AM2 Processors

[BucNastyHater]

I have another thread in here about me making the jump to AM2, focusing on motherboards tho. I didnt want to mix it up too much so I decided to make another one for processors. I have a few questions to begin tho:

1) Is there a performance difference between the 65W chips and the 89W chips?

2) Does the Wattage have an effect on oc'ing? Especially if I get the DFI board.

3) I was just informed about the Barcelona chips coming out within 3 weeks. 35% more efficient, same price as X2's, and quad cores. I've seen the Intel Quad chip temps and I have to say that I hope the Barcelona's dont hit those temps. I havent seen any benchmarks yet, so I dont think they are out. I'm guessing these are AM2 socket cpu's. I dont really have a need for a quad core, I think I'd be fine with an X2 3800+ oc'ed slightly.

4) Any difference in the 65nm & 90nm chips? Input would be nice on this. I did not list any 65nm chips on the poll that I know of. But the X2 4000+ is an option also

Any info and opinions on the Barcelona's would be greatly appriciated. BTW, I would like to keep it under $100.

[uwackme]

The results from the 5200+ 5600+ and 6000+ are enough to justify the extra $$ do upgrade to one of them rather than spend $99 on something lesser.

Nothing is using the dual cores much YET.... so why have another 2 idle cores. Hold off on quad core till :banana::banana::banana::banana: starts making real use of it.

[BucNastyHater]

Nothing is using the dual cores much YET.... so why have another 2 idle cores. Hold off on quad core till starts making real use of it.

Thats what I was thinking.

[BucNastyHater]

Any difference with the 65w & 89w versions of chips? The 5200+ is looking pretty good right now.

[informal]

Any difference with the 65w & 89w versions of chips? The 5200+ is looking pretty good right now.

Hi there.Yes ,65W has lower Vcore and is usually better OCer.Pick one up if you can(the 65W version).The 65W is an F3 (golden for OC :) ) stepping and has this opn codes on the box:
OPN Tray ADO5200IAA6CZ <--- this is what should be on the chip itself(you can see that through the plastic on the BOX)

OPN PIB ADO5200CZBOX <-- look for this one to identify the 65W.Can be found on the sticker on top of the BOX


65W version:http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=34

89W version:http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=94

[BucNastyHater]

These are the ones I'm looking at:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Search.jsp

If I did buy one of the lower priced, 89w processors, would I be able to get at least 3Ghz? Is there a huge margin between the 89w F2 steppings, and the 65w F3 steppings?

[zanzabar]

arnt the 65W 65nm while the 89 are 90nm

adn there will be duel core barcalona like duel socket f main stream chips

[informal]

These are the ones I'm looking at:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Search.jsp

If I did buy one of the lower priced, 89w processors, would I be able to get at least 3Ghz? Is there a huge margin between the 89w F2 steppings, and the 65w F3 steppings?

Get this one,it's the cheepest of all 5200+ and it is the F3!
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80740

[BucNastyHater]

Are you sure? In the specs it says F2 stepping & its the 89w. I know they make mistakes but it says what it is in the specs.

[informal]

Well i hope it's not the mistake,since when you open that link,first thing you see is Manufacturer SKU: AMD ADA5200CZBOX,which means F3.
But they could make a mistake i guess,it happens everywhere.

[BucNastyHater]

I'll try and double check to make sure, I hope its correct with the SKU, and the posted specs are wrong. The most expensive, out of stock one says its the F3 stepping, but the specs could be incorrect on that too. Like I said, I'll double check before I order.

[b1lk1]

I'm getting a 6000+ in a few weeks myself. I can't help but dream of 3GHz stock speeds. I'm gonna keep track of these latest AMD threads. Nice to see some of you guys still care about AMD and not just E-Peen, LOL!

[BucNastyHater]

Good luck with your 6000+. Sounds like a dream. I tried talking my friend into getting it with his last build a month ago, but he wanted the FX-62. AMD all the way.

[largon]

We know AMD is having problems with their 65nm process and current leakage and voltage, some dies leak considerably more than others even exceeding the leakages on the worst 90nm models. But, then there's some dies that do just fine with comparably lower leakage. There's only one thing AMD can logically do to minimize the problem; bin the worst dies to low voltages and frequencies.

This means lower rated 65nm procs should OC noticeably worse and consume more power at a given OC & vCore than a higher bin 65nm at the same OC & vCore.

[Shaz]

I've had great results with my 65w 3800+. It clocks great and just nudged 3.0GHz although it didn't last long at all. 2.9GHz, but if I had a better cooler it would probably go a bit further.

[BucNastyHater]

I wanted to get a 65nm cpu after they came out but I never heard about problems from them. I just wonder how small the dies will go. Intel is at 45nm if im not mistaken, but how much smaller can they really make them?

Nice OC Shaz. Thats awesome for a 3800. What stepping do you have?

[BucNastyHater]

adn there will be duel core barcalona like duel socket f main stream chips

If the Barcelona's will be dual core & quad core, will they be similar to the X2's, but a whole new product line, or be X2's with Barcelona being the new type of core, like Manchester or Winsdor, etc?

[Jamesrt2004]

If the Barcelona's will be dual core & quad core, will they be similar to the X2's, but a whole new product line, or be X2's with Barcelona being the new type of core, like Manchester or Winsdor, etc?

New Architecture?

[VVJ]

If the Barcelona's will be dual core & quad core, will they be similar to the X2's, but a whole new product line, or be X2's with Barcelona being the new type of core, like Manchester or Winsdor, etc?
Barcelona code-named processors have an absolutely new architecture. For example, the physical address space increased to 48 bit, the integrated NB supports both DDR2 and DDR3 DIMMs and has two independent DRAM controllers, CPU core disable capability, HT link 3.0 at 3.2GHz, separate CPU core and Northbridge power control, etc.

[BucNastyHater]

Wow, sounds like it might be worth waiting for. And this will all work on current AM2 boards, correct?

[EvlUndrWareNome]

build the platform, get a placeholder.

Q1 should bring us phenom.

[VVJ]

Wow, sounds like it might be worth waiting for. And this will all work on current AM2 boards, correct?
Most of the features are not supported by the Socket AM2 and even AM2r2 at all. Wait better for AM3-based boards. AMD Family 10h processors are really powerful as to new technologies. For the movement, Intel doesn’t have an answer to AMD.

[BucNastyHater]

I cant wait. When is a possible release date for AM3?

[informal]

It is a long wait for AM3 socket..One year approx.
Don wait,just grab some good 590SLI(Foxconn C51) mobo and go with 5600+.Later on drop in some quad core AM2 Phenom and you will be settled for a long time.OCing should work good since you would "lose" only separate voltage planes for northbridge and cores,meaning you would run the same volts for both(we don't know how much this could be worse than OCing on the AM2+ mobo).

[BucNastyHater]

Everything came today. It is the F3 too. Within two weeks this beast should be up and running. I need to use the card for 100 hrs+ before I send it to john, so next weekend he'll get it and then send it back on Monday. By the 15th it should all be done. I want to get a Dell 2407FPW-HC by then. Its only $609.