Bill is no longer the Richest Man on earth

[oublie]

Bill has been dethroned! - Serves him right for allow vista to live :D

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/03/gates_richest_man/

[[XC] riptide]

Well it would be hard considering the vast amount of money he's given to charity.

[xlink]

yeh riptide, ti's really really easy to have more cash than gates.

I mean if you look around XS and at how much is wasted on hardware which is trashed after a few uses...

[SoulsCollective]

You can hate the product, but with the amount he gives to charity you can't hate the man.

In fact, considering the amount of money he earns each year it's almost an achievement that he's lost the title...

[safan80]

You can hate the product, but with the amount he gives to charity you can't hate the man.

he only give to charity because because he wants to look good before he goes.

[SoulsCollective]

he only give to charity because because he wants to look good before he goes.
Got any proof of that statement, or were you just being cynical for the hell of it?

[Origin_Unknown]

Got any proof of that statement, or were you just being cynical for the hell of it?

thats quite possibly true.

[chunkylover77]

he only give to charity because because he wants to look good before he goes.

Who cares why he gives. The simple fact is that he does give and that makes him a better man than most.

[ColdWinter]

I read about this in the paper today. To paraphrase the new richest man in the world, whos surname appears to be Slim: "Giving to charity is stupid". This alone made Bill go up in my estimation by about 100%:up:

[safan80]

Got any proof of that statement, or were you just being cynical for the hell of it?

cmon all the stuff he's done: locking system builders into windows, breaking existing computer standards just to make an extra buck, and not to mention robbing the guy that made cpm. the list goes on and on.. I bet you he's done more harm than good.

[[XC] leviathan18]

cmon all the stuff he's done: locking system builders into windows, breaking existing computer standards just to make an extra buck, and not to mention robbing the guy that made cpm. the list goes on and on.. I bet you he's done more harm than good.

you say that and you still use windows...

[nemrod]

he only give to charity because because he wants to look good before he goes.
Who cares why he gives. The simple fact is that he does give and that makes him a better man than most.

better than most?
so good...
http://philanthropy.com/news/philanthropytoday/1753/gates-foundation-investments-often-dont-jibe-with-philanthropic-priorities

or on the same point in french
http://www.rougemidi.org/imprimer.php3?id_article=1377
google translation
"
Like the majority of philanthropic works, the foundation devotes each year at least 5% of its assets to donations in order to be given a tax exemption. In 2005, it thus distributed nearly 1,4 billion dollar. It subsidizes primarily medical actions, initiatives aiming at improving the state education in the United States and of the supplementary programmes social in the area of the Peaceful North-West. The 95% remainders are invested. "

"The Gates Foundation devoted 218 million dollars to a vaccination campaign against the polio and the measles carried out in the whole world, including in the delta of Niger. In parallel, it invested 423 million dollars in the capital of ENI, Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon Mobil, Rafter and Total - the companies responsible for the majority of the gas emissions which darken the sky of Ebocha, and this on levels much higher than those tolerated in the United States or in Europe."

[SoulsCollective]

cmon all the stuff he's done: locking system builders into windows, breaking existing computer standards just to make an extra buck, and not to mention robbing the guy that made cpm. the list goes on and on.. I bet you he's done more harm than good.
Your point being? Business is business. Being a smart businessman says nothing about his reasons for donating money to charity. Until you have some kind of justification, STFU and give the man the benefit of the doubt.
better than most?
so good...
http://philanthropy.com/news/philanthropytoday/1753/gates-foundation-investments-often-dont-jibe-with-philanthropic-priorities

or on the same point in french
http://www.rougemidi.org/imprimer.php3?id_article=1377
google translation
"
Like the majority of philanthropic works, the foundation devotes each year at least 5% of its assets to donations in order to be given a tax exemption. In 2005, it thus distributed nearly 1,4 billion dollar. It subsidizes primarily medical actions, initiatives aiming at improving the state education in the United States and of the supplementary programmes social in the area of the Peaceful North-West. The 95% remainders are invested. "

"The Gates Foundation devoted 218 million dollars to a vaccination campaign against the polio and the measles carried out in the whole world, including in the delta of Niger. In parallel, it invested 423 million dollars in the capital of ENI, Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon Mobil, Rafter and Total - the companies responsible for the majority of the gas emissions which darken the sky of Ebocha, and this on levels much higher than those tolerated in the United States or in Europe."
Soo...charities should give away all their money, now, and not have some plan for having money to give away next year? "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."; same principle. It's better to give smaller amounts often than large amounts sparingly.

[[XC] riptide]

Yes. Its a sustainable charity foundation. A bit like a pension fund.

[aintz]

ha why so many haters. bill gates is a superb business man.

[Brother Esau]

he only give to charity because because he wants to look good before he goes.


Funny you should say that! I remember sitting in a meeting as a invited guest with the Mormon Elders and them Talking about Tything and how they stated how nice Bill Gates was because he donates so much to Charity and my response to that was people of that kind of wealth only donate so much money to clear the consious for all of the bad they do the rest of the year! Needless to say they really did not care for that opinion!:rofl:


HE'S A CROOK AND A THIEF!!!

[Revv23]

According to some of the people on this forum bill would have been a better man if he would have spent his life as a bum in the gutter.

I would like to see anyone here make billions and then give it all back for no reason.

It is a fact that the richest people in the wolrd are among the most giving.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the richest man on the earth do more to improve the quality of life for people then any other group of people. Look at carnegie, JP Morgan, Rockefeller. Arguably the 3 richest men of all time, also the biggest contributors to public welfare to ever walk the earth.

Not only has bill gates given more financially to more good causes then many countries, he has created windows, a system used throughout the world to lower the costs of living and incease the quality of life for many people. Through the quality products made by MS and other cutting edge tech companies the world today has changed much for the better. Think of cellphones, PDA's, Computers, all these things that make people smarter, safer, stronger.

I highly doubt any of you give near the percentage of your income to good causes. In fact, I highly doubt any of you give at all. And you have the balls to say that you are a better man then this? How many causes do you support? How many people do you employ? How many people are fed because they work at the business you spent your entire life building?

I can't beleive anyone would even think to insult someone who has given them so much. Shame on you.


Edit - I removed Vanderbilt from my comparison, i forgot that he was pretty much a :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Still left behind millions, but only about 2% of his fortune went to charity, which is pretty low when compared to the other three names i mentioned.

[oublie]

Lets see some proof they are the most giving - is it that it is more when calculated as a % of both their worth and an estimation of what they go without by giving? I used to give to charity now charity begins at home after seeing some of the cons these so called charities use.

[jimmyz]

According to some of the people on this forum bill would have been a better man if he would have spent his life as a bum in the gutter.

I would like to see anyone here make billions and then give it all back for no reason.

It is a fact that the richest people in the wolrd are among the most giving.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the richest man on the earth do more to improve the quality of life for people then any other group of people. Look at carnegie, JP Morgan, Rockefeller, vanderbuilt. Arguably the 4 richest men of all time, also the biggest contributors to public welfare to ever walk the earth.

Not only has bill gates given more financially to more good causes then many countries, he has created windows, a system used throughout the world to lower the costs of living and incease the quality of life for many people. Through the quality products made by MS and other cutting edge tech companies the world today has changed much for the better. Think of cellphones, PDA's, Computers, all these things that make people smarter, safer, stronger.

I highly doubt any of you give near the percentage of your income to good causes. In fact, I highly doubt any of you give at all. And you have the balls to say that you are a better man then this? How many causes do you support? How many people do you employ? How many people are fed because they work at the business you spent your entire life building?

I can't beleive anyone would even think to insult someone who has given them so much. Shame on you.




i kills me when people try to belittle someone else's actions. i bet most of his detractors never even give to local charities. gates gives millions to people he will never even meet. and by his actions has probably saved more childrens lives than st. jude.

[bluep3ace]

cmon all the stuff he's done: locking system builders into windows, breaking existing computer standards just to make an extra buck, and not to mention robbing the guy that made cpm. the list goes on and on.. I bet you he's done more harm than good.

he's a businessman, and that is how they work. sorry.

[Revv23]

Lets see some proof they are the most giving - is it that it is more when calculated as a % of both their worth and an estimation of what they go without by giving? I used to give to charity now charity begins at home after seeing some of the cons these so called charities use.


It isn't what you are giving up - these men obviously lived comfortably with or without the majority of thier money. search for any of thier names on google and you will find tons of information on all of the philanthropy work they have done.

Universities, hospitals, schools, churches, you name it, these guys have given it. Yet still people like you, as jimmyz said, belittle thier actions. Perhaps they still have lived comfortably but that doesn't mean they didn't give much more to the public then you and i will ever be capable of doing.

On to your "most charities being scams" point. I complely agree with you. Giving for the sake of giving can often times lead your money into the hands of crooks. Often your money will be better spent at home. But just as guys like bill gates dont usually invest in bad companies they don't usually invest in bad charities either. It is important to be selective and careful with what you give, how much, and where - it is most important that you ensure that your money is actually going to something you want to support and not into some looter's pocket.

I'm not about to research for you, but here is some more on carnegie, who is regarded by many as the greatest philanthropist of all time.


The only thing we will say is that by the time he passed away in 1919, Carnegie had given away over $350 million. (4.3billion by today's standards) The rest, we will leave to him: "My heart is in the work... the duty of the man of wealth... is to set an example of modest unostentatious living, shunning display; to provide moderately for the legitimate wants of those dependent upon him; and, after doing so, to consider all surplus revenues which come to him simply as trust funds which he is strictly bound as a matter of duty to administer in the manner which, in his judgment, is best calculated to produce the most beneficial results for the community."

[nemrod]

Soo...charities should give away all their money, now, and not have some plan for having money to give away next year?

Obviously not! But making this money with compagnies which pollute, use child work... is not exactly what we could expect from philantropic foundation...
Ok this is probably higher profit$$$... But don't ask me to applaud...

[freeloader]

I don't care much for Bill Gates as a businessman, but you have to give the guy props for donating to charity. :D

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

HE'S A CROOK AND A THIEF!!!

Man you're paranoid. Quit victimizing so much.

Ryan

[EvlUndrWareNome]

i think gates is a good guy.

he donated millions to setup and build a network of public libraries around atlanta and had nice computers put in along with alot of new books and content. that helped me get into computers by checking out books and researching things in one of those libraries across from my school.

pretty nice thing to do when you love clear across the country. any man that gives multi millions away a year to charity is ok in my book.

[nn_step]

Bill Gates has never been the richest man on Earth.

[Revv23]

^good point.

Black gold.

[saaya]

omg a mexican is now the worlds richest man! :o
the world is coming to an end :eek:

jk :lol:

[Metroid]

omg a mexican is now the worlds richest man! :o
the world is coming to an end :eek:

jk :lol:

The next richest man will come from Brazil, China or India because their businesses are getting higher than anyone expected. The Mexican man have a lot of telecommunication companies over South America and also he invests a lot of his money in his own country. Bill Gates stopped a long time ago to enrich himself. The only thing he is thinking right now is to use wisely the opportunity god gave him to help the next.

He (Bill Gates) made a lot of mistakes but I feel good that he is helping who really needs his help.

[Ubermann]

Some people seems to think that creating an OS that can do pretty much anything is an easy task.

To me Bill gates is a good man even when i hated him just for being rich.

[Brettbeck]

On the subject of people as rich as Bill, what I find stupid is what I heard on the radio the other day. Some Indian guy (IIRC) has just spend $150 million on an Airbus A380 FOR HIMSELF to travel around in. What a waste, seriously...

[NapalmV5]

big deal! if slim would donate as much as bill...

[[XC] gomeler]

I've only read bad things about the newest head of wealth. Seems like the guy is cut throat and downright harsh and I doubt we'll see the generosity that Gates has given out from "Slim".

[elec999]

Having 1 mil would make me happy. Right now even $1000 to spend on hardware would make me really happy.
Thanks

[shimmishim]

Are you guys jealous of Bill or something?

We will never know his motive for giving but I don't think it's right to belittle him by saying he gives to clear his conscience....

And to reiterate someone elses point... if you had billions, would you give billions away?

[Spawne32]

Who cares why he gives. The simple fact is that he does give and that makes him a better man than most.

So your saying for instance, if a person endorses genocide in say.. an african country, but yet gives to charitys here in the US, that makes them a better person then most people? I dont know but it seems like you have your morals mixed up. Giving to charity doesnt make a person a better man just like that.

[dogsx2]

So your saying for instance, if a person endorses genocide in say.. an african country, but yet gives to charitys here in the US, that makes them a better person then most people? I dont know but it seems like you have your morals mixed up. Giving to charity doesnt make a person a better man just like that.

:confused: I must have not read the paper the day Gates endorsed genocide. Link please.

[safan80]

Are you guys jealous of Bill or something?

We will never know his motive for giving but I don't think it's right to belittle him by saying he gives to clear his conscience....

And to reiterate someone elses point... if you had billions, would you give billions away?

Just ask yourself this: What would a good person do? A good person wouldn't just give his money away to make people like him he would help his follow man. He wouldn't give them money directly he would would give them things they need. if bill wanted to actually do some good he could fully fund relief for Dafur, he could turn the $100 laptop into a $0 laptop. Instead he does what every other rich person does that wants to clear his conscience: he sets up a charity his his own name and gives money away, so people will blindly say good things about him not knowing what a monster he really is.

[RADCOM]

Who cares why he gives. The simple fact is that he does give and that makes him a better man than most.

just wish he'd give some to me lol

[[XC] riptide]

Instead he does what every other rich person does that wants to clear his conscience: he sets up a charity his his own name and gives money away, so people will blindly say good things about him not knowing what a monster he really is.
Monster...??? Just look at him... awwwwww.... butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.... :)

[safan80]

lol

[dogsx2]

Just ask yourself this: What would a good person do? A good person wouldn't just give his money away to make people like him he would help his follow man. He wouldn't give them money directly he would would give them things they need. if bill wanted to actually do some good he could fully fund relief for Dafur, he could turn the $100 laptop into a $0 laptop. Instead he does what every other rich person does that wants to clear his conscience: he sets up a charity his his own name and gives money away, so people will blindly say good things about him not knowing what a monster he really is.



What's the old saying: Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes.

I neither like nor dislike Bill Gates. It is funny how many here can judge his motives. It is very easy to say that " if I was in his position, I would do this or that."

The real question is what percent of the money you now have do you give away to help change the world. If is it small, then why do you think you would give more if you had much money?

[safan80]

What's the old saying: Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes.



:poke: I guess you can say you've used windows only all your life. If you try a different OS you can see all the damage he's done.

[dogsx2]

Not sure what this:

I guess you can say you've used windows only all your life. If you try a different OS you can see all the damage he's done

has to do with this:

Just ask yourself this: What would a good person do? A good person wouldn't just give his money away to make people like him he would help his follow man. He wouldn't give them money directly he would would give them things they need. if bill wanted to actually do some good he could fully fund relief for Dafur, he could turn the $100 laptop into a $0 laptop. Instead he does what every other rich person does that wants to clear his conscience: he sets up a charity his his own name and gives money away, so people will blindly say good things about him not knowing what a monster he really is.

[shimmishim]

Just ask yourself this: What would a good person do? A good person wouldn't just give his money away to make people like him he would help his follow man. He wouldn't give them money directly he would would give them things they need. if bill wanted to actually do some good he could fully fund relief for Dafur, he could turn the $100 laptop into a $0 laptop. Instead he does what every other rich person does that wants to clear his conscience: he sets up a charity his his own name and gives money away, so people will blindly say good things about him not knowing what a monster he really is.

Technically it's a matter of how you define good and what your standard for "good" is.

Also, do you give money away for sake of giving money away? Have you given money to the Dafur cause? Have you helped give money towards a $100 laptop?

And where's your proof that he's this monster that you keep saying that he is?

[MrDeeds]

cmon all the stuff he's done: locking system builders into windows, breaking existing computer standards just to make an extra buck, and not to mention robbing the guy that made cpm. the list goes on and on.. I bet you he's done more harm than good.

Be honest. He touched somewhere inappropriate didnt he?
You need to work through these issues rather than letting your anger about not saying no overcome you.:rofl:




This forum is going crazy. From bill gates being a monster to someone posting the other day that intel would kill babies for profit.

Its like you guys get off at making demons out of these software and hardware companies. Its just wierd man. I dont ever hear you guys say ralph lauren is a monster and general mills is killing babies. Just because we have a personal relationship with these companies doesnt mean the people that run them or even the companies themselves care what we think about them.

Bill gates did nothing to you dude and im damn sure he isnt anywhere close to a perfect person but damn give the guy a break.

[nn_step]

Be honest. He touched somewhere inappropriate didnt he?
You need to work through these issues rather than letting your anger about not saying no overcome you.:rofl:




This forum is going crazy. From bill gates being a monster to someone posting the other day that intel would kill babies for profit.

Its like you guys get off at making demons out of these software and hardware companies. Its just wierd man. I dont ever hear you guys say ralph lauren is a monster and general mills is killing babies. Just because we have a personal relationship with these companies doesnt mean the people that run them or even the companies themselves care what we think about them.

Bill gates did nothing to you dude and im damn sure he isnt anywhere close to a perfect person but damn give the guy a break.
As someone who actually meet Bill Gates, I can say he isn't an Evil person. Rather a man who has a bad streak of pride. Now Steve Ballmer on the other hand would kill, rape, and steal for money. I've even heard him say "I'm going to :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again." A word to the wise, avoid Pissing off Ballmer at all costs.

[CedricFP]

he only give to charity because because he wants to look good before he goes.
Do intentions matter as long as charities are getting money?

[shimmishim]

Do intentions matter as long as charities are getting money?

according to him... yes it does. if he's not giving to Darfur or helping with the $100 laptop project, then he's not being a "good" person.

again I ask him (safan80).. have you given money to the Darfur cause?

....

[Sanborn]

Lol to the Bill Gates haters...you people are pathetic.

[SparkyJJO]

I don't see how windows is "damage." You know why it is the most popular OS? Not because gates forced it on anybody. But because people preferred it. You think he went around threatening mayhem if other OS makes didn't quit or something? And the reason why system builders use it is because everyone uses Windows. And because almost everyone uses windows, the software is written for it.

When windows was released there were other things out there, but windows was one of the most user-friendly OSes for the PC. People liked that, the others went by the wayside. Frankly I'm glad that there is pretty much a standard OS, otherwise I wouldn't just be having to keep my hardware talking to the software but also the OS itself.

If mac OS had become the prevalent OS instead of windows, I'm certain that everyone would be whining about the creator of Mac OS as well :rolleyes: Or any other OS for that matter.

[Kaze06]

Quit :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing. All of you. I'd bet nearly everyone that bashes on him is just doing so because they're jealous that, most likely, they'll never see half the success he has. He's contributed to society, done his part, and succeeded while doing so. Give him credit, for God's sake.

[marius7]

poor bill :(

[Spawne32]

Lol to the Bill Gates haters...you people are pathetic.

I dont hate bill gates :lol: but donating to charity doesnt make him any better then any of us here.

[iddqd]

Be honest. He touched somewhere inappropriate didnt he?
You need to work through these issues rather than letting your anger about not saying no overcome you.:rofl:




This forum is going crazy. From bill gates being a monster to someone posting the other day that intel would kill babies for profit.

Its like you guys get off at making demons out of these software and hardware companies. Its just wierd man. I dont ever hear you guys say ralph lauren is a monster and general mills is killing babies. Just because we have a personal relationship with these companies doesnt mean the people that run them or even the companies themselves care what we think about them.

Bill gates did nothing to you dude and im damn sure he isnt anywhere close to a perfect person but damn give the guy a break.

You can kill babies AND generate profit now?! Why didn't anyone tell me? Like a fool, I've been killing them for fun all these years :brick:...

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

You can kill babies AND generate profit now?! Why didn't anyone tell me? Like a fool, I've been killing them for fun all these years :brick:...

Yeah, it's called an abortion clinic.

Ryan

[phelan1777]

According to some of the people on this forum bill would have been a better man if he would have spent his life as a bum in the gutter.

I would like to see anyone here make billions and then give it all back for no reason.

It is a fact that the richest people in the wolrd are among the most giving.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the richest man on the earth do more to improve the quality of life for people then any other group of people. Look at carnegie, JP Morgan, Rockefeller. Arguably the 3 richest men of all time, also the biggest contributors to public welfare to ever walk the earth.

Not only has bill gates given more financially to more good causes then many countries, he has created windows, a system used throughout the world to lower the costs of living and incease the quality of life for many people. Through the quality products made by MS and other cutting edge tech companies the world today has changed much for the better. Think of cellphones, PDA's, Computers, all these things that make people smarter, safer, stronger.

I highly doubt any of you give near the percentage of your income to good causes. In fact, I highly doubt any of you give at all. And you have the balls to say that you are a better man then this? How many causes do you support? How many people do you employ? How many people are fed because they work at the business you spent your entire life building?

I can't beleive anyone would even think to insult someone who has given them so much. Shame on you.


Edit - I removed Vanderbilt from my comparison, i forgot that he was pretty much a :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Still left behind millions, but only about 2% of his fortune went to charity, which is pretty low when compared to the other three names i mentioned.

The way the system is, its damn near impossible for the avg working Joe to donate money, because the cost of living is absurd.

YOu can't donate money you don't have, and the only real way to "get ahead" is to lie, cheat and steal, (and not get caught). I am not saying this is sound advice..............or that one should do that.

But if you look back @ those that have made money, somewhere along the line you will find something............no matter how big or small that was "illegal, immoral, or unethical" that someone did/said etc to acquire wealth.

Either because laws/rules were not implemented @ the time, or no one ever took notice of the HOW someone got there, more so as most focus on the WHAT.

Then again, the tables could be turned in that life is "Only the strong survive" and though yes in todays society of morals, ethics, and "civility" you would think that we humans have evolved to do things in a "humane" way, but that is not the case. Look at the every day "crimes" committed by the range of classes of people................white collar crime anyone? That is basically what stealing software is..........(Gates anyone?)

Any who............there are those that have, and those that have not.

What one does with his money............for what ever reason.......we are not in a position to judge...............though we can pray the the betterment of future for mankind be in the hearts of those with the ability to make/do what they can with what they have.

Really what makes a man "rich" is the value of character, and to be pure of heart so few are, when all is said and done, each has to live with his own conscience and the toll will be paid @ the end of the day.

[phelan1777]

As someone who actually meet Bill Gates, I can say he isn't an Evil person. Rather a man who has a bad streak of pride. Now Steve Ballmer on the other hand would kill, rape, and steal for money. I've even heard him say "I'm going to :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again." A word to the wise, avoid Pissing off Ballmer at all costs.

OMFG............I just watched this Steve Ballmer Windows 1.0 sales pitch.......... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk&NR=1)

I jsut about fell out of my chair laughing my a$$ off...............................:rofl:

[vitaminc]

Yeah, it's called an abortion clinic.

Ryan

or you could masterbate. works pretty much the same way.

[Revv23]

The way the system is, its damn near impossible for the avg working Joe to donate money, because the cost of living is absurd.

YOu can't donate money you don't have, and the only real way to "get ahead" is to lie, cheat and steal, (and not get caught). I am not saying this is sound advice..............or that one should do that.

But if you look back @ those that have made money, somewhere along the line you will find something............no matter how big or small that was "illegal, immoral, or unethical" that someone did/said etc to acquire wealth.

Either because laws/rules were not implemented @ the time, or no one ever took notice of the HOW someone got there, more so as most focus on the WHAT.

Then again, the tables could be turned in that life is "Only the strong survive" and though yes in todays society of morals, ethics, and "civility" you would think that we humans have evolved to do things in a "humane" way, but that is not the case. Look at the every day "crimes" committed by the range of classes of people................white collar crime anyone? That is basically what stealing software is..........(Gates anyone?)

Any who............there are those that have, and those that have not.

What one does with his money............for what ever reason.......we are not in a position to judge...............though we can pray the the betterment of future for mankind be in the hearts of those with the ability to make/do what they can with what they have.

Really what makes a man "rich" is the value of character, and to be pure of heart so few are, when all is said and done, each has to live with his own conscience and the toll will be paid @ the end of the day.

I'm 20, i made about 4000 last year working and going to school, about $300 of that went to charitable causes, i don't lie, cheat, or steal to get my money, and i live quite comfortably. Through hard work and smart work I will make alot more in my life and i will never stop giving.

just because you are bitter about the world we live in doesn't mean it's a bitter place.

By your logic we should just all give up. Can you tell me the world would be a better place without bill gates?

And I hear capitalists are the ruthless people of society. These people that hate on the wealthy sound like a bunch of hypocrytes to me. They say they are rich because they are ruthless, but then you turn around and the people :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing aren't doing anything at all for the world. Who is more ruthless?

[phelan1777]

I'm 20, i made about 4000 last year working and going to school, about $300 of that went to charitable causes, i don't lie, cheat, or steal to get my money, and i live quite comfortably. Through hard work and smart work I will make alot more in my life and i will never stop giving.

just because you are bitter about the world we live in doesn't mean it's a bitter place.

By your logic we should just all give up. Can you tell me the world would be a better place without bill gates?

And I hear capitalists are the ruthless people of society. These people that hate on the wealthy sound like a bunch of hypocrytes to me. They say they are rich because they are ruthless, but then you turn around and the people :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing aren't doing anything at all for the world. Who is more ruthless?

If you made only 4K last year, then you are not supporting yourself, unless you either living someone, rent free, have money coming in from another source, or still @ home. You can not live "comfortably" in this country by yourself making less then 20K a year. Hell that is JUST poverty line, and even then life is not CHEAP.

My point is that it is EXPENSIVE to live a remotely decent life and with the ease one can access credit cards and other means of spending money its very easy to fall into a trap where you have no money, or end up owing. So that its not really an option for many to donate money, though donating time and effort is another story, and should Gates and or the others that have all this money to throw around, actually get in and get their hands dirty that is a whole other ball game. One can donate every penny, though that does not constitute a likable character.

300$ for one donation does not constitute a greater character.

I am not saying you lie/cheat or steal but way to assume. I stated that those who have.
and I quote myself yet again............YOu can't donate money you don't have, and the only real way to "get ahead" is to lie, cheat and steal, (and not get caught). I am not saying this is sound advice..............or that one should do that.
I am NOT condoning this! In order to circumnavigate taxes, fees, and other "cost" that seem to always take a little or a little there, when all is said and done, one is lucky to have HALF of what one originally earned................


gates is no hero, just a another person with to much money.

I am not bitter so way to assume, I am stating observations based on experience through those I know that have money, or in relation to others who do/n't have money.

[guess2098]

a lot of ppl hate him is because MS Windows is not free and bugs......so they downloads SN crack and keep using Windows.....

i never see black gold owners give away any money ...... even we complain about gas so expensive..... maybe because we don't know their name.....
remember, 1 to 2 months gas spend almost greater than 1 copy of MS Windows

[nn_step]

OMFG............I just watched this Steve Ballmer Windows 1.0 sales pitch.......... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk&NR=1)

I jsut about fell out of my chair laughing my a$$ off...............................:rofl:

to that I say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3XdOl5YtLg


a lot of ppl hate him is because MS Windows is not free and bugs......so they downloads SN crack and keep using Windows.....

i never see black gold owners give away any money ...... even we complain about gas so expensive..... maybe because we don't know their name.....
remember, 1 to 2 months gas spend almost greater than 1 copy of MS Windows


That is because people tend not to attack people that can attack back... (oil companies can drive the price through the roof, $120 a gal )

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

or you could masterbate. works pretty much the same way.

Yeah, cause sperm grows into a person. :clap:

Typical.

Ryan

[nn_step]

Yeah, cause sperm grows into a person. :clap:

Typical.

Ryan

Why the :banana::banana::banana::banana: are you talking about something soo off topic, that it is like WTF DUDE?

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

read the rest of the thread. I made a joke about someone's post, and then vitamingenius got his panties in a bunch.

Ryan

[iddqd]

Why the :banana::banana::banana::banana: are you talking about something soo off topic, that it is like WTF DUDE?

Yeah, it's almost as off topic as the average nn_step post!

BURN! :flame:

[Verisimilitude]

This thread made my sig happy.

[shimmishim]

This thread made my sig happy.

lol

[phelan1777]

Welcome to XS where crazy is the norm, and sanity is xtremely rare.

[Skratch]

I didn't read all the posts but I wanted to add in to the debate.I have seen a hour or so special on tv with Bill gates and Bill clinton going into so many small villages in south africa helping millions of people with AIDS and setting up hospitals.

Bill has spent many months down there helping people and trying to find a cure.

He was huging and playing with children that have full blown HIV/AIDS

how in gods name can you people call him a bad person.I will bet my computer that none of you would go into a shelter with 1000 people dieing of aids and hang out there for a while spending millions upon millions on them.

He has stepped down from making money and is now trying to help the world with his wealth.If he was still in the game he would of been 10 billian richer by now.

He also just donated 500 million on this new oil drug that will help stop spreading the virus

[Quest_7F]

With the new generation of the wealthy, we can expect to see Slim in a music video any day now.

[Shpoon]

according to him... yes it does. if he's not giving to Darfur or helping with the $100 laptop project, then he's not being a "good" person.

again I ask him (safan80).. have you given money to the Darfur cause?

....

And if he did help Darfur and the laptops, you'd whine and point at another endless place where money could be going.

The foundation's grants have provided funds for college scholarships for under-represented minorities, AIDS prevention, diseases prevalent in third world countries, and other causes. In 2000, the Gates Foundation endowed the University of Cambridge with $210 million for the Gates Cambridge Scholarships. The Foundation has also pledged over $7 billion to its various causes, including $1 billion to the United Negro College Fund. According to a 2004 Forbes magazine article, Gates gave away over $29 billion to charities from 2000 onwards. These donations are usually cited as sparking a substantial change in attitudes towards philanthropy among the very rich, with philanthropy becoming the norm.

Note the "29 billion to charities". Oh crap, he hasn't donated to Darfur, he's obviously not trying to help people.
And:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Who cares if he's not focusing on Darfur or the laptops? That's like saying a neurologist is a terrible doctor because he/she isn't trying to save people with heart conditions...they focus on their task at hand, that they are concentrating on. He picked his things he wants to try to fix, who cares if they're not your top ones?

How can anyone honestly say this man is "evil"?

[Spawne32]

I aint sayin bill gates is a tyrant, all im sayin is, 29 billion dollars in charity does not make him a patron saint and you people should stop revering him as a god because of it.

[GMX]

So your saying for instance, if a person endorses genocide in say.. an african country, but yet gives to charitys here in the US, that makes them a better person then most people? I dont know but it seems like you have your morals mixed up. Giving to charity doesnt make a person a better man just like that.

way to go to blow things out of proportion:rofl:

[[XC] leviathan18]

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

if all the money from bill and the other richest man that donated to him go all this causes they can make something happen, really how you can bash a guy that is trying to help millions with his money what are trying to do the other richest men in the world?

if everyone in the world donates 1$ you have 6b $ now imagine if everyone gives 10$ you can disapear poverty in the world pretty fast but no... people is selfish an here you have someone that gave all his money for charity and we have people here saying he is evil....

but still they use his OS lol

[bartsimsonii]

leviathan18;2292608']http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

if all the money from bill and the other richest man that donated to him go all this causes they can make something happen, really how you can bash a guy that is trying to help millions with his money what are trying to do the other richest men in the world?

if everyone in the world donates 1$ you have 6b $ now imagine if everyone gives 10$ you can disapear poverty in the world pretty fast but no... people is selfish an here you have someone that gave all his money for charity and we have people here saying he is evil....

but still they use his OS lol

Thats easy to say for you and me but what about the other half of the world where a dollar actually is worth something?

That 6B suddenly dwindles down pretty quick.

[desolator]

yes, do you know how many of those 6B survive on $2 or less a day?

[[XC] riptide]

Well. Ever since a child I always admired Bill Gates as a supreme Technocrat. Lets face it... he is the American Dream in perfection. Astute business man. Read the market well, had a vision of the future, and it came true.

His charitable is a very virtuous human trait on top of all the above.