ASUS Announces Onboard 2GB DDR3，P5K3 Premium/WiFi-AP

[sxs112]

P5K3 Premium/WiFi-AP Onboard memory, 2GB, DDR3 1333*MHz

* The chipset officially supports the memory frequency up to DDR3 1066MHz. Due to the tuning by ASUS exclusive technology, this motherboard natively supports up to DDR3 1333. It is recommended that you install a CPU with 1066MHz FSB or above to guarantee DDR3 memory overclocking to above 1600.

[lookmomnobrains]

Finely a new board from asus.. even do its probably just the same as the normal P5K Premium or P5K Deluxe whit tweaked cpu vrm but then whit some ddr3 install already witch could be good for a price point of view and a performens if the do a lot of tweaking to optimice the mem for the board.. only a mem upgrade would be some harder do I think

Would be fun to see do if this board is any faster then a normal p5k premium whit the same speed ram installed, probably not do or not that much.

[HamidFULL]

whats happend around Memory Area!!?

[safan80]

I wonder how cool the whole thing is esp. that top heatsink.

[Solarfall]

saw that earlier in one of those hexus tv videos. quite interesting idea.

[p8ntslinger676]

lol we're getting to the point where we are starting to need more than 2gigs of ram and i dont like that it is onboard, if they would have had 2 dimms availible then it would be a different story, but as it is right now it is a utter waste of money, and im pretty sure this was posted a while ago

[mukmaster]

That would be one heck of a RMA

[djgandy]

Cool...

Lets put the L2 cache back on the mobo while we're at it

[TEDY]

omg this mobo will be surely 300$+.

[lookmomnobrains]

omg this mobo will be surely 300$+.

more like $500+ but then agene.. it has already got 2gb of ddr3 witch alone would set you back 400 dollar at the moment ;)

[Cordovader]

The next thing will be an integrated cpu and gpu with more copper and heatpipes linked and we will have the full rollercoaster system...

[Serra]

Depending on the price & whether you can pry out the RAM if you need to (even at the expense of the board) this may make a decent stepping platform for people looking to upgrade but who don't quite have the money to pay for the mobo + memory separately right away.

[XSAlliN]

What kind of memory they use - cause if they put the cheap stuff and charge for the High End models...you know the rest. :D

[whoodiestyle]

The next thing will be an integrated cpu and gpu with more copper and heatpipes linked and we will have the full rollercoaster system...



:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:


yeah these heatpipes are going way overboard like the asus striker its insane

[Phlash]

The next thing will be an integrated cpu and gpu with more copper and heatpipes linked and we will have the full rollercoaster system...

Roller Coaster Tycoon: Mobo Edition

[lookmomnobrains]

Roller Coaster Tycoon: Mobo Edition

thats noting new thare is already a Roller Coaster Tycoon: Mobo Edition (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1212&maincat_no=1#)out thare it has gotten a different name do ;)

[neist]

That would be one heck of a RMA

Thats my first thought.

How often have I had a stick of ram go bad? A lot more often than an entire board..

[[XC] gomeler]

uhhh.. interesting? I'm positive that that board will bomb big unless DDR3 somehow is incredibly resilient to over-voltage and overclocking. Dumb move for Asus, would be good for OEMs though.

[CBONE]

2GB of DDR3-1333 alone is going for approx. ½ a virgin's soul right now!

Add in:

ASUS Premium board pricing
Non-upgradeable overclock guaranteed DDR3


This board is going to be STEEP!

[bluep3ace]

The next thing will be an integrated cpu and gpu with more copper and heatpipes linked and we will have the full rollercoaster system...

thats noting new thare is already a Roller Coaster Tycoon: Mobo Edition (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1212&maincat_no=1#)out thare it has gotten a different name do ;)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lowfat]

more like $500+ but then agene.. it has already got 2gb of ddr3 witch alone would set you back 400 dollar at the moment ;)

I'd say more like $700+ remmeber this is DDR3 not DDR2.

[jspace]

2GB of DDR3-1333 alone is going for approx. ½ a virgin's soul right now!

Add in:

ASUS Premium board pricing
Non-upgradeable overclock guaranteed DDR3


This board is going to be STEEP!
Well, I geuss I could part with half a virgin's soul. It may make more sense in the long run to keep that soul and use it in the patented Miles P. soul power plant, after it's been adapted to work with something other than children's souls. (don't ask:p:)
thats noting new thare is already a Roller Coaster Tycoon: Mobo Edition out thare it has gotten a different name do ;)
I've always wanted to play that one!

[FischOderAal]

What kind of memory they use - cause if they put the cheap stuff and charge for the High End models...you know the rest. :D

if I remember correctly the ram should be made by Qimonda

[bro20000]

One bad thing i see is if the memory dies does that mean u have to send the whole m/b back!

[alpha0ne]

Yet more Anus trash bling bling rubbish :rolleyes:

[GrimReaper]

Yet Another P.O.S board from Asus for the mighty rich kids who have their dads to pay for all their upgrades :clap:

[lookmomnobrains]

I think the idea in general isn’t that bad, if the can really cut out the middle man and sell it at a nice price so it makes it cheaper to do a system update. I do think the idea of downing a high end board whit onboard ram isn’t that great it makes it harder to upgrade to other ram or to more ram, and unless the can sell the high end mb whit high end ram at a cheap price or it gives a real performers boost..

[dogsx2]

Yet Another P.O.S board from Asus for the mighty rich kids who have their dads to pay for all their upgrades :clap:

What about the guys who work and support themselves? Do they not have the right to blow their money in anyway that seems fitting?:confused:

Besides, if you were a "mighty rich kids" you would do the same thing.:p:

[StealthyFish]

Yet Another P.O.S board from Asus for the mighty rich kids who have their dads to pay for all their upgrades :clap:

who cares? it's an Assus quality motherboard. let them blow their money wherever they want :)

[DamienKC]

imagine how much it'd suck to try to sell it after a while...you'd lose out on like $400+ haha. guess thats how FX-57 guys feel? ;)

[GazC]

That would be a great OEM board for system builders, but it will be a can of worms for enthusiasts.

I don't know what the DDR3 IC of choice is yet, but when the community finds its champion DDR3 chip, it will either be the making or breaking of this mobos chances on the market dependant on whether Asus have picked the ram of choice.

[mion]

Look at heatpipe maze

[afireinside]

who cares? it's an Assus quality motherboard. let them blow their money wherever they want :)

ASUS quality? How ironic.

[ripken204]

so is there just normal ram slots under the ram heatsink? i guess we won't really know until someone takes that mobo apart.. if there are normal ram slots, then ppl could just take the heatsink off and add more ram..

[erwinz]

hehee asus really knows how to market.. :)

[elec999]

How much is this board.
Thanks

[Riddlinkidstone]

In my opinion, this would be more suited to an OEM with onboard video.

Only if the memory is upgradable would I consider this board.

[Katzenschleuder]

This design makes a lot of sense for the high performance market.

The modular system memory design of course results into a much worse signal-/noise ratio.
Memory access latencies must be increased by a big margin because of the module bank layout and the electric clamping contacts.

Altough it would of course be preferable that a 4 GByte product would be offered too, everyone should be aware that things like PC games won't demand more than 2 GByte within the next 2 years because of the limit of user-level address space with 32-Bit OS's.
Game makers won't set a 64-Bit OS as a requirement for at least two years because the clear majority of PCs will keep on running 32-Bit OS's for compatibility reasons.

This 2-Gbyte barrier won't be a big issue for game developers for this time, since much less memory is really required if you use some real memory resource management (as the current console platforms with 256 MByte demonstrate).


So these 2 GByte are really no issue for most users here, since every current mainboard will be outdated in two years anyway.


Great retro-innovative job ASUS!
Let us just hope that they used some quality memory! :)

[aussie-revhead]

Its good that they have started cooling the ram areas but to make the ram itself integrated doesnt suit the enthusiast market at all. When they have cooling on regular ram slots that will be a better step forward, but then again active cooling this area would be superior anyway.

:up:

[Katzenschleuder]

Its good that they have started cooling the ram areas but to make the ram itself integrated doesnt suit the enthusiast market at all. When they have cooling on regular ram slots that will be a better step forward, but then again active cooling this area would be superior anyway.

:up:Nope.
The cooling is in fact the part that is close to useless, or at least overkill.

The high technical potential for significantly reduced latencies is what makes it a truly interesting product for the high performance market.

[Gig4moller]

thats noting new thare is already a Roller Coaster Tycoon: Mobo Edition (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1212&maincat_no=1#)out thare it has gotten a different name do ;)

I lol'd

[KingThot]

Bleh, soldered on RAM that's not expandable makes this board complete garbage for any true enthusiast builder. The people this board will sell to is people who love Thermaltake blingin' cases and cold cathode lights more than performance and expandability. OEMs might hop on it too I suppose. Plus all signs indicate that 4GB will soon become the enthusiast standard and this board obviously locks you out of that upgrade option.

[saaya]

onboard ram only makes sense for cheapo pcs... if asus would have asked ANY enthusiast they would have realized that enthusiasts change their memory like other people their underpants ^^

[R101]

On Asus' site they claim it's something revolutionary and gives way quicker memory access. Might be just marketing BS, but who knows..

[Kasparz]

I would call this totally useless. Who the hell would buy enthusiast motherboard with no possibility to upgrade ram, after all 2GB is too small for heavy gaming, and this motherboard is made for gaming.

[Katzenschleuder]

onboard ram only makes sense for cheapo pcs... if asus would have asked ANY enthusiast they would have realized that enthusiasts change their memory like other people their underpants ^^This design makes it possible to achieve memory latencies, which can't be achieved with a modular design.
Thats the whole point of it, and I believe this has a high potential.

[apexracing]

I think this is another expensive gimmick from ASUS. What about when it comes time to upgrade? You're probably in a right pickle by then.

I can only see this integrated RAM stuff as good for OEMs. Your average bedroom overclocker has basically no real advantage with it.

[Katzenschleuder]

I would call this totally useless. Who the hell would buy enthusiast motherboard with no possibility to upgrade ram, after all 2GB is too small for heavy gaming, and this motherboard is made for gaming.As I already described, there won't be PC games which require more than 2 GByte for the next 2 years because there are simply too many PCs with 32-Bit operating systems that every developer has to support.

A 32-Bit OS means that no more than 2 GByte of RAM can be addressed in a practical manner by a user-space process.
It has been clearly projected, that the vast majority of PCs won't switch to a 64-Bit OS within the next 3-4 years.
So it would be financially disastrous for game developers to base their game engine design on memory requirements above 2 GByte.

So I can guarentee to you that you won't have a problem running any games with 2 GByte of RAM with a PC you buy now, before this whole system get's completely outdated anyway.

[Katzenschleuder]

I think this is another expensive gimmick from ASUS. What about when it comes time to upgrade? You're probably in a right pickle by then.

I can only see this integrated RAM stuff as good for OEMs. Your average bedroom overclocker has basically no real advantage with it.DOH!
Seems like my posts here are heard as much as in intergalactic space.


This design makes it possible to achieve a memory performance that is impossible to achieve with replaceable RAM modules!
So why wouldn't this be a possible advantage for overclockers?!

[saaya]

This design makes it possible to achieve memory latencies, which can't be achieved with a modular design.
Thats the whole point of it, and I believe this has a high potential.

right, if thats true then why didnt jedec, aka intel amd and all dram and chipset mfgs decide to make ddr3 a modular design and instead went for a pass through design? :P

whatever they did onboard can be done off board as well.
the bug difference is you can upgrade and replace the memory which in my experience is a MUST because half of the time a pc has a hardware failure its the memory. enthusiasts push their mem to the max, always, and tend to kill it after some time. has been like this, is like this and always will be like this. having to replace the entire motherboard because the ram died is a nightmare!

As I already described, there won't be PC games which require more than 2 GByte for the next 2 years because there are simply too many PCs with 32-Bit operating systems that every developer has to support.
no, there are already games today that need more than 2gb:
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3034

[Katzenschleuder]

right, if thats true then why didnt jedec, aka intel amd and all dram and chipset mfgs decide to make ddr3 a modular design and instead went for a pass through design? :PBecause the modularity dogma is dictating this.

whatever they did onboard can be done off board as well.No, it is physically impossible to achieve equal or better performance with a modular design if the same memory chips are used.

the bug difference is you can upgrade and replace the memory which in my experience is a MUST because half of the time a pc has a hardware failure its the memory. enthusiasts push their mem to the max, always, and tend to kill it after some time. has been like this, is like this and always will be like this. having to replace the entire motherboard because the ram died is a nightmare! 0.0001% of all PC users are eager to risk their memory for some benchmark results.
If used in the right manner, memory is one of the most long-living components.

no, there are already games today that need more than 2gb:
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3034They demonstrate minimal differences when the game is clearly pushed to the border of it's design limits.
So what?

This article in fact shows the reason why there won't be games demanding more than 2 GByte system memory for a long time.

Do you honestly believe that a game developer wants to risk the vast majority of the target market instead of investing into a bit of memory management (which almost all current PC games lack).

[[XC] ruane]

Well - from the Pre-Order sites I have seen, it seems to be going for about £450-550 which is $900-$1100, although in the US it will probably go for cheaper anyway. It is a pointless board, 2GB is already becoming average, and high end systems are needing, and for that price, it is completely pointless that it will probably be completely un-upgradable. And the amount of time companies spent to solve the socket interferance problems, and they go and stick it straight to the board, that could have been done months and months ago anyway - DDR3 ICs have been around for ages anyway!

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[DFI pit bull]

ruane;2337707']Well - from the Pre-Order sites I have seen, it seems to be going for about £450-550 which is $900-$1100, although in the US it will probably go for cheaper anyway. It is a pointless board, 2GB is already becoming average, and high end systems are needing, and for that price, it is completely pointless that it will probably be completely un-upgradable. And the amount of time companies spent to solve the socket interferance problems, and they go and stick it straight to the board, that could have been done months and months ago anyway - DDR3 ICs have been around for ages anyway!

</rant>

Only a fool would buy this board I think.

[Eightballrj]

Only a fool would buy this board I think.

X2... Unless you just wanted to pay XTREME money for and XTREME lack of critical customization.

[saaya]

No, it is physically impossible to achieve equal or better performance with a modular design if the same memory chips are used.why?


http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=669
still think this tech has a high potential? :P
there is barely a difference to conventional memory and the slight boost could be achieved by tweaking the memory timings, which asus might very well have done.

0.0001% of all PC users are eager to risk their memory for some benchmark results.
If used in the right manner, memory is one of the most long-living components.and who are those 0.0001% of pc users that are eager to risk their memory fro some benchmark results? enthusiasts/ocers
and who is this mainboard aimed at? enthusiasts/ocers

nobody else but an enthusiast/ocer would spend 1300$ for that board anyways.

This article in fact shows the reason why there won't be games demanding more than 2 GByte system memory for a long time.did you even read the article? for a game to be able to use 2gb you need 4gb installed!

Do you honestly believe that a game developer wants to risk the vast majority of the target market instead of investing into a bit of memory management (which almost all current PC games lack).i highly doubt thats its just a "bit" of work to make effcient use of system memory and would you consider the bf series, cod series, cs:s, fear and stalker efficiently programmed games?

again, you will be able to play games with 2gb for the next 2 years, but not at max details. and i highly doubt that enthusiasts/ocers ,who this board is aimed at, will pay 1300$ for a board that only lets them play at medium or low settings to save system memory.