The race for second place

[meshmesh]

Things will be heating up next month. Thought to share this with you.
Come end of July, XS team would cross the 500 million point milestone and take over second place. :clap:

[أشرف]

Wow.

Good to know, though. Thanks for sharing, meshmesh.

Looking forward to see this team being second place next month. :clap:

[v0dka]

Only to be passed by team2ch within a few days lol

Well, just another challenge for our 250 man team. :D

[Martijn]

Keep in mind our output will raise with say, 300-400k when we all get our quads :p:

[SiGfever]

Keep in mind our output will raise with say, 300-400k when we all get our quads :p:

We will kill them with quads! :up:

[billdavis]

my e6600 @ 4.2 is starting to bore me i hope a 45nm quad(when i can get 1) can be run by my phase

[sierra_bound]

I can't go into details, but all of you should know that our efforts have not gone unnoticed. Some very large corporations have seen and been impressed with what our small team has accomplished. It's something you should all be proud of.

[[XC] gomeler]

Teah 2ch is nuts.. I can just hear them saying "Dominate on 3" and then making their assault.

[sierra_bound]

Keep in mind that Team 2ch has ten times more members than we do. They're now the third largest team on the grid. On a points-per-member basis we still outproduce them by a wide margin each day. In a little over a month, we will pass the largest team, Clubic which has more than seven thousand members.

[Movieman]

gomeler;2271562']Teah 2ch is nuts.. I can just hear them saying "Dominate on 3" and then making their assault.

A Japanese team and that says a lot.
The Japanese are VERY dedicated to what they get into..
VERY Xtreme in all ways and to be respected for that intensity..

[gr8golf]

Sure wish we could get ALL of XS crunching. :shrug:

[Movieman]

Sure wish we could get ALL of XS crunching. :shrug:

I tried back in Rosetta. I kid you not, tried every trick I could think of.
Just a lot of people on this site that don't see the importance, the value, the elec cost is an issue for some, interferring with their gaming and there was another thing I found that surprised me: There are a lot of "name" people here that have 2 machines: a laptop and a benching rig and neither suitable for DC work..
At peak in Rosetta we had 600 registered but maybe 225 that returned work daily..

[mcflurry4321]

I can't go into details, but all of you should know that our efforts have not gone unnoticed. Some very large corporations have seen and been impressed with what our small team has accomplished. It's something you should all be proud of.

That's really cool. I honestly didn't know that...

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

Sure wish we could get ALL of XS crunching. :shrug:

Man I wish we could get all the members of the team to crunch :mad:
"Users Returning Work : 144/417 (34.53%)":down:

[meshmesh]

I tried back in Rosetta. I kid you not, tried every trick I could think of.
Just a lot of people on this site that don't see the importance, the value, the elec cost is an issue for some, interferring with their gaming and there was another thing I found that surprised me: There are a lot of "name" people here that have 2 machines: a laptop and a benching rig and neither suitable for DC work..
At peak in Rosetta we had 600 registered but maybe 225 that returned work daily..

Every active member on this forum knows about this. Announcements, sigs, avatars, contest, previous PMs,...

Time to look outside.

[mike047]

Every active member on this forum knows about this. Announcements, sigs, avatars, contest, previous PMs,...

Time to look outside.


YEP:D

[linflas]

Could it also be that there are so many other options for DC, not just Boinc WCG? Maybe others are spending there time crunching for other causes?

[mike047]

Could it also be that there are so many other options for DC, not just Boinc WCG? Maybe others are spending there time crunching for other causes?

I'm sure that there are other projects involved. I do about 5 others beside WCG.

I think a lot of people don't consider the effort worthwhile and that it will/would interfere with other computer endeavors.

[[XC] serlv]

I also believe that some people's minds are not open to the idea of crunching. Of putting their, most likely, very powerful computers to other uses outside of there primary interest. Be it gaming or benching or what have you. There may even be some elements of selfishness there, but those PCs are the property of the individual. They have the right to do, or not do, what they want with their machines. I just think there is some close-mindedness present.
It bothers me that so relatively few crunch.

Then there is the belief, by some, that nothing will ever come of it all; that it is all a great folly and waste.

I'm also fairly sure that some believe that it will put wear 'n tear on there stuff.

There is also, as someone mentioned, multiple projects contending for people's involvement.

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I guess some just aren't interested. But there are others who continue to dribble in. Recently I've seen people showing up, here in the WCG area, saying "I can't believe I haven't done this sooner! What a great way for me to get added use and purpose for this bada** machine(s) I have"...
I love to see that, new members ( new to crunching with us ) that are so excited about it all.

[Movieman]

I'm sure that there are other projects involved. I do about 5 others beside WCG.

I think a lot of people don't consider the effort worthwhile and that it will/would interfere with other computer endeavors.
100% correct on both points!:up:
serlv;2272582']I also believe that some people's minds are not open to the idea of crunching. Of putting their, most likely, very powerful computers to other uses outside of there primary interest. Be it gaming or benching or what have you. There may even be some elements of selfishness there, but those PCs are the property of the individual. They have the right to do, or not do, what they want with their machines. I just think there is some close-mindedness present.
It bothers me that so relatively few crunch.

Then there is the belief, by some, that nothing will ever come of it all; that it is all a great folly and waste.

I'm also fairly sure that some believe that it will put wear 'n tear on there stuff.

There is also, as someone mentioned, multiple projects contending for people's involvement.

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I guess some just aren't interested. But there are others who continue to dribble in. Recently I've seen people showing up, here in the WCG area, saying "I can't believe I haven't done this sooner! What a great way for me to get added use and purpose for this bada** machine(s) I have"...
I love to see that, new members ( new to crunching with us ) that are so excited about it all.

I agree, it's a shame that we can't get "through" to a lot of people but we do what we can.I prefer to see the glass as '1/2 full versus 1/2 empty"
The amount of work this team does considering the size is really incredible when you examine the numbers.
Since we went to WCG in force late last August we've done 1,244,022 work units.
That's #5 in output vs being #34 in size.
That in itself is a lot to be proud of.
We may be smaller in terms of members but not in terms of dedication or heart.
That no one can dispute.:up:

[sierra_bound]

Large recruitment drives are sometimes self-defeating because you end up with a lot of new members with only a handful who are dedicated to the cause. Take Clubic for example. Only about 20% of their entire team is producing results on a daily basis. That's still over 1400 people. But close to 6000 of their clients are sitting idle. Even though our team is small, we've nearly doubled the number of members from the beginning of the year. And some of these people have become very productive members. We welcome any new member who joins our cause. But as Thoreau once said, each person hears a different drummer.

As I mentioned earlier, our efforts have not gone unnoticed. When you look at how many larger teams (some of them corporate or university-sponsored) that we've overtaken, it's hard not to be impressed.

[Movieman]

Large recruitment drives are sometimes self-defeating because you end up with a lot of new members with only a handful who are dedicated to the cause. Take Clubic for example. Only about 20% of their entire team is producing results on a daily basis. That's still over 1400 people. But close to 6000 of their clients are sitting idle. Even though our team is small, we've nearly doubled the number of members from the beginning of the year. And some of these people have become very productive members. We welcome any new member who joins our cause. But as Thoreau once said, each person hears a different drummer.

As I mentioned earlier, our efforts have not gone unnoticed. When you look at how many larger teams (some of them corporate or university-sponsored) that we've overtaken, it's hard not to be impressed.

Well said!:clap:
I think of some of the new guys that came in for the May competition and I'm impressed.
No names as I will forget someone and don't want to hurt anyones feelings by ommision.
Outside of the contribution, just some really good people have come into the team and that in itself is worthwhile.
I don't look at people based on how many machines they have but what is in their hearts. Yes, nice to have someone come in with a gazilion machines but equally good to have that guy come in with one machine willing to do what he can to help.

[linflas]

Well, i have to say I am embarrased that I had not joined this sooner than just yesterday. I have to admit I feel somewhat selfish, as I was no means blind to what was going on, and what was possible. For some reason i just never got around to it, I have no explanation for it. XtremeSystems has been nothing but open and helpful to me as a forum, and I have learned more about the hardware I own in the last 10 months than I did in 20 years of tinkering. The knowledge base here is incredible.

WCG seems so little to give in return to the community (world?), that once again I feel embarrased for not doing so sooner. It will now be one of the first programs I install on any new build.

[sierra_bound]

It's never too late to join. And it's a lot more fun being David going after Goliath than vice versa.;)

[Movieman]

Well, i have to say I am embarrased that I had not joined this sooner than just yesterday. I have to admit I feel somewhat selfish, as I was no means blind to what was going on, and what was possible. For some reason i just never got around to it, I have no explanation for it. XtremeSystems has been nothing but open and helpful to me as a forum, and I have learned more about the hardware I own in the last 10 months than I did in 20 years of tinkering. The knowledge base here is incredible.

WCG seems so little to give in return to the community (world?), that once again I feel embarrased for not doing so sooner. It will now be one of the first programs I install on any new build.

No need to feel that way. We all acquire information at different points in our lives. It's what you do with that information once you acquire it that counts.
I learn daily at this place from people that are in some cases younger than my children.:D
Now if I'd only known to buy Microsoft in 1979 when I was 27......:(

[mike047]

It's never too late to join. And it's a lot more fun being David going after Goliath than vice versa.;)

All it take is Three Small Stones:D
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.or a lot of AWSOME power like XS:up:

[Kaze06]

Keep in mind our output will raise with say, 300-400k when we all get our quads :p:

Come July 22nd, nothing can stop us :yepp:

[jspace]

Well, I continue crunching so that I'm not that much of a drain on the community :lol: Yes, there are some people who won't crunch because they are scared of wear 'n' tear. I have a friend like that. All I have to say is:
Do you really want a 10-15 year old PC? What functional purpose could they serve? I have a Pentium 90mhz under the desk as a Smoothwall, and I shut that off(because it wouldn't do what I wanted it to do:am:). My cell phone has more processing power than that thing.
Hmmm... we need some kind of client for cell phones.

[sierra_bound]

Latest dispatch from the battle front. Slingshots are very effective.

[xVeinx]

Geez, you guys are going to end up pulling me back in....

;)

I need another computer so that I can do F@H + WCG!

[Origin_Unknown]

I always feel the need to keep my 3 machine's at work running the WCG. (two of them are works property and one is mine).
If i could i'd install WCG on more but i know i cant.

i seriously cant wait till i hit the 1mil points mark, ill be extremely happy at that point as i feel ill have acheived something within the project.

[NaeKuh]

Well, I continue crunching so that I'm not that much of a drain on the community :lol: Yes, there are some people who won't crunch because they are scared of wear 'n' tear. I have a friend like that. All I have to say is:
Do you really want a 10-15 year old PC? What functional purpose could they serve? I have a Pentium 90mhz under the desk as a Smoothwall, and I shut that off(because it wouldn't do what I wanted it to do:am:). My cell phone has more processing power than that thing.
Hmmm... we need some kind of client for cell phones.

ROFL.... Wear and tear....

Because of this, i have upgraded from my happy little word with a E6600, to my first quadcore.

Then i got a second quadcore because i wanted more power. Then I had my target locked on some inspiration, aka 123BOB, until he unleashed his true power with 50K points per day!

:shocked:


Because of this thing we do, i ended up buying 3 quadcores, 2 high end boards, and i went though 4 batches of ram.

Oh i also fried 2 sets of crucial ballastix, one time it was my error, i pushed it at 2.25V the second time, i dont know what happened. It was only at 2.175V.


So wear and tear??? bah, the long run its all worth it.

[Movieman]

I think you have to get to that mental state where you realise that this amount, whatever that may be, is what I as an individual can do.
That amount differs for each person based on their level of comitment and many other factors such as finances, space in the home and local electrical costs.
I use this line every now and again and now is a good time:
"Do what you can and whatever that amount is, it's the right amount."
The one thing no one will ever hear from anyone here is:" Can't you do more?"
The only pressure anyone sees here to produce more is self imposed.
My only concern is that people not go beyond what they can comfortably handle.
I sometimes get the feeling that there's a few people here that would go without a meal just to keep a extra PC running and thats not right.
Don't let this consume you because it can.
We each have that "sweet" spot of what we can handle.
The key is in finding it and being comfortable with it.
I went through this.
I'd like to push 50K a day from here but thats beyond what I can afford so 30K is my number.
If I can get out of this new dual Yonah rig what I'd like to, then maybe that number will be 35K because of reduced elec costs.
I think that rig can produce more than my DX3600 and DX2400 combined at maybe 1/6th the elec cost.

[ShootStraight]

I think you have to get to that mental state where you realise that this amount, whatever that may be, is what I as an individual can do.
That amount differs for each person based on their level of comitment and many other factors such as finances, space in the home and local electrical costs.
I use this line every now and again and now is a good time:
"Do what you can and whatever that amount is, it's the right amount."
The one thing no one will ever hear from anyone here is:" Can't you do more?"
The only pressure anyone sees here to produce more is self imposed.
My only concern is that people not go beyond what they can comfortably handle.
I sometimes get the feeling that there's a few people here that would go without a meal just to keep a extra PC running and thats not right.
Don't let this consume you because it can.
We each have that "sweet" spot of what we can handle.
The key is in finding it and being comfortable with it.
I went through this.
I'd like to push 50K a day from here but thats beyond what I can afford so 30K is my number.
If I can get out of this new dual Yonah rig what I'd like to, then maybe that number will be 35K because of reduced elec costs.
I think that rig can produce more than my DX3600 and DX2400 combined at maybe 1/6th the elec cost.

Bah! I still got plenty of checks in my checkbook. I can afford it. :rofl: :ROTF:

[Movieman]

Bah! I still got plenty of checks in my checkbook. I can afford it. :rofl: :ROTF:

Good, then I'm going to ask you to pay for the first pair of Harpertown ES's I come across to the tune of $1800-2000 a pair!:rofl:
Thanks Carl, your a great guy!:up:
Oh, forgot, can I hit you up for enough to cover the Ex for the next month while you got your checkbook out?:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

[ShootStraight]

Good, then I'm going to ask you to pay for the first pair of Harpertown ES's I come across to the tune of $1800-2000 a pair!:rofl:
Thanks Carl, your a great guy!:up:
Oh, forgot, can I hit you up for enough to cover the Ex for the next month while you got your checkbook out?:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

The checks in the mail...:p: ;)

-SS

[Movieman]

The checks in the mail...:p: ;)

-SS

One of the 3 great lies of all time and I'm not quoting the other two!:rofl:

[NaeKuh]

dave, how much would a base harpertown rig cost? Thats board/Ram/Cpu.

My next rig is either going to be a penryn V8, or i was thinkn full blown server.

And my life is full of competition. If i single anyone of you guys out, like BOB, its because i really look up to you guys. Dont take it the other way.

Expecially you BOB, i tried, and i failed in overtaking you. :T

Now im looking at dave. >:]

[Movieman]

dave, how much would a base harpertown rig cost? Thats board/Ram/Cpu.

My next rig is either going to be a penryn V8, or i was thinkn full blown server.

And my life is full of competition. If i single anyone of you guys out, like BOB, its because i really look up to you guys. Dont take it the other way.

Expecially you BOB, i tried, and i failed in overtaking you. :T

Now im looking at dave. >:]

That V8 rig you saw the benches on is essentially what I have here, only a little slower!:rofl:
THE best $$ outputting rig now is a quadcore Intel, and I think it will be with the next gerneration of wolfdale?(quad core penryn)
Harpertowns are the dual socket boards .
We've heard talk of 3200/12mb/1600's but so far just talk.
It's too soon to tell what it will cost to build one but my guess for MB,2 cpu's and 4 gig of DDR2-800FBDimms would be in the $3000.00 range when they first appear.

Now what? Your going to come pic on the old,poor,broke guy?
I mean thats nasty and cruel..besides not fair..
If you did something like that I might have to message meshmesh and ask if he minded if I put the "fast" clover here in my name..
That would add close to another 26K a day to my 30+K..:D

Now what was that you were saying again?:ROTF:

[sierra_bound]

Wolfdale = dual-core Penryn
Yorkfield = quad-core ;)

[linflas]

what the hell have I gotten myself into...

You guys are, well a bit odd...

LOL!

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

what the hell have I gotten myself into...

You guys are, well a bit odd...

LOL!

Wow you are slow. Most people notice the day they join we are odd :ROTF: To late now your in. Now way out.

[meshmesh]

..To late now your in. Now way out.

Last thing I remember
I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before

Relax said movieman
We are programmed to receive
You can sign up any time you like
But you can never leave

[Yoxxy]

Yeah when we get the quads online we will be doing a lot better. I can't decide if I should buy the Q6600/Q6700 or wait for the 45nm in Q3/Q4.

I am leaning towards waiting for the 45nm cpus.

[[XC] serlv]

Get one now ( well, after the drop ) and later.

[sierra_bound]

For the money, the desktop quads are hard to beat. Though there may be a mad scramble to get one when Intel drops the price. Also there's no guarantee the resellers will offer the Q6600 at the suggested price of $266 on July 22nd, especially if the supply is tight.

[NaeKuh]

Yeah when we get the quads online we will be doing a lot better. I can't decide if I should buy the Q6600/Q6700 or wait for the 45nm in Q3/Q4.

I am leaning towards waiting for the 45nm cpus.

hey yoxxy, its me aigomorla over at anandtech.

Yeah, i got pretty hooked on it, and i got 2 more quadcores since the last time we talked.

3000.00 dollars for a full blown server.. :rolleyes:

Well dave, i was prepared to drop 4-5g's on my penryn V8 rig. If i can get it faster by going harpertowns, you'll be seeing a pm from me sometime near there release date asking you if you can hook me up with one. :up:


I want to try to be leet like ddtung. :up: