>> Micron DDR3 / Corsair @ DDR3-1960 CL7-6-5 >> very fast SPi32M runs, 13k Everest <<

[bachus_anonym]

Hey,

After some consideration, I decided that since we have already seen and proved that Micron 1Gbit parts will do DDR3-2000+ at CL10 or CL9 with better modules, it was time for some fast & tight action. Let me then introduce what DDR3 is capable of in terms of high frequencies at tight latencies, with some good help of good 'ol voltage :)

What I have here is a 2x1GB kit of DDR3 Micron-based modules, that happens to be coming from Corsair - yeah, no surprise here this time, right? :) For those unaware, I work in Corsair's lab, and deal with all kinds of memory/motherboard related testing, validations, overclocking, etc.

Anyway, fasten your seatbelts because 13k Everest Bandwith is coming real fast. How about we warm up with 2000+ at "slack" timings, and easier 4GHz CPU, shall we? Something worth noting is, that all overclocking was done solely from BIOS and FELIX's latest Memset was used only for those interested what memory settings/timings were used,

- Asus P5K3 Deluxe, 0504 BIOS
- Core 2 Duo E6850, 1333FSB
- Corsair DDR3 modules
- Corsair HX520 PSU
- eVGA 8800GTS


DDR3-2040 8-8-8-18 @ 2.30v, E6850 @ 510x8=4080MHz --- CPU-Z Valid @ 8-8-8 (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=210268) --- CPU-Z Valid @ 8-7-7 (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=210266)
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/510x8_DDR3-2040_8-8-8-18_Micron2GB_230v_Everest13k_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/510x8_DDR3-2040_8-8-8-18_Micron2GB_230v_Everest13k.png)
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Now, let's do that again, but below both 4GHz on CPU and 2GHz on memory

DDR3-1960 7-6-5-15 @ 2.30v, E6850 @ 490x8=3920MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/490x8_DDR3-1960_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_Everest13k_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/490x8_DDR3-1960_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_Everest13k.png)
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Next up, rather fast 32M run, isn't it?

DDR3-1940 7-6-5-15 @ 2.30v, E6850 @ 485x8=3880MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/485x8_DDR3-1940_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SPi32M_LCC_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/485x8_DDR3-1940_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SPi32M_LCC.png)
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Couple of Sandra XI Professional benchmarks - Buffered Memory Bandwith and Random Latency tests...

DDR3-1940 7-6-5-15 @ 2.30v, E6850 @ 485x8=3880MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/485x8_DDR3-1940_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SandraBandBuffLat_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/485x8_DDR3-1940_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SandraBandBuffLat.png)
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... and Unbuffered Memory Bandwidth

DDR3-1940 7-6-5-15 @ 2.30v, E6850 @ 485x8=3880MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/485x8_DDR3-1940_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SandraBandUnbuff_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/485x8_DDR3-1940_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SandraBandUnbuff.png)
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Those would make for good and I think first DDR3 entries for coop's "32m Low Clock Challenge" contest

... one for 11:xx category - I was so close to do it below 3.90GHz, but memory would just stop at above DDR3-1940. So I had to step down a bit. Still, a very fast run, right? :)

DDR3-1660 7-6-5-15 @ 2.00v, E6850 @ 498x8=3884MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/498x8_DDR3-1660_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_200v_SPi32M_LCC_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/498x8_DDR3-1660_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_200v_SPi32M_LCC.png)
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... and one for 12:xx as well. This would make the best result so far, If DDR3 results are to be accepted in that contest.

DDR3-1700 7-6-5-15 @ 2.00v, E6850 @ 510x7=3570MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/510x7_DDR3-1700_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SPi32M_LCC_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/510x7_DDR3-1700_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_230v_SPi32M_LCC.png)
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While I was at it, I run a quick ORTHOS test at above settings as well.

DDR3-1703 7-6-5-15 @ 2.00v, E6850 @ 511x7=3577MHz
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/511x7_DDR3-1703_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_200v_SomeOrthosBlend_8x6.png (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/MicronDDR3/511x7_DDR3-1703_7-6-5-15_Micron2GB_200v_SomeOrthosBlend.png)
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So, there you have it guys! There is some even better stuff coming along on DDR3 front as you can see. Let me just point out, that this is in no way presentation of what all Micron DDR3 based modules will do, but just a sample of possibilities out there, for those if you curious to see what happens when more than default 1.5v is applied. But let me say, that 2.3v that I was pushing through these modules DOES NOT seem safe for extended periods of time.

Thanks for clicking through and see you next time :) If you have any questions or requests, let me know and I will try come up with something...

:toast:

[trans am]

Holy crap! @
DDR3-1940 7-6-5-15 @ 2.30v, E6850 @ 485x8=3880MHz

& 11M 58s!! :toast:
I wish i had a ddr3 board to play with.

[over@locker886]

Great tests :toast:

Thanks for sharing;)

[funkflix]

DDR3-1700 7-6-5-15 @ 2.00v, E6850 @ 510x7=3570MHz

That is really fast! Nice results. :toast:

[K404]

The important question I think needs to be asked is...

What voltages are currently considered extreme/damaging etc for DDR3, or is it still too early to tell?

Have the Corsair labs tested module voltages until they fry?

The MHz, timings and Spi times are impressive :D

[kemo]

Nice work BA , really impressive , but i have a questions ,,, Is that is a handpicked or random kit ? those ICs are as hot as D9s or run cooler ?

Thanks for sharing



So, there you have it guys! There is some even better stuff coming along on DDR3 front as you can see. Let me just point out, that this is in no way presentation of what all Micron DDR3 based modules will do, but just a sample of possibilities out there, for those if you curious to see what happens when more than default 1.5v is applied. But let me say, that 2.3v that I was pushing through these modules DOES NOT seem safe for extended periods of time.

Thanks for clicking through and see you next time :) If you have any questions or requests, let me know and I will try come up with something...

:toast:
Is that an answer for my question or you are talking about different Micron ICs

[toddm27]

very impressive, makes me want to dump my ddr2, and jump on these

[DeDaL]

I need this ))))))

Thanks.

[rick_fx]

Under 13minutes Spi 32M at 3570Mhz. Wow!:D

[bachus_anonym]

Thanks for good words, guys! :toast:
The important question I think needs to be asked is...
What voltages are currently considered extreme/damaging etc for DDR3, or is it still too early to tell? Have the Corsair labs tested module voltages until they fry? The MHz, timings and Spi times are impressive :DThe voltage I applied in parts of this test (2.3v) does NOT seem safe for prolonged use, and should be definetely reserved only for those that are are aware of a danger that could arise from 50% voltage increase from default 1.50v. On the other hand, I have not seen Micron DDR3 being damaged with up to 2.0-2.1v. But again, early to say, I think. Also, some ICs will benefit from anything higher than 1.8v and some won't.Nice work BA , really impressive , but i have a questions ,,, Is that is a handpicked or random kit ? those ICs are as hot as D9s or run cooler? Not really handpicked, but consider it a result that may or may not be representative of all Micron DDR3 based modules. That's all I can say at the moment. Plus, it's to early to say as these Micron chips (if you look it up at Micron website) are still technically ES. The above results are intended as an early pre-preview, and be considered as such.

[SoF]

that's what I've waited for since release of DDR3 - nice ddr3 timings on sweet mhz - thanks for the detailed results :toast:

[loc.o]

Insane 32M for the clocks and glad to see tests from you again :up:

[andre X_X]

OMG 3570mhz sub13 were just amazing..... great memory, great tweaks, great ocer.... very cool...

[dinos22]

hey BA i was waiting for this thread :clap:

crazy ICs :up:

so much for someone saying the other day DDR3 die instantly at 2.3v lol :D:D:D:D:D

[metro.cl]

lol i might have a picture of you Bachus, i took some pics of corsair tech lab :P

[Redbeard]

lol i might have a picture of you Bachus, i took some pics of corsair tech lab :P

He's the guy with the shaved head whose lab table has like $50,000 in memory on it at any given moment! :D

[Gautam]

Very very fast results bachus...but I've got a feeling that DDR2 properly tweaked with P35 can match those.

Anyways its about time someone made the new tech look...new.

[eva2000]

Yeah DDR2 properly tweaked on P35 could do it or get close

but very fast stuff Bachus especially 10k everest copy bandwidth.. that's what stuck out at me.. 13k read :cool: too :D

Obviously higher cpu FSB helps with such bandwidth too :)

[erwinz]

very nice BA :)


DDR3 is looking good.. :) I hope there are more memory players here unlike DDR2 that is mostly micron.. :)

where is samsung or hynix?? :)

looking forward for more of your test.. :)

btw.. BA.. can you test using 1066 conroe's :) any E6600 retail there in your lab.. :D

[metro.cl]

He's the guy with the shaved head whose lab table has like $50,000 in memory on it at any given moment! :D

Hey havent seen you here nice to know corsair is here :)

I'll have to look at the picture to see if Bachus is in there

p.d. i found him (had to cut the picture couse of nda:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6084/bachusfn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and you also had lots of toys to play:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5167/toysxn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[bachus_anonym]

lol i might have a picture of you Bachus, i took some pics of corsair tech lab :PI think I remember you were on a tour with a bunch of other guys from South-America. He's the guy with the shaved head whose lab table has like $50,000 in memory on it at any given moment! :DThat's probably correct... :)I'll have to look at the picture to see if Bachus is in there. p.d. i found him (had to cut the picture couse of nda:Yup, that's me :up:Very very fast results bachus...but I've got a feeling that DDR2 properly tweaked with P35 can match those. Anyways its about time someone made the new tech look...new.I might be wrong, but out of those three 32M runs above, 12:02 @ 3.88GHz might be the hardest to match with DDR2, even on MCH register tweaked up P35. Time will tell, of course.Yeah DDR2 properly tweaked on P35 could do it or get close, but very fast stuff Bachus especially 10k everest copy bandwidth.. that's what stuck out at me.. 13k read :cool: too :D Obviously higher cpu FSB helps with such bandwidth too :)Thanks George! Yeah, 13k Read and 10k Copy should be out of reach on curent C2D DDR2 platform, at this CPU speed that is (3920Mhz). I was messing with P5KD, and Striker Extreme, and did not see 12k+ happenning...

I'm a bit busy at work right now, but I will make another shot at 11:xx below 3900MHz. Those 3s were driving me crazy, and still could not loose it... Only tweaks I used at that time was maxmem=600 (which seems to be a bit overrated, from what I have seen during that test) and copywaza (which shaved about 5-7s of each of those 32M runs, compared to "untweaked".

Thanks again :)

[eva2000]

Time will tell, of course.Thanks George! Yeah, 13k Read and 10k Copy should be out of reach on curent C2D DDR2 platform, at this CPU speed that is (3920Mhz). I was messing with P5KD, and Striker Extreme, and did not see 12k+ happenning...
i'll see what i can do.. only 1:1 on DDR2 so have yet to play with mem divider

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5K_Deluxe/results/Nautilus500/E6750_1/crucial/ballistix/8500_2/8x/533/490-490_4449_330338_1.6125-x0.63-1.5-2.2-1.3-1.55-1.2/superpi-32m_single_12m31s187ms.png

[afireinside]

Good stuff B_A :) DDR3 looks good for once! Hopefully prices will come down soon.

Those 32m times are damn fast. That 3880mhz run is only 1 second slower than my 4.45ghz run on p5b :lol: Ah the raw power of 1333 strap + no 32m tweak knowledge.

[JohnMike]

On Asus ftpserver there's a 0501 bios for P5K3 Deluxe, but no 0504...

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/mb/socket775/P5K3%20Deluxe/

[DEVIL K-ce]

Huh Michal play again and play strong :up:

Nice to see You back to posting Yours test :)

btw : what vcore for 3.8-4GHz cpu clocks ?


Thanks and regards

Martin

[railmeat]

amazing...

[billdavis]

are the corsair DDR3 8500s all micron

[Pedro Rocha]

Great bandwith BA :up:

You make my old Corsairs 6400C3 feelind a litle depressed

Can only obtain 12.524 MB/s at DDR900 3-3-3-3 1T :rolleyes:

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/DFI680i_X6800_4060_Everest.jpg

;)

[saaya]

are the corsair DDR3 8500s all micron
dont think so, there is no micron on the market yet it seems :(

[shimmishim]

Great job BA!

Quite impressed with DDR3 at this early in the game.

Since I was in AMD world when DDR2 came out, was early DDR2 this good as well? I know that the fatbodies were released relatively early.

I wonder if it's the same with DDR3. Ah, too much speculating for now I guess.

Anyway, thanks for showing us the potential of DDR3. :D

Now only if DDR3 would come down in price...

[Disaster_Master]

Why do most overclockers want to go back to the old DDR1 like stock voltage :rolleyes:

Nice Results :up:

[A101Sugar]

Awesome results...

I wish I had some DDR3 to play with (too bad is soo expensive :( )

[luihed]

.Thanks George! Yeah, 13k Read and 10k Copy should be out of reach on curent C2D DDR2 platform, at this CPU speed that is (3920Mhz).

I think its very possible.... Send me 5x Dominator pc2 8888 and 5x Dominator pc2 6400 c3df and ill give it a try...... :D Ill return them ... promise hehe...

[gandalfone]

Nice chip;)

[erwinz]

I think its very possible.... Send me 5x Dominator pc2 8888 and 5x Dominator pc2 6400 c3df and ill give it a try...... :D Ill return them ... promise hehe...

hehehe.. :)

[saaya]

no 3d benches? :(

[A101Sugar]

I know you want to send me a kit :)

[Timbosan]

There's some nice DDR3 results :) Why would you think 13k read bandwidth is out of reach? I have some DDR2 with read bandwidth over 14000 MB/s.

[eva2000]

Must be a bugged run.. try Everest Ultimate 4.0.1033 beta version instead

[Timbosan]

Must be a bugged run.. try Everest Ultimate 4.0.1033 beta version instead

I have the full version, why would it be bugged, and why would the beta be better? (I would have thought full version would be better than the beta)

Anyway got a link to it i cant find it? Im more than happy to install & bench again. Alternatively send it to

timbosan@gmail.com

thanks

[dinos22]

you should always compare with same software if you can particularly with synthetic benchmarks like this

[Pyr0]

EVEREST Ultimate Edition Beta Build 1076 seems to be the latest one :shrug:
Lavalys Discussion Forum > Lavalys EVEREST > Beta versions (http://www.lavalys.com/forum/index.php?showforum=12)

[eva2000]

try these 2 http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/EVEREST-Ultimate-Edition.shtml

edit thanks Pyr0 for the link :)

[Timbosan]

im at work so i cant check right now, but im using one of those latest versions, as it correctly detects my P965 chipset etc. its not a beta version though. its been consistent though, before i got my new ram i was still pulling over 12k read bandwidth.

Here's is my write, copy & latency Everest benches at same settings as the above read bench. Compared to others i have seen they look fine, if not low. I have seen other DDR2 pulling 14K+ read BW too.

EDIT: i removed pics didnt wanna hijack the thread.

[STEvil]

Always need to use the same version, otherwise you may as well be comparring Aquamark to 3DMark2003.

[saaya]

14k with 1000 444?
you think you score the same as other people or less?
well show me some more of those 14k results :P

[Timbosan]

14k with 1000 444?
you think you score the same as other people or less?
well show me some more of those 14k results :P

Here's a quote from an Asus Striker review:

"Everest measured a bit over 14,000 MB/s at Memory Read test, compare it to the 7764 MB/s it measured with default"

found here: http://it-review.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=812&Itemid=91&limit=1&limitstart=10

and this: Just read an artical at tomshardware and they oc"d an e6300 to 1940 fsb to get 3.4ghz and they"re Everest bench was over 14000.

found here: http://evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=56159 (i cant find the Toms Hardware review atm)

Ive read others i will add them here if i find em again.

[saaya]

that striker review is 7 months old...
you are using everest ultimate 2006

still kinda weird that newer versions of everest score lower than this old one... weird... maybe it was a bug in the old version?

[Timbosan]

you are using everest ultimate 2006

still kinda weird that newer versions of everest score lower than this old one... weird... maybe it was a bug in the old version?

There is no way my ram would come close to the DDR3. Either the newer versions are scoring too low, or the older (2006) version is scoring too high.

[saaya]

well ddr2 CAN get close to these DDR3 scores but what you need is 1000+ 333 or 1300+ 444 i think :D

[eva2000]

There is no way my ram would come close to the DDR3. Either the newer versions are scoring too low, or the older (2006) version is scoring too high.
Everest author already stated different versions 2006/2007 aren't comparable for benchmarks

[BenchZowner]

There's some nice DDR3 results :) Why would you think 13k read bandwidth is out of reach? I have some DDR2 with read bandwidth over 14000 MB/s.

Hilarious!
Totally bugged.
14k with that configuration isn't even remotely possible.
I don't remember my numbers when I run the Super Talent's at 1363 5-5-5-15 on the striker with the CPU @ 4GHz, but it surely was bellow 13k.

[Timbosan]

Must be a bugged run.. try Everest Ultimate 4.0.1033 beta version instead

you should always compare with same software if you can particularly with synthetic benchmarks like this

well ddr2 CAN get close to these DDR3 scores but what you need is 1000+ 333 or 1300+ 444 i think :D

Hilarious!
Totally bugged.
14k with that configuration isn't even remotely possible.
I don't remember my numbers when I run the Super Talent's at 1363 5-5-5-15 on the striker with the CPU @ 4GHz, but it surely was bellow 13k.

Thanks guys i didn't realize my score was unrealistic. Ive only been using DDR2 for about a month all up. Pyro thanks for the link too.

[saaya]

no worries, i would have been just as confused if it would have happened to me :D

[Yoxxy]

I got close with DDR2, but it was 1150 4-4-3-4-1T, CPU Speed 430x10 on ASUS Striker.

That was an old bug with Allendale chips that has been corrected recently.

[saaya]

only 1150 444 to reach that bw, nice :)