Shin Etsu X23-7762?

[felix88]

i just order 2 1 gram syringes of the stuff on a tip that it's easier to appy that G751, and it's comparable performance-wise.

anyone else use this stuff?

[eva2000]

where you order from ?

i just ordered 2 tubes of Shin Etsu G751 to compare i have AS3 and Nanotherm XTC Silver and soon PCM+/EXP

[felix88]

i got them from this guy here:
http://www.hardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=620354

he had to special order them directly from japan.

i wish i had some other stuff so i could do a mini-review. :(

[seversphere]

I thought X23-7762 was suppose to be better than G-751? Not just easier to apply and store but perform better.

[antipop]

Originally posted by felix88
i just order 2 1 gram syringes of the stuff on a tip that it's easier to appy that G751, and it's comparable performance-wise.

anyone else use this stuff? Tell me how they perform once you get them, i've asked the guy about shipping and i'm waiting his answer
Update i've bought 5 of them, they'd better be better than as3 :)
Anyway for the price it's a good bargain and my as2 was nearly done (i have it since my first athlon sys)

[felix88]

Originally posted by seversphere
I thought X23-7762 was suppose to be better than G-751? Not just easier to apply and store but perform better.

cool thats what i wanted to hear.

i knew i'd heard of a new Shin Etsu that was supposedly better than G751, but i couldn't remember what it was called. hopefully this is the stuff.

antipop, i'll post my results when i get the stuff, which should be before you do. ;)

[GBR]

<snip> I removed some text to make Hardass happy.




The engineers/ and sales staff at Shin Etsu didn't realize that there was no raw material for X23-7762 in the US...so the material came from Japan.

I got a real lesson in how global our economy is, when I realized that just by posting to our forums that thermal compound shipped from Japan to me [by way of Shin Etsu].

Then, I shipped Shin Etsu as far away as Australia, Malaysia, Israel, France, Denmark, Belgium, Scotland, England, Canada, and all over the US.

[Hardass]

Anymore buying and selling and this gets moved to classified section.

[Johnny Knoxvill]

Originally posted by seversphere
I thought X23-7762 was suppose to be better than G-751? Not just easier to apply and store but perform better.

no you're talking about X23-7798D:
http://www.meetthegeeks.org/ourreview/2002/shinetsu7798d/index.htm

X23-7762 i've never heard of and don't think anyone else has, maybe G751 is better than it

[antipop]

Maybe the guy did a typo? we should ask shin etsu about it :)

[GBR]

I spoke at length to the engineer at Shin Etsu and he thought that G751 and X23-7762 were the best compounds for overclocking.

[felix88]

heh, as long as it performs better than my AS2 that decided to explode and get all over my desk drawer, i'll be happy.

[GBR]

Now that orders are arriving, and some people are getting both kinds of thermal compound, here is Shin Etsu's marking system

Red cappped syringe contains X23-7762

Blue cappped syringe contains G751


Another way to tell is by consistency:

-X23-7762 is more like grease and,

-G751 is a bit more like putty.

[antipop]

Can you send me a notice once my order is sent
10x

[GBR]

Hey, Antipop!

It went out on Thursday!

[antipop]

Alright great!
I'm waiting that past before keeping on modding my board :)

[GBR]

>>If it ain't broke then don't fix it<<

If it an't broke then OC it some more!

[antipop]

Originally posted by GBR
>>If it ain't broke then don't fix it<<

If it an't broke then OC it some more! Yeah i know, it's just a stupid phrase i got in a linux program. I just quote it as it is.
There is also "if it ain't broke you're not trying hard enough"

[GBR]

I remember old mechanics giving me the advice of "If it ain't broke then don't fix it".

And it is good advice especially for normal maintenance....of cars, computers, electronics, and most things really.

For racing and overclocking its still good advice, but harder to follow. :-)

[kevdogg]

cough cough... nanotherm pcm+ cough cough cough... ;)

[GBR]

Originally posted by kevdogg
cough cough... nanotherm pcm+ cough cough cough... ;)

Before I did this Shin Etsu thing I thought about trying Nanotherm.

[felix88]

Originally posted by antipop
Yeah i know, it's just a stupid phrase i got in a linux program. I just quote it as it is.
There is also "if it ain't broke you're not trying hard enough"

my favorite is " if it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

i really don't remember who's got that in their sig, but it's very true. ;)

also, my stuff showed up today, but i bought a new CPU and case so i can't really compare it to my old results. :rolleyes:

i think i have A.D.D.

[rashio]

could i ask what is better,
g751? or X23-7762?

and where can i get this stuff from in the UK?

also i noob question but can i use this stuff on p4 or is it only for amd?

thanks

[Johnny Knoxvill]

Originally posted by rashio
could i ask what is better,
g751? or X23-7762?

and where can i get this stuff from in the UK?

also i noob question but can i use this stuff on p4 or is it only for amd?

thanks

www.chillblast.com although it's cheaper to get it from GBR who orders it from japan
you can use it for amd/intel processors or anything else you want like gpu

[rashio]

i checked chillblast but they just have g751 but i want the other 1, i have read the hardocp forum and i know what to do but i dont have a paypal account, is it easy to get 1? or is there some other way to do it?

thanks

[GBR]

YGPM

[rashio]

what does "YGPM" mean?

thanks :D

[antipop]

Originally posted by rashio
could i ask what is better,
g751? or X23-7762?

and where can i get this stuff from in the UK?

also i noob question but can i use this stuff on p4 or is it only for amd?

thanks X23-7762 (damn what a name) is said to be better than g-751. It's made for anything that heats up and needs cooling. I'll put some of it everywhere i can :)
Paypal is very easy to set up

ps ygpm means you got PM
pps Welcome to xtreme

[Johnny Knoxvill]

Originally posted by rashio
i checked chillblast but they just have g751 but i want the other 1, i have read the hardocp forum and i know what to do but i dont have a paypal account, is it easy to get 1? or is there some other way to do it?

thanks

i'll say it again the X23-7798D is said to be better than the G751, the X23-7762 i have seen no review of and don't know if it's as good as or better than G751.
I think many people have got confused with the stupid names, and i'm not suprised

[felix88]

Originally posted by rashio
what does "YGPM" mean?

thanks :D

you've got PM. or, check your PM box.

[rashio]

thanks for that

[antipop]

I received my seringue yesterday but i could only try it today, so far i've noticed it's very hard to spread and to get an even surface
My cpu idle temp are lower but my load temp are higher

[felix88]

if this stuff is anything like the G751, it needs a couple days to cure.

my temps aren't "bad," but i don't know if they are good either.

with a 28c ambient, i've got a 41c full load, running Prime95. my CPU is at 200 x 11.5x, and i'm running 1.8v. i'm running a XP2500 cooled by a PAL8045 and a 47CFM Panaflo.

[GBR]

The last batch of X23-7762 has a thermal transfer of 4.23 initially,
and will improve to 6.5 to 6.8 over 3 to 4 days as the application chemical evaporates.

Antipop's load temps should improve.

[antipop]

I'm keeping an eye on the temp :)
My ambient varies quite a lot those last depending if it rains or if it's sunny. It can go from 23 to 30°C. It'll be hard to compare but at least it's not worse than as3 so that a first good point :)
BTW felix your temp are pretty good for an aircooled sys

[felix88]

i think i'm going to buy a SLK900 and see if i can do any better.

if my HSF was easier to mount and remove, i'd be doing tests using the Shin Etsu and my old AS2. but it's not, so i won't. :p:

[antipop]

It's starting to cure, i've notice a drop. I went as low as 37°C under load (f@h, ps fold for the team 3365 :)) that was window open, now it's at 38°C

[Hardass]

Last post deleted. I will not warn you again about selling in the open forum. Next time you will be getting a vacation from this forum.

[Nanotherm]

Hopefully, there will be some updated information posted here soon.

[GBR]

I agree! Nothing beats real world data!

[Evil_Spork]

i wanna see this compared to nanotherm.....

a direct comparison by someone would be cool.

im thinking ill get some of both one way or another. and ill compare them also.

[Nanotherm]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
i wanna see this compared to nanotherm.....

a direct comparison by someone would be cool.

im thinking ill get some of both one way or another. and ill compare them also.

Send me a pm and I'll send you some in-house test data.

[antipop]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
i wanna see this compared to nanotherm.....

a direct comparison by someone would be cool.

im thinking ill get some of both one way or another. and ill compare them also. i will do it soon when i come back from vacation (sept 11 :eek: )

[TheDude]

Has anyone tried this new Shin Etsu with sub zero cooling? What kind of results didn you get?

Thanks :D

[bimmer]

does this shin-etsu conductive?

[GBR]

Originally posted by bimmer
does this shin-etsu conductive?

No its not. And even AS3 is more capacitive at high frequencies , as opposed to conductive.

[Susquehannock]

Originally posted by GBR
<snip> I removed some text to make Hardass happy.




The engineers/ and sales staff at Shin Etsu didn't realize that there was no raw material for X23-7762 in the US...so the material came from Japan.

I got a real lesson in how global our economy is, when I realized that just by posting to our forums that thermal compound shipped from Japan to me [by way of Shin Etsu].

Then, I shipped Shin Etsu as far away as Australia, Malaysia, Israel, France, Denmark, Belgium, Scotland, England, Canada, and all over the US.


And darn good service too! :toast:

Admitedly, I haven't had the chance to try out the X23 yet.
The set of G-751 tests are almost wrapped up
and the X23 is next.

BTW ......
Anyone know of a good FREE webhosting service that would be
good to release a review? Tripod is ... less than adequate. :rolleyes:

[Susquehannock]

Originally posted by TheDude
Has anyone tried this new Shin Etsu with sub zero cooling? What kind of results didn you get?

Thanks :D


Saw a review somewhere that said the G-751 was not as
good for sub-zero systems. The compound actually became
less effective near zero.:(

I'll try to find the page.

Which reminds me ... anyone hear about the new tests
with Carbon Black? It's supposed to be amazing
... a wholenew level. :slobber:


edit: ......................

Article 174: Carbon Black Thermal Pastes (July 30th, 2003) (http://zzz.com.ru/art174.html)

Here's an excerpt:
The paste she has created is based on dispersed carbon black (a particulate form of industrial carbon used to reinforce rubber) mixed in a soup of ethyl cellulose and polyethylene glycol. In tests comparing it to solder (a method of thermal transfer not typically used with electronic components because of the temperature required to bond it to both surfaces), the carbon paste surpassed the pure metal bond in thermal conductivity by 33%. It was also superior to diamond and carbon nanotube based pastes currently undergoing development.

If you find that page interesting download Dr. Chung's
entire text results from the lynk on the bottom of the article.
Great reading!

[GBR]

I like the Mad Scientist photo!

You know Susquehannock is serious when he uses beakers!

[Susquehannock]

Originally posted by GBR
I like the Mad Scientist photo!

You know Susquehannock is serious when he uses beakers!

he he :D... it's an Erlenmeyer flask actually. ;)

It's filled with boiling water to make the G-751 easier
to apply.

[bimmer]

Originally posted by GBR
The last batch of X23-7762 has a thermal transfer of 4.23 initially,
and will improve to 6.5 to 6.8 over 3 to 4 days as the application chemical evaporates.

Antipop's load temps should improve.
so is the new batch much better than the old one?i got one here that comes with hydrowatercooling kit from corsair

[GBR]

Its hard for me to comment about older batches. I think we would have to check with the engineers.

What I do know is that every batch that I've had has been very consistent. Essentially every batch has been identical.

[bimmer]

Originally posted by GBR
Its hard for me to comment about older batches. I think we would have to check with the engineers.

What I do know is that every batch that I've had has been very consistent. Essentially every batch has been identical.
thx for ur info
I used to have shin-etsu (blue cap) and i didnt see any improvement after 1 week of using it

[NyCUndaGrounD]

The one with the red cap is the Shin Etsu X23-7762. Blue cap is G751. The red cap one is suppose to perform better.

[bimmer]

So far..is there any review for Shin Etsu X23-7762?

[bimmer]

anyone got experience with shin etsu G751 cause last time i used to have one and the temp from day 1 to 4 still the same...didnt drop

[seversphere]

bimmer you might want to reapply the shin etsu following this method (http://amdforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230649&highlight=Application)

application is the key. I'm happy to say my best application dropped temps from 63C to 54C diode readings. I use the X23-7762. :toast:

[bimmer]

Originally posted by seversphere
bimmer you might want to reapply the shin etsu following this method (http://amdforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230649&highlight=Application)

application is the key. I'm happy to say my best application dropped temps from 63C to 54C diode readings. I use the X23-7762. :toast:
thx....maybe i'll wait for my new red cap shin etsu
Btway...is urr amd or pentium?
My temp at full load with shin etsu is till better than the rest (AS3 and PCM +) but just the temp didnt drop until day 4....

[seversphere]

wish I could apply the the compound and mount the heatsink in a vacuum - air is bad!

xp1700 tbred b 1.9v 2.2ghz SLK800 50cfm

[STEvil]

Sever - i'm sending you something... eventually, I swear!

8-)

[seversphere]

Originally posted by STEvil
Sever - i'm sending you something... eventually, I swear!

8-)

:stick: ;)

I just looked at my mbm logs and the temp drop was from 61 to 54 not 63.

[bimmer]

Originally posted by seversphere
bimmer you might want to reapply the shin etsu following this method (http://amdforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230649&highlight=Application)

application is the key. I'm happy to say my best application dropped temps from 63C to 54C diode readings. I use the X23-7762. :toast:
U r right....that method is the best but u waste a lot of paste for intel pentium

[serialkiller]

GBR,
YGPM ;-)

[bimmer]

Originally posted by antipop
It's starting to cure, i've notice a drop. I went as low as 37°C under load (f@h, ps fold for the team 3365 :)) that was window open, now it's at 38°C
when did it start to cure?after 2nd day of 4 day?
let me know
cheers

[j2me_tech]

m8, i thought the blue cap which is Shin-Etsu G751 suppose to perform better?


Originally posted by NyCUndaGrounD
The one with the red cap is the Shin Etsu X23-7762. Blue cap is G751. The red cap one is suppose to perform better.

[NyCUndaGrounD]

ive heard of the G751 before the X23-7762. And people are saying the new one performs better. So it must be that the X23-7762 performs better.!

[bimmer]

Originally posted by NyCUndaGrounD
ive heard of the G751 before the X23-7762. And people are saying the new one performs better. So it must be that the X23-7762 performs better.!
Perhaps both perform equally but X23-7762 is easier to apply

[antipop]

it might be easier but it's still hard to apply and if you don't dp it properly then you'll see a big rise in temps

[bimmer]

Originally posted by antipop
it might be easier but it's still hard to apply and if you don't dp it properly then you'll see a big rise in temps
I am quite happy with my temp....it's better than my previous thermal paste but i just want to know how long it will take for the shin etsu to cure
how about urs?can u see on the 2nd day or after 4th day?

[antipop]

i can't remember clearly hoz long did it took but i'm pretty sure it's was around a couple of days zith the comp @ full load

[GBR]

I think it is 2 to 3 days with a slightly agressive burn-in, 4 to 6 days with normal use and no long sessions of high CPU temps.

And this is with a good application...I don't have a time frame for a thicker than optimal application.

I think that one good quality of the Shin Etsu pastes is that they do not thin out with long term heating and cooling cycles

( thermal pumpout )


This makes me think that a heavy application may not fix itself....and makes good application techniques essential.

[LikwidKool]

Maybe I need to try mine again, but it sucked compare to PCM+. Idle was 43°c and load topped at 65°c and I blue screened. With PCM+ I am at 38°c idle and 47-49°c load. I tried my best to spread a thin even coat, but it is a §§§§§ to work with. It didn't want to stick on the IHS, and it just kept rubbing off.

BTW keep in mind the IC7 reads high temps.

[bimmer]

Originally posted by LikwidKool
Maybe I need to try mine again, but it sucked compare to PCM+. Idle was 43°c and load topped at 65°c and I blue screened. With PCM+ I am at 38°c idle and 47-49°c load. I tried my best to spread a thin even coat, but it is a §§§§§ to work with. It didn't want to stick on the IHS, and it just kept rubbing off.

BTW keep in mind the IC7 reads high temps.
u should try to re apply....mine compare to PCM + i got the same temp at idle but at full load, shin etsu is better around 2 C on the 1st day

[antipop]

interesting result you got bimmer, i'll try it soon as i have both available now

[Nanotherm]

That Goat Head is too funny :D I wonder who his Orthodontist was? Dr. Doolittle strikes again!

You know what else is funny - but not really though? Listening to the trials and tribulations of forum members battling with a TIM and trying to apply properly when the solution is really very simple...