View Full Version : 3dmark 03 - 1136 points
Sprocket
06-21-2003, 09:14 PM
so.. is that about average for my setup? just wonderin...
I mighta had some stuff running in the background--hd was ticking etc... anyway, whatever
sandman
06-21-2003, 10:02 PM
it's about average.
Major
06-21-2003, 10:50 PM
Sprocket 3dmark03 is all about your video card and not so much depended on the processor like 3dmark SE. It will be hard to get any high scores with 3dmark03 with a GF3. I would use 3dmark SE to tweak your system, small improvements will show up better with it.
saaya
06-22-2003, 04:43 AM
i get 1800 with my 4200 oced... you need a dx9 card , and even then youll get 20-30fps in the last tests.
antipop
06-22-2003, 05:14 AM
3d mark 2k3 is very gfx dependant and it don't reflect your whole system
I've switch from a kg7+ pc2100@156MHz+1900MHz cpu and a ti4400 to a nf7+twinmos@210MHz+2.3GHz with the same vid card and i won a 100points in 3dmark2k3 but i won more than 3000 in 3dmark 2k1
This is exactly the reason I hate 03. Its supposed to measure the computers speed in games, games are dependant on not only the graphics card but processor speed and memory thus why 01 is a much bet5ter benchmarking program.
Craig
saaya
06-22-2003, 06:43 AM
2k3 sux... its not a benchmark at all if you ask me. a system that scores higher in doom3 might get the same score in 2k3... hows 2k3 supposed to tell us anyhting about dx9 performence then?
Lunatic
06-22-2003, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by CCW
This is exactly the reason I hate 03. Its supposed to measure the computers speed in games, games are dependant on not only the graphics card but processor speed and memory thus why 01 is a much bet5ter benchmarking program.
Craig yeah i perfer 2k1 over 2k3. Like you say it should be more system dependant not only gfx
Sprocket
06-22-2003, 11:03 AM
yeah, I agree, that does sound kinda dumb. I like 2001 se better too, mostly cause I can actually see motion, instead of those 6.3 fps things in 2003. ha. :)
Sprocket, save up for a new graphics card! :toast: that GeForce 3 thing has to go :D
Craig
Sprocket
06-22-2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by CCW
Sprocket, save up for a new graphics card! :toast: that GeForce 3 thing has to go :D
Craig
yeah, it does :rolleyes: I guess I'll get a 4200-best for money I think
Major
06-22-2003, 01:43 PM
I would suggest the R9500pro it should be way down in price right now and is full dx9 compliant. Plus it OC's very well !
Sprocket
06-22-2003, 04:11 PM
yeah, I was thinking about the 9500pro, too... but when I can get an nvidia 4200 for $100 or less and still have good frame rate... well, is dx9 really worth it? what more eye candy could it possibly have... ?
saaya
06-22-2003, 05:01 PM
dude the 9500 is the best bang for the bug!
some oc up to 450mhz+ with default cooling!
the highest youll get default on a 4200 is from 250 to 320, and thats a lucky card then.
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 04:40 PM
9500 pro or non pro?
antipop
06-23-2003, 04:43 PM
I4d say go with a powercolor 9700, it costs $200 @ gameve.com
The 9500 np relies too much on luck and now the right ones are not produced anymore
Tilmitt
06-23-2003, 04:46 PM
yeah 1000+ish is average for a geforce3. i gained 20 points by going from a 2200+ to a 2800+, its a total rubbish benchmark.
Major
06-23-2003, 04:46 PM
Now thats a deal antipop !!! $200 ;)
Sprocket I think a R9700 would be a great buy at $200, how much were you looking to spend on the TI4200 ?
check out the vga charts over at toms for some help with your decision
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-05.html
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 05:01 PM
I'll check those charts... I was looking at spending $100 give or take for a 4200... but if the extra hundred is worth it... well.. I'll just have to think about it. it also depends on how fast I want to get it and how fast I can get the money. :D thanks!
Amoeba Assassin
06-23-2003, 05:58 PM
i think there something wrong with my video card, at 3.5 i get 10508 in 01 & 1355 in 03. those are abosolutely atrocious
sandman
06-23-2003, 06:01 PM
What card is it?
Lunatic
06-23-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Sprocket
I'll check those charts... I was looking at spending $100 give or take for a 4200... but if the extra hundred is worth it... well.. I'll just have to think about it. it also depends on how fast I want to get it and how fast I can get the money. :D thanks! Well the radeon 9700np is much faster, it is worth the extra 100$
Atleast for me
AnAtOmEE
06-23-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by saaya
i get 1800 with my 4200 oced... you need a dx9 card , and even then youll get 20-30fps in the last tests.
Really? I get 1600+ with my 9000pro http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=861333
Major
06-23-2003, 06:18 PM
If Im not mistaken the 9700np is clocked the same as the pro version but only has a 128bit memory path. It should OC very well.
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 06:24 PM
what about a 256mb fx5600 for $155 at gameve? that just sounds like a really good price to me... does the 5600 perform about the same as a 4800 fps-wise... or was it the 4200... I don't remember. anyway, the 256mb sounds good. :D
sandman
06-23-2003, 06:29 PM
but, in that card. by the time games really use 256mb, the clocks won't be enought to keep it afloat. It'd be like a 128mb geforce 2.
It's nice, but not as nice as it seems.
I'd go for a 9500pro over it.
Major
06-23-2003, 06:30 PM
the FX5600 is a POS !!! I've had one and it didn't do squat out of the box and didn't oc worth a crap either. You would be better of with your first choice of TI4200 IMO.
Sprocket the R9700 at $200 is a great deal, did you look at the charts ??? the pro version is only a nose hair better.
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 07:51 PM
yeah, I've been lookin at the charts but actually haven't paid a whole lotta attention to the 9700 yet. :am: guess I'll have to save up for the 9700, then... either that or get $100 and impatiently get the 4200... but what about the 4400 and 4800? I haven't even looked at prices on those yet.
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 08:29 PM
ok... I saw this 4800 for 150, too... so just for my own knowledge, which performs better overall outta the box out of these:
gf4 4200
gf4 4400
gf4 4600
gf4 4800
gf fx5600
and in what order of performance would you place them... ok, where can I see a bench of all these cards together?????? now.. I know the ati 9700 would be the best out of all these choices, and $50 doesn't seem like a lot... but whatever.
Major
06-23-2003, 08:32 PM
look at this chart
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/radeon9800pro-19.html
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 08:47 PM
if I find one of those charts that uses the same cpu, mobo, etc, that has 4400's and 4600's on it with 3dmark, would those scores be legitimate to compare with the chart you just linked me to? I guess it would...
Sprocket
06-23-2003, 08:55 PM
well according to these
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/radeon9800pro-19.html
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030120/vgacharts-05.html
The 4800 get's about 300 more points... now the question is.... how many more points could be gained through OCing... or what's this about some of the cards being factory locked? and which out of 4200, 4400, 4600, 4800, OC's the best? I guess the extra $50 for the 9700 might would be worth it, but I'm trying to look at all the possibilities. thanks!
sandman
06-23-2003, 09:29 PM
The 4200overclocks the best, the 4800 is just a 4600 with 8X agp, which doesn't do anything. And neither of those would be a worthy upgrade IMO.
I say go for the 9700non-pro. It's what i'm saving for.
The FX creates a lot of heat as well, wouldnt go for it, the 9700 is a good choice if you got the dough. <---- money ;)
antipop
06-24-2003, 01:54 AM
Now you got two choice :
Either you go with nvidia but the card are aging, if you do go for a 4200 with 4400 pcb and memory or go with a 4400
Or add some extra cash and get a radeon9700 np, i think it's the best option you have! It's worth the extra cash
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 10:45 AM
so, none of the 4200's are agp 8x? how much does 8x help anyway... hmm.. oh well. guess I'll save for the 9700np.
ehhh, but what if I get impatient... then I guess I'll get the 4200.
what was that stuff you said about "with 4400 pcb and memory " I didn't catch on....
sandman
06-24-2003, 10:56 AM
8X agp is useless on anything below a 9700Pro.
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 11:11 AM
ok, so 8x useless. cool.
antipop
06-24-2003, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Sprocket
so, none of the 4200's are agp 8x? how much does 8x help anyway... hmm.. oh well. guess I'll save for the 9700np.
ehhh, but what if I get impatient... then I guess I'll get the 4200.
what was that stuff you said about "with 4400 pcb and memory " I didn't catch on.... The one named 4200 are not 8x but i think the 4800SE (or something like that) is a 4200 with agp 8x but it's not useful.
Some 4200 have the pcb of a ti4400 or 4600 (extra layer...) and BGA ram with 3.6 or 3.3ns, albatron makes some of those and they're great clockers
saaya
06-24-2003, 11:20 AM
yeah but a 9500 still pwnes them
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 12:08 PM
today I saw a car with a license plate that had GFX as the first 3 letters. so... I'm wondering if that's a sign to get a GeForce FX... except that I'm think a 5600 would be just too slow... maybe a 5800 would work... but those aren't cheap. oh well. I don't have the money yet anyway, but when I do, I'll eventually make a decision. thanks everyone!
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 12:13 PM
hey look!
http://www.gameve.com/store/gameve_viewitem.asp?idproduct=458
it's a 4200... but's it IS in fact 8x... and, it's a 4200... weird
antipop
06-24-2003, 12:21 PM
It's a ti4280, that's the version with apg 8x
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 12:24 PM
ohh, ok... I see now ;)
ok now... what happened to that $200 9700 that was at gameve.com... I don't see it anywhere... could someone give me a link?
sandman
06-24-2003, 12:28 PM
http://www.gameve.com/store/gameve_viewitem.asp?idproduct=708
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 12:32 PM
here's another one I found too
http://www.ateck.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=453055074
does the one from gameve come with the 7 games or whatever, too?
sandman
06-24-2003, 12:39 PM
If it's reatail it does, if it's OEM it probably doesn't.
Amoeba Assassin
06-24-2003, 02:29 PM
oh yeah i have a ti4400
sandman
06-24-2003, 03:38 PM
AMeoba, what kind of 3dmark2k1 scores do you get?
Amoeba Assassin
06-24-2003, 04:51 PM
terrible!
10k @ 3.5 in 01
1355 @ 3.5 in 03
somethings wrong with my video card
sandman
06-24-2003, 04:56 PM
What are the clocks on the card?
antipop
06-24-2003, 05:01 PM
On my ti4400, i have 15500 in 3dmark2k1 and 1900 in 3dmark2k3 but i'm still improving the cooling on the vid card, i think i can break the 16k and even become the first in ti4400+AMD
fReakIsHPC's
06-24-2003, 05:54 PM
Just to clear up some confusion, the 9700np is the exact same thing as the 9700pro except different clock speeds. Most clock up to pro speeds if not higher.
If this has been mentioned before then, I am sorry. :D
Sprocket
06-24-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by fReakIsHPC's
Just to clear up some confusion, the 9700np is the exact same thing as the 9700pro except different clock speeds. Most clock up to pro speeds if not higher.
If this has been mentioned before then, I am sorry. :D
I may be wrong but I thought I heard something about the np having 128 bit memory architecture and the pro having 256 bit.... but hey... if a 9700 will clock to 9700 pro... that sounds good to me... I just gotta get the dough, and my parent's gotta give me the go--they might not think I need to buy any more computer stuff for a while. oh well