Old timer needs help building system. Budget 1k

[sin0822]

So i used to be a regular OCer here about a year and a half ago. After that i kinda lost touch with all computer things, now i am building a new system with vista and i need the help of anyone who can help me.

So far i have:
OCZ 520watt power stream
Lian-Li case
1 74 gig raptor
1 150 gig raptor
audigy zs 2 platinum

Above are listed products i hope i can use in the new system, please tell me if any of them might not work? like the powerstream, has system power consumption risen that much?

I was thinking this 4gig ram set from mushkin: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820146692

This Asus motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131028

this processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115002

I am unsure of video card and OS.

Please give me any advice, i understand computer hardware fairly well so dont treat me like a noob, im not OCing this system atm, but maybe later.

[Cherouke]

Take P5K deluxe instead of p5b deluxe. P5K is with P35 chipset instead of older P965

Take E6850 (will be released on 22july) instead of E6700. Will be cheaper and runs @ 3Ghz instead of 2.67Ghz. Fsb of 1333 mhz instead of 1066Mhz.

[Endre]

You should get a board with the new P35 chipset, like the P5K Deluxe, Gigagyte's P35-PQ6 or the Abit IP35 Pro.

Also, if you wait a week, Intel is having i big prize cut, and introduce som new models. I'm gonna get the E6750, which is 2,66 GHz with a 1333 FSB. You're guaranteed a new stepping that OCs well, and it will be cheaper than the E6600 is now. You also have the E6850 @ 3G, don't know what it will cost, but I think it will fit in your budget.

Edit: A little slow there. :)

[Paladin]

I'd think that p/s would be enough. Thankfully, the Preshott days are behind us.

That m/b is getting long in the tooth. Consider the P5K version instead.

Intel price drops are on July 22. The one I have my eye on is the quad-core G0-stepping Q6600 which will drop to $266.

A nvidia 8800 gts is a nice balance of price/performance, though overkill if you don't do any gaming.

OS -- do you want to be an early adopter of a new OS (Vista) or at least wait for that inevitable first service pack (bug fix) meanwhile sticking with a nice stable/mature one (XP)?

[orion23]

Do you do any gaming?

If so, consider an 8800GTS 640MB or even the 320MB version.

Vista is very solid. Don't waste your money on an old OS when Vista is already out. Get vista Home Premium Retail Upgrade.

Why do you need 4GB of RAM? (Are you sure about this?)

2 X 1GB should be more than enough!

P35 motherboard like everybody else said. Abit P35 Pro, Asus P5K Deluxe...

And wait until the 22nd, new processors, cheap prices. There will even be a $266 QUAD Core processor which is just amazing!

[GripS]

Vista absolutely blows. I second the vote on sticking with XP for now. If you really wanna run vista then run it dual boot with XP.

Also there is no "guarantee" that you will get a good stepping. If you want the best shot at actually getting a good stepping buy from tankguys or some other reseller that will post batch and stepping codes.

[Brother Esau]

Each to their own but stick with Windows XP you will be grateful you did because Vista has allot of issues and really should not be considered until Service Pack 1 and its also RAM hungry! For a processor I would say if you can wait for the price cits from Intel the E6750 is you're best bet if you cannot wait the E6420 will do 3.2GHZ and upwards with ease, Mine can do 3.5ghz but I prefer my ram linked and synced so I keep it at 3150MHZ @450 FSB Ram @DDR2 900 Linked and Synced with tight timings and its still a little Beasty

[dogsx2]

You chose the best time to return to oc'ing I can ever remember. Cpu's have so much more kick at less then half price of 18 months ago. Memory is also less then half price from 18 months ago. Video cards scream for a lot less money. Air cooling will give you great results.

Welcome back to XS, it's a great time to be a clocker.:D

[Endre]

Also there is no "guarantee" that you will get a good stepping. If you want the best shot at actually getting a good stepping buy from tankguys or some other reseller that will post batch and stepping codes.
Well, "they" say that all 6x50s are G0, which is a good stepping, from what I hear and see. Of course, that doesn't guarantee that it's a good overclocker.

[WFO]

I would also recommend the P5K Deluxe. I'd also wait till the 22nd for the processor purchase and go with a quad. :p: Rather than XP as others have recommended...I'd go x64. (at least it will recognize 4GB plus ram) I'm currently using Vista 64 on my main rig. :down: And I'd say it's worthless without 8GB of ram. ( I have 4GB) When copying large files (3.5GB plus) it caches everything. I actually run out of memory and I have to reboot to reclaim it. I thought that's why I have a 6GB page file. :shrug: During a virus scan with Kaspersky today... 3.5 GB of my memory was utilized and my system became useless as if there was 100% cpu usage. (cpu usage was less than 15%) After the scan, I had to reboot to reclaim used memory. Vista = not ready for prime time. ;)

[orion23]

Each to their own but stick with Windows XP you will be grateful you did because Vista has allot of issues and really should not be considered until Service Pack 1 and its also RAM hungry! For a processor I would say if you can wait for the price cits from Intel the E6750 is you're best bet if you cannot wait the E6420 will do 3.2GHZ and upwards with ease, Mine can do 3.5ghz but I prefer my ram linked and synced so I keep it at 3150MHZ @450 FSB Ram @DDR2 900 Linked and Synced with tight timings and its still a little Beasty

Vista absolutely blows. I second the vote on sticking with XP for now. If you really wanna run vista then run it dual boot with XP.

Also there is no "guarantee" that you will get a good stepping. If you want the best shot at actually getting a good stepping buy from tankguys or some other reseller that will post batch and stepping codes.

I would also recommend the P5K Deluxe. I'd also wait till the 22nd for the processor purchase and go with a quad. :p: Rather than XP as others have recommended...I'd go x64. (at least it will recognize 4GB plus ram) I'm currently using Vista 64 on my main rig. :down: And I'd say it's worthless without 8GB of ram. ( I have 4GB) When copying large files (3.5GB plus) it caches everything. I actually run out of memory and I have to reboot to reclaim it. I thought that's why I have a 6GB page file. :shrug: During a virus scan with Kaspersky today... 3.5 GB of my memory was utilized and my system became useless as if there was 100% cpu usage. (cpu usage was less than 15%) After the scan, I had to reboot to reclaim used memory. Vista = not ready for prime time. ;)



Have any of you used Vista?

What's so bad about it? What RAM use?

I have a P5K deluxe overclocked to 3.8ghz 24/7, installed vista while overclocked the day it came out (Jan 30) and it's been running fine ever since.
Upgraded 3 different motherboards without formatting. Every program I use has been compatible. And my RAM does not exceed 1.2GB or so.

I have copied about 400GB worth of music / movies to 2 external 500GB HD's without problems.

And I use Norton Internet Security 2007 which the whole worlds claims is the biggest resource hug ever.

Never had a BSOD, or other type of failure.

This guy will be running 4GB of RAM and doesn't care for SLI?

So what are you guys talking about?

Some of you really need to learn how to configure a PC, or learn to buy "DELL" / "HP"

Please...

[Speederlander]

I'm currently using Vista 64 on my main rig. :down: And I'd say it's worthless without 8GB of ram.

What a joke. Worthless without 8 gig of RAM? Are you high? I notice you are a 1 post FUD sower.

I have run Vista Ult 64 bit with 2 gig, 4 gig and 8 gig of RAM. They all work perfectly fine and MORE stable than XP. The majority of people complaining about Vista are either:

1. Simply recounting what they have heard other people say because they don't have it, or
2. They hate MS and want to spread the FUD whatever chance they can get, or
3. They tried the beta version and have bad memories of unfinished stuff.

A few people who run Vista might think it's crap, but from watching the comments of people who DO have it, they seem largely happy with it. The people who run it and don't like it are in the minority.

[rob[GL]]

Everyone hated the move from 98 ---> XP too, people forget that only 5 years ago people were making the same arguments, you might as well jump on Vista now and get used to it... Because like it or not, 5 years from now, 99% of people will be loving Vista and swearing not to switch to whatever the new OS of that time period is.


I've run vista on all sorts of systems... from 1.4ghz semprons all the way up to 4G quads... It runs fine, if you're not a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing idiot.

[Brother Esau]

Have any of you used Vista?

What's so bad about it? What RAM use?

I have a P5K deluxe overclocked to 3.8ghz 24/7, installed vista while overclocked the day it came out (Jan 30) and it's been running fine ever since.
Upgraded 3 different motherboards without formatting. Every program I use has been compatible. And my RAM does not exceed 1.2GB or so.

I have copied about 400GB worth of music / movies to 2 external 500GB HD's without problems.

And I use Norton Internet Security 2007 which the whole worlds claims is the biggest resource hug ever.

Never had a BSOD, or other type of failure.

This guy will be running 4GB of RAM and doesn't care for SLI?

So what are you guys talking about?

Some of you really need to learn how to configure a PC, or learn to buy "DELL" / "HP"

Please...



Allright a pissed of waiter from New Jersey...LOL
Speak for yourself skippy but I'll let it slide because I was born and raised in... N.J ...:D
But seiously you should wait for service pack1 thats the smart move but as I said each to their own!

[GripS]

LOL yes i've used Vista. I ran RC-1 and RC-2 for quite some time. I ran it on my older rig(see the *family* computer listed in sig). Yes.... my system was up to the task and it still sucked! Very much a resource hog.

I am well aware that the switch to Vista is inevitable. But Windows XP is still a faster and more viable OS as it stands right now.

"Some of you really need to learn how to configure a PC, or learn to buy "DELL" / "HP"" :ROTF:

This coming from someone using Norton Internet Security. :rofl:

[Brother Esau]

LOL yes i've used Vista. I ran RC-1 and RC-2 for quite some time. I ran it on my older rig(see the *family* computer listed in sig). Yes.... my system was up to the task and it still sucked! Very much a resource hog.

I am well aware that the switch to Vista is inevitable. But Windows XP is still a faster and more viable OS as it stands right now.

"Some of you really need to learn how to configure a PC, or learn to buy "DELL" / "HP"" :ROTF:

This coming from someone using Norton Internet Security. :rofl:



LOL.....:clap: :clap: :clap: Couldn't have said it better myself!:ROTF:

I also have used it because I work on peoples computers and I think its a flaming pile of Dog Sh*t

[[cTx] Nooc]

my list:

P5K mobo, start at $130
lots o' ddr2 (very cheap right now, 2Gb for ~$100)
E6750 when it comes out in a week
8800GTS 320Mb and up
Corsair 620 HX PSU

very powerful setup right here.

I won't engage in another Vista vs. XP fight since Vista will win eventually and it's pointless to fight. however I will add that with new drivers and the kind of hardware your new rig will not be slowed down by some transparent windows and fancy graphics. 2Gb of ram should do the mop-up...Try Vista and see if you like it. stability isn't something you choose on a Windows platform, it's something you just deal with. you want stability, go ubuntu.

[Brother Esau]

Qft:)

[ineedaname]

I'd go 4 some crucial ram cuz they're getting so cheap and OC SOOOO well.

But yea wait for price cuts. I'd personally go for a e6750, just heard too many nice things about the G0 steppings. The extra multi is really overrated. Who cares when ur cpu hits 3.6ghz+ anyway.

I also don't really like OCZ power supplies but that's my personal preference. 520 seems a bit low but i guess u don't really need much higher either.

[sin0822]

ok well heres what ill do, im acutalyl going to college soon, my old experience was with phase change and prescotts. So ill figure out the PSU thing, maybe dual PSUs if needed, i can rig that up.

Im going to wait till the end of the month, im also going to get that p5k mobo, and some nice ddr2. I remember when i left, my last big review was on some mushkin 2 gig ddr2 kit, and it was good, so im trusting mushkin, are they still good?

also i think ill get that 8800 card. Im deff going to OC this, i forgot how fun it was. Its my college rig, im going to georgia tech, so i expect many ppl there will have some nice rigs, i want mine to stand out a lil. lol hopfully no one iwll steal it.

[Brother Esau]

Mushkin is always a good bet! Or go with the G-Skill HZ DDR2 800 or also Crucial I own both and the G-Skill is very , very nice for the price! Paid $104.00 for my G-Skill PC2 6400 HZ 2gb kit

[Clint]

LOL yes i've used Vista. I ran RC-1 and RC-2 for quite some time. I ran it on my older rig(see the *family* computer listed in sig). Yes.... my system was up to the task and it still sucked! Very much a resource hog.

I am well aware that the switch to Vista is inevitable. But Windows XP is still a faster and more viable OS as it stands right now.

"Some of you really need to learn how to configure a PC, or learn to buy "DELL" / "HP"" :ROTF:

This coming from someone using Norton Internet Security. :rofl:

I must agree...!:ROTF:

If I know MS right they will have reduced the "DRM polling" to a more decent level in SP1 and we will see a much less hogging OS.
Very easy to fool ppl these days, simply cut back a bit on the already implemented "bad stuff", and suddenly you have made "amazing progress"...!
This will ofcourse trigger the majority who has been doubtful to finally go over to the dark side (and giving up their last bit of privacy/integrity).

Dismiss my post now by all means, but trust me...this is what is going to happend.;)

I'm saving this post for a "what did I say" reply later on...:D

[NickS]

Vista is very solid. Don't waste your money on an old OS when Vista is already out. Get vista Home Premium Retail Upgrade.

+1. Been running Vista for a few months now and I absolutely love it!

Vista absolutely blows. I second the vote on sticking with XP for now. If you really wanna run vista then run it dual boot with XP.

Dual boot is also a viable option, but have you tried Vista?

;2311154']Everyone hated the move from 98 ---> XP too, people forget that only 5 years ago people were making the same arguments, you might as well jump on Vista now and get used to it... Because like it or not, 5 years from now, 99% of people will be loving Vista and swearing not to switch to whatever the new OS of that time period is.

Finally, someone who isn't a complete retard and realizes this! I think I might sig this!

[[cTx] Nooc]

Vista is fun. MS did some major improvements to this OS to bring it to common market. I tried the beta back in the day. It's attractive, more secure and takes only like 15 mins to install. much friendlier to an average user I say.

[zsamz_]

unless you running memory demanding apps no need for 4 gigs
i run dual boot vista and xp
surfin gotta say vista rocks online games A+
everything else + pc gaming xp is faster + all my other progies that wont run on vista lol
best value in cpu i see is the 6750

[Clint]

The comparison of transition from w98-XP and XP-Vista is just not valid.

W98-XP was ONLY about a new OS, when the XP-Vista transition also holds the fact that MS and gang (DRM, Palladium, TC, Fritz Chip...bla bla bla) has severely breached user integrity and privacy.
The bigger part of the resource usage comes from the intense polling that the kernel does, all in the favour of MS and affiliates...or did you really believe that that massive rise in resource usage came from the UI and caching alone??...hehe:rolleyes:

...but I do not expect most Vista users to acknowledge this, all is blinded by the "bling" and the swooshy UI.

Now the new C2D has a little something called txt, (very clever name)..that is the beginning to users loosing control over their PC's....but then again, Vista sure is "nice" and "blingy"...oh, and stable..:rolleyes:

Do some reading, take a pause from the flippin' windows and sidebar configuring for an hour....:rofl:

[orion23]

LOL yes i've used Vista. I ran RC-1 and RC-2 for quite some time. I ran it on my older rig(see the *family* computer listed in sig). Yes.... my system was up to the task and it still sucked! Very much a resource hog.

I am well aware that the switch to Vista is inevitable. But Windows XP is still a faster and more viable OS as it stands right now.

"Some of you really need to learn how to configure a PC, or learn to buy "DELL" / "HP"" :ROTF:

This coming from someone using Norton Internet Security. :rofl:

LOL.....:clap: :clap: :clap: Couldn't have said it better myself!:ROTF:

I also have used it because I work on peoples computers and I think its a flaming pile of Dog Sh*t



Again, comments coming fron non-users, parrots more like it, who will go around repeating stupid things they once heard or read somewhere else :clap:

Symantec's firewall is just awesome. Great interface, lots of options, very user friendly, and the parental controls are the best around.
Antivirus side, is not the strongest, but enough for careful users.
Resources wise, people should really stop trying to use Vista or Norton, photoshop.... in crappy celeron, athlon XP setups :D

I've personally tried Kaspersky and couldn't deal with their Firewall!

[Icer]

Do you do any gaming?

If so, consider an 8800GTS 640MB or even the 320MB version.

Vista is very solid. Don't waste your money on an old OS when Vista is already out. Get vista Home Premium Retail Upgrade.

Why do you need 4GB of RAM? (Are you sure about this?)

2 X 1GB should be more than enough!

P35 motherboard like everybody else said. Abit P35 Pro, Asus P5K Deluxe...

And wait until the 22nd, new processors, cheap prices. There will even be a $266 QUAD Core processor which is just amazing!

I agree with this setup.

[GripS]

Again, comments coming fron non-users, parrots more like it, who will go around repeating stupid things they once heard or read somewhere else :clap:

Symantec's firewall is just awesome. Great interface, lots of options, very user friendly, and the parental controls are the best around.
Antivirus side, is not the strongest, but enough for careful users.
Resources wise, people should really stop trying to use Vista or Norton, photoshop.... in crappy celeron, athlon XP setups :D

I've personally tried Kaspersky and couldn't deal with their Firewall!

What part of i used RC-1 and RC-2 did you not understand? Or do you not know what those are? Anyway, to each his own. Like i said if he was going with vista then he should dual boot it with XP. Something i threw out there to save frustration, not to start an argument.

[orion23]

What part of i used RC-1 and RC-2 did you not understand? Or do you not know what those are? Anyway, to each his own. Like i said if he was going with vista then he should dual boot it with XP. Something i threw out there to save frustration, not to start an argument.

So you admit that you go around bashing an awesome OS based on your experience with the "so called BETA" testing program?

:clap: :down: :shrug: :mad:

People like you make me sick!

The internet needs to be censored...

Not everyone should be entitled to an opinion!

[GripS]

So you admit that you go around bashing an awesome OS based on your experience with the "so called BETA" testing program?

:clap: :down: :shrug: :mad:

People like you make me sick!

The internet needs to be censored...

Not everyone should be entitled to an opinion!

Oh but we are entitled to our own opinions. Get used to it!!!

Dude you really need to relax. :rolleyes:

[orion23]

Oh but we are entitled to our own opinions. Get used to it!!!

Dude you really need to relax. :rolleyes:

I've been told plenty of times that I am an angry young man :shrug:

[Brother Esau]

I've been told plenty of times that I am an angry young man :shrug:


In that case lean a little closer to the screen so I can smack ya:D :welcome:

[GripS]

I've been told plenty of times that I am an angry young man :shrug:

Maybe this is something you should look into?

edit: because i want it ended.

It's all good man. Just count to 10. Everythings gonna be juuuuuuust fine.

[Brother Esau]

Yea really!!! cMon man just because we don't like Vista does not me everybody has to feel that way. But from a practical approach with less headache I still say to everybody wait for VISTA SP1 because contrary to you're positive experience most people are haveing a nightmare with it!

[Movieman]

Sin0822:
From another old guy(55):
Stick with XP and 2 gig of memory is fine.
On the boards listen to these guys, they are giving you good advice.

PS: When Vista is refined in a year or so, then look at it. Until then it's just another MS Beta release IMO..:D

[sin0822]

wait im not acutally old, i just used to be really into this stuff, like a year ago. lol

WEll i mean ill just get 4gigs becuase i dont mind spending a bit extra, even though 2 gigs would yield me higher fsb and tighter timings.

Shoudl i get that good priced quad core or the nicer dual core?

[Brother Esau]

Pre order a Q6600 G0 Stepping chip from Tank Guys

[StealthyFish]

unless you running memory demanding apps no need for 4 gigs
i run dual boot vista and xp
surfin gotta say vista rocks online games A+
everything else + pc gaming xp is faster + all my other progies that wont run on vista lol
best value in cpu i see is the 6750

I don't really see a difference between Vista and PC. Only things I like about vista are the aero effects (pretty nice if you ask me), the dark themes and transparencies (lighter affect on the eyes), and how you can see what windows show when they're minimized when you move your cursor over it (convienent). otherwise, I could go either way. 2gb seems to be enough. I eat 700mb surfing the web (i'm using it now). I've also got an Xp system next to me. Doesn't really matter much to me what I use, lol.

[Brother Esau]

The comparison of transition from w98-XP and XP-Vista is just not valid.

W98-XP was ONLY about a new OS, when the XP-Vista transition also holds the fact that MS and gang (DRM, Palladium, TC, Fritz Chip...bla bla bla) has severely breached user integrity and privacy.
The bigger part of the resource usage comes from the intense polling that the kernel does, all in the favour of MS and affiliates...or did you really believe that that massive rise in resource usage came from the UI and caching alone??...hehe:rolleyes:

...but I do not expect most Vista users to acknowledge this, all is blinded by the "bling" and the swooshy UI.

Now the new C2D has a little something called txt, (very clever name)..that is the beginning to users loosing control over their PC's....but then again, Vista sure is "nice" and "blingy"...oh, and stable..:rolleyes:

Do some reading, take a pause from the flippin' windows and sidebar configuring for an hour....:rofl:

Ahhhh...great minds do think alike and well said!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Not too many can deal with absolute truth and would rather be lied to atleast from my experience on earth.

[sofarfrome]

So you admit that you go around bashing an awesome OS based on your experience with the "so called BETA" testing program?

:clap: :down: :shrug: :mad:

People like you make me sick!

The internet needs to be censored...

Not everyone should be entitled to an opinion!

Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion, at least in a free world. You just need to be able to filter through all of the BS so as not to get so uptight about such a mundane issue as someone having an opinion about an operating system.

[Movieman]

The comparison of transition from w98-XP and XP-Vista is just not valid.

W98-XP was ONLY about a new OS, when the XP-Vista transition also holds the fact that MS and gang (DRM, Palladium, TC, Fritz Chip...bla bla bla) has severely breached user integrity and privacy.
The bigger part of the resource usage comes from the intense polling that the kernel does, all in the favour of MS and affiliates...or did you really believe that that massive rise in resource usage came from the UI and caching alone??...hehe:rolleyes:

...but I do not expect most Vista users to acknowledge this, all is blinded by the "bling" and the swooshy UI.

Now the new C2D has a little something called txt, (very clever name)..that is the beginning to users loosing control over their PC's....but then again, Vista sure is "nice" and "blingy"...oh, and stable..:rolleyes:

Do some reading, take a pause from the flippin' windows and sidebar configuring for an hour....:rofl:
Thank you for putting into words what some of us less knowledable softwarewise only felt in our "gut"

So you admit that you go around bashing an awesome OS based on your experience with the "so called BETA" testing program?

:clap: :down: :shrug: :mad:

1)People like you make me sick!

2)The internet needs to be censored...

3)Not everyone should be entitled to an opinion!
( GENTLY REACHES OVER AND PUTS ON MOD HAT)
1) Bad way to start out to make your feelings known.
Attack the man's argument, not the man.
2) Nope, then were into another Nazi Germany.
3) No again. Censorship helps no one my friend. It's our responsibility as rational thinking adults to do our research, add up all the opinions we can get on a subject and then sort it out.
Now it may sound like I'm singling you out here but I'm not.
There are a few things that we'd like to have on this forum and amongst them are courtesy and respect for all the users.
Now it would be wonderful if everyone got along as buddies but thats asking too much in a forum that is 70% people between the age of 15-25..
The testosterone levels are just too high for that kind of expectation but we do ask and demand respect for the fellow users.
Thanks for reading..
(removes mod hat and goes back to enjoying the forum)

[Clint]

Ahhhh...great minds do think alike and well said!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Not too many can deal with absolute truth and would rather be lied to atleast from my experience on earth.

Thank you for putting into words what some of us less knowledable softwarewise only felt in our "gut"


:up:

[sin0822]

so im leaning towards the new dual core thats 3ghz? or should i get that well prices quad core? which will give me better performance?

Can i still use the p5k deluxe with the dual and quad core processors? or will i need another mobo for the quad?

Im thinking about watercooling this rig. I havent been around for a while and i stepped across that OCZ watercooled ram, is that stuff any good or does the small 1/4 id restrict the water flow to an extent that id be better off not colling the ram with water?

BTW how much will the Q6600 be? and the E6850?

[Brother Esau]

Around $300.00 for both chips! If you want I will sell my E6420 that is 1 month old and does 3.5ghz 1.43V for $160.00 when I get my Q6600 in a week or so!:)

[Movieman]

I would also get the Q6600 but be carefull. You want the new G0 stepping and there will be lots of old B3's around that stores will want to move.
The price break is as of the 22nd BUT don't plan on seeing $266.00 on the 23rd..
Think closer to $300.00 and a week later.
Best of Luck in your build!:up:

[gooface]

vista is way better than XP, I will never go back to XP ever again, vista just has a new fresh and clean feel to it, and driver support for it is good atm, i have ran it since February and i have had zero problems, i had the RC's and they sucked big time, almost had doubts about vista, but then the retail came out and the driver support has matured alot since i have had the retail since February and now its a fantastic OS, XP is not going to be available much longer because M$ is throwing it out fast, and even though that is to push this new OS on us, its still a great OS over XP, dont waste your money on a dated OS, get something that will last you.

[Brother Esau]

When XP goes I will be moving exclusively to Free BSD or Linux full time!

Personally...and remember (each to their own) I don't want anything to do with Microsofts/NSA's Windows Vista :down:

[Clint]

vista is way better than XP, I will never go back to XP ever again, vista just has a new fresh and clean feel to it, and driver support for it is good atm, i have ran it since February and i have had zero problems, i had the RC's and they sucked big time, almost had doubts about vista, but then the retail came out and the driver support has matured alot since i have had the retail since February and now its a fantastic OS, XP is not going to be available much longer because M$ is throwing it out fast, and even though that is to push this new OS on us, its still a great OS over XP, dont waste your money on a dated OS, get something that will last you.

Please read this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

..well, I can hope..can't I?:D

[Lome]

you realize xp sp2 has 98% of the drm vista has dont you?
so the only qurestion is do you want you ram to be idle and the os to swap like mad when theres 90% ram free or do you want to actualy use your pc resouces to fuller potential

that article is bullocks

[Wiggy McShades]

I would also recommend the P5K Deluxe. I'd also wait till the 22nd for the processor purchase and go with a quad. :p: Rather than XP as others have recommended...I'd go x64. (at least it will recognize 4GB plus ram) I'm currently using Vista 64 on my main rig. :down: And I'd say it's worthless without 8GB of ram. ( I have 4GB) When copying large files (3.5GB plus) it caches everything. I actually run out of memory and I have to reboot to reclaim it. I thought that's why I have a 6GB page file. :shrug: During a virus scan with Kaspersky today... 3.5 GB of my memory was utilized and my system became useless as if there was 100% cpu usage. (cpu usage was less than 15%) After the scan, I had to reboot to reclaim used memory. Vista = not ready for prime time. ;)


you need 8gb's? :banana::banana::banana::banana: im running it only using 2 what the :banana::banana::banana::banana: am i gunna do?! i mean everything works fine and stable I must of got the good vista, it looks like you got the bad one.

[GAR]

vista is running awsome for me, actually gaming is as good, and on par with xp, not slower, and image quality looks better on windows vista as well, i personally will never go back to XP, why move backwords, weather you like it or not, vista will be your main OS in 1 year at most, so you might as well install it and get used to it.......vista plays smoother, looks better, and is more fun to use, you can always go into MSCONFIG and disable everything you do not need, people who do not know how to use a pc very well always make stupid comments........only 18% of my ram is being used at idle, windows xp was using 14%.......now thats only a 4% difference in memory usage, once tweaked obviously.......so if you havnt tried it, and do not know how to use the OS, dont assume its bad just because some IDIOT on some website/forum/blog wrote something bad about vista, it has been said, stop being parrots.......speaking without knowing is not wise at all.....dont knock it till you try it............and not on a athlon xp or a celery cpu.....and yes you need 2gb's to see vista shine, atleast 2 that is...........now everyone kiss and make up, because we ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL will be using windows vista and will be swearing by it veryyyyyyyyy soooonnnnn.

[Clint]

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Love and peace to all, even though they sometimes don't understand thier own good.

[Movieman]

XP does NOT have even a fraction of the performance and integrity breaching technology that VISTA has...period.
You obviously don't know how to differentiate shajt from chocolate...

Please show me the 98%...:ROTF:



So you you are calling the author of that blog an idiot..huh?

Have you even got a clue?

..and talking about idiot, your mathematical knowledge really are under the level of any kindergarden student:

If you have used 14% of RAM in XP (let me guess, 2GB installed?..maybe only 1GB?)

..and your Vista install uses 18% (of the 4GB in your sig.)

..then the "difference" as you call it...first of all is based on two different sums, secondly if you talk about the "difference" it's percentage units

Now, let me help you: (pads on the head)

14% of 2GB is 280MB (wich sounds like a lot if you are "tweaking" it)

18% of 4GB is 432MB (wich sounds very low for 4GB, even after "tweaking")
VISTA has a memorymanagment that is "dynamic", it will allow the OS to use RAM based on how much is installed...so that number for 4GB I simply don't buy.


You calling the author of that blog an IDIOT is too funny:rofl:
Play nice..Remember, attack the arguement, not the man.
You can take someones statements apart with numbers and logic without calling that person clueless, an idiot or anything else.
Thanks for reading.

[Clint]

Play nice..Remember, attack the arguement, not the man.
You can take someones statements apart with numbers and logic without calling that person clueless, an idiot or anything else.
Thanks for reading.

By respect of the elder here, I hereby redraw my earlier statements, and now consider my input in subject ended.

I know I sometimes loose patience, even though my efforts to make ppl understand are meant in favour of my fellow members here...