CNET: DX10 is really bad right now

[SaII]

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9750536-1.html

[Chewbenator]

the sweet spot for game developers is still DX9 games on Windows XP.

And the sweet spot for gamers is DX9 games on DX10 hardware :P Of course $270+ DX10 hardware.

[CedricFP]

Hmmm... well, to be honest, I think most people bought their DX10 cards for their DX9 performance - they are still the flagships.

[mukmaster]

DX10 is bad news bears !!!

[Ubermann]

DX10 has to be a failure..
How many games have we seen were DX10 adds very little effects but kills the fps totally.

[alayashu]

DX10 has to be a failure..
How many games have we seen were DX10 adds very little effects but kills the fps totally.

this has nothing to do with the API itself, but the lack of class programmers and
maybe video card drivers. Current DX10 games are mostly programming
experiments to get in touch with the API, but this should change with Crysis+ :)

[Yukon Trooper]

What is everybody's major malfunction with their hate on for DX10? I think most people are nay sayers because it is connected at the hip with Vista which I suppose I understand but still. You sound like a bunch of kids who have never tried a certain vegetable before, but you insist it is disgusting!

DX10 was just born and it needs time to grow. Just like any other immature piece of technology it gets better with revisions, drivers etc. All the potential is there it just needs to be run efficiently. Look how much better the 8800's are after a few driver updates. DX9 wasn't the flashy piece of technology it is now when it first came out. Now that its potential has been exposed and we have the hardware to fully utilize it, it's great!

My god people. 80% of us haven't even played a DX10 game but we all still make all these assumptions. There are hardly even any games that use DX10 yet so trying to defraud something that hasn't even seen the light of day yet is truly weak.

I agree that we should have the hardware first before the software but that just isn't the case. Look at Oblivion for example. It's a piece of software that was way ahead of the hardware. It was a full year before we could tame it!

[[XC] flat-four]

Well said. I reserve judgement for a game that is actually playable in real life. I'm sure these nvidia/amd engineers have access to betas that we can only dream about that allow them to tweak their drivers/hardware to what they should be at. These drivers will eventually catch up to where the potential limit is of these initial dx10 cards.

[XSAlliN]

If we look back at M$ statements about DX10, it really is failure. Were is that DX10 that would look great and be playable on any DX10 hardware from mainstream to above? - or maybe this was intended for 2057, if we live that long.:shrug:

[Yukon Trooper]

If we look back at M$ statements about DX10, it really is failure. Were is that DX10 that would look great and be playable on any DX10 hardware from mainstream to above? - or maybe this was intended for 2057, if we live that long.:shrug:
It's just marketing. I could draw upon 1000 examples where a company has projected something but fell well short of their promise.

[DeathReborn]

flat-four;2339207']Well said. I reserve judgement for a game that is actually playable in real life. I'm sure these nvidia/amd engineers have access to betas that we can only dream about that allow them to tweak their drivers/hardware to what they should be at. These drivers will eventually catch up to where the potential limit is of these initial dx10 cards.

nVidia & AMD can only tweak drivers & hardware so much for a crippled piece of software. If the program itself is bad then it's down to the programmers to fix.

[Shintai]

DX10 is fine. DX10 is also faster than DX9 for the same content. Since DX10 got less overhead.

Game developers have to choose between a few things. Add a DX10 path to make it better to play on Vista than DX9. maybe add a tiny bit of stuff. Or Add ALOT of stuff and make it almost unplayable on a 8800/2900 series card.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=6

COH is alot slower on DX10, LP is a tad faster on the 8800 series. CJ is a tad slower.

People just need to be patient and let the devs get familiar with DX10. Along with drivers.

[Ubermann]

DX10 is fine. DX10 is also faster than DX9 for the same content. Since DX10 got less overhead.

Game developers have to choose between a few things. Add a DX10 path to make it better to play on Vista than DX9. maybe add a tiny bit of stuff. Or Add ALOT of stuff and make it almost unplayable on a 8800/2900 series card.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=6

COH is alot slower on DX10, LP is a tad faster on the 8800 series. CJ is a tad slower.

People just need to be patient and let the devs get familiar with DX10. Along with drivers.

"DX10 is also faster than DX9 for the same content"
Then you point to a link where it really show that its not faster but slower..

And we have seen some game where they add a very very tiny bit of DX10 and totally killed the FPS.

Did i missunderstand you ?

[Shintai]

"DX10 is also faster than DX9 for the same content"
Then you point to a link where it really show that its not faster but slower..

And we have seen some game where they add a very very tiny bit of DX10 and totally killed the FPS.

Did i missunderstand you ?

No, you just forgot to check the link.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/first%20dx10%20games_07050720716/15005.png

DX10 API got about 20% less overhead on execution. VDDM model and such takes up abit of that. but overall there is a small boost. However it requires both drivers to be mature, and the game developers to have some experience with it. And should they add just alittle extra to the DX10, if not alot, then it quickly gets even more messy to compare.

[Ubermann]

Thats the only title that shows some improvment for 3 cards.
And its 3%.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/first%20dx10%20games_07050720716/15004.png

That shows something else..

The title to Anandtech is "Real World DirectX 10 Performance: It Ain't Pretty

Maybe it gets good in 1 to 2 years from now..when we have at least twice the performance of the GPU's

[Speederlander]

Isn't the code for DX10 now managed code by default? I.e. the only way to get use of DX10 new functionality is to go through the new coding structures of WPF and .Net? This would explain the performance hit...

[Ubermann]

I wonder who we should blame, is it Nvidia/Ati ?

[Eastcoasthandle]

No, you just forgot to check the link.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/first%20dx10%20games_07050720716/15005.png

DX10 API got about 20% less overhead on execution. VDDM model and such takes up abit of that. but overall there is a small boost. However it requires both drivers to be mature, and the game developers to have some experience with it. And should they add just alittle extra to the DX10, if not alot, then it quickly gets even more messy to compare.

That's a very poor example knowing good and well there is very liittle if no difference between DX9 and DX10 version of that game. :shakes: Nearly the same results can be had with some older hardware and DX9. Therefore, no strides have been made here. Another fallacy is the fact that gains are only found with 1 hardware brand. DX10 was not created to work faster with 1 hardware brand.

[Shintai]

No, it was an example on DX10 could be faster with the same game compared to DX9. And I still consider drievrs and gamecoding for DX10 as in early stage.

[Eastcoasthandle]

No, it was an example on DX10 could be faster with the same game compared to DX9. And I still consider drievrs and gamecoding for DX10 as in early stage.

If people want to play DX9 version they can. However, they don't need a DX9 experience in a DX10 title, just to say DX10 could be faster.

[SaII]

I bet DX10 would've caught on a LOT fast if MS had put it on XP

is there a reason why they locked it in with vista other then money?

[Verisimilitude]

The new API needed an entire new OS to work properly.

[Jamesrt2004]

I bet DX10 would've caught on a LOT fast if MS had put it on XP

is there a reason why they locked it in with vista other then money?

something to do with the driver system they do or something like that

[nn_step]

Boy the people who wrote that story is going to be seriously embarrassed, considering the shift that is taking place...

[gillll]

wake up and smell the humus. !

i just don't get ms.

dx10 is like their OSes u need tomorrow's hardware to run it.

haven't they learn something ? also nvidia and ati .

don't those companies has "working together teams" ?
or on the day ms took had out dx10 nvidia and ati had started working on it .
both nvidia and ati failed to see that, they should have know that ms is like this - their software matures only after sp2 and especially with the next gfx api for the whole ms world of appliances

[xlink]

No, it was an example on DX10 could be faster with the same game compared to DX9. And I still consider drievrs and gamecoding for DX10 as in early stage.

i love examples which fall within a 3% margin of error...

[BrowncoatGR]

OpenGL 3.0 FTW.

[`danny]

IMO DX10 has been a disappointment up until this point so I am waiting for Crysis and if the performance vs DX9 is very poor than I have given up hope.

[Eastcoasthandle]

IMO DX10 has been a disappointment up until this point so I am waiting for Crysis and if the performance vs DX9 is very poor than I have given up hope.

From the videos released so far, I find very little difference between DX9/DX10. However, I await the review to see the final product. :p:

[Kingcarcas]

I'm guessing it will just take some time. Which is great because i'm out of a job right now :shrug:

[dinos22]

DX10 was supposed to speed things up too but it hasn't

i play a bit of World in Conflict and i can tell you right now DX9 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than DX10


:(

[Shintai]

DX10 was supposed to speed things up too but it hasn't

i play a bit of World in Conflict and i can tell you right now DX9 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than DX10


:(

If you dont add any new features or content for the DX10 part, yes. But developers tend to add more.