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i||uSi0n^
06-06-2007, 12:28 PM
Source: Here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070606/tc_infoworld/89156)

AMD will delay its launch of the Barcelona quad-core Opteron server chip from its expected date in July until October, setting the company back in its effort to compete with new processors from Intel, according to ever increasing analyst reports.

Processor companies make more money selling server chips than desktop or laptop chips, so the move will hit AMD's 2007 earnings hard, pushing the company to lose $2.59 per share instead of only $2.48 per share, according to a report released Tuesday by Citigroup analyst Glen Yeung.

"Barcelona is generally viewed to be AMD's best opportunity to stem server share loss to Intel. While AMD's recent notebook win at Toshiba may balance any negative revenue implications to our current model, Barcelona's delay has negative implications for AMD's gross margin," Yeung wrote.

His estimate is a larger loss than the consensus Thomson Financial forecast that AMD will lose $2.47 per share for 2007.

The news comes at a bad time for AMD, which has promised for months that it would launch the chip in the second half of 2007, helping the company to rebound from the effects of a price war with Intel. AMD is already hurting, posting a $611 million first-quarter loss in April, following on the heels of the $574 million loss reported in January for fourth quarter earnings last year.

Barcelona is the key to taking that fiscal burden off AMD's shoulders, AMD CEO Hector Ruiz said on May 3 at the company's annual shareholder meeting. Although Intel is several quarters ahead in improving its chip manufacturing capabilities, AMD stays competitive by creating more innovative designs, he said. AMD claims Barcelona will deliver better performance on memory-intensive applications than Intel's Clovertown quad-core Xeon server chips that have been on the market since November.

AMD stuck to its guns on Wednesday, insisting that it is still on schedule, and pointing as evidence to its demonstration on Tuesday of prototype Barcelona chips in servers from infrastructure partners Supermicro Computer, Tyan Computer, and Uniwide Technologies at the Computex trade show in Taipei.

"We remain on track for a summer 2007 launch with partners shipping platforms in the third quarter," said AMD spokeswoman Marian Kelley. She blamed the delay rumors on Cray's announcement Monday that it expects revenue to drop because of a delay in shipping its quad-core Cray XT4 systems. In fact, Cray was referring to AMD's midrange Budapest processor, not Barcelona, she said.

"The guidance that we've been giving and that we're sticking to is that Budapest will follow Barcelona in the second half of 2007," Kelley said.

Despite AMD's assurances, other analysts echoed the Citigroup report, saying they have heard similar news from server vendors, distributors and board makers.

On May 30, another report called AMD's promise to launch Barcelona in mid-2007 "a head fake" since the chip will not be available at full volume until August at the earliest, according to a note from analyst Patrick Wang at Thomas Weisel Partners.

In contrast, Intel is expected to succeed in shipping its Penryn processors in the late third quarter or early fourth quarter. That timing will allow Intel to essentially catch up to AMD and soften the blow of losing sales to customers who see a performance advantage in Barcelona, Wang said.

xVeinx
06-06-2007, 12:41 PM
There is a lot of pessimism coming from all sides regarding K10. K10 may end up being a perfectly awesome chip, but the press regarding it is so bad that many companies might go ahead and order Intel-based servers instead of Opteron-based. Obviously there are plenty of factors that play into purchases, but I guess my main point is that the AMD marketing team needs to do something. The spokeswoman above may act indignant, but that's not enough. They have to do something, else they are going to lose their ship. The problem isn't about hardware anymore. It's about the public perception of AMD and future hardware. Demos certainly help, but even that may not be enough at this point. AMD knows how to fight a hardware war; they don't know how to fight a PR war.

perkam
06-06-2007, 12:52 PM
three letter word of the century: Duh !

three letter answer to "Will you buy AMD shares at $12?": Yes ! :p

xveins...you have no idea how hard it is to control the overwhelming pessimism about AMD in xs news...its the only section that has it.

Perkam

Periander6
06-06-2007, 12:56 PM
There is a lot of pessimism coming from all sides regarding K10. K10 may end up being a perfectly awesome chip, but the press regarding it is so bad that many companies might go ahead and order Intel-based servers instead of Opteron-based. Obviously there are plenty of factors that play into purchases, but I guess my main point is that the AMD marketing team needs to do something. The spokeswoman above may act indignant, but that's not enough. They have to do something, else they are going to lose their ship. The problem isn't about hardware anymore. It's about the public perception of AMD and future hardware. Demos certainly help, but even that may not be enough at this point. AMD knows how to fight a hardware war; they don't know how to fight a PR war.

You make it sound like rocket science. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how to dispell all the pessimism. All it would take is for AMD to fire up a barcelona system and run some benchmarks that show just how impressive it is.

Unless, of course, there is nothing to be impressed about. Of course, if that is the case it wouldn't be pessimism anyway, it would be realism.

nn_step
06-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Yeah and a rumor that Intel's CEO Paul Otellini killed someone in China, could kill their stock price too... So posting indicators for rumors based on guesses on what could happen are a bit pushing it if you ask me

nemrod
06-06-2007, 01:38 PM
This news is based on Glen Yeung analyse (already post on xs) so there is already an answer:

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9726249-7.html
and on xs:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=146986

I don't say this is the truth but that the Glen Yeung analyse was already discuss and that amd has already answer:

Face
06-06-2007, 02:30 PM
AMD battles Barcelona delay rumours :

07 Jun 2007

AMD is denying reports that claim that its highly anticipated Barcelona quad core processor has been hit by a delay, a company spokesperson told vnunet.com.

Barcelona is scheduled for release this summer and is still on track, said AMD spokesperson Andrew Fox.

Source (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2191544/amd-battles-barcelona-delay)

eXceededgoku
06-06-2007, 02:57 PM
Source (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2191544/amd-battles-barcelona-delay)

Oh no! Thats what they said about the R600...

XeRo
06-06-2007, 03:06 PM
Oh no! Thats what they said about the R600...

It was delayed because they wanted to do a top to bottom launch. But Henri Richard said this

"There's speculation about what's going on with CPU business," said Henri Richard, AMD's executive vice president and chief sales and marketing officer. "Where's Barcelona? I can tell you it's more of a killer product than anyone thought. I'm not bragging. I know what we've got."

Barcelona is going to be a killer because he said so. So the wait should be worth it.

Yes, I try to ease my pain by thinking about what Richard said. It's very sad.

M.Beier
06-06-2007, 03:08 PM
What a surprise it's not good for AMD if their product are delayed,... Must be the surprise of the century

duploxxx
06-06-2007, 03:15 PM
how many times again: WRONG data en lots of FUD, I think INTEL marketing is behind this for sure.

production samples will be provided end of month to NDA, same as the real performance figures of the barcelona chips.

And august is correct if you see it from an OEM delivery perspective.

but then again the same counts for Penryn because that is also scheduled for late Q4 delivery by OEM.

situman
06-06-2007, 04:37 PM
its just normal AMD, not surprised. AMD earnings will get even ugly next quarter and with the fear of rising interest rates and economy slowing? It will be bloody.

xsbb
06-06-2007, 05:19 PM
its just normal AMD, not surprised. AMD earnings will get even ugly next quarter and with the fear of rising interest rates and economy slowing? It will be bloody.


:eek:

Chewbenator
06-06-2007, 10:55 PM
Yes a top to bottom launch, but where is the bottom, and where is the top? Putting out one model of card that doesn't stack up to the competition's top model doesn't warrant the delay that occurred, there where other reasons, that was their excuse. I want to see what they come out with as much as the next guy, but the fact is that their earnings will take a hit if they keep doing this.

Face
06-07-2007, 02:54 AM
AMD to release Barcelona Opterons in July

The long wait for K10 is drawing to a close as AMD is gearing up to release the K10 server parts, codenamed Barcelona in late July (yes, 2007). AMD representatives have previously labeled the Barcelona Opterons with a 'mid-07' release date and, even though there have been problems with the chips, AMD won't disappoint.

At Computex, AMD has already been showing off Barcelona processors running at 1.6 GHz and although there have been rumors as to how well the upcoming chips will scale (up to just 2.0 GHz), ATI's owner is confident that it will have the server CPUs ready and willing to kick some Xeon behind. K10 is finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and it (the revived competition) feels good.

Source (http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=15099)

So, maybe it won't be delayed after all?.. Hopefully. (Sorry, know nothing about the source)

poullos
06-07-2007, 04:16 AM
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1351&Itemid=1

WTF? Who is reliable to listen to? Fud says it has been delayed for Q4 now...

Think
06-07-2007, 04:35 AM
There fugged up. Sorry, but they just are.

GoThr3k
06-07-2007, 06:16 AM
What to believe, what to believe....
Well since R630 and that other chip R6XX are shipping soon,the next quarter should be better for amd i hope. They are in deep sh*t if they keep losing money like last quarter

DeathReborn
06-07-2007, 07:04 AM
What to believe, what to believe....
Well since R630 and that other chip R6XX are shipping soon,the next quarter should be better for amd i hope. They are in deep sh*t if they keep losing money like last quarter

According to Fudzilla there won't be any R650/R670, it was all a trap to get rid of leaks...

FuD (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1340&Itemid=1)

GoThr3k
06-07-2007, 12:04 PM
i meant R630 and R610 (or RV i dont know exactly)

Shintai
06-07-2007, 12:33 PM
What to believe, what to believe....
Well since R630 and that other chip R6XX are shipping soon,the next quarter should be better for amd i hope. They are in deep sh*t if they keep losing money like last quarter

RV610 and RV630 cant change much. just like R600 changes nothing. ATI already lost money before AMD bought em. And now they more or less lost their entire Intel chipset line that was their golden cow.

Without competive CPUs AMD wont change anything in terms of their balance. I don´t know where people got the idea that Radeon chips could save the entire company. When ATIs biggest profit ever was ~50million or so. nVidia is the one making the money.

Also the shipping of RV610/RV630 will be low until it ramps production and start selling. Q2 gonna be hopefully the worst, and when I say hopefully its because Q3 could be worse since K10 wont ship or atleast not in high volume there either. I think people have to be patient and see the next 3 quarters as very painful before the ship is finally turned. Just like Intel wasnt magiclly saved in July 2006 when the first Core 2 shipped. It takes time, 5-10% mix of a new product dont do anything.

saaya
06-07-2007, 02:01 PM
thats true, i always wondered just what the hell ati was doing with all its money. even when nvidia was at its worst point in history they still made profits and while ati dominated the market they barely made any wins... really messed up...