100% celeron oc on the smallest/crappiest boxed cooler ever, all stock

[kiwi]

Just look at this, is it a joke? :D New Conroe-L celeron boxed cooler is like at least 2 times smaller than a boxed Conroe cooler. It doesn't have a copper center either

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4483/intelboxvn4.jpg

Anyway, I bought a celeron 420 for my 2nd rig and they clock pretty well, even on stock cooler and stock voltage. The only problem is that they have a very low FSB wall. This was the maximum at any voltage, stock or 1.6V doesnt mattter

412FSB = 106% oc on stock cooler, stock volts = fsb wall

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=209700

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/183/3300ew5.jpg

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Here are some other results @ 3.2GHz
SP32M
20m16.984s:
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/626/32myh3.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32myh3.jpg)

SP1M:
20.484
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4247/1mew8.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1mew8.jpg)


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Some 3D action:
8600gt 640/840, performance, no LOD


3D 01 comparison to E6300 @ 3.2GHz
33206 vs 38424 for E6300 @ 3.2GHz
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7785/3d01vb2.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3d01vb2.jpg)


3D 05 comparison to E6300 @ 3.2GHz
10923 vs 11246 for E6300 @ 3.2GHz
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8152/3d05oc5.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3d05oc5.jpg)


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Then I put the chip back to where it will be in my Asrock Conroe-1333 R1 945GC chipset mobo it it also does 400fsb there (with 266fsb pinmod), woot:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=209484

It runs ~47C idle and 60C load

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That's it, pretty good value for the price if you ask :)

[3NZ0]

PMSL at that cooler :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF: :ROTF:

Bad Intel! :shakes:


Great overclock though for such a paltry cooler!

[shapeless1]

Great overclock and good temps as well. I heard that the new cellys are getting better; didn't someone in this forum beat an AMD FX-57 with a new celly?

[vintage_guitar]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=148382

[elec999]

Where in Canada, can I get one.
Thanks

[Bail_w]

just like my E2140, FSB walled around 410 with stock or any voltages also.

[kiwi]

410 is not so bad considering a bit more expensive celeron 430 and 440 models have 9x and 10x multi

3.2-3.6 stable on air and some voltage bump should be possible without problems



Where in Canada, can I get one.
Thanks

http://www.shopbot.ca/p-57508.html :D

[elec999]

Ill pickup a 420 today, hopefully it will overclock well with the stock cooler.
Thanks

[PcCI2iminal]

100%OC on Intel cooler box :rofl:
very nice Kiwi ,

congrats

[Solarfall]

hahaha excellent kiwi..good god and with that tiny cooler.. now i cant wait for my 440 celly arrive.

[silverphoenix]

That hsf is dare I say almost cute haha, they just cut the reg ones in half :ROTF:

[wedfighter]

i can only :rofl: to that box HSF :rofl: :rofl:
btw it's great to know it's done by that crappiest HSF i ever seen :clap:

BSEL mod it n see how high it scales :D

[over@locker886]

100%OC on Intel cooler box :rofl:


Yeah, it's funny:D

Nice OC Kiwi!;)

[PcCI2iminal]

Yeah, it's funny:D

Nice OC Kiwi!;)


i tried the same

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4474/387fsbceleron430cpuzic6.jpg

with the tiny Intel box and 1.45v (windows) and with more vcore = no help

:)

[kiwi]

Nice, Thanks all, I am pretty sure any chip will do 3.2-3.6 stable especially those with 9-10x :)




BSEL mod it n see how high it scales :D


Later I did 266fsb BSEL mod, it is the same as for 4300 but it only helped on Asrock Conroe1333 MB since it has a very limited oc options - only FSB/PCI-E frequency change and a slight bump to chipset/ddr2 voltage. That's it. And FSB is tied to pci-e frequency, so BSEL mod is needed to start pcie=100 at 266fsb


Here is the mod if anyone needs it (use conductive ink/pen/silver to connect pins):

http://i5.tinypic.com/2qcjbs3.jpg

[Ego]

hahaha :D

[jgxworker]

Where can I buy that CPU in Holland. And Kiwi where have you bought it?

[TEDY]

are this new ones?

CELERON 420 1600/800 512K BOX 35,20
CELERON 430 1800/800 512K BOX 43,60
CELERON 440 2000/800 512K BOX 51,90

?

[Makubex_GB]

LoL nice OC. You must have some really low room temps.

[Jamesrt2004]

Nice OC n nice Processors for OCing too =]

[Neon Biker]

are this new ones?

CELERON 420 1600/800 512K BOX 35,20
CELERON 430 1800/800 512K BOX 43,60
CELERON 440 2000/800 512K BOX 51,90

?

Yes, those are the new ones. :up:

[GAR]

i rather get a dual core amd for 50 bucks

[Gamer]

and do what with it ?

[TEDY]

CELERON 420 1600/800 512K BOX 35,20
CELERON 430 1800/800 512K BOX 43,60
CELERON 440 2000/800 512K BOX 51,90

+20 % tax tho :(

what you think which is better this CELERON or E2XXX series? :P

[Neon Biker]

E21x0 series obviously. Or an X2 3800+.

[DrFreeze]

Where can I buy that CPU in Holland. And Kiwi where have you bought it?

alternate.nl has them, i think a 420 starts at 49 euros

i dont really like their customer service, and i myself refuse to by from them, but as long as you dont need to use their customer service, they are an OK shop

and god i love the look of that boxed cooler, i might just have to pick one up myself to toy around with, i actually find myself hoping my moms old athlon xp machine breaks down so i get to buy a 420 or 2140 to replace it, just to toy around with it

[TEDY]

uf 49€ is expensive for 420 dont you think, especially for holland.

35,20€ + 20% tax = 42,24€ and let say 10-15% margain

10% 46,50€
15% 48,60€

plus retailler gives you 4% rebate here in slovenija i think :)

so price in stores should be less then 49€ for 420 :)

[Omastar]

and do what with it ?


Oh yeah, an X2 3600+ is just so antiquated, it probably can't even run Notepad. :rolleyes:

[Ego]

40 seconds 1 super-pi in default frequecs rite?
33/2=1.65 ghz
Or 1.65*2=3.3 ghz

[DrFreeze]

uf 49€ is expensive for 420 dont you think, especially for holland.

35,20€ + 20% tax = 42,24€ and let say 10-15% margain

10% 46,50€
15% 48,60€

plus retailler gives you 4% rebate here in slovenija i think :)

so price in stores should be less then 49€ for 420 :)

yeah i guess 49 is a bit expensive, but keep in mind theyve only just started to appear, alternate is the only shop ive seen em at, so once availability gets better, i think i should be able to get one for 40-45 euros

[dinos22]

wow these are faster than FX57s
man times have changed

[caligula]

It is not the cpu but the mobo that makes me happy.
Single-core processors are doomed, but this mobo can make wonders for a decent matx computer with a dual core inside. Or maybe a quaddie?!?

[__Miguel_]

Impressive OC, and even more impressive CPU and motherboard... Never in my wildest dreams would I ever thought I'd see a 945-based motherboard with such an amazing OC potential... Also, That Celly is utterly absurd... 100% OC with stock voltages AND that almost passive heatsink? Astonishing! Do you think all of them will be like that one, or you were just lucky?

Btw, apart from being E21xx cut in half, what else do these new Cellys lack? Is Dual Channel memory supported? and how about EIST and C1E?

Cheers.

Miguel

[jgxworker]

alternate.nl has them, i think a 420 starts at 49 euros

i dont really like their customer service, and i myself refuse to by from them, but as long as you dont need to use their customer service, they are an OK shop

Thanks, they didn't had it when I posted my post. But still thanks. I will buy one soon and check what it does ^^. Maybe a nice replacement for my mom's 800Mhz AMD. She still needs a new PC, and when it clocks like that she will be happy.

[__Miguel_]

Maybe a nice replacement for my mom's 800Mhz AMD.
Just MAYBE? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Hell, even if you go with the 1.6GHz one, it will be doubling the CPU speed, and God knows how much more FSB we're talking about... Not to mention the added speed coming from extra RAM and GPU (even if it is an IGP, you usually don't run high-end AGP GPUs on 800MHz CPUs... lol). That is going to be one heck of a jump... (Like when I swtitched from a 12MHz 80286 to a 180MHz Pentium Pro... hehehe Well, maybe not that big, but you get the picture... :ROTF:)

She still needs a new PC, and when it clocks like that she will be happy.
I think happy would be an understatement. But we're still talking about a woman, and they can have unexpected reactions... :p:

One of those, a pair of DDR2-667MHZ 512MB (as low as €40 for the pair, from what I've seen) sticks and something like a 775i945GZ from ASRock (cheapest C2D-Ready board I could think of in short notice, though the new ConRoe1333-DVI/H costs only €10 more, at least here in Portugal), and you're good to go.

Oh, wait... Under €200 for the upgrade? Auch, that's gotta hurt... And less than €300 for a complete PC (without monitor or peripherals)? Nice! Now, if one could get some of those in a cluster... :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber: :slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:

Cheers.

Miguel

[kiwi]

Here are main differences between new celeron and 21xx:

Number of cores:
1 | 2

L2 Cache Size:
512KB | 1MB

Core Stepping:
A1 | L2

Thermal Design Power:
35W | 65W

Both have (C1E), diable bit, EM64T, TM
21xx has EIST whereas celerons don't

[over@locker886]

i tried the same

with the tiny Intel box and 1.45v (windows) and with more vcore = no help

:)

:up:

You surely got FSB wall on air...but very good result.

[__Miguel_]

Both have (C1E), diable bit, EM64T, TM
21xx has EIST whereas celerons don't
Thanks for the info, kiwi. It would be nice to also have EIST on the Cellys, but I guess with such a low TDP already they can ditch it with no harm comming from it.

Also, it seems DC memory mode is supported for the first time (on Celerons, that is...). FSB bump, same cache (Cedar Mill Cellys had already doubled the cache from the Prescott ones), TDP lowered, C1E, DC, Core arquitecture...

Not a bad upgrade for the Celeron line at all... Seems to me only the "top dogs" on the 6xx line (probably only 64x and up) can face these new Cellys, right? Now I understand why Intel got rid of (oficial) Netburst support starting on the x3x (Bearlake) line of chipsets...

Cheers.

Miguel

[elec999]

What eist, not sure, two word description.
Thanks

[kiwi]

__Miguel_:

If you by DC mean dual channel then it is not cpu but rather chipsets that support it :) 945/975/965/p35 and many other older Intel and other manufacturer's chipsets support DC

And I'd choose new cellies over pentium 6xx any time :)

What eist, not sure, two word description.
Thanks

Huh? :D

Enhanced Intel SpeedStep technology

[__Miguel_]

If you by DC mean dual channel then it is not cpu but rather chipsets that support it :) 945/975/965/p35 and many other older Intel and other manufacturer's chipsets support DC

And I'd choose new cellies over pentium 6xx any time :)
Hmmm, that's weird... I now Dual Channel depends on chipset implementation. However, I remember reading a while back (not very sure when, I think it was more than a year ago) Celeron CPUs couldn't use Dual Channel memory mode even if the chipset allowed it.

Also, when I had my P4P800-VM (865G-based socket 478 Asus mobo) and my 2.6GHz Celly (pre-Prescott Celeron :rolleyes:), I remember I never got to use DC... At least I don't think I did... It was a while back... hehe

Btw, about DC chipset support. Right now I think only SiS and VIA IGP chipsets don't have that feature. Which is rather yucky, since boards based on those chipsets are usually dirt cheap and can be rather feature-filled... I think I can't remember the last VIA-based (SiS was always a pain for me...) motherboard I saw without RAID support (which is not that common in Intel-based mobos...).

Cheers.

Miguel

[KMEI]

I'm about to buy a 420, can get one for 57 USD - damn cheap.
However, which mobo would you guys buy? do you believe ABIT Fatal1ty F-I90HD could reach any good speeds (can buy it demo, built in gfx, cheap). If not, can you write down some budget mobos which will OC well?
Do you think some random Kingston 667 memories would survive some overclocking? got the stock cooler from my E6600 to equip as well.

[__Miguel_]

Right now, the best mATX OC-able mobos are the G33M-DS2R from Gigabyte, the F-I90HD from Abit and some variants of the "1333" series 945GC-based ASRock. If you prefer ATX boards, then the value segment starts off with the "4Core" series from ASRock.

Of course, you'll need external graphics in any of these boards. The ATX one because, well, it doesn't have an IGP. The mATX ones because the IGP severely limits the OC potential of ANY motherboard.

Cheers.

Miguel

[KMEI]

Thanks for your recommendations :)

I would prefer an ATX board over mATX - just wondered about that one since it were so damn cheap.

Any other recommendations? There are a lot of DEMO mobos to buy as well (repaired, used, rma'ed).
ASrock is a good choice for value overclocking? it has the VIA PT880 chipset which I thought weren't good at all. I can however buy the ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA for 76 USD which indeed is very cheap.

[_G_]

wow these are faster than FX57s
man times have changed

more like come full circle, rember the old celeron 300a's ?

[NormanABates]

man, its the cheapest 100% oc'able proc ive ever seen.

[elec999]

Are these celerons 64bit, the cpuz says emt64, not is it correct.
Thanks

[__Miguel_]

I think all Intel CPUs since the appearing of the Core 2 Duo mobile line are 64bit capable. Only a few Cellys (from the Celeron D line), the Pentium M and the Core Duos are NOT 64 bit capable.

Also, this CPU is a direct descendant of the E21x0 line, which is also 64 bit enabled. The only difference on these Cellys (apart from the single core thing, of course) from the "bigger brothers" is the lack of EIST, every other tech available on the E21x0 is also present on the C4xx line.

Cheers.

Miguel

[wedfighter]

i have some problem with this Celly 430 when fits on DFI P965 mobo
i can't access the BIOS :( , eventhough i can get into the windows flawlessly
but i need to crank her up...
any BIOS update for this mobo?

[Solarfall]

i have some problem with this Celly 430 when fits on DFI P965 mobo
i can't access the BIOS :( , eventhough i can get into the windows flawlessly
but i need to crank her up...
any BIOS update for this mobo?

yeah sounds like a bios problem..

[d4ve]

Just got few of this Celeron 420 yesterday..
Altough they have same batch, they have different wall, 405MHz, 410MHz, also got one that could not run higher than 385MHz :mad:
This one could run till 430MHz, test it with Pi 32MB with tweaking and with Intel stock cooling (not like the one Kiwi's post :D )

CPU Validation
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=220808

screenshot
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3341/pi32m430mhz14m51969swmelr7.png

[[cTx]Raptor22]

E21x0 series obviously. Or an X2 3800+.

Pentium D anyone...?

</sarcasm>