Intel Entering Discrete Graphics market. Around $300 Range

[EvlUndrWareNome]

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjYyMjQsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=

Intel Entering Discrete Graphics Card Market in 08

DigiTimes, citing multiple sources in the graphics card industry, says that Intel will enter the discrete graphics card market by 2008.

At this stage all plans are still rather vague, according to the sources, with Intel scheduled to deliver a more complete roadmap and specifications in the fourth quarter of this year. However, according to most of the sources, Intel will aim for the mid-range market in the initial stages with pricing targeted around US$300.

Computex News:
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070606VL207.html

Competition!!! Wooot!

expect to see first offerings in Q2 08'

[lowfat]

nice :) Can always use more choices and competition.

[uOpt]

Finally cards with OpenSource drivers.

About time.

[Cobalt]

Hopefully this has absolutely no connection to the architecture in their intergrated chips.

[mcflurry4321]

Nice! More competition == lower prices all around, so I'm happy :) :)

[Mikesnav]

Wewt :D

[CBONE]

I hope the Intel parts will have the performance to cause a price war.

That and Intel knows how to bundle some cheap/free swag for resellers. AMD could take some lessons from them. Where is the greedily-rubs-hands-together-at-the-prospect-of-cheap-parts emoticon?

[DeathReborn]

Hopefully this has absolutely no connection to the architecture in their intergrated chips.

Yea, they can't seem to get even several years old tech in there & they botch drivers like nobody's business. I will most certainly not be buying any Intel IGP/GPU again until they can prove that they've finally caught up with nVidia/AMD in both features & driver support.

I am interested to see if they can get the performance out of the chip in DirectX & OGL or if they add another API to the mix.

[jbizzler]

Intel's had Crossfire for a while; we're just starting to see proof of SLI liscensing. Now they're going to have their own. HURRAH! I hope it makes as big of a splash as Core 2. Now NVIDIA just needs an x86 liscense, and we'll have a triple CPU/Mobo/GPU war, which can only be good for us consumers.

[[XC] Teroedni]

Im looking forward to 2008:D

[nn_step]

more competition the better

[Ubermann]

If intel hire people with high knowledge about gpu designs im sure they they will pretty much wipe out anything out there.

I like Intel all sudden when they finally started doing something good with all their money.

[DilTech]

I hope intel comes with something major. It'd be nice to see a major shake-up in the GPU market as it'll force nvidia and ati to drop prices.

[iddqd]

Idk, neither company charges much per GPU. Only barely anything on top of what TSMC wants; except for the highest binned chips - although the demand on those (however miniscule) is still greater than the virtually nonexistent supply; people will continue paying $600+ for the cards. Although the actual GPU will only be a about $150 or so.

GDDR3/4 memory costs at least as much, or more if you get crazy amounts like 768mb/1gb.

[Shintai]

Idk, neither company charges much per GPU. Only barely anything on top of what TSMC wants; except for the highest binned chips - although the demand on those (however miniscule) is still greater than the virtually nonexistent supply; people will continue paying $600+ for the cards. Although the actual GPU will only be a about $150 or so.

GDDR3/4 memory costs at least as much, or more if you get crazy amounts like 768mb/1gb.

I´m sure nVidia earns quite ok, with a 3billion revenue and 500million profit. Thats a pretty big profit for such a company. And thats why Intel is interested.

[Kaze06]

I'm still waiting for Google to enter the video card market.

[xsbb]

Everyone wants a piece of the action. 2008 is going to be a good year.

[perkam]

"Ladies and gentlemen...

Introducing !! The GMA 9000 !!! 30 FPS IN ALL YOUR GAMES at 1280x1024 !!!

For Only $250 !! :eek: "

Perkam

[rozzyroz]

from inital rumors, it has been said that intel stated this will be 16x the speed of the current g80. ill do some digging around to confirm that, but i do remember that statement.

here is one: http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4605

[[XC] hipno650]

from inital rumors, it has been said that intel stated this will be 16x the speed of the current g80. ill do some digging around to confirm that, but i do remember that statement.

here is one: http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4605

if thats true:shocked: i doubt that a company with little experience in the high end of graphics can come along and blow every thing else away by 16x but that would be nice.

:woot: more competition!!!

[Envydia007]

If its performance is at par with NV or ATi, why not

[p8ntslinger676]

"Ladies and gentlemen...

Introducing !! The GMA 9000 !!! 30 FPS IN ALL YOUR GAMES at 1280x1024 !!!

For Only $250 !! :eek: "

Perkam

lol, im guessing that little talk intel had with nvidia a while ago was about intel getting help with gpu architectures seeing as all of their integrated crapfics blew ass:rofl: :yepp:

[Sentential]

Looks like karma is coming to bite nvidia in the ass. They shoulda chummed up with Intel when they had the chance... now they're in trouble if Intel is serious about going into high-end GPUs.

Despite their incompitence they have tons of cash to throw at projects... just look at Conroe.

[clayton]

Yeah too bad they aren't interested in boosting up intergrated graphics' performance right now. It'll be a blast to put it in a true mini PC which I've been dreaming for such a long time. : * (

[CBONE]

I can't wait to see what happens when Intel throws their weight behind a push into the discrete graphics realm for real and puts the billions to use. I hope this happens sooner rather than later!

[Major_A]

I'm sure Intel can't wait either. Intel CPU, Intel chipset, Intel NIC, and Intel video card.

[Senater_Cache]

maybe they are licensing nvidia tech, if not whole chips.

[EvlUndrWareNome]

i just love this move. with this new competition from a 3rd party who can optimize their chips to run together, can get games developed around their cpu's/gpu's and know how to make a die and have the funding to continue hardware development.

this is exactly the move needed in the computing industry.

im glad i could have brought this news to you all :) cheers!

[justin_c]

Does anybody know if they have picked up graphic companies in the past few years? Because I don't know where they're going to get the market rep and internal technical skills to make a contender to ATI and NVIDIA. Anybody agree with me that this is a risky venture for Intel?

[turbox997]

maybe they are licensing nvidia tech, if not whole chips.


that's what i was thinking too. Part of that "deal" they made, but I don't know, seems like Nvidia is being left in the dust in general,
now AMD is both a CPU +GPU maker, and Intel is on that boat as well now(talking about plug in gpu,
not integrated), Nvidia could eventually be muscled out somehow by these
two power houses down the road.

:shrug:

heh, I was still hoping that Nvidia recieved an X86 license and would attempt
to start making them. woot!

[CBONE]

Does anybody know if they have picked up graphic companies in the past few years? Because I don't know where they're going to get the market rep and internal technical skills to make a contender to ATI and NVIDIA. Anybody agree with me that this is a risky venture for Intel?

Do you mean market representatives or market reputation? I think that the answer to both is that they are Intel. Word is that they sell a lot of processors and motherboards, they also already sell a lot of graphics processors. I think that it would be a zillion times easier for Intel to move into ATI-NVIDIA territory than the other way around. Intel has plenty of money, engineers, and are willing to use them. Unfortunately their experience has been with making integrated good-enough graphics, but they don't have a bunch of idiots walking around out there. I'd guess that they learned some things that they can apply. Removing the constraints of the integrated solution can only help. Maybe they can leverage that PowerVR relationship into something desktop worthy.

[[XC] gomeler]

Oh God..I bet Intel will come in swinging with a huge club. I imagine if they are announcing a product to be launched in 2008 then they've been working on this under wraps for a year and feel like they have a design that'll be competitive.

[Vassili]

Does anybody know if they have picked up graphic companies in the past few years? Because I don't know where they're going to get the market rep and internal technical skills to make a contender to ATI and NVIDIA. Anybody agree with me that this is a risky venture for Intel?
No companies(as far is I know) but they did hire almost all 3DLabs staff.

[Phlash]

If Intel can just pick up a bunch of guys with experience, and come up with a great design, they could blow away everyone as long as they don't price themselves out of the market. This could be VERY interesting.

ATI and Nvidia are going to have to pick up their game if they want to stay ahead. I love it!

[EvlUndrWareNome]

Does anybody know if they have picked up graphic companies in the past few years? Because I don't know where they're going to get the market rep and internal technical skills to make a contender to ATI and NVIDIA. Anybody agree with me that this is a risky venture for Intel?

id think of them as microsoft for the xbox when it came out. microsoft had made games, but no gaming systems. Intel has made integrated, but not discrete. Both had and have a bucket of cash as well. Either way Intel ahs the muscle to PUT products in any range it really wants. Also the soon-coming release of a gpu road map shows they have been busy behind closed doors.

Intel has the manufacturing, they have the engineering, they have the FUNDING, and they have the ADVERTISING. Intel could really knock a hole into the market if they release a good product as they can back it in every way.

[Think]

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjYyMjQsLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE=



Computex News:
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070606VL207.html

Competition!!! Wooot!

expect to see first offerings in Q2 08'

I mentioned this possibility a thousand times. Fantastic news!!!:welcome:

[Jimmer411]

"Ladies and gentlemen...

Introducing !! The GMA 9000 !!! 30 FPS IN ALL YOUR GAMES at 1280x1024 !!!

For Only $250 !! :eek: "

Perkam


Haha I can see it now!

Worlds first upgradable graphics card! Featuring dual prescotts running at 2.4ghz ! With 6 different chipsets to choose from, updated monthly!

[Kaze06]

release a good product as they can back it in every way.

That's the hard part.

[nn_step]

id think of them as microsoft for the xbox when it came out. microsoft had made games, but no gaming systems. Intel has made integrated, but not discrete. Both had and have a bucket of cash as well. Either way Intel ahs the muscle to PUT products in any range it really wants. Also the soon-coming release of a gpu road map shows they have been busy behind closed doors.

Intel has the manufacturing, they have the engineering, they have the FUNDING, and they have the ADVERTISING. Intel could really knock a hole into the market if they release a good product as they can back it in every way.
good is relative, not to mention the fallacy of that logic. What makes a great DX9 card Does make a horrid CPU

[SparkyJJO]

Maybe it is just the cynic in me (and my tendency to be more anti-intel) but it wouldn't surprise me if they want to get into the gfx market to dominate and control like they dominated and threw their weight around with the CPU market (how else did they stay the #1 CPU maker when they were not performance king for 3 years?).

Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if they want to get in, strong-arm nvidia out, then keep beating on AMD every way they could (including some illegal ways like they had previously) to keep AMD tiny and shrink the ATI department, until they pretty much own the market and they get to rape us on performance and price.

Hopefully I'm just being overly cynical and intel has learned and will do better business...

[CBONE]

Wow, dude. Just... wow. That's pretty cynical. I kinda doubt Intel would enter a new marketspace just to beat up on AMD even more. Intel knows the score. You think they wouldn't have even more monopoly heat if they dominated the graphics world? They don't need that extra heat. AMD has made a lifestyle out of being the underdog even when they have the upper hand.

[KoHaN69]

This is BAD.

Game Developers hate intel graphics.

[Shintai]

This is BAD.

Game Developers hate intel graphics.

And the reason would be?

Game developers and IGPs is already something that dont mix.

[FischOderAal]

Yeah too bad they aren't interested in boosting up intergrated graphics' performance right now. It'll be a blast to put it in a true mini PC which I've been dreaming for such a long time. : * (

who needs good integrated graphic anyway? I don't...

let's hope Intel has something good up their sleeves :D

[nn_step]

And the reason would be?

Game developers and IGPs is already something that dont mix.

except Intel integrated graphics are designed to be cost efficient and get racked over the coals compared to any IGPs that nVidia or ATi produced. Heck an Old Trident PCI GPU is better playing games than that integrated crap that Intel is producing...

[DeathReborn]

who needs good integrated graphic anyway? I don't...

let's hope Intel has something good up their sleeves :D

Since most laptops use IGP there is a market for higher performance IGP. More sao when you consider you can buy 1920x1200 native res laptops with IGP's that have no hopes of playing anything 3D at that resolution.

Maybe with 65/45nm they will finally get a reasonable performance IGP out there.

[irev210]

I'm curious if you've used any of the latest Intel graphics, mainly the 3000 series. They've really come a long way.... and while they aren't as good at gaming as the high end cards, they definitely compete on the mid and low range market. Outside of gaming they are just as good as any card. I know this may be shocking to some.... but most people don't NEED a $700 card, hell even I don't and I do game. Most people actually use their PCs for things like video, music, web, e-mail, etc and with that.... Intel graphics are perfect especially the latest series. People need to let go of the hate from previous generations. :rolleyes:



i agree, 945/950 IGP was just good enough for vista, but the newer x3000 series has come along nicely.

Still, I think we need 7950GT/X1900XT performance on IGP by next year for me to be happy :)

[irev210]

except Intel integrated graphics are designed to be cost efficient and get racked over the coals compared to any IGPs that nVidia or ATi produced. Heck an Old Trident PCI GPU is better playing games than that integrated crap that Intel is producing...


har har, i really hope you aren't serious.

[Shintai]

except Intel integrated graphics are designed to be cost efficient and get racked over the coals compared to any IGPs that nVidia or ATi produced. Heck an Old Trident PCI GPU is better playing games than that integrated crap that Intel is producing...

So in other words, they hate all IGPs, Intel, AMD, VIA, nVidia, SIS.

[Nedjo]

Geeee I'm amazed how so many people are taking for granted this flood of rumors regarding Intel...

Yeah they gathered bunch of 3DLabs people after Creative dissmelted company and yeah they have some of ATI guys that didn't want to stay... but to make good teams, good design, and DRIVERS, does take SOME time!

To expect something from Intel in the range of performance that today 8800GTS 320 is delivering in the next 12 months is ridiculous!

Experienced NVIDIA team took FOUR years for G80 designto be complied!

Intel does have money, that's truth but that money didn't meant a thing when they designed GMA 3000 IGP! For crying out loud that GFX core doesn't run properly 60% of games, and still has flawed drivers! And you expect fully featured discrete GFX in the 2008!!!!?

Wishfully dreaming!

[Face]

Intel's rumored graphics chip a no-show

Observers say Intel must come up with a new high-end graphics chip to rival to AMD, but they see no signs of such a move at Computex.

"There have been rumors of an Intel GPU for a long time. I haven't seen anything like it yet," said Andy Wu, project engineer in the multimedia division at Micro-Star International, one of Taiwan's largest graphics card makers.

"It would be big news if it were true, but it's not real," said Andrew Wei, graphics product manager at Foxconn Technology Group, another graphics card maker.

An engineer at Asustek Computer, Taiwan's largest motherboard maker and a major graphics card developer, also denied the existence of an Intel GPU or any hearsay that one might be coming anytime soon.

Source (http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/06/08/Intel-graphics-chip-no-show_1.html)

Might surprise us as well.. There are many sides to the story.

[[XC] Lead Head]

except Intel integrated graphics are designed to be cost efficient and get racked over the coals compared to any IGPs that nVidia or ATi produced. Heck an Old Trident PCI GPU is better playing games than that integrated crap that Intel is producing...


nn_step thats complete bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. The latest Intel IGP can manage Doom 3, although quite poorly, it can still run it. That is a HUGE increase over what they could previously do. An Intel IGP will beat the living daylight out of a Trident Blade3D, I would know, I've used both.