Real World DirectX 10 Performance: It Ain't Pretty

[XeRo]

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029

[NightCrawler™]

So much for investing in DX10 hardware and software.... :rolleyes:

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

I'm still trying to read the article. It's loading sloooow.

But I don't know... If you play at a reasonable resolution like 1440x900, it can't be that bad. I'll finish the article and quit speculating now... :p

Ryan

[triple_A]

I'm beginning to wonder...
is it because of dx10 itself, or because of the premature drivers..?

[awdrifter]

Looks like we really need the 1T flops G92 to play DX10 games. Hopefully this will deter developers a little bit so I can use my X1950GT for a few more months (maybe year).

[Revv23]

i bet it's driver issues... but it could be hardware.

gpu makers could have put in weak DX10 support knowing that all they needed was the DX10 sticker on the box. By the time DX10 games really started ramping they would be on 2nd gen DX10 hardware.

Anyways, i was thinking about upgrading my 1900xt, but now it's clear that i just need to keep it until next gen. less then 30 fps with max settings isn't going to work for me. I'll run lower settings until a card comes out that lets me max out the quality. :)

[Hicks]

None of those games are proper DX10 games. A DX9 game, with a DX10 patch means :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

[d3fc0n5]

I'm beginning to wonder...
is it because of dx10 itself, or because of the premature drivers..?

I'm betting Its a little of both. And proly the Games themselves Since I believe there all Native DX9 and got "updated" to DX10

I'm still trying to read the article. It's loading sloooow.

But I don't know... If you play at a reasonable resolution like 1440x900, it can't be that bad. I'll finish the article and quit speculating now... :p

Ryan

And They ran the tests @1280x1024. So......You don't get much more reasonable then that



But anyways I remember seeing a post awhile ago saying "The First versions of dx10 cards are going to run dx10 like the 5200FX ran dx9" Or something like that. But it seems to be true.

[Jamesrt2004]

None of those games are proper DX10 games. A DX9 game, with a DX10 patch means :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

QFT you cant say it's DX10 as it's not fully optimized for it using all of DX10's features so just wait for the proper dx10 games to come out :)

[Shintai]

A pure DX9 to DX10 without any extra features would most likely give 5-10% performance boost. But adding anything and you are quickly at a loss.

GPU makers that sponsors these DX10 games are also not interrested in that. They want to make sure you also need the nextgen card and the one after that.

[[XC] MarioMaster]

hmm i can't get the article to load

[Frank M]

While waiting for it to load (over a minute now, we're in the age of broadband,
right? :eh: ), IIRC Crytek said that the unoptimised Crysis was running fine on
a Conroe and a 8800GTX at a high resolution all maxed out -- so it may change.
At last the index has loaded. Most of these are dx9-patched-for-dx10, aren't
they? Then I'd say it was a lame recode and immature drivers.

[XeRo]

It seems Anandtech and DT are down.

[Fhqwhgads6680]

lol I think everyone nad their mother is trying to load this article... I feel like I am on aol dial up

loading company of heros.... , ha, lets make it a race!

[leomax]

woot,dx10 bought AT,DT down :p:

[Revv23]

woot,dx10 bought AT,DT down :p:

its working for me.

[Richie P]

woot,dx10 bought AT,DT down :p:

LOL :ROTF:

Think the only promising info to come out of that article is the DX9 -> DX10 percentage performance difference on top nVidia cards. Therefore, being an nVidia optimised game, if this type of optimisation is possible, there's still hope for current DX10 cards.

Now I've got a GTX, I'm not looking forward to dropping resolutions to get games to run smoothly again :(

[DilTech]

Apparently the vista 162 driver is pretty strong, anyone else notice that for the 8800's that lost planet's DX10 performance exceeded dx9 performance?

Either way, judging by the increase NVidia has seen in lost planet, I'm going to go on the theory that both camps DX10 drivers aren't up to snuff.

[Stuperman]

this is about as surprising as the sunrise for several reasons;

1st gen DX9 cards(radeon 9500/9700) couldn't run heavy DX9 to save their lives, so why would 1st gen DX10 cards be any different?

Vista generally has lower gaming performance than XP

Dirvers for vista seem to be somewhat of a nightmare

it all adds up pretty quick.

anand works for me, but very slowly.

[vitaminc]

i would wait for mainstream native dx10 games before next gpu purchase...

[lapdog]

I think the card I bought a year ago will last another year...by then I can get a good DX10 card and have good games to play with. 1680x1050!

[neist]

Hm... I was fixing to buy a new GPU too.

I may just go with something cheap and upgrade next year. I only get to upgrade once every 2 years or so, so I'm not dropping 400 bucks on a card that wont even reasonably play DX10.

[ownage]

My x1900GT can play almost @ 1680x1050, not everything on high, and tweaked offcourse, but its still enough. I think i'll wait for Q1 2008.

[96redformula7]

The way nvidia boasted about DX10 makes me feel like they were taking me in for a scam.

[vitaminc]

read through the article...

and i have been wondering for a long time, that why did most reviews are done using legacy resolutions? 1280x1024? wtf? its 2007, not 2002...

[Revv23]

this is about as surprising as the sunrise for several reasons;

1st gen DX9 cards(radeon 9500/9700) couldn't run heavy DX9 to save their lives, so why would 1st gen DX10 cards be any different?

Vista generally has lower gaming performance than XP

Dirvers for vista seem to be somewhat of a nightmare

it all adds up pretty quick.

anand works for me, but very slowly.

you think so? My 9800 lasted me well into the DX9 era.

[XeRo]

you think so? My 9800 lasted me well into the DX9 era.

Wasn't the 9800 second gen?

[CBONE]

Huh. Looks like every card out there sucks for DX10. I guess I'll just wait until the refreshes come out and get benched before I decide whether to make the Vista switch.

[DilTech]

read through the article...

and i have been wondering for a long time, that why did most reviews are done using legacy resolutions? 1280x1024? wtf? its 2007, not 2002...

The charts under the graphs tell performance for the other resolutions...

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

they also explained that they wanted to do 1280x1024 because if you got the resolution too high, the rest of the cards in the review would all show 6fps. They're trying to give you an idea of how they perform next to each other.

Ryan

[zerazax]

Methinks driver issues are the biggest problems. Lost Planet shows that DX10 could actually exceed DX9 if the game was optimized properly - and Lost Planet is a terribly coded port to PC from the 360 to begin with.

Then again, overall FPS is terrible in comparison to DX9 - borderline unplayable to downright unplayable for every game it seems in DX10.

I think drivers are important but then again, 1st gen cards aren't a great idea for future games. Add on to the fact that DX10 requires Vista, which a lot of people don't want to jump to just yet when XP is doing quite well, and I see little incentive for developers to make fully DX10 optimized games when a DX9 capable game will sell a lot better. Not to mention that not many people want to spend $500 on a card that will soon be outdated by 2nd gen cards and can barely handle DX10 atm.

[Kanten]

Let's wait for Crysis to come out, then we can get some real Dx10 tests.

[ownage]

Let's wait for Crysis to come out, then we can get some real Dx10 tests.

I never believe Crysis will be full DX10. Just some DX9 game with DX10 patch. IF they sell it as a DX10 game, then its just MARKETING.

[dexman]

what about Bioshock? it´s supposed to be released in August and should be DX10. probably the first game to show what are DX10 cards really about.

[vitaminc]

The charts under the graphs tell performance for the other resolutions...

right. my point was, 1920x1200 or 1600x1200 should be the standard for comparison now. 1280x1024 is for the last decade. wtf is the point of using a monitor that costs less than a graphics card?

or this is just a special olympics of almost working dx10 cards?

[DeathReborn]

right. my point was, 1920x1200 or 1600x1200 should be the standard for comparison now. 1280x1024 is for the last decade. wtf is the point of using a monitor that costs less than a graphics card?

or this is just a special olympics of almost working dx10 cards?

More people around the world use 1024x768 or 1280x1024 than both 1920x1200 & 1600x1200 put together. That is why it's the defacto standard baseline resolution as seen in benchmarks like 3DMark06. It's there to give a broad range of GPU's a chance to show what they can do.

[DilTech]

right. my point was, 1920x1200 or 1600x1200 should be the standard for comparison now. 1280x1024 is for the last decade. wtf is the point of using a monitor that costs less than a graphics card?

or this is just a special olympics of almost working dx10 cards?

Considering they were also showing the mid-range as well, and the mid-range showing embarrassingly low numbers, I think they made the right decision.

If it was high-end only, it probably would've been 1600x1200 for the graph, and still had the chart under it for other resolutions.

[vitaminc]

More people around the world use 1024x768 or 1280x1024 than both 1920x1200 & 1600x1200 put together. That is why it's the defacto standard baseline resolution as seen in benchmarks like 3DMark06. It's there to give a broad range of GPU's a chance to show what they can do.

and more people around the world uses integrated grahpics or DX9 GPUs than all DX10 combined.

what's the point of using leading edge products on legacy standards?

or you think testing 50" HDTV using VCR makes 100% sense?

[DeathReborn]

and more people around the world uses integrated grahpics or DX9 GPUs than all DX10 combined.

what's the point of using leading edge products on legacy standards?

or you think testing 50" HDTV using VCR makes 100% sense?

Because the HD2600 & 8600 series and below are not cutting edge, infact they're hardly an improvement on your 7600GT. That is where the majority of the DX10 sales are and then can't even handle 1280x1024 so the reason for using those resolutions is clear, to demonstrate how crap the majority of users DX10 experience is going to be.

We can argue statistics all you want but EVEN at 1280x1024 the high end is choking at times so there is every reason to include it. DX10 enables more to be done but so far all they've done is cripple modern hardware (some of which is too slow to even consider).

Fact is 1280x1024 is NOT a LEGACY Standard, it's the most widely used resolution which makes it the BEST CANDIDATE to bench a range of hardware on. You can raise it or lower it for other tests but the standard of 1280x1024 is going to last for a long time yet so get used to it. Will you complain if 3DMark07 uses 1280x1024 as default, even if the scores are low?

[Revv23]

Wasn't the 9800 second gen?

technically, but it was really just a small bump in clockspeeds.

[[XC] gomeler]

Those of you complaining about the resolutoin need to realize that 12x10 is the current standard. Atleast they didn't do the benchies at 10x7 and make it CPU limited.. somehow :up:

[Eastcoasthandle]

I never believe Crysis will be full DX10. Just some DX9 game with DX10 patch. IF they sell it as a DX10 game, then its just MARKETING.
Good point
Also, since TWIMTBP (http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_twimtbp_gameslist.html) is working so closely with Crysis (http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/06/26/roy_taylor_interview_twimtbp_dx10/6)I'm sure it will be optimized for G80. Therefore, their is no need to wait for any comparison. But anything is possible if it's a true DX10 title. Not just some patched DX9c application updated to DX10 that we've been seeing lately (be it patched to Dx10 before our after you buy the application). :shakes:

As for current benchmarks on DX10 it's now apparent that the performance hit is revelant to DX9 applications running on a DX10 native OS which doesn't do well with DX9 IMO. As we all know Lost Planet is a TWIMTBP application :rolleyes:. IMO HD 2900XT's 512Megs of on board ram appears to limit it's actually performance when you are dealing with "optimize" shadows in Lost Planet (be it set to medium or high). Dirt is another game that requires a large amount of on board memory to enabled ultra shadows. Not that it's an excuse but it does appear that the 512megs of ram in some games can limit the HD 2900XT's performance (based on arch design, etc ...again IMO). However, I would like to see how the 1gig version does (using this same example) to be certain.:cool:

[Natalia]

None of those games are proper DX10 games. A DX9 game, with a DX10 patch means :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

Didn't the acticle make a pretty valid statement that True DX10 games will be a couple years away, since they still need to make games that are marketable to people that still have older DX9 hardware?

So won't we see most DX10 simply as a bonus feature on games until the majority of people have new hardware?

[BrowncoatGR]

OpenGL might just make a huge comeback soon

[RADCOM]

Ripped off and sold pipesmoke again........the only way to deal with these thieves are to not buy their products until they produce something that offers tangible benefits. Much as I hate to say it the console market doesn't operate like that!

[Clairvoyant129]

HD2900XT is sure taking a beating. I thought it was meant for DX10? :rolleyes:

[cadaveca]

Didn't the acticle make a pretty valid statement that True DX10 games will be a couple years away, since they still need to make games that are marketable to people that still have older DX9 hardware?

So won't we see most DX10 simply as a bonus feature on games until the majority of people have new hardware?


Point he's trying to make is that, really, any title claiming to use DX10, really doesn't. Company of Heroes, wow, geometry instanceing for rocks and grass!!!

:stick:


Sadly, that's the closest thing to DX10 ATM.

A few titles are using DX10 for "limit breaking" in the number of objects in a scene, but this is hardly something DX10 features over DX9...


Case and point is G80 vs R600. Alot of people feel the number of final-render-units is too few...in comparison to G80.

Of course, given the right workload, G80 can render faster framerate...thanks to this greater number of render units(more pixels can be rendered to final scene at once), but most don't realize that while this is fine and dandy, it hardly makes for a "well tuned" gpu that can efficiently handle DX10 workloads, when given the number of operations needed for proper DX10 work, and the ratio of the workload for shaders in comparison to the work that can be done by render-ends.


In other words, G80 is well-suited for DX9 loads with added DX10 features. They commited to enabling all features of DX10, but make no claims to how fast each feature may perform.

R600, on the other hand, is not well suited for this type of rendering. It's a DX10 card with DX10 features, and DX9 is not the major priority. It plays such titles fine, but ther are limits imposed by how it's organized.


In fact, it's so bad that most of a gpu will be idle, like more than 3/4's idle, at any given moment, when rendering 3D in DX9(thank you DX SDK for your lovely tools) .

This "idle-nature" lowers heat output and power consumption, but it also speaks volume about how apps are coded poorly to match hardware resources.

Until these programmers start using a different approach as to how thier scenes are rendered, nothing will change, and we will have many titles that are DX9-style with added DX10 features, and as you say, it will be for some time.

[XeRo]

I wonder how many people are actually going to buy 8600s or 2600s to play dx10 games.

[Kunaak]

Lost planet unplayable?
port of a mediocre shooter?

over a million games sold, and its "bad"??

maybe that review was written by a guy that has one eye, and 3 fingers??

lost planet, is one of the simplest and most direct shooter games I have ever played, and I have found it to be exceptional so far.
my only complaint about the game is, I wish there was more bugs, big ones, to shoot, and battle. the pirates and all are cool, but I like the super bugs.
I love the game so far, and I only at mission 8.

maybe the person wasnt even a gamer... more like a old man, use to playing pacman for 20 hours a day??

anyways...

this is no different then what we saw, when DX9 and DX8 came out.
there was little to no visual difference in the early games, early drivers sucked, and it took awhile before DX9 really caught on.

DX9 has been around for about 5 years now....
it takes awhile for the general public to catch up to us privleged few on these boards, who tend to be on the cutting edge of the hardware industry.
the average joe still plays with things like MX440's and 9800 pros.
so they gotta make most games backwards compatible to some degree...

theres no such thing as "true DX9", cause when people imply that, they seem to think "DX9 only". but you cannot make a game, if it excludes a portion of your potential customer base, unless you just happen to not like making money for some reason.
even recent games like Oblivion, are DX8 compatible, and DX7 compatible, with alittle modification.

games always have been backwards compatible with older cards to some degree, and always will have to be, cause of the huge variation in hardware people out there still use.

my impression of the "Gamer" that wrote this article.


"how do you turn on this gizmo, the box here, I see no knobs".

you mean the monitor?

"no, this box here, and wheres all the insides? did someone forget to ship the rest of it? in my day, when we used a tv, it was small round, and had knobs and we liked it, dagnabbit.... not like you kids, with your new fangled gizmos, and screens with not tv inside".

umm, first off, I am 38, so I am not really a kid... and thats called a LCD, thats how it's suppose to be.... heres let me turn it on for you.

"well gee willickers kid, how did you do that? you kids and your thingamabobs, I'll never understand.... ok, so how do I play this game you want me to review?"

you mean lost planet?

"huh? I am not lost, and why you calling me a plant, your the one sitting on your ass 12 hours a day... I bet you got roots sprouting out your ass you sit in that chair so long sunny boy"

"the game.... its called "LOST ..... PLANET", I am not calling you any names, thats what the game is called"

"oh.... well.... why didnt you say so?"

....................... here, just review this game please.....

"AAAAAAAAAH, what is this, how do I do this, whats that AAAAHHH"

thats called sound.... and thats the game menu.

"I hate this game already. its impossible to play, and it looks like that game my grandkids love. but I hate that game....

why in my day, we threw red balls at each other, and if your were the fat kid you were out.... now that was a game.
and jacks..... oooh, I could play a mean game of jacks... I drop that ball, and whip up all your jacks, before the ball could bounce again, I tell you what, I was unstoppable.... they use to call me one eye willy, cause I was so good with them jacks"

one eye willy huh.... you sure they were calling you that cause they liked your game.... cause your names bob isnt it? shouldnt they call you one eye bob then??

"oh shut up you crazy kid, wheres that game... lots of plant, or whatever, I am gonna get paid for this right? the review right? cause I need my medication, I got cataract surgery in a few days"

hold on, can you see?

"nope, blind as a bat, but I can still hear great"

ok.... ok.... well.... you can go now.

"am I done with the review? will I get my money? I need my medication"

yes... that will do, you did fine for your review... you can go now...

"dagnabbit, whoobity bloo blah, grrrr," (mumbling on his way out about how "in my generation...." )

yep...
thats how I think the review for lost planet went.

[nn_step]

Lost planet unplayable?
port of a mediocre shooter?

over a million games sold, and its "bad"??

maybe that review was written by a guy that has one eye, and 3 fingers??

lost planet, is one of the simplest and most direct shooter games I have ever played, and I have found it to be exceptional so far.
my only complaint about the game is, I wish there was more bugs, big ones, to shoot, and battle. the pirates and all are cool, but I like the super bugs.
I love the game so far, and I only at mission 8.

maybe the person wasnt even a gamer... more like a old man, use to playing pacman for 20 hours a day??

anyways...

this is no different then what we saw, when DX9 and DX8 came out.
there was little to no visual difference in the early games, early drivers sucked, and it took awhile before DX9 really caught on.

DX9 has been around for about 5 years now....
it takes awhile for the general public to catch up to us privleged few on these boards, who tend to be on the cutting edge of the hardware industry.
the average joe still plays with things like MX440's and 9800 pros.
so they gotta make most games backwards compatible to some degree...

theres no such thing as "true DX9", cause when people imply that, they seem to think "DX9 only". but you cannot make a game, if it excludes a portion of your potential customer base, unless you just happen to not like making money for some reason.
even recent games like Oblivion, are DX8 compatible, and DX7 compatible, with alittle modification.

games always have been backwards compatible with older cards to some degree, and always will have to be, cause of the huge variation in hardware people out there still use.

my impression of the "Gamer" that wrote this article.


"how do you turn on this gizmo, the box here, I see no knobs".

you mean the monitor?

"no, this box here, and wheres all the insides? did someone forget to ship the rest of it? in my day, when we used a tv, it was small round, and had knobs and we liked it, dagnabbit.... not like you kids, with your new fangled gizmos, and screens with not tv inside".

umm, first off, I am 38, so I am not really a kid... and thats called a LCD, thats how it's suppose to be.... heres let me turn it on for you.

"well gee willickers kid, how did you do that? you kids and your thingamabobs, I'll never understand.... ok, so how do I play this game you want me to review?"

you mean lost planet?

"huh? I am not lost, and why you calling me a plant, your the one sitting on your ass 12 hours a day... I bet you got roots sprouting out your ass you sit in that chair so long sunny boy"

"the game.... its called "LOST ..... PLANET", I am not calling you any names, thats what the game is called"

"oh.... well.... why didnt you say so?"

....................... here, just review this game please.....

"AAAAAAAAAH, what is this, how do I do this, whats that AAAAHHH"

thats called sound.... and thats the game menu.

"I hate this game already. its impossible to play, and it looks like that game my grandkids love. but I hate that game....

why in my day, we threw red balls at each other, and if your were the fat kid you were out.... now that was a game.
and jacks..... oooh, I could play a mean game of jacks... I drop that ball, and whip up all your jacks, before the ball could bounce again, I tell you what, I was unstoppable.... they use to call me one eye willy, cause I was so good with them jacks"

one eye willy huh.... you sure they were calling you that cause they liked your game.... cause your names bob isnt it? shouldnt they call you one eye bob then??

"oh shut up you crazy kid, wheres that game... lots of plant, or whatever, I am gonna get paid for this right? the review right? cause I need my medication, I got cataract surgery in a few days"

hold on, can you see?

"nope, blind as a bat, but I can still hear great"

ok.... ok.... well.... you can go now.

"am I done with the review? will I get my money? I need my medication"

yes... that will do, you did fine for your review... you can go now...

"dagnabbit, whoobity bloo blah, grrrr," (mumbling on his way out about how "in my generation...." )

yep...
thats how I think the review for lost planet went.

You forgot to include his picture
http://blakep.com/crazy%20old%20man.jpg

[Mudkips]

Maybe DX10 gaming is so bad because consumers bought a card at a time when no DX10 games were out expecting them to perform well.

[afireinside]

right. my point was, 1920x1200 or 1600x1200 should be the standard for comparison now. 1280x1024 is for the last decade. wtf is the point of using a monitor that costs less than a graphics card?

or this is just a special olympics of almost working dx10 cards?

Why would you want a monitor that costs more than your graphics card? If you spend more on a monitor then chances are your GPU won't be able to handle it :lol: Unless you go 37+ inch 1080p TV. Hell even the 2560*1600 30" LCDs cost just a smidgen more than the two top of the line video cards it takes to drive it. You're lost.

But yeah you're right. Most people who buy the top end hardware are either still sticking with their trusty 1600*1200+ CRTs or have jumped ship over to 20-22" LCDs with this abysmal 1680*1050 res.

[STEvil]

who cares about cost. I want the resolution.

[dinos22]

surely these are driver problems

i thought that DX10 was introduced to speed up games
NOT slow them down and eye candy is not really what dx10 was about right?????????????????

[nn_step]

surely these are driver problems

i thought that DX10 was introduced to speed up games
NOT slow them down and eye candy is not really what dx10 was about right?????????????????

DX10 is entirely about eye candy but you can only provide that eye candy if you are willing to throw GPU cycles at it.

[grimREEFER]

8800gtx does pretty well, amd needs to get some better cards out

[grimREEFER]

HD2900XT is sure taking a beating. I thought it was meant for DX10? :rolleyes:

yea, this article pretty much destroys that claim lol.

[AbelJemka]

If you thrash the overtweaked TWIMTP Lost Planet where are you seeing 8800s handle DX10 games pretty well? :ROTF:
Seems Nvidia boys like Pyrrhic victory :down: .

[[XC] leviathan18]

nnstep that was movieman waking up after a dagorat battle?

[nn_step]

yea, this article pretty much destroys that claim lol.
no it doesn't, it just once again hits on the point that regardless how superior a product is, if people don't make use of its benefits then it is thought of as inferior.

[afireinside]

no it doesn't, it just once again hits on the point that regardless how superior a product is, if people don't make use of its benefits then it is thought of as inferior.

Mind explaining that in english?

ATI gets smashed

[AbelJemka]

Everyone get smashed sub-20fps in 1600x1200 : slideshow on:shocked:

[Clairvoyant129]

If you thrash the overtweaked TWIMTP Lost Planet where are you seeing 8800s handle DX10 games pretty well? :ROTF:
Seems Nvidia boys like Pyrrhic victory :down: .


Oh really? So I guess Company of Heroes if a TWIMTP game also because the 8800GTS is outperforming the HD2900 @ 1280x1024 with 4xAA. I guess every game where G80 is showing it's superiority is a TWIMTP game. :rolleyes:

[XeRo]

Oh really? So I guess Company of Heroes if a TWIMTP game also because the 8800GTS is outperforming the HD2900 @ 1280x1024 with 4xAA. I guess every game where G80 is showing it's superiority is a TWIMTP game. :rolleyes:

not understanding here. Are you saying CoH is not a TWIMTP game? CoH is TWIMTP game.

[cadaveca]

I guess every game where G80 is showing it's superiority is a TWIMTP game. :rolleyes:


:yepp: hate to break to ya, but that's EXACTLY how this story goes...


:fart:

[xlink]

I'm still trying to read the article. It's loading sloooow.


because it's DX10

[nn_step]

Mind explaining that in english?

ATI gets smashed

for example I can recall some DX9 benchmarks where the 5800ultra out performs the 9800pro. Does it mean that the 5800Ultra was better? not a chance in hell

[zerazax]

You know now that the 8800 Ultra can be had for < $600 AMIR, its suddenly looking like a good future-proof card. It handles these DX10 converted games easily and if you aren't planning to get the G92/R700 immediately, it might be worth getting.

[saaya]

So much for investing in DX10 hardware and software.... :rolleyes:

so much for spending loads of cash on first gen hardware of a new technology ;) its funny how many people just dont want to acceot that fact that there is almost nothing future proof in IT. everybody is amazed at the pace things develop at and affraid investments arent future proof, as a result claiming something is future proof in the product description will double your sales, lol :D

[AbelJemka]

Oh really? So I guess Company of Heroes if a TWIMTP game also because the 8800GTS is outperforming the HD2900 @ 1280x1024 with 4xAA. I guess every game where G80 is showing it's superiority is a TWIMTP game. :rolleyes:
First i said overtweaked TWIMTBP, i never see a X360 game performs so badly on ATI hardware, NEVER :ROTF:
Second do you know what is a Pyrrhic victory? May search for it.

[RAMMAN]

pyrrhic victory>defeat.especially when it comes to dx10 games.

[AbelJemka]

Exactly :up: .
With DX10 at the moment , we gain so few and lose so much. I stick with XP.

[safan80]

I brought my G80 for the best DX9 performance and I'm happy with it. I expect the next gen cards to be good at DX10 but not the current. 1st gen stuff always sucks.

[DTU_XaVier]

If Lost Planet is a direct port, wasn't it originally developed on ATI-hardware?
How can you call it a TWIMTP-game then?
And how much do you think it matters that they've got a goddamn sticker on it? The developers might have used one company's hardware, but how much does it matter if they've stuck to MS's API?

Best Regards :toast:

[Phlash]

This angers me as I just bought an 8800 GTX for $450 t.t

I thought I was getting a good deal >.<

Well, once the G92 comes out I spose I'll just sell it and upgrade... sigh...

[safan80]

Well, once the G92 comes out I spose I'll just sell it and upgrade... sigh...


it's the best way to keep current with the newest video card some one else always wanted an older card just so don't have to spend too much.

[AbelJemka]

If Lost Planet is a direct port, wasn't it originally developed on ATI-hardware?
How can you call it a TWIMTP-game then?
And how much do you think it matters that they've got a goddamn sticker on it? The developers might have used one company's hardware, but how much does it matter if they've stuck to MS's API?

Best Regards :toast:
:ROTF:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_42444.html
NVIDIA has worked closely with Capcom to bring the hit Xbox 360 action shooter to the PC, providing technical expertise and GeForce® 8 Series graphics processing units (GPUs) for development and testing. Lost Planet is in NVIDIA’s The Way Its Meant To Be Played® program.

Quote by Jun Takeuchi, producer of Lost Planet:

"NVIDIA technical expertise was critical in making our game look even better on the PC. The incredible rendering power of NVIDIA GeForce graphics processors allows gamers to experience every amazing detail that Lost Planet has to offer."

Expertise = mean Nvidia brougth them coffee or Nvidia shown them the rigth way to program the game? :rolleyes: