.
I don't think that you can passively cool those cpu's, just too much heat to deal with.You have to rethink this with 8 cores at that speed. Just huge amounts of heat.
I have mine in a huge supermicro cube with Dynatron heatpipe HS with 85cpm Vantec tornadoes on them. Loud but gets me down into the mid 60's at 3157 in a 74F room.
There is another option you might want to consider..water.
I have a second clover system that had a hotter B1 cpu in it and air wouldn't cool it but water did and quietly.
Take a look here and might give you some ideas:
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=48

If I can do it, anyone can. That Swiftech H20-220 Ultra kit has EVERYTHING you will need besides a liter of distilled water. Excellent kit for the n00b to water cooling.
Best of luck to you.:up:

[tiro_uspsss]

ok, i hope i picked out the correct case u have from chenbro website - this is a suggestion, providing u have the clearance *if* u havent got anything in the way, there should b enough space for fans:

the green represents 120x38mm fans
the yellow represents 120x25mm fans

the green u see is the extra width they are (38mm) - so the 38mm fans are as fat as the yellow + the green u see - hope this makes sense :up:

[Movieman]

ok, i hope i picked out the correct case u have from chenbro website - this is a suggestion, providing u have the clearance *if* u havent got anything in the way, there should b enough space for fans:

the green represents 120x38mm fans
the yellow represents 120x25mm fans

the green u see is the extra width they are (38mm) - so the 38mm fans are as fat as the yellow + the green u see - hope this makes sense :up:

Hi:
I would try and get the fans on the "ends" of the heatsinks, a 120 across both and one on each end in a push pull, to keep the air flow moving from front to back in the case.
Now if you can put a blowhole in the top of that case above the top fan as you show then I like your idea. Maybe a duct from the top HS fan to the blowhole itself.
To me the key with the clovers is just not letting that air stay in the case one second longer than humanly possible.

[tiro_uspsss]

i'm working on a schematic right now! gimme a break! :p:
great minds think alike... just wait'n'see... coming right up Captain! :D

[Movieman]

i'm working on a schematic right now! gimme a break! :p:
great minds think alike... just wait'n'see... coming right up Captain! :D

:up: The issue with ducting the HS air on these boards is to also remember the mofsets. They need a decent air supply as I found out when I WC one of the clovers. With the waterblocks the HS fans are gone and they play a role in the cooling of the mofsets. I think I'm going to mount 3-60-80mm fans side by side perpendicular to the motherboard tray blowing right across them.

I have a pdf that one of the guys on the WCG team did for an easy mount of a fan to the end of a coolermaster HS that is much like the thermalright.

[tiro_uspsss]

okkk, here goes....
*IGNORE* the bright green - it represents nothing
the far right black 'line' is the mobo, the red rectangles to the left of it are the HS's (correct/scale mm's used for HS's & mobo)
all the blue rectangles represent 120x38mm fans
the orange lines represent one long continuous duct that travels the entire height of case... the bottom fan sucks in fresh cool air, passes it on to 1st HS fan, pushed thru to 2nd HS fan, with a bit of 'pull' help from top exhaust fan...
the black lines along edge @ top, bottom & far left side is the case

*PLEASE NOTE* that the placement of mobo in reference to case is not to scale nor accurate! Whether longitude or latitude, both are not representative of the 'real thing'

[radii]

tiro_uspsss:
That is exactly my case :eek:

As for the other posts, you have to give me a while. I'm still digesting ...
Like I said, I'm an absolute beginner.

[tiro_uspsss]

tiro_uspsss:
That is exactly my case :eek:

As for the other posts, you have to give me a while. I'm still digesting ...
Like I said, I'm an absolute beginner.

:D good stuff :up: well i'll let u digest & Movieman can add further comments & suggestions (btw, good to hear from u MM :up: ) - i probably b heading off soon - its 0145 (quarter-to-two AM) here :D

[Movieman]

okkk, here goes....
*IGNORE* the bright green - it represents nothing
the far right black 'line' is the mobo, the red rectangles to the left of it are the HS's (correct/scale mm's used for HS's & mobo)
all the blue rectangles represent 120x38mm fans
the orange lines represent one long continuous duct that travels the entire height of case... the bottom fan sucks in fresh cool air, passes it on to 1st HS fan, pushed thru to 2nd HS fan, with a bit of 'pull' help from top exhaust fan...
the black lines along edge @ top, bottom & far left side is the case

*PLEASE NOTE* that the placement of mobo in reference to case is not to scale nor accurate! Whether longitude or latitude, both are not representative of the 'real thing'

That would work, create a chimney and with hot air wanting to rise on it's own using 4 mid speed 120's would create the "speed" needed to get the air out and also reasonably quiet.. I like it..
Will need fans on the mofsets definately with that setup and remember that with those heatsinks and a duct you will have access issues to some of the memory slots. They are tough to get at for me with the dynatrons and the thermalrights are longer side to side.

[Movieman]

:D good stuff :up: well i'll let u digest & Movieman can add further comments & suggestions (btw, good to hear from u MM :up: ) - i probably b heading off soon - its 0145 (quarter-to-two AM) here :D

same here, good to hear an Aussie voice!:up:
Get some sleep. We'll let this gentleman digest and he knows where to find us.
PM's always get answered..;)

[tiro_uspsss]

That would work, create a chimney and with hot air wanting to rise on it's own using 4 mid speed 120's would create the "speed" needed to get the air out and also reasonably quiet.. I like it..
Will need fans on the mofsets definately with that setup and remember that with those heatsinks and a duct you will have access issues to some of the memory slots. They are tough to get at for me with the dynatrons and the thermalrights are longer side to side.

yeah - depends on what/how u implement the duct - in the area *right* next to HS's u could simply put 2 bits of cardboard to create a duct 'connecting' the 2 HS's - that shouldn't interfere with RAM too much (*i think* :D )... as for airflow to mosfets... meh, i'm too tired to think :p: :ROTF:

anyways, all just suggestions lol :up:

[tiro_uspsss]

same here, good to hear an Aussie voice!:up:
Get some sleep. We'll let this gentleman digest and he knows where to find us.
PM's always get answered..;)

" roger that - over'n'out " :D :p: :up:

[tiro_uspsss]

O M G O M F G
oh :banana::banana::banana::banana: oh :banana::banana::banana::banana:....
i was lying in bed this morning, thought of this thread... then thought of the HS's & their mounting system...
I SERIOUSLY :banana::banana::banana::banana:ED UP!!!
I'm sooo sorry Radii!
As per previous post last night, i was up waaay late - so my brain wasnt 100%
schematics on the way....

[tiro_uspsss]

ok... according to these pics:

http://kerrigan.student.utwente.nl/download/s5000vsa.jpg

http://home.puffinsoft.com/hstewarth/xeon5160/7045A-3.jpg

(*watch out* the first link is to a 5MB JPG :eek: :D )

ur mounting points are here: (i've made the dots bigger than actual, easier to see that way... )

now look @ the pic i grabbed of TR:

this would mean... & u can now see y/how i screwed up.. u can also see y i havent added a 2nd HS to the last pic..

*sigh* i feel like such a schmuck (to put it *very* mildly).. very sorry!
its back to the drawing board as they say fellas...

[Movieman]

Maybe this will help. If you look at the pic posted earlier of this heatsink when mounted it is longer horizonitally when in a tower type case.
There is only 1" between the 2 sockets and thats why Intels are tough to get high end air cooling on.
With a single socket it's not an issue but with a dual it is. The HS can't "spread" out to the sides with the duals, at least not more than 1/2" each
Mounts go through the board into a metal backplate screwed into the MB tray.
Hope that helps some.
I was thinking on this myself and came up with this idea.
Take a piece of 6" PVC, like plumping pipe, cut out a 4.5"wide slice running length ways..So that it curls around the HS but doesn't go under them.
You'd be making a piece that looked like the roof on the old airplane hangers.
Now that "slice" only needs to be the length of the 2 heatsinks. So you'd have a 4.5" wide by(guess) 6" tall cutout on the back of this plastic as seen from the front..Fan top and bottom as I don't think you'd get the 4.5" wide fan inside the pipe..Maybe,maybe not, ok..now pick that apart..:D
Edit: PVC pipe can also be heated and bent to create a slight offset so as not to hit MB components.

[tiro_uspsss]

Maybe this will help. If you look at the pic posted earlier of this heatsink when mounted it is longer horizonitally when in a tower type case.
There is only 1" between the 2 sockets and thats why Intels are tough to get high end air cooling on.
With a single socket it's not an issue but with a dual it is. The HS can't "spread" out to the sides with the duals, at least not more than 1/2" each
Mounts go through the board into a metal backplate screwed into the MB tray.
Hope that helps some.
I was thinking on this myself and came up with this idea.
Take a piece of 6" PVC, like plumping pipe, cut out a 4.5"wide slice running length ways..So that it curls around the HS but doesn't go under them.
You'd be making a piece that looked like the roof on the old airplane hangers.
Now that "slice" only needs to be the length of the 2 heatsinks. So you'd have a 4.5" wide by(guess) 6" tall cutout on the back of this plastic as seen from the front..Fan top and bottom as I don't think you'd get the 4.5" wide fan inside the pipe..Maybe,maybe not, ok..now pick that apart..:D
Edit: PVC pipe can also be heated and bent to create a slight offset so as not to hit MB components.

na, i lost ya lol... r u saying simply make ur own retention system? if so, i totally agree - i have never thought of retention systems as something that is hard to modify or make ur own.. in fact next pay i'll be buying the IFX-14 & with a lil help from Dad, mounting it on a S478 mobo :D

[Movieman]

na, i lost ya lol... r u saying simply make ur own retention system? if so, i totally agree - i have never thought of retention systems as something that is hard to modify or make ur own.. in fact next pay i'll be buying the IFX-14 & with a lil help from Dad, mounting it on a S478 mobo :D

No, I'm saying cut a piece of 6" inside diameter PVC pipe the length of the top to bottom measurement of the inside of the case.
Then cut out as much on the backside of it as you need to drop it over the heatsinks, like a 4.5" wide by 5" tall cut/
120 fan at the bottom of the case,120 blowhole at top, both covered by the pipe. yes, will lose some to that cutout but I bet it would work well with the 2 fans blowing in from the bottom and sucking out at the top.

[tiro_uspsss]

No, I'm saying cut a piece of 6" inside diameter PVC pipe the length of the top to bottom measurement of the inside of the case.
Then cut out as much on the backside of it as you need to drop it over the heatsinks, like a 4.5" wide by 5" tall cut/
120 fan at the bottom of the case,120 blowhole at top, both covered by the pipe. yes, will lose some to that cutout but I bet it would work well with the 2 fans blowing in from the bottom and sucking out at the top.

so thats an idea for the duct? :confused:

(gotta go shower then go out to meet friend.. so this might be my last reply for a few hrs...)

[Movieman]

so thats an idea for the duct? :confused:

(gotta go shower then go out to meet friend.. so this might be my last reply for a few hrs...)

It's meant to be..Damn, I could go to the shop in my garage and make it easier than describe it..:D

[tiro_uspsss]

It's meant to be..Damn, I could go to the shop in my garage and make it easier than describe it..:D

:rofl: sorry man!... u sound like my Dad - his original trade was working with steel - he looks @ the 'problems' that ppl here encounter (like this one) & just laughs - to him theres always a solution, & he can also make it... lol... wish i had his talents & brains *sigh*... me better @ pc, he better @ fabrication.... :up:

ok i'm off now... hope to see some pics of ur idea when i get back :ROTF:

[Movieman]

:rofl: sorry man!... u sound like my Dad - his original trade was working with steel - he looks @ the 'problems' that ppl here encounter (like this one) & just laughs - to him theres always a solution, & he can also make it... lol... wish i had his talents & brains *sigh*... me better @ pc, he better @ fabrication.... :up:

ok i'm off now... hope to see some pics of ur idea when i get back :ROTF:

Forget pics, I could make it but try and stick that in an imaging app is beyond my talents..I'm old school..Piece of paper,measure 3 times, put down, smoke and coffee while I study the design to make sure it works and then make it.

[tiro_uspsss]

Forget pics, I could make it but try and stick that in an imaging app is beyond my talents..I'm old school..Piece of paper,measure 3 times, put down, smoke and coffee while I study the design to make sure it works and then make it.

i meant pics - of the finished product! :p: :D :up:

[Movieman]

i meant pics - of the finished product! :p: :D :up:

I don't need one..Machines are fine here..:D
Who else has a clover in the mid 60's on air at full load at 3157mhz?
Vantecs FTW!:up:

[STEvil]

If socket spacing is the same as X7DAL-E then the maximum heatsink width you can fit without the heatsinks touching each other is 80mm.

[radii]

I can't believe how much time and effort you guys have put into this !! Thanks a bunch. It has definetly "warmed-me-up" to a few new concepts :)

My initial reaction, when looking at the " duct " - plan, was that it might be more involving than I was hoping for. As much as I like the concept and think that it is probably very efficent, and I don't mind tools ( I'm an architectural model maker with access to a full shop with laser cutters, CNCs etc. ) but milling holes into my case is just not my bag baby ! Not now anyway ...
Also, my main objective for this project is to make it a quiet system. Adding four more fans to the case might do the opposite. But then again, I'm just speculating, as I don't know what a quiet fan " sounds " like. I might have to just buy some low dB fans to find out ...

So, Movieman suggested watercooling in his first post. This is becoming more appealing as it seems to be easier to install, better cooling and quieter ( I assume ). How loud are those fans on the external unit ?
Also, the waterblock does not seem to be compatible with my 771 socket :confused:

Thanks for indulging me ;)

[radii]

If socket spacing is the same as X7DAL-E then the maximum heatsink width you can fit without the heatsinks touching each other is 80mm.

Yes, the HR-01 X would not fit my board. They are 110 mm wide/long :(

[[XC] serlv]

I, too, am looking for a better cooling solution for my clovertown rigs. I am somewhat heartened by the last item, in the list of features, on the HR-01 X's preview page (http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_hr_01_x.htm)

Adjustable positioning on CPU for best angle on installation

I hope that means what it looks like! :)

It is hard to imagine Thermalright designing a heatsink, specifically for use on Socket 771 boards, that would preclude using them on dually boards. Unfathomable, really. But I suppose bigger design gaffes have been made. Lets' hope this is not the case, here.



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BTW, to support what MM said about planned imminent relase of thes heatsinks, this is what I got back from TR's sales Dept. in reply to my query:

From: Sales - Thermalright, Inc.
To: Scott R
Cc: Steven
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Socket 771


Hi,

Before end of the month you will see the model for sale at our resellers.

Thank you for your support in Thermalright!


Thermalright,

Chris Lee


Scott

[STEvil]

Looks like it can be rotated a couple degrees so the heatsinks will not hit each other.

What heatsink was it that people were putting shims between the mounting point to make it fit tighter to the CPU? Seems it was of a similar design iirc.

[radii]

Looks like it can be rotated a couple degrees so the heatsinks will not hit each other.

What heatsink was it that people were putting shims between the mounting point to make it fit tighter to the CPU? Seems it was of a similar design iirc.

A couple of degrees wouldn't really do any good, unless that would mean at least 35 - 45 degrees.
Thermalright seems to be ignoring my e-mails requesting information for this product. Oh well, Watercooling here I come ...

[STEvil]

~15 degrees it looks like to me. I think with each rotated close to 15 degrees they would be fine.

[radii]

Movieman:

I just ( finally ) read your review of the Swiftech water cooling system. It shure sounds like the way to go. How much did the complete system incl. the second waterblock set you back ? Anything else I should order at the same time, such as adapter kits, tubing, paste etc. ?
If I were to mount the fan unit on the outside of the case, are the extra case fans needed ?
I might even try to overclock the baby then ... ! I'm afraid that somebody is going to have to hold my hand again during that procedure ;)

[Movieman]

Movieman:

I just ( finally ) read your review of the Swiftech water cooling system. It shure sounds like the way to go. How much did the complete system incl. the second waterblock set you back ? Anything else I should order at the same time, such as adapter kits, tubing, paste etc. ?
If I were to mount the fan unit on the outside of the case, are the extra case fans needed ?
I might even try to overclock the baby then ... ! I'm afraid that somebody is going to have to hold my hand again during that procedure ;)

YGPM

[Movieman]

Yes, the HR-01 X would not fit my board. They are 110 mm wide/long :(

110mm is side to sie measurement when viewed in the case..(length)
top to botom is 60mm..They will fit..
I have the same board and may very soon have those heat sinks.
I'm thinking a 120 on the bottom one blowing through, then another 120 on the top sucking out..Maybe a blowhole right above the top fan to exhaust the heat..