Are new G0 chips really too good OCers? - No!

[OBR]

I am very dissapointed now with "this new magic G0 cpus" ... i have TWO pretty new Retail E6750 chips and E6650 chips. First E6750 is Orthos stable only at 3400MHz at 1.55V real ..., second is very similar ... 3400MHz at 1.53V - this is very poor score.

Both E6650 are tragedy, max Orthos stable 3300MHz at ANY voltage ... Dont buy this ...

I tested it on EVGA and Striker mobo, with High End watercooling (two pumps, two rads, Apogee GTX) ...

BUT my ES E6850 is pretty Orthos stable at 4GHz ... it is great cpu. Tommorow i will get retail E6850 and i will see ... i believe E6850 will go to 4GHz, but cheapest models are very bad ...

[kiwi]

Still luck :)

[Gautam]

Since its a new revision its only natural that there is some slightly heavy binning going on.

Nothing's ever guaranteed in this business. :cool:

[The Nemesis]

not a suprise........:rolleyes:

[Speederlander]

Just goes to show how ridiculous it is for people to get excited about an upcoming product based on early OCing results from ES chips. Too-good-to-be-true ES results might as well have no relation to the retail versions at all. At best it's toally random in the retail chips, with the typical occasional "good OC" chip.

[newls1]

This is not the thread I want to read! Just 1 hour ago I place my order at tankguys for the Q6600 G0 chip. Damn it, now I just hope the retail chips scale close to the ES chips.......

[Brother Esau]

HA HA I just offered to sell my E6420 that does 3.5GHZ @ 1.43v for $160.00 when I get my Q6600 in a week or so fella said he'll pass:confused: considering its a month old for $160.00 and does 3.5GHZ and probably more I cant understand what people are thinking some times!:rofl:

[MikalCarbine]

Where'd you buy the e6550 and e6750?

[alpha0ne]

My e6750

SLA9V Malay
L719A823
Max 1.35Vcore
Pack Date 06/26/07

currently @ 3.60GHz using 1.55Vcore, what a POS but 'seems' to be running cool but no two apps report the same temp and coretemp is useless with the new G0 chips :down:

[MacClipper]

Batch numbers for those duds? :D

[erwinz]

post the FPO batch please.. :D

[StealthyFish]

HA HA I just offered to sell my E6420 that does 3.5GHZ @ 1.43v for $160.00 when I get my Q6600 in a week or so fella said he'll pass:confused: considering its a month old for $160.00 and does 3.5GHZ and probably more I cant understand what people are thinking some times!:rofl:

Intel employee discount ;)

[Solarfall]

... well this is disappointing. but its still too early to say anything for sure imo .its always plain simple luck that what kind of chip you will get.

[OBR]

Many peoples expected "a OC miracle" from this new revision ... but this cpus are "the same Ocers" like last batches of B3 chips ...

Maybe this first batches (my all L719A) are bad, in future will have better, i want to see great G0 Quad Ocers ... but who knows ...

Only one is true, E6850 seems to be great Ocers now ... but E6750, E6650 are not too good ...

[DEVIL K-ce]

Since its a new revision its only natural that there is some slightly heavy binning going on.

Nothing's ever guaranteed in this business. :cool:

I fully agree with this. :up:

The same situation with B2 cpu - one is pretty, next is crap.

[ExodusC]

I want to wait until I see some more results. I might just go and buy a Q6600 on the 22nd and not worry about G0 if there isn't a big improvement. Then again, I was hoping the hype on these G0 chips might be true...

I haven't ordered anything yet, so...

[xgman]

I think the higher the model # you go in retail, the closer the chip will preform like the ES version of the same. Once a series goes into production, it is inevitable that a higher percebtage of slower chips will get binned down just due to volume. During ES prodcution, a smaller amount of silicon is used and quality is held up, so the different parts are going to be closer. I would not be surprised though, to see the retail top end cpu's maxing out in the same neighborhood as the ES's of the same model.

[Brother Esau]

Intel employee discount ;)


Damn....Busted:D Offers still on the table:)

[Machinus]

Since its a new revision its only natural that there is some slightly heavy binning going on.

I thought binning was light at release??

[trans am]

post the dates and batch numbers please so we can keep track easier.

[michaLcoughliN]

E6550 g0 cpus seem to do well. From the few ive seen. 3.8ghz @ 1.4vcore dont know if it ws stable but. Damn.

[ExodusC]

E6550 g0 cpus seem to do well. From the few ive seen. 3.8ghz @ 1.4vcore dont know if it ws stable but. Damn.

I'm just worried about the Q6600s and how they overclock.

[MaK2000]

I too am planning on getting a Q66 after the price drop. Just got my Striker Extreme, Muskin 1066, and an Ultra 120 Extreme. I hope it isn't a flop. I was really hoping for 4Ghz on air.

[mcflurry4321]

I've got a e6550 that's running 100% stable at 3640 at 1.4 volts. I'm happy with it. I have full confidence in the G0 chips.

[MikalCarbine]

Just ordered a E6750 today with an IP35 and Ballistix 8500, I'm hoping for at least in the 3.6-3.8 range

[Forsaken1]

OBR.Thanks for sharing with us.

FPO batch please.From posters happy or not.

[bingo13]

Just goes to show how ridiculous it is for people to get excited about an upcoming product based on early OCing results from ES chips. Too-good-to-be-true ES results might as well have no relation to the retail versions at all. At best it's toally random in the retail chips, with the typical occasional "good OC" chip.

My retail chips clock better than my ES chips. ;) For the OP, try those chips on a P35 board. :up:

[zerazax]

I too am planning on getting a Q66 after the price drop. Just got my Striker Extreme, Muskin 1066, and an Ultra 120 Extreme. I hope it isn't a flop. I was really hoping for 4Ghz on air.

4.0Ghz on air from a Q66 in the heat of Palm Springs, CA is just asking to be set up for failure...

[newls1]

My retail chips clock better than my ES chips. ;) For the OP, try those chips on a P35 board. :up:

Im so happy with your post I could hug you:eleph: I am praying that my G0 Q6600 that comes at some point will scale decently.

[MarlboroMan]

old Conroes still the best clockers... most of them are between week L626 <--> L630 ;)

[Grinch]

Just ordered a E6750 today with an IP35 and Ballistix 8500, I'm hoping for at least in the 3.6-3.8 range

from where?

[Metroid]

Well not sure about but maybe EU G0 batches are not as good as the ones sold in American. It is just a guess after all.

[Kunaak]

some CPU's suck, some dont.
the same is true today, as it was every other day before today.
and it will be true ten years from now too.

theres no garauntees in overclocking.

[orion23]

I thought the main feature for the G0 stepping was the lower temperatures?

The Overclocking part has always been a matter of luck.

I had to go through 3 or 4 different E6600's to find one that would do 4ghz :D

And I will go Q6600 G0 soon since I want to try a Quad :shrug:

I'll leave the overclocking to my luck and nothing else....

[EternityZX9]

I too am planning on getting a Q66 after the price drop. Just got my Striker Extreme, Muskin 1066, and an Ultra 120 Extreme. I hope it isn't a flop. I was really hoping for 4Ghz on air.

I highly doubt 4Ghz will happen on air (at least for 24/7 use). There's a good chance on watercooling though. I'm thinking 3.3-3.6 on air 24/7 stable...depends on what your setup is and how good of a chip you get.

That's my educated guess.

[GazC]

some CPU's suck, some dont.
the same is true today, as it was every other day before today.
and it will be true ten years from now too.

theres no garauntees in overclocking.

Very true, the only guarantee you can make is that prior to a new chip/ram/gfx card being released is that certain high profile overclockers will get handed cherries to play with who then post their awesome results online which then make the rest up us plebs pee our pants with excitement. Disappointment then follows, seen it all too often.

Thought I must admit to also being sucked into thinking that the G0 stepping was going to be the next XP-M.

Gaz the cynic.

[ineedaname]

My e6600 is a pretty good clocker but it runs hot as hell. I was thinkin of trying my luck with one of these g0 steppings. Now I'm not so sure.

[fallwind]

Someone needs to get an actual temp probe on these G0's. The coretemp readings are almost too good to be true.

[mascaras]

there is any way to check G0 steping in the CPU BOX (BATCH or FPO) or we can only check with CPU-Z???

regards

[adamsleath]

if u already have a good clocking 6600 or equivalent why even bother with a 6x50?
quad is the next step...and g0 has proven to be cooler for all the people who want to oc the quads on air....but as far as the actual oc potential of the quad (even a cool one)
:shrug: heat is not the only factor...some chips just do not oc at "reasonable" voltages.
crysis and hl2ep2 will benefit from quaddies :)
amongst other programs...and im sure the list of multicore apps will keep growing over the next 6-12 months. i predict dual core demand will plummet if quad cores are available @ reasonable prices.

as of 22ndish july there is only 1 'affordable' quad core chip.

dual: e2180; e4500; e6420; e6600/6700; e6x50....a few more choices.


the key to quad cores is multithreaded apps. NOT speed.
although more speed will come with 45nm.
or a frozen cpu :lol:

the difference between 3.4 and 4.0 is absolutely bugger all - the benefis of a quad are more tangible with multithreaded apps and/or more apps at once.

[Start]

if u already have a good clocking 6600 or equivalent why even bother with a 6x50?
quad is the next step...and g0 has proven to be cooler for all the people who want to oc the quads on air....but as far as the actual oc potential of the quad (even a cool one)
:shrug: heat is not the only factor...some chips just do not oc at "reasonable" voltages.
crysis and hl2ep2 will benefit from quaddies :)
amongst other programs...and im sure the list of multicore apps will keep growing over the next 6-12 months. i predict dual core demand will plummet if quad cores are available @ reasonable prices.

as of 22ndish july there is only 1 'affordable' quad core chip.

dual: e2180; e4500; e6420; e6600/6700; e6x50....a few more choices.


the key to quad cores is multithreaded apps. NOT speed.
although more speed will come with 45nm.
or a frozen cpu :lol:

the difference between 3.4 and 4.0 is absolutely bugger all - the benefis of a quad are more tangible with multithreaded apps and/or more apps at once.

technically 3 if you cound the X3210 and X3220 :D

[nugzo]

My question is this........why pair an nFarce 680i which is not a P35 with a Q6600?

We've seen what a P35 can do with a Q6600.

I too would be worried in getting a Q6600, "IF" I had an nFarce chipset and being that I wouldn't even touch one with a 10ft pole, I don't have anything to worry about it.

nFarce 680i :shakes:

P35 means absolutely nothing to those of us with 2 8800 ultras...... Or anything SLI for that matter. :shrug: :hump: :dammit:

[eva2000]

from looks of it all the good G0 clockers probably went into E6850 G0 retails and left overs bumped down to E6750/E6550 G0 retails ?

[PanteraGSTK]

I would like to have a G0 q6600 or e6850, but I still haven't found a motherboard that can max out my conroe E6300. I've gotten it up to 3750mhz on air with a 536hmz fsb with my crappy boards. This is 3dmark stable too. I've been wanting a new cpu to play with, but until I find the maximum capability of my current cpu, I don't think I'll be buying anything in the near future.

[OBR]

from looks of it all the good G0 clockers probably went into E6850 G0 retails and left overs bumped down to E6750/E6550 G0 retails ?

Yes :( it seems like that ...

but we need more tested chips ...

[Dumo]

Theres microcode revision for each and every stepping (C2D) from B0 to B3 to E0/G0. So the best bet is to get (final) retail cpu and mobo that maximize the new revision.

Last year we doubt Conroe will oc'd to 4Ghz with air, but X6800ES B1 easily reach 4 gig then B2 retail easy 4.6Ghz with subzero.

The search for golden chip is never ending:).....http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73754&highlight=search+golden

and

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111517

[alpha0ne]

Tried 3.70GHz with these settings and BSOD :down:

1.590Vcore set in bios/1.53Vcore under load for only 3648MHz

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9029/3648mhz159vcorepv0.jpg

Settled for 3.40GHz with 1.45Vcore set in bios with only 2.0Vdimm

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/669/340ghz145vcorebf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[nzbleach]

this is sad to see. I may just fork out the extra cash for the E6850. Even then I feel im taking a risk.

[michaLcoughliN]

I would like to have a G0 q6600 or e6850, but I still haven't found a motherboard that can max out my conroe E6300. I've gotten it up to 3750mhz on air with a 536hmz fsb with my crappy boards. This is 3dmark stable too. I've been wanting a new cpu to play with, but until I find the maximum capability of my current cpu, I don't think I'll be buying anything in the near future.

3.5 is still pretty good on E6300 dude. I have mine @ 3.3ghz. Seems quick. But not quick enough.

Reason why I want my hands on either E6850 / Q6600. To be honest. too much of this.. too much of that going on. No real benches to prove "what is better" unless I have been mistakenly blinded by not reading doing my research.

There is truly no true benchmark to say "at 4ghz E6850 <=> Q6600 @3.3ghz_ as Example.

[Viss]

there is any way to check G0 steping in the CPU BOX (BATCH or FPO) or we can only check with CPU-Z???

regards

SLAxx = G0 as far as i know...

[LogAn'sRun]

Usch. Now my head hurts.
All this talk of chips is like watching the tide, somedays it pulls in, somedays it pulls out. I don't get it, a week ago everyone is raving about the 'miracle' 6x50 chips and how great GO stepping will be, and now it's like 'no they suck'. Opinions change daily here, and it's impossible to base decisions on a few samples. Methinks it's prolly safer to wait d-day+7 until we have a much bigger sample size. And then see where the opinion shifts. I mean, we're waiting until the 22nd, what's another week on top of that? Or should we just hop onto the Q-train as c2d's is becoming a dying animal?

[XtremeTiramisu]

After reading countless thread regarding E6850 vs Q6600 G0s, I think I'll still go for a G0 Quad 6600 for various reasons. Since I already have a golden E6700 as a C2D, my money towards the next CPU investment is going to be a quad Q6600 :)

Sooner or later multi-threaded application will be more significant then just pure mhz OC on C2Ds.

[NightRaven]

somehow i seem to find that only the ES chips did really well...

intel hype maybe?

[NightRaven]

Sooner or later multi-threaded application will be more significant then just pure mhz OC on C2Ds.

a good point and i agree with that

[Jacky]

somehow i seem to find that only the ES chips did really well...

intel hype maybe?

yeah kinda...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=151840
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=151164
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=151652

not, the e6850s are good that's for sure :)

[Tony]

Intel are binning now, you want the high clocks get the cpu with the higher multi.

Im kinda pleased as it will calm this "will it do 600fsb" we have been seeing which does nothing more than slow the chipset to hit the clocks.

You get what you pay for...6850's are not that expensive after all

[MikalCarbine]

from where?

Priceguidenetwork, I have never heard of them until they were linked to in the E6850 thread under Online Deals, they have good customer support, I emailed them a few questions and they replied fast, their ballistix are cheap too

I hope with the IP35 Pro I can get a decent clock, I should have it in this Friday and I'll post some results

[Forsaken1]

E6850 showed up today from Allstar.
Prod Code:BX80557E6850SLA9U
FOP/BATCH:L718A190
Pack Date 6/27/07

Mobo should be here in a hour or two.Do not think my DFI ICFX 3200 T2R/G will support it.Then ill put it under water.

[palese]

E6850 is a great chip and at a great price.

[ziddey]

just got my 6750 l719a. hope it's ok :(

[The Nemesis]

Intel are binning now, you want the high clocks get the cpu with the higher multi.

Im kinda pleased as it will calm this "will it do 600fsb" we have been seeing which does nothing more than slow the chipset to hit the clocks.

You get what you pay for...6850's are not that expensive after all

So is this the same for quads? Will buying a Q6600 G0 not be a`good idea? Should we go for the Q6700 instead.

[Lu(ky]

Priceguidenetwork, I have never heard of them until they were linked to in the E6850 thread under Online Deals, they have good customer support, I emailed them a few questions and they replied fast, their ballistix are cheap too

I hope with the IP35 Pro I can get a decent clock, I should have it in this Friday and I'll post some results

Just bought the last one in stock of the e6850 @ Priceguidenetwork :D

Now I need to buy my mobo for it. These are my top 3 mobo so far. Please help pick which one? Plan on just 1 8800GTX on water for now will add 2nd card in couple of months.
Thx

Asus Striker Extreme
Asus P5K Deluxe WiFi
eVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1

[MikalCarbine]

From those 3 I'd get the P5K.

[Grinch]

E6850 showed up today from Allstar.
Prod Code:BX80557E6850SLA9U
FOP/BATCH:L718A190
Pack Date 6/27/07

Mobo should be here in a hour or two.Do not think my DFI ICFX 3200 T2R/G will support it.Then ill put it under water.

waiting to see what happens...just ordered the same cpu from the same place as well...glad to see that you got your cpu...:up:

[ziddey]

Just received my E6750 L719A from PGN.

Threw it in my DFI P965-S. Old setup was 8x450=3600 1.5v. Wouldn't post at these settings, and after numerous up and down cycles, it went down to 8x266=2133 with 1.35v.

Able to get 8x400=3200 with 1.36v actual, but it pretty much ends there.

8x420=3360 with even 1.5v actual results in instant lockup. Tried ramming a dildo up vtt and vmch's ass to no avail.

Also, the coretemp readout is absolute bull. At idle, I see around 12'c in coretemp. At load, coretemp is around 30'c with 1.36v.

That said, the dfi cpu readout used to be pretty much identical to coretemp with my other c2d (e6400), so if that's still accurate, then temp's are around 41'c under load, which is the same as what I got with the e6400 and 1.36v.

[LagunaX]

Just received my E6750 L719A from PGN.

Threw it in my DFI P965-S. Old setup was 8x450=3600 1.5v. Wouldn't post at these settings, and after numerous up and down cycles, it went down to 8x266=2133 with 1.35v.

Able to get 8x400=3200 with 1.36v actual, but it pretty much ends there.



Sorry dude...Oh boy...I hope my e6850 from pgn isn't a dud too...will find out in a coupla days...

[Pete@X]

Intel are binning now, you want the high clocks get the cpu with the higher multi.

Im kinda pleased as it will calm this "will it do 600fsb" we have been seeing which does nothing more than slow the chipset to hit the clocks.

You get what you pay for...6850's are not that expensive after all

... or you are lucky and get a Retail E6750 like this:

Right now primeing away on Air @ 1,312V and 3,7GHz :shocked:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1615/dq66750370002ba8.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dq66750370002ba8.jpg)

[ziddey]

what's the week

[MikalCarbine]

... or you are lucky and get a Retail E6750 like this:

Right now primeing away on Air @ 1,312V and 3,7GHz :shocked:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1615/dq66750370002ba8.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dq66750370002ba8.jpg)

Pete, if that is you're E6750, do tell me where and when you bought it :D

I want to see results from people who bought from PGN

[Pete@X]

Pete, if that is youe E6750, do tell me where and when you bought it :D

I want to see results from people who bought from PGN

Here Germany from www.trend4pc.de and regarding the Batch, it´s an L719B174

[Lu(ky]

I am very dissapointed now with "this new magic G0 cpus" ... i have TWO pretty new Retail E6750 chips and E6650 chips. First E6750 is Orthos stable only at 3400MHz at 1.55V real ..., second is very similar ... 3400MHz at 1.53V - this is very poor score.

Both E6650 are tragedy, max Orthos stable 3300MHz at ANY voltage ... Dont buy this ...

I tested it on EVGA and Striker mobo, with High End watercooling (two pumps, two rads, Apogee GTX) ...

BUT my ES E6850 is pretty Orthos stable at 4GHz ... it is great cpu. Tommorow i will get retail E6850 and i will see ... i believe E6850 will go to 4GHz, but cheapest models are very bad ...


Have you tested the e6850 on the eVGA board yet?

[road-runner]

E6850 showed up today from Allstar.
Prod Code:BX80557E6850SLA9U
FOP/BATCH:L718A190
Pack Date 6/27/07

Mobo should be here in a hour or two.Do not think my DFI ICFX 3200 T2R/G will support it.Then ill put it under water.

Same chip I have. I got mine yesterday and installed it and it would not boot on the same settings I was running my E6600 at 425X9 1.55 4-4-4-12. I had to reset cmos and ended up havening to give the mch +25 and fsb +.10. I ran Occt at 4Ghz 1.55volts 445X9 with no problem. Trying to run orthos now it kept failing I had to raise the vcore two increments and its been running about 10 minutes. Ran a suicide at 1.65 volts 4401 (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=218126)

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/road-runnerOCC/4005_OCCT.png

[StealthyFish]

Damn....Busted:D Offers still on the table:)

chip is damn good though. overclocks nicely :)

[LagunaX]

Here Germany from www.trend4pc.de and regarding the Batch, it´s an L719B174

How is it every time that the better "B" chips go to Europe and Asia and we get the lesser "A" chips here in the USA? This is the e6600 story all over again...

[Lu(ky]

How is it every time that the better "B" chips go to Europe and Asia and we get the lesser "A" chips here in the USA? This is the e6600 story all over again...

Don't forget about the poison foods fish, bad tooth paste, dog and cat food they like to send us :down:

[Pete@X]

Not bad at all, i would say:

4GHz under Water @ 1,48 :shocked:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7117/dq66750400003wasserko8.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dq66750400003wasserko8.jpg)

[LyP0]

How is it every time that the better "B" chips go to Europe and Asia and we get the lesser "A" chips here in the USA? This is the e6600 story all over again...


Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

[LagunaX]

Not bad at all, i would say:

4GHz under Water @ 1,48 :shocked:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7117/dq66750400003wasserko8.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dq66750400003wasserko8.jpg)

Another European "B" chip probably...:(

[adamsleath]

i havent seen anyone post a "b" chip ; any examples?

[dogsx2]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

How much of that is tax?

[Pete@X]

i havent seen anyone post a "b" chip ; any examples?

E6750 L719B174 @4GHz :shocked: :clap: :up: :

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/762/dq66750400004wassercv1.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dq66750400004wassercv1.jpg)

[Lu(ky]

What should the max temps be? Nothing over 60c on both cores?

[adamsleath]

lol
ny others?
mine does much the same as that....and its an A...but not an e6750.

[Blauhung]

I think I can explain what we are seeing here:


The G0 stepping is a great improvement for Intel. It runs cooler and with less voltage. The side effect that this community is seeing is that poor quality (i'm speaking in terms of manufacturing quality) chips can now operate within the same thermal/energy envelope at speed bins that their earlier brethren were hitting.

You must always keep in mind that Intel is trying to do the exact same thing we are. Squeeze every last bit of clock speed they can out of the chips they make; only Intel has MUCH more stringent terms of what they consider 24/7 stable then this community does. the G0 stepping was huge because it means that the chips that might have been cache fused and marked as low end because they required too much energy or put off too much heat due to some oddities in their manufacturing. can now be used on the much more profitable middle of the road to performance market. I'm going to guess that this is why the price of the new 6*50 chips is much lower then those of similar speed in the 6*00 lineup.

Boils down to mean that the lower end chips are going to have a much higher chance to be just that, lower end. The large amount of scaling is still there at the high end chips cause they didn't get a bump for their speed by much. There still are going to be some chips on the low end that do well, but your chances are probably much smaller.

[scwam]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

Our minimum wage here in the US is $6.25 per hour. With rent costing typically $700 per month it's probably all relative when compared to your wages. Not many people (average people) make more than $11 per hour.

[palese]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

And you should :rofl:

[LogAn'sRun]

man, this is so OT:
the Cost Of Living is all relative. No, people in Germany are not making more money than you. On a whole, EU is in the same boat as the US, perhaps our wages might be a tad higher but that's in reflection to the weak dollar.
Look at the big mac index. Or try the Latte index, you'll see that it's extremely comparable. So, why should we pay more for the same product? It's not like EU cars are any cheaper in the states right? So paying 299euros is like one big sharp stick in the eye. .. .
BTW, tax here is 25&#37;, can't speak for Germany, but I would guess that it's similiar.

[michaLcoughliN]

im making $16.38 as an apprentice. been there for 8 months.. getting another raise upto $18 something / hour. I pull in right now over $2800/month :P

being 22 yrs old its not so bad ;) end of my apparenticeship ill be making $25-30 an hour

[zsamz_]

the thing is in europe the retailers are gouging the buyers not only in cpus but almost everything
all retailers paying the same but some makin more $$$:eek:

[OBR]

Here is my Retail E6850 ...

http://ukazto.com/img/batch.jpg

http://ukazto.com/img/cpu-s2y1.jpg

It seem our theory about Great Ocers E6850 and worst cheapest E6x5x chips should be right ...

My First look at this Retail is impressive ... 3600MHz Orthos stable at 1.44V (in bios AUTO) ... with great temps (in room i have 28 degrees) ...

http://ukazto.com/img/Testing_1.jpg

Now is a two hours stable at 3914MHz@1.55V

[XtremeTiramisu]

excellent work so far QBR, I'd love to see if you can do 3.8ghz+ under 1.5v loaded.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=151936

[pvhk]

very promising!
can't stand to have mine....

[OBR]

Little Progress now .. 3.914MHz Orthos stable at 1.55V in BIOS, 4GHz benchable but not Orthos stable with lower oltage then 1.65V ... :down: (need more testing and tweaking)

[MikalCarbine]

Is 1.55v safe for 24/7 under WC on these chips?

[OBR]

1.55 is pretty good for me, under my watercooling is Orthos temp max 64 in this hot days ... and in normal work about max 50 ... important is not a voltage, but temps - look at Vapochilled cpus ...

[XtremeTiramisu]

3.825ghz needs about 1.55v in BIOS to get Orthos stable so in other words it's roughly about 1.5v under load in windows??

If I get a E6850, my goal for absolute max 24/7 is ~1.5v loaded (Not in BIOS becouse every mobo is different) and at that voltage I'm aiming at least 3.8ghz and higher on air.

Do you think it's possible OBR?

[OBR]

Now i am finding max stable frequency at 1.55V in BIOS (real 1.53-1.54V). I am at 3.914MHz now and seems to be Orthos stable for first hour ... test will run to morning, then i can to say it is stable ...

But 3900MHz at 1.55V in bios is very satisfactory for me ...

When i find max stable at 1.55V, i will decrease voltage for 3800MHz max stability, it will be my 24/7 power. I think this cpu will be fully stable at 1.50V on 3800MHz ...

[JB87]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

You can get a Q6600 for 240 in holland right now, even before the price drops :D

http://www.sww.nl/index.cfm?fuseaction=components.productdetail&prd_id=1373593097&CFID=278910&CFTOKEN=32068547
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/150358/Intel-Core-2-Quad-Q6600-(S775-4x-2.4GHz-8MB-1066MHz-FSB-Boxed).html

[mursaat]

Wow Hardware Discount is €831,81 in that list :O

If you click its €498, not better either

[JB87]

Wow Hardware Discount is €831,81 in that list :O

If you click its €498, not better either

I'm not surprised looking at that shops crappy rating on the left :shakes:
(Having cpu's in stock is a bad thing when none want to buy your stuff).

[Monkeywoman]

there must be a way to get some of those ES chips. i was going to sell my E6600 but i pass

[Lu(ky]

Here is my Retail E6850 ...

http://ukazto.com/img/batch.jpg

http://ukazto.com/img/cpu-s2y1.jpg

It seem our theory about Great Ocers E6850 and worst cheapest E6x5x chips should be right ...

My First look at this Retail is impressive ... 3600MHz Orthos stable at 1.44V (in bios AUTO) ... with great temps (in room i have 28 degrees) ...

http://ukazto.com/img/Testing_1.jpg

Now is a two hours stable at 3914MHz@1.55V


Which MOBO are using on this OC?

[JustChill]

I feel as if we are on the brink. It seems to me that very soon all the new apps will take great advantage of multi core chips.....so why is everyone directing more attention to e6750, e6850 ect rather than the Q chips?

[Brother Esau]

im making $16.38 as an apprentice. been there for 8 months.. getting another raise upto $18 something / hour. I pull in right now over $2800/month :P

being 22 yrs old its not so bad ;) end of my apparenticeship ill be making $25-30 an hour

@ You're age I was making $29.00 hr back in the early 90's seems like the wage is getting less!@

[Lu(ky]

I feel as if we are on the brink. It seems to me that very soon all the new apps will take great advantage of multi core chips.....so why is everyone directing more attention to e6750, e6850 ect rather than the Q chips?

Sorry screen freeze

[Lu(ky]

I feel as if we are on the brink. It seems to me that very soon all the new apps will take great advantage of multi core chips.....so why is everyone directing more attention to e6750, e6850 ect rather than the Q chips?

I think it depends on what each person will be using the e6850 or Q6600 on.
If one only plays DX9 GAMES then the e6850 with the higher OC will be better. If you want to play DX10 games now and use photoshop editing, nero burning ect.. Then the Q6600 chips would be better. I plan on buying the high end $1k Quad core Penryn when it comes out for my 2nd build. I will get my e6850 on Tuesday..

[Brother Esau]

I don't spend much of my PC time gaming maybe these day's about 5% out of the whole so I opted for a Q6600 G0 Stepping chip pre order from Tank Guys seemed like more of the logical choice seeing how even at 3.2ghz will rape the livin be jesus out of the E6850 @ 4ghz 2 cores:clap:

[Lu(ky]

I don't spend much of my PC time gaming maybe these day's about 5% out of the whole so I opted for a Q6600 G0 Stepping chip pre order from Tank Guys seemed like more of the logical choice seeing how even at 3.2ghz will rape the livin be jesus out of the E6850 @ 4ghz 2 cores:clap:

Not in gaming! But in overall apps it will. I placed my order with tankguys too, but canceled my ordered on the Q6600. I feel I use the e6850 and maybe buy the Q6600 else where if I can find it.

[mrcape]

Hey yall thanks for the info on these go chips.

I'm holding out with this e6600 @ 3.6 1.4v 24/7 until some Penryn action comes out. I've been banging on this thing for literally about 14 -16 hours a day since May on the P5k-dlx. Running Photoshop and illustrator while downloading and listening to music and taking and occasional break from design to play oblivion or Quake 4. No problems whatsoever. I'll be happy with this for at least another year.

Edit - I'm also Orthos stable up to 3.8. So that being said I won't go to a GO chip unless people start reporting 4ghz + on air with less than 1.5 v. Otherwise it's just not worth it to spend $230 for such a small difference..

[MacClipper]

Looks like the retail boxed G0 Q6600 are still not out yet, can't seem to find a single post on them on the www so far.

:(

[The Nemesis]

I don't expect very many to show up soon. With the price drop, most will be trying to clear out inventory before ordering more I assume. I have a preorder with tankguys and my local fry's will let me know if they get any. I'm holding out for the Q6600's. I've already got chips that are 3.8Ghz orthos stable so no need for the 6X50's for me.:)

[MacClipper]

Locally, all the E6x50 series range are already being sold except for the Q6600 which makes me wonder if they are ready for retail at all by the 22nd.

Guess not just yet.

[mouawad]

I don't spend much of my PC time gaming maybe these day's about 5% out of the whole so I opted for a Q6600 G0 Stepping chip pre order from Tank Guys seemed like more of the logical choice seeing how even at 3.2ghz will rape the livin be jesus out of the E6850 @ 4ghz 2 cores:clap:

only if the apps you use can take advantage of the 4 cores, otherwise the dual core spanks the lower clocked quad :)

it sounds like you will probably get the benefit out of the quad but i'm guessing quite a few ppl will sell nice dual core chips for an avg quad and lose out in the end.

[Brother Esau]

Working with Dream Weaver and CS3 or illustrator is pretty darn system taxing!

[sdumper]

Very disappointing thread but informative never the less....sounds like ill wait for Penryn before i replace my QX6700 ...

[pvhk]

just got my e6850 719b019!
A guy at HFR managed to hit 4.1Ghz with a similar batch (719b056) on nexxuss WC
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/OverclockingCoolingTuning/CPU/unique-e6550-perfs-sujet_261827_4.htm#t1596193

[irev210]

Im sure better stuff will make its way into the market :)

[kiwi]

I will get 6750 on monday. Will post results :)

[Supertim0r]

"B" chips already :yepp:

[newls1]

Come on tankguys, PLEASE GET YOUR CHIPS SOON (1 can only hope!)

[Lu(ky]

I get my e6850 on Tuesday I hope it will "GO". I will be happy with 4.0GHz stable on water...Comming from a Opty 165 3.0GHz.

[MacClipper]

Very disappointing thread but informative never the less....sounds like ill wait for Penryn before i replace my QX6700 ...

And you may be more ready for those 45nm than you realised, your mobo's official a-OK for Penryn!

http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/

[sdkevin]

I get my e6850 on Tuesday I hope it will "GO". I will be happy with 4.0GHz stable on water...Comming from a Opty 165 3.0GHz.

shouldn't be a problem unless you have very crappy chip, 3.0Ghz stock speed on E6850 so 4.0Ghz on water is easily done!

[pvhk]

the e6850 really rocks!
e6850@3.8Ghz, fsb@423, ram sync, vcore@1.38v on air (cnps8700) with p5k-vm:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9117/3800tq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[dr-ali]

Are Q6600 G0 really Better than Q6600 B3 for overclocing?
how much?

[lopri]

Geez.. Why would anyone buy these new E6X50 chips? My E6600 from week 26th of 2006 does 3.60GHz with 1.31V (BIOS) - 1.27~1.29V (Windows). Yeah maybe X6850 is binned better and could do ~4.0GHz, but at what vCore? Is it worth it? Plus the lower multiplier and looser strap... The only thing going for them looks like lower temps to me.

Anyone who already has an E6x00 and wants to upgrade has only 1 choice - Q6600.

[lopri]

And I really hope this ES frenzy to come to an end. We all know what Intel did with E6600/E6700/X6800 when it was launched last year. As much as it's possible that the new stepping ES represent an improved overclocking, it's just as possible that it's another round of.. well you know what.

Besides, most folks have no access to ES chips and once retail chips become available verdicts will be out soon enough. Or at least wait for more legitimate reviews from reputable sites. (Intel even fooled them last year when it comes to overclocking)

[ziddey]

you have a very special e6600, and you're failing to see that most everyone else doesn't have as good a chip as that. in your case, definitely stick to your e6600.

as for es not being representative of the production models, it's already been well established. that said, from preliminary looks of production samples, e6850's are performing similarly to es models, and the lower models are suffering. personally, i had a e6750 l719a hit 8x400=3.2 with 1.37v actual under load. 8x420 wouldn't even stabilize with 1.5v, so it looks indeed like it hit a sharp wall somehow.

[sam95ta]

the e6850 really rocks!
e6850@3.8Ghz, fsb@423, ram sync, vcore@1.38v on air (cnps8700) with p5k-vm:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9117/3800tq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Great results.Can you please give us FPO/Batch #.

[pvhk]

Grat results.Can you please give us FPO/Batch #.
L719B016:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8063/g7copierlq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Max bench on air vcore @1.60v bios (1.49v under xp):
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9250/4mjo4.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4mjo4.jpg)

[MacClipper]

I am actually quite happy with my rather cool running E6750@3.6@1.45V stock Commando but just can't wait to grab the incoming Q6600 SLACR... if only I can find one.

Totally no reports of any retail G0 Q6600 benched over the www so far. :(

[crossg]

Totally no reports of any retail G0 Q6600 benched over the www so far. :( Yeah I am sure there are a bunch of us waiting to see if the retail chips clock higher and run cooler. Both My E6600 and Q6600 are good Ocer's but to get the temps down on my Quad might be worth the jump to a G0.;)

[Forsaken1]

Just getting started.A chips do not appear to be all that bad.
FOP/BATCH:L718A190
Pack Date 6/27/07
http://img.techpowerup.org/070721/Capture001.jpg

[AndyM]

Are they Orthos stable for several hours at those speeds?

[kiwi]

I just found out that Xeon quads socket 775 3210 (8x) and 3220 (9x) are both cheaper than 6850. So if you prefer quad over dual core get xeon :D

[lee63]

Just getting started.A chips do not appear to be all that bad.
FOP/BATCH:L718A190
Pack Date 6/27/07
I have the same chip, I cant even get it stable @ 3.7 on a evga 680i A1 p30 bios :)

[newls1]

I have the same chip, I cant even get it stable @ 3.7 on a evga 680i A1 p30 bios :)

That might be the OCable difference between nvidia chipsets, and Intel chipsets:shrug:

[Spanki]

Since they changed the max Tcase on these G0 stepping chips, all those Core temps are suspect. If you have CoreTemp 0.95, look under Options->Settings...

http://skinprops.com/images/ct095.jpg

...click that "Show Delta to Tjunction temp" option... the temps reported will be how much headroom room you have left (it counts down as temps go higher) before the cpu throttles itself.

I'm not sure what value is being used for the new E6x50 chips, but earlier desktop quads used a 100C Tjunction, and it looks like they increased that by 11C (http://intel.pcnalert.com/content/eolpcn/PCN107463-00.pdf) for the new G0 stepping Q6600.

Older/current desktop C2Ds used 85C, but I'm guessing they bumped that up as well... maybe by 11C, but maybe less than that for the Duos. It would be nice if Intel actually said what was being used for each cpu/stepping.

[sofarfrome]

I just found out that Xeon quads socket 775 3210 (8x) and 3220 (9x) are both cheaper than 6850. So if you prefer quad over dual core get xeon :D


Please give a link to the site that has Xeon 3220 for less than the E6850.

[Brother Esau]

Yea no kidding:cool:

[turtle]

Please give a link to the site that has Xeon 3220 for less than the E6850.

Wait for it, it just so happened the C2D/Q cuts hit first. Xeons are planned for late July (29th?). It should be there in the next week.

He's right, word has it prices will be cut to $224 (cheapest quad) and $266 (same as Q6600) for the 3210/3220 respectively, and Xeons have a history of selling cheaper than their made-for-desktop counterparts...So they may end up even cheaper.

Overclocking the 3210 FSB to 400-450 would be the ultimate budget power rig. :up:

[kiwi]

Please give a link to the site that has Xeon 3220 for less than the E6850.

I have it from my local supplier but you should see it very soon in a few days/weeks unless US stores rip you off and charge more for those xeons :)

[limb0]

over the last couple of days i've been playing with a e6550 on asus p5k and wondering whether to switch to this new "G0" steping from my trusty nine month old e6600 [9 x 400 on asus p5w]

when i saw the 7 multiplier I immediately thought of the e6300/6350.

it seemed to make sense seeing as the cpu sells for around the same price as them both.

the 6550 initially ran prime for a long time at 3.7ghz but later crashed and eventually i settled at 3.6ghz as the stable best "quickie overclock" result I could get.

i was considering two upgrades, A] the p5k [from p5w] and B] the 6550 from 6600.

naturally i LOVE the p5k but will probably pass on G0 stepping versus my antique e6600 because I still have hopes of hitting 4ghz on this fabulous new motherboard with my old processor, at least until the quads drop in price, whoot!!

[ziddey]

what's the batch code for your e6550

[palese]

Ok I am new to asus OCing so flame away if so desired:ROTF: But how the hell do you see the changes in cpu speed as your adjusting the FSB on the
P5K Deluxe? I asked in this thread as there is a lot of 6850 and P5K combos out there.

[lee63]

That might be the OCable difference between nvidia chipsets, and Intel chipsets:shrug:I think you might be right, but I need an SLi board:(

[Blauhung]

Are Q6600 G0 really Better than Q6600 B3 for overclocing?
how much?

see my earlyer post
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2316978&postcount=85

answer is that they are much better at stock speeds and a few have a chance to clock higher, but most likely you are probably getting a chip of lesser manufacturing quality that functions better at the stock clock speeds due to the fixes that came with the G step.

[Forsaken1]

Are they Orthos stable for several hours at those speeds?

No it is not orthos stable.Only had a hour to play this morning.Will try to get it orthos stable over 4 shortly.It does not look good.Maybe occt.Im on water with 1.58v.
Any volt mods for Gigabyte P35C-DS3R?:shrug:

[lopri]

you have a very special e6600, and you're failing to see that most everyone else doesn't have as good a chip as that. in your case, definitely stick to your e6600.

as for es not being representative of the production models, it's already been well established. that said, from preliminary looks of production samples, e6850's are performing similarly to es models, and the lower models are suffering. personally, i had a e6750 l719a hit 8x400=3.2 with 1.37v actual under load. 8x420 wouldn't even stabilize with 1.5v, so it looks indeed like it hit a sharp wall somehow.

I agree the specific chip that I kept may be an exception vCore-wise, but I think hitting 3.50~3.60GHz with ~1.50V was pretty common with most E6x00 chips? (Before Intel started binning for Q6600s) Now we have these E6850s that hit 3.8~4.0GHz with 1.55V-ish vCore. Can't really see the point of upgrading, especially with their lower multipliers and loosened strap. I mean, outside professional benchers, I don't think the difference between 3.60GHz and 4.00GHz is something to go through the hassle of upgrade for.

Q6600, on the other hand, is a different story. It's unfortunate that there are only handful of apps that can take advantage of quad-cores, but for folks who use them, it's a god-send. Previously these folks had to rely on workstation boards with dual sockets for their productivity.

[Spanki]

... Can't really see the point of upgrading, especially with their lower multipliers and loosened strap.

Lower multipliers? I think you're viewing these new cpus wrong. If you compare price-points, you'll see the following:

E6850 - 9x multiplier, 3.00GHz replaces E6600 - 9x multiplier, 2.4GHz
E6750 - 8x multiplier, 2.66GHz replaces E64x0 - 8x multiplier, 2.13GHz
E6550 - 7x multiplier, 2.33GHz replaces E63x0 - 7x multiplier, 1.86GHz

...they're not lower multipliers, they're 'higher cpu speed' due to the higher FSB.

[rob[GL]]

Just got finished testing mine...

Right now, 12 hours orthos stable with 1.5v, E6750... 450FSB x8 multi... 3600MHz

50c max temp under load


I'm very happy with my purchase.

[ziddey]

the "loosened strap" doesn't matter so much once you overclock. For instance, on the p35, 1:1 belongs to 333strap anyway, so even if you used a 266bsel cpu..

[JargonGR]

I agree the specific chip that I kept may be an exception vCore-wise, but I think hitting 3.50~3.60GHz with ~1.50V was pretty common with most E6x00 chips? (Before Intel started binning for Q6600s) Now we have these E6850s that hit 3.8~4.0GHz with 1.55V-ish vCore. Can't really see the point of upgrading, especially with their lower multipliers and loosened strap. I mean, outside professional benchers, I don't think the difference between 3.60GHz and 4.00GHz is something to go through the hassle of upgrade for.

Q6600, on the other hand, is a different story. It's unfortunate that there are only handful of apps that can take advantage of quad-cores, but for folks who use them, it's a god-send. Previously these folks had to rely on workstation boards with dual sockets for their productivity.

This my dilema right now. I have an E6600 @ 8x450 FSB for 3.6Ghz right now on an ABit IN9 32MAX. This board is not that good for Quad high fsb overclocking and I am not getting another board now before X38 is out so no Quad for me right now (this is a gaming machine mostly). So I was thinking of the E6850 as an upgrade and possibly using my old E6600 to my home theater PC. But unless I get to at least 4Ghz I see no point. But do your really think that 400Mhz is pointless? That is IF I can hit this speed (on water ofc).



the "loosened strap" doesn't matter so much once you overclock. For instance, on the p35, 1:1 belongs to 333strap anyway, so even if you used a 266bsel cpu..

Are there any benches comparing those straps? Although there should not be a big difference if any.

[Tony]

Guys, you want a good chance of a good clocker buy the 6850, Intel quite rightly are binning the CPU's now quite tightly, they are after all here to make money ;)

With the price drops the 6850 is an awesome buy, the 9 multi is perfect for 680i running 1800+fsb with ram linked and Sync DDR800 1T with tight timings with water or air cooling.

If the CPU cost like $500+ i would say go with a lower model but 299 or so is cheap enough to not even consider one the lower end CPU's and the chance it could be a poor clocker.

The odd awesome 6550 etc will drop thru the loop but overall the highest clockers will be the 6850's

[Tony]

This my dilema right now. I have an E6600 @ 8x450 FSB for 3.6Ghz right now on an ABit IN9 32MAX. This board is not that good for Quad high fsb overclocking and I am not getting another board now before X38 is out so no Quad for me right now (this is a gaming machine mostly). So I was thinking of the E6850 as an upgrade and possibly using my old E6600 to my home theater PC. But unless I get to at least 4Ghz I see no point. But do your really think that 400Mhz is pointless? That is IF I can hit this speed (on water ofc).




Are there any benches comparing those straps? Although there should not be a big difference if any. most of the newer boards have chipset strap settings now, if you need to you can force 1066 on the chipset but overall FSB will drop.

Again this points to buying the CPu with the highest multi will always gain you the highest speeds.

[OBR]

Tony - yes it is right, i ve tested many G0 chips, but ALL of E6850 are good Ocers to 3900+ MHz...

With E6750, E6650 you have only little chance for great OC ...

[Neon Biker]

Too bad the E6850 is priced the same as the Q6600.

[I)ickie]

Too bad the E6850 is priced the same as the Q6600.

If what tony is saying is true perhaps the retail q6600's certainly won't overclock like their ES brothers.
They will prob reserve higher clockers for Q6850.
Without overclocking thier chips how do they bin.
Perhaps this is a poor example but I have never seen or heard of a e6600 that can't run at e6700 speeds @ stock volts.

[irenic]

i think the real advantage of q6600 G0 is it runs cooler than the b3.. other than that might be the same.. so to those who already owns a very good wc system or other extreme cooler, dont really need to wait for G0..

[Solarfall]

Perhaps this is a poor example but I have never seen or heard of a e6600 that can't run at e6700 speeds @ stock volts.

not uncommon.. mine can do over 3ghz with stock volts..

[OBR]

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:

[SoulsCollective]

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:
For the future. Your argument is only valid if you aren't going to be buying new software or games from now on.

[Lu(ky]

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:

OBR Your OC is with the Striker or eVGA board???????

[JohnMike]

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:

How many fps do you gain going from 3.6Ghz to a 4Ghz CPU?!... 3, 5, 7 fps?!... :down:

[Servo128]

I really can't make my mind up, which one to buy.

I do like alittle overclocking, I do encode video, and I do play games.

I don't like the heat issue with quads.

I'm sitting here with two shopping baskets, one with the q6600 (Not G0) and the other with a 6850, and I can't bring myself to press the checkout button!!

I'm in urgent need of medical advice, it's driving me nutz!!!

[SoulsCollective]

Definitely go for the quad. It's far more future-proof than the dual-core - all new release apps and games will be multi-threaded, and four cores at 2.4GHz are better than two at 3.0GHz.

[ziddey]

it's too bad they don't sell 2mb versions of the conroe chips anymore. if they had a g0 that'd goto 4ghz and only had 2mb, but sold for say $160, i'd totally get it.

[Countryman]

Definitely go for the quad. It's far more future-proof than the dual-core

Its certainly not 'future proof' with the cheaper and cooler Penryn Quad only 6-8 months away. :shakes:

[SoulsCollective]

Its certainly not 'future proof' with the cheaper and cooler Penryn Quad only 6-8 months away. :shakes:
You entirely missed the point of my statement. My point was merely that with software development on the verge of a multi-threaded renaissance, a quad-core will age better than a dual. Whether it represents an astute purchase given expected future hardware releases is an entirely different matter again.

[RPGWiZaRD]

I think I'll pick a E6750 as it's so cheap 172€ and hold onto it till Yorkfield arrives and gets more afforable. It seems ppl have had greater luck in europe so far with these ones, just saw a pretty nice result on aircooling. http://forum.geizhals.at/files/53810/6750&#37;20oc.png

As long as I can get 3.6GHz+ (with 1.5v or lower) I'm satisfied.

[Pete@X]

Tempting: E6750 @ 4GHz @ 1,425V @ h2o :shocked:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/353/peg40001425finalws0.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peg40001425finalws0.jpg)

:up:

[ziddey]

Tempting: E6750 @ 4GHz @ 1,425V @ h2o :shocked:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/353/peg40001425finalws0.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peg40001425finalws0.jpg)

:up:

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

[Pete@X]

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

I had 5 of these Babes from that FPO/Batch (L719B174), they clock more or less all the same. 4GHz are possible between ~1,425V and ~1,450V :shocked:

[Viss]

I had 5 of these Babes from that FPO/Batch (L719B174), they clock more or less all the same. 4GHz are possible between ~1,425V and ~1,450V :shocked:

Max FSB of those thats what id like to know.

[Pete@X]

Max FSB of those thats what id like to know.

Around 545-550 booted ok and was good enought for some Spi1M ... have not clockgen`d further so far ...

[ziddey]

sure beats the hell out of 719a's

[Viss]

Around 545-550 booted ok and was good enought for some Spi1M ... have not clockgen`d further so far ...

If thats on air/water its more then enough! Thanks.

[Pete@X]

If thats on air/water its more then enough! Thanks.

All happend on water ... :yepp: that reminds me -> I have to update my Sig :up:

[hlonipha]

That might be the OCable difference between nvidia chipsets, and Intel chipsets:shrug:

Wrong!!!!!!!, mine on a DFI 680i and after a few hours of non experience tweaking intel platforms, is at 3750mhz @1.39v on air 5 hours ORTHOS stable and counting as I left it running this morning, Memory is running at DDR556. We'll see when I get home from work.

[SLINROB]

How many fps do you gain going from 3.6Ghz to a 4Ghz CPU?!... 3, 5, 7 fps?!... :down:


Not even that much in graphics heavy games such as Oblivion.

[SLINROB]

Its certainly not 'future proof' with the cheaper and cooler Penryn Quad only 6-8 months away. :shakes:

Yes it most certainly is:shakes: Their will always be something better around the corner so if you want to wait for all eternity be my guest.

Either way you look at it even though the penryn's will be better its not like the q6600 is a slacker and the most important benefit it offers are 4 cores (just like the penryn's) which future apps and games will be making use of very shortly.

[SLINROB]

Anyone know how much the Penryn Quad's are going to cost?

[SoulsCollective]

Yes it most certainly is:shakes: Their will always be something better around the corner so if you want to wait for all eternity be my guest.

Either way you look at it even though the penryn's will be better its not like the q6600 is a slacker and the most important benefit it offers are 4 cores (just like the penryn's) which future apps and games will be making use of very shortly.
Well said.

[Tony]

regarding 680i Vs Intel chipset i hit just over 4.1 on the p35 boards and exactly the same on the DFI 680LT, the issue came when I tried to clock it with Striker Extreme...3.9GHZ was all I could get.

So its not so much chipset but board related, and how well they are made to clock high.

[OBR]

Lu(ky - eVGA is better than Striker ...

[SLINROB]

Guys how much do you think the 45nm quads will be when they first launch? I want a quad core cpu but I do not want to pay a fortune for one but on the same token I dont want to be missing out if I go with the Q6600.

I have a Tuniq Tower and a case with great airflow so as long as I can do at least 3.2ghz I will be happy. I have my $5 down at tankguys so I know eventually I will be able to go with the G0 stepping if thats what I decide to do.


This rig is solely for gaming and when games like crysis hit I am sure a quad core will be nice.

[Movieman]

Guys how much do you think the 45nm quads will be when they first launch? I want a quad core cpu but I do not want to pay a fortune for one but on the same token I dont want to be missing out if I go with the Q6600.

I have a Tuniq Tower and a case with great airflow so as long as I can do at least 3.2ghz I will be happy. I have my $5 down at tankguys so I know eventually I will be able to go with the G0 stepping.

I think you made the right choice. A Q6600 for app $300.00 shipped and a guaranteed G0 Step from Tank guys is the best deal going right now.
The 45nm stuff might do 10% clock for clock more but cost twice as much or close to that..
If I was in the market for a quad I'd do just what you did. It's the smart play.

[SLINROB]

I think you made the right choice. A Q6600 for app $300.00 shipped and a guaranteed G0 Step from Tank guys is the best deal going right now.
The 45nm stuff might do 10% clock for clock more but cost twice as much or close to that..
If I was in the market for a quad I'd do just what you did. It's the smart play.

So you think a 45nm quad will be much higher than $300 for a good while?

[Blauhung]

most likely the 45nm stuff will do the normal $1000 tray price for XE and work its way down much the same way conroe did when it hit. I would guess expect to pay $3-500 for a mainstream quad depending on what you go with

[SLINROB]

I would guess expect to pay $3-500 for a mainstream quad depending on what you go with


Yeah thats whats killing me, deciding to go q6600 right now or wait to see if I can get a mainstream 45nm quad for around $300.00


Will there even be any 45nm mainstream quads at first or just the expensive ones?

[Movieman]

So you think a 45nm quad will be much higher than $300 for a good while?

It's going to be Intels flagship and they will want a premium I'm sure.
If this was a change like from netburst to C2D then I'd say spend the extra but just a change from 65nm to 45nm with some small changes that could be offset by bumping up another couple hundred mhz I can't see spending $200-300 more..
I know, there is the "bragging rights" part of having a penryn but outside of the forum that and $2.00 will buy you coffee..
It's an individual decision but I like the G0 for $300.00. I think thats a steal for what your getting in computational power.
Run that up to just 3200 and you got one hell of a machine that can be cooled effectively on air..

[SLINROB]

It's going to be Intels flagship and they will want a premium I'm sure.
If this was a change like from netburst to C2D then I'd say spend the extra but just a change from 65nm to 45nm with some small changes that could be offset by bumping up another couple hundred mhz I can't see spending $200-300 more..
I know, there is the "bragging rights" part of having a penryn but outside of the forum that and $2.00 will buy you coffee..
It's an individual decision but I like the G0 for $300.00. I think thats a steal for what your getting in computational power.
Run that up to just 3200 and you got one hell of a machine that can be cooled effectively on air..

Sounds good and thanks for the advice:) I guess if it comes down to having to spend $500+ just on the mainstream 45nm quads then its a no brainer for me to save a couple hundred dollars and go with the G0 65nm Q6600.


Now come on Tankguys! hurry up and get those new steppings! LOL.

[Spanki]

It's going to be Intels flagship and they will want a premium I'm sure.
If this was a change like from netburst to C2D then I'd say spend the extra but just a change from 65nm to 45nm with some small changes that could be offset by bumping up another couple hundred mhz I can't see spending $200-300 more..
I know, there is the "bragging rights" part of having a penryn but outside of the forum that and $2.00 will buy you coffee..
It's an individual decision but I like the G0 for $300.00. I think thats a steal for what your getting in computational power.
Run that up to just 3200 and you got one hell of a machine that can be cooled effectively on air..

I'm not sure I disagree with your point of view or think you're wrong, but I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of the differences... Until the silicon hits the store shelves, noone will know, but dropping from 65nm to 45nm might well mean lower power consumption and/or lower voltage requirements, which could equate to better/cooler overclocks (they've already managed that with just a new stepping - the die-shrink may help even more).

I'd also not be so sure that they're going to charge a premium... they're not doing that for their current (and brand-spankin-new) FSB1333 'flagship' products.

Having said the above, it's really just a matter of time. If you're not in any hurry and can afford to wait til Oct./Nov., you'll have more info available and the current Q6600 may even be cheaper then (or at least bottomed out in price and older steppings syphoned out of the market). On the other hand, it's currently a bargain at the ~$300 price-point, so if your apps and usage patterns could benefit from a quad today (ie. encoding, 3d Apps, 1 or two games, or heavy multi-tasking, benchmarking/bragging-rights), then there's not much reason to wait.

The 'waiting' risk is.. you wait til Oct./Nov. at which point, you have enough info to make you want to 'wait til Feb 08', at which point you hear about something that makes you want to 'wait til April/May', etc. :). At some point, you just have to pull that trigger.

[Movieman]

I'm not sure I disagree with your point of view or think you're wrong, but I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of the differences... Until the silicon hits the store shelves, noone will know, but dropping from 65nm to 45nm might well mean lower power consumption and/or lower voltage requirements, which could equate to better/cooler overclocks (they've already managed that with just a new stepping - the die-shrink may help even more).

I'd also not be so sure that they're going to charge a premium... they're not doing that for their current (and brand-spankin-new) FSB1333 'flagship' products.

Having said the above, it's really just a matter of time. If you're not in any hurry and can afford to wait til Oct./Nov., you'll have more info available and the current Q6600 may even be cheaper then (or at least bottomed out in price and older steppings syphoned out of the market). On the other hand, it's currently a bargain at the ~$300 price-point, so if your apps and usage patterns could benefit from a quad today (ie. encoding, 3d Apps, 1 or two games, or heavy multi-tasking, benchmarking/bragging-rights), then there's not much reason to wait.

The 'waiting' risk is.. you wait til Oct./Nov. at which point, you have enough info to make you want to 'wait til Feb 08', at which point you hear about something that makes you want to 'wait til April/May', etc. :). At some point, you just have to pull that trigger.

I can't argue with any of your logic. You may well be right, I might be and it well could be a combo of both.
I agree, we'll see..but I still think the G0 Q6600 for $300.00 is a steal.:D

[ziddey]

I decided to give my l719a e6750 another go in my dfi p965-s. I tried for 6x425=2550 this time.

Set mode3/mode2 normal/normal 5-5-5-15-5-35 13-11-3-5
400bootup fsb
103pcie
1:1

1.5vcore, 1.325vtt, 1.35vnb, 2.125vdimm, 1.6vsb, 1.10vich

posting is sporadic, and windows locks up hard as soon as I start priming.

so i ram vtt to 1.5 and pump 1.7v to sb. now it's priming successfully.

Going to see if I can bring multi up to 7x and then 8x at these settings. Maybe the p965 dfi is limiting me and not the cpu itself (remaining optimistic :))

[SLINROB]

I can't argue with any of your logic. You may well be right, I might be and it well could be a combo of both.
I agree, we'll see..but I still think the G0 Q6600 for $300.00 is a steal.:D

There is no doubt that the G0 quad at $300 is a still. Thank you guys for being so kind as to give me your 2 cents about the whole deal because this has been driving me nuts:ROTF:


After some thought I think I will just hold out as long as I can and first see how games such as crysis benefit from a quad core. By the time crysis comes out the 45nm's will be that much closer to release and the Q6600's should be that much cheaper.

Then again if the G0's turn out to be awesome overclockers and run fairly cool then it will be hard to say no when tankguys sends me a notification. LOL.


Either way I win:yepp:

[ziddey]

Interesting. Used rmclock to switch multi up to 7x and then 8x and smallfft is still chugging along. I tried 1.5vtt by itself before but it didn't help. Guess the board needs 1.7vsb for some reason. Wonder how bad that is on longevity...

edit: dropped vtt down to 1.325v and it's still stable at 8x425=3400. tried clockgenning to 430 and got a hard lockup. maybe i'll get a new p35 board before giving up on this e6750.

I noticed thermal spec for these g0's is 72'c, and for b2's was 61.4'c. compensating by the 10.6'c makes coretemp reading identical to the reading from the motherboard's cpu readout.

That said, it looks like I'm loading around 50'c with poorly spread thermal compound (I was only quick testing so I didn't apply any compound, so whatever compound was what was stuck on the waterblock).

edit2: hmm. put all voltages to stock except vcore at 1.42v. wouldn't finish post. bumped vsb to 1.6v. vista crashes before the progress bar comes up. bump to 1.7v and vista almost gets to the gui but bsod's.

[gundersausage]

Only absolute top of the range insanely priced Penryns will be available on launch according to the Inq.. who knows when the affordable ones will kick in.. could be closer to mid year than start of the year before you can get one.. and thats without any delays.. Q6600 is here right now for chump change

[Spanki]

Only absolute top of the range insanely priced Penryns will be available on launch according to the Inq.. who knows when the affordable ones will kick in.. could be closer to mid year than start of the year before you can get one.. and thats without any delays.. Q6600 is here right now for chump change

True... my guess is March/April at the earliest for the affordable (sub-$500) 45nm quads - which is 8-9 months out from now. Even if they manage a Jan/Feb release, that's 6-7 months away.

Another consideration (one way or the other) is that those new 45nm parts will be the last of the socket 775 lineup. Sometime late '08 ('09?) Intel will introduce a new socket with an even newer cpu design.

So... you could upgrade to a Q6600 (or one of the E6x50 chips) now, and then 8mos. or a year from now grab one of the 45nm parts to ride out the rest of the S775 life-cycle (if it makes sense at the time - heck, maybe AMD will have pulled it's head out of it's ass (or it's ass out of the fire) by then).

[Blauhung]

I'd also not be so sure that they're going to charge a premium... they're not doing that for their current (and brand-spankin-new) FSB1333 'flagship' products.

Still going off a theory i have, but I really think that the G0 chips bin out much better from Intel's standpoint. So its much much cheaper to make them as you get many more mainstream binned die per wafer. I would venture a guess that the price points of the new 6*50 chips (even with the nice price cut when compared to the 6*00 stuff) have a very nice buffer against the cost of manufacture.

Can't really compare that to Penryn and it's still young process.

Edit:

True... my guess is March/April at the earliest for the affordable (sub-$500) 45nm quads - which is 8-9 months out from now. Even if they manage a Jan/Feb release, that's 6-7 months away.

Another consideration (one way or the other) is that those new 45nm parts will be the last of the socket 775 lineup. Sometime late '08 ('09?) Intel will introduce a new socket with an even newer cpu design.

So... you could upgrade to a Q6600 (or one of the E6x50 chips) now, and then 8mos. or a year from now grab one of the 45nm parts (if it makes sense at the time - heck, maybe AMD will have pulled it's head out of it's ass (or it's ass out of the fire) by then) to ride out the rest of the S775 life-cycle.

and I'm very not sure on this one, but i believe that mainstream Nahalem stuff that's still on a FSB could go without a socket change, but I only work in manufacturing so I don't hear about this stuff.

[Spanki]

...and I'm very not sure on this one, but i believe that mainstream Nahalem stuff that's still on a FSB could go without a socket change, but I only work in manufacturing so I don't hear about this stuff.

I'd have to go look around for references, but I'm fairly sure that I read that they are planning a socket change. But you mention them still having a FSB, so maybe I'm mis-remembering.

[turtle]

I'd have to go look around for references, but I'm fairly sure that I read that they are planning a socket change. But you mention them still having a FSB, so maybe I'm mis-remembering.

You are both correct. One will have IMC, one will not. They will use different sockets, neither will be 775.

Socket B = LGA1366 = Nehalem w/ IMC. Assumingly will use CSI..er...Intel QuickPath Interconnect.
Socket H = LGA715 = Nehalem w/o IMC = replacement for Socket T (775) = Probably uses FSB.

[[XC] serlv]

the thing is in europe the retailers are gouging the buyers not only in cpus but almost everything
all retailers paying the same but some makin more $$$:eek:European computer parts buyers should form a co-op, and spread the savings out. Screw the resellers.

[Grinch]

should have my 6850 wednesday...

[Dahofrin]

I've got a e6550 that's running 100% stable at 3640 at 1.4 volts. I'm happy with it. I have full confidence in the G0 chips.


I Have that exact same chip ( E6550) running on a p5n32-E SLi with 2gb cp-8000 gskil ddr2 .. can you tell me your exact settings please ... cpu core voltage , pci-e voltage etc

[MKM]

What would be the best OC CPU to get for my new system with an Asus Blitz Formula P35 mainboard, an E6600 or E6850? They cost pretty much the same here in Sweden and as someone said we got the "B" ones in Europe maybe I should go for an E6850 and in case I get an "A" I could just send it back and order an E6600?

[RPGWiZaRD]

For same price just get the E6850. Even "A" has reached quite good results, it's just E6750 and E6550 ones with "A" batch that seems to be poor OCers.

[kimandsally]

serlv;2326061']European computer parts buyers should form a co-op, and spread the savings out. Screw the resellers.

Agree there mate:)

Ooverclockers have been charging 25% higher than the retail price for the 6850 CPU's and still get away with it, you should look at their forums, if you say what I've just said and your banned, mention that a competitor sells cheaper and guess what banned, they're Nazzies I'm sure, but instead of us all getting together like you suggest the majority stick up for them so they keep screwing us, I'm just one of thousands but I make my stand and buy elsewhere.:D

[Shakir_Akbari]

it's too bad they don't sell 2mb versions of the conroe chips anymore. if they had a g0 that'd goto 4ghz and only had 2mb, but sold for say $160, i'd totally get it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115031&Tpk=E4500


a $155 from newegg

11x 200mhz = 2.2ghz

rated up to 73.3*c

you are guaranteed to get the m0 stepping (allendale equivalent of the g0) because a b3 stepping version doesn't exist. personally i'm between this chip or the x3210 (+$100) for my build

edit: b3 stepping should read b2

also intel spec sheet:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2558&sSpec=&OrdCode=

[ziddey]

problem is m0's don't overclock all too well :(

[sick_g4m3r]

problem is m0's don't overclock all too well :(

proof?

[ziddey]

http://www.coolaler.com/modules/news/print.php?storyid=1016
general consensus is that m0's respond to voltage, but to get to where we want to see our chips, requires too much.

[lazy]

so is the B series batch suppose to be a better batch compared to the A?

just havent been seeing that many users with the B cept maybe like one other

[JargonGR]

Agree there mate:)

Ooverclockers have been charging 25% higher than the retail price for the 6850 CPU's and still get away with it, you should look at their forums, if you say what I've just said and your banned, mention that a competitor sells cheaper and guess what banned, they're Nazzies I'm sure, but instead of us all getting together like you suggest the majority stick up for them so they keep screwing us, I'm just one of thousands but I make my stand and buy elsewhere.:D

They lost my bussines long ago when they also refused to even get me a quote for anything exceeding their weight limit for shipping to Greece which is ofc too low. You can't even order a motherboard or an 8800GTX.

The second reason was that they are so freaking expensive and they have bad manners.

[adamsleath]

mm

i have something to say about my 6850.:
the temperature of this G0 rise DRAMATICALLY under load - ie dual orthos for example.

idle is 32C ~ Orthos @ 1.39v is 75C - which is more than double the idle temp.

ambient 20C; temperature measurements checked with ctemp95/94, TAT, Asus probe, speedfan 4.32. ~ all show the SAME reading.

In contrast: my old e6700 B1 40C idle 65C @ 1.46v @ 25C

So; unless my readings are wrong, it is a myth that the G0 chips run cool.

I have experienced orthos failure multiple times due to the tjunction temp of 85C being exceeded.

ONE mystery tho' is the fact that i can detect virtually no heat getting to the TUNIQ base. :confused: - almost as tho the G0 is not transferring much of its supposed core heat to the cpu sink...

i have the tuniq very tightly fastened and have remounted it to be sure....so; it isnt a bad mounting.

There is no doubt these chips clock well...but heat is still very much the same problem as with the previous steppings as for oc. imo
i'm not the only one who has noticed that initially the G0 gives very low temp readings ...but then changes.
Raising vcore seems to have a more DRAMATIC effect on coretemps than with my old B1 @ idle and especially under LOAD.

admittedly i can get higher clocks with this chip, but its luck of the draw as always.

[SoulsCollective]

ONE mystery tho' is the fact that i can detect virtually no heat getting to the TUNIQ base. :confused: - almost as tho the G0 is not transferring much of its supposed core heat to the cpu sink...

i have the tuniq very tightly fastened and have remounted it to be sure....so; it isnt a bad mounting.
Sounds like that could be the cause of your problems - just because it's screwed down tight doesn't mean that you must have a good mount. With temps like that, I'd take it off and check. Your CPU IHS might also be concave, did you check that before installing?

[Sniper.nkc]

To check for concave, take a credit card or similar and put the edge on top of CPU. Then get a thin blade and see if it goes under. If it does, then it is concave. If you don't have a blade, make your room dark and you a small flashlight to see if light goes through the other side.

Also, if you are touching the top of heatsink, it will probably be cooler than the base.