AMD Partners Demonstrate "Barcelona"

[onethreehill]

AMD took the opportunity at Computex to showcase server platforms running the Quad-Core AMD Opteron processors, codenamed Barcelona, with the help of MSI, Supermicro, TYAN and Uniwide.
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7554

[madcho]

a bit disapoiting :/

One vendor demonstrated Barcelona to DailyTech running at 1.6GHz. Current AMD Barcelona samples are not scaling too well. AMD partners confirmed the highest running, POST and OS capable, Barcelona processor is 2.0 GHz.

FX 2.6ghz please :up:

[Ubermann]

Max 2ghz ? Good luck bringing out that extra ghz then.

But..i can see some spikes =)

[madcho]

Max 2ghz ? Good luck bringing out that extra ghz then.

But..i can see some spikes =)

what does it mean ? :rolleyes:

[Ubermann]

what does it mean ? :rolleyes:

It means it crashed =)

[madcho]

It means it crashed =)

ok, i can see the same like you, but i don't unterstand why you do think this is good ?

=) ????

[madcho]

You can see, evrything has separate power inside, FPU, ...

But you can see something new :D

[xsbb]

interesting.

[Brother Esau]

One has to wonder if they are smoking Crack under a blanket @ AMD:shocked:

Just one depressing thing after another since they bought ATI (sigh) this entirly too much to bear!

[SunFlowerSeeds]

Can I download the AMD system stress test? :D

[informal]

Oh my...How quickly some people forget the 800MHz K8 demonstration before it launched,at double clockspeeds of that.
And some(savantu mostly) are going on a mission on various forums and msg boards posting crap and FUd about AMD's latest part,without even seeing one in reality,let alone touching or testing them...Really makes you wonder are they doing it just for fun??(my bet is no)

[madcho]

Oh my...How quickly some people forget the 800MHz K8 demonstration before it launched,at double clockspeeds of that.
And some(savantu mostly) are going on a mission on various forums and msg boards posting crap and FUd about AMD's latest part,without even seeing one in reality,let alone touching or testing them...Really makes you wonder are they doing it just for fun??(my bet is no)

They already said, K10 is gonna go over 3ghz, maybe not this year, ;)

[Shintai]

You can see, evrything has separate power inside, FPU, ...

But you can see something new :D

Why is that new? Its a strestool testing one thing after another...

[verndewd]

Oh my...How quickly some people forget the 800MHz K8 demonstration before it launched,at double clockspeeds of that.
And some(savantu mostly) are going on a mission on various forums and msg boards posting crap and FUd about AMD's latest part,without even seeing one in reality,let alone touching or testing them...Really makes you wonder are they doing it just for fun??(my bet is no)


I agree, I would also like to see the BE steppings oc'd.

[Shintai]

I agree, I would also like to see the BE steppings oc'd.

They OC like any other brisbane. Techreport got ~3Ghz, Anandtech got ~2.4Ghz of their samples.
The BE is nothing but a renamed brisbane with a lower default voltage.

[v_rr]

Quick and Dirty AMD K10 Cinebench
An early AMD "Barcelona" revision gets its first non-simulated benchmark

Earlier today, AMD announced that it successfully demonstrated Barcelona across the server market. The company did not publically state how fast the processor was running, the stepping of the processor, the processor thermal envelope or the eventual ship date.

We had the opportunity to benchmark the AMD Barcelona, native quad-core on an early stepping. We only had a few minutes to test the chip, but we were able to run a quick Cinebench before we were instructed to leave.

The AMD benchmark ran on a single-socket, K10 CPU running at 1.6 GHz on NVIDIA's nForce Professional 3400 chipset. According to the system properties, the AMD system used 4GB of DDR2-667.

The most similar Intel system we could muster up on such short notice was an Intel Xeon 3220. The Xeon X3220 is clocked at 2.4 GHz, and ran on Intel's Garlow workstation chipset (Intel X38). This system property profile stated the system utilized 4GB of DDR2-800.

Cinebench completed the default benchmark in 27 seconds for the 1.6 GHz K10; 17 seconds for the Intel Xeon X3220. The Kentsfield Xeon was 58% faster with a 50% higher clock frequency for Cinebench.

AMD partner engineers tell DailyTech the chip we tested was the latest revision silicon. The same engineers claim 2.0 GHz Barcelona chips are making the rounds, with 2.3 GHz already on the desktop and server roadmaps.

AMD's current guidance suggests a late July announcement for Barcelona. However, when DailyTech tracked down the individual partners named in AMD's press release, all cited "optimistic September" ship dates for motherboards.

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4997_AMD_Barcelona.jpg

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4998_Intel_Xeon_X3220.jpg
http://www.dailytech.com/Quick+and+Dirty+AMD+K10+Cinebench/article7574.htm

[zerazax]

Interesting on the cinebench...

[Shintai]

The Cinebench seems to confirm what alot of people wont admit.

I just wish we could stop the endless hypes about products up to a state they dont belong in.

[perkam]

I like that there is new info out.

Perkam

[accord99]

Assuming it follows the standard Cinebech scaling ratio of ~1.9x from 1 core to 2 core and ~3.2x from 1 core to 4 cores, we get a rough score of 250-260 for a single 1.6GHz K10 core and 470-480 for a dual-core 1.6GHz K10.

[madcho]

in 32bit ... :/ 64 bits is much better for AMD ( about 30% )

[Brother Esau]

Ya. Perky tis good to see something but....I did indeed plan on getting a Supermicro H8DAi-2 Dual Socket F board and getting two Barcelona Quads to throw into it and later on yanck em to clock up but perhaps that may or may not be the case from what this post shows? We shall see but I can only imagine they want tons of loot for them when they come out so I would like to get some extra mileage out of them and clock em.

[accord99]

in 32bit ... :/ 64 bits is much better for AMD ( about 30% )
Look at the taskbar in the full-size Dailytech image.

[XS Janus]

These results are pretty poor...
xeon x3220 58% faster. that means clock for clock equal performance.
And Amd let them run this test. What is going on?

Do you guys also get the feeling that AMD quads will be much lower clocked than 2core parts?
That could explain their bragging with the lower power consumption on 4core parts!

[madcho]

Look at the taskbar in the full-size Dailytech image.

:shocked:

it can't be K10 ...

E6600@3ghz do on 32bit 24s ... :rolleyes:

[Ubermann]

They should keep it to slides only..

[Clairvoyant129]

:shocked:

it can't be K10 ...

E6600@3ghz do on 32bit 24s ... :rolleyes:

Huh? It was 64bit Cinebench, what are you talking about?


I think this and the POV-Ray fiasco confirms what everybody doesn't want to admit about K10.


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3003

Those hoping for nail biting, teeth clenching battles should apply elsewhere - the CPU war these days is a one horse race. If reports out of Taiwan are to be believed,initial performance results from AMD's Barcelona fail to impress

[Lightman]

Huh? It was 64bit Cinebench, what are you talking about?


I think this and the POV-Ray fiasco confirms what everybody doesn't want to admit about K10.


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3003

It was 32bit Cinebench ran on 64bit OS...

[Clairvoyant129]

It was 32bit Cinebench ran on 64bit OS...

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4997_large_AMD_Barcelona.jpg

The taskbar says 64bit..

[Arkangyl]

The thing with Barcelona is that it's a new micro architecture and more cores, it seems that usually the processor companies only do one or the other. AMD had the A64 before the X2 came out, Intel started with Dothan then Merom then Core and finally Core 2. Core 2 was the product of a few years of tweaking Dothan.
Considering that, I would not be surprised if Barcelona came out at 1.6-2ghz and had a weak freshmen showing. However given time I'm sure AMD can tweak it into a competitive product, if not a leading one (like they did with Athlons XP, 64 and X2).

[EternityZX9]

Oh my...How quickly some people forget the 800MHz K8 demonstration before it launched,at double clockspeeds of that.
And some(savantu mostly) are going on a mission on various forums and msg boards posting crap and FUd about AMD's latest part,without even seeing one in reality,let alone touching or testing them...Really makes you wonder are they doing it just for fun??(my bet is no)

QFT. There are others on this forum too (see thread not to far down from this one about AMD). It's sad. :(

[Ubermann]

The only reality about this is what news sites says.
like anandtech and more, and now info from computex.
But if you prefer to listen on forum members that "thinks" it will be superb then do that, but maybe open your eyes just a little.

[Shintai]

Lets just hope AMD can make some 3-3.5Ghz Quadcore K10s to compete with Intel. Else Penryn and Nehalem will wipe the floor.

[Periander6]

However given time I'm sure AMD can tweak it into a competitive product, if not a leading one (like they did with Athlons XP, 64 and X2).

Competitive with what? Intel is a moving target these days. You can't expect Intel to hit another wall like they did with Netburst and clockspeeds. AMD has a huge debt load these days and is losing money hand over fist. They don't have the luxury of time like they had in the past. They need to fix whatever is wrong, and do it in the next couple months, or else.

[halo112358]

These results are pretty poor...
xeon x3220 58% faster. that means clock for clock equal performance.
And Amd let them run this test. What is going on?

Read again, 58% faster with a 50% faster clock speed.

[Lightman]

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4997_large_AMD_Barcelona.jpg

The taskbar says 64bit..

.... your right ...

I miss looked this small part.. It is really slow then... I was getting 874 points on X2 clocked 2550mhz!!

[Clairvoyant129]

Lets just hope AMD can make some 3-3.5Ghz Quadcore K10s to compete with Intel. Else Penryn and Nehalem will wipe the floor.

Yea, from the looks of it (so far, it could change), K10 won't be very competitive (performance wise), even against the already existing Kentsfield/Clovertown.

K10 isn't scaling well according to Anand, I doubt we will see a 3GHz+ K10... I wonder how a 2-2.3GHz (release) K10 will fare against a 3GHz+ Penryn?

[Brother Esau]

The thing with Barcelona is that it's a new micro architecture and more cores, it seems that usually the processor companies only do one or the other. AMD had the A64 before the X2 came out, Intel started with Dothan then Merom then Core and finally Core 2. Core 2 was the product of a few years of tweaking Dothan.
Considering that, I would not be surprised if Barcelona came out at 1.6-2ghz and had a weak freshmen showing. However given time I'm sure AMD can tweak it into a competitive product, if not a leading one (like they did with Athlons XP, 64 and X2).

You are correct in every respect but......AMD's current finacial status cannot withstand coming to bat with a lame nippy especially right after te huge ATI 2900XT dissapointment!

[largon]

Brother Esau,
Huh?
HD2900 may be a dissappointment to the tiny minority of hardware enthusiasts but speaking in sales HD2900 is nothing but a gold mine for DAAMiT. They'r selling tons of cards due its low price.

[uOpt]

in 32bit ... :/ 64 bits is much better for AMD ( about 30% )

This rumor has been disputed time and again. The relationship of speed between K8 and Core2 stays the same for 32 and 64 bit code.

[uOpt]

Classic line: I told you so.

Per clock it is 6% slower than Core2. Since I publically estimated K10 integer performance as 5% over K8, and Core2 is 20% better than K8, this sounds abour right when you take into account that you have relatively faster RAM here.

So I'm afraid my estimate is right and I'll be the only one to buy K10 :(

[Shintai]

Brother Esau,
Huh?
HD2900 may be a dissappointment to the tiny minority of hardware enthusiasts but speaking in sales HD2900 is nothing but a gold mine for DAAMiT. They'r selling tons of cards due its low price.

Please back up that statement with proff. There seems to be no shortage of cards, so tonnes? no. Also its not even competeive with 8800GTS anymore in price. Then add noise and power consumption.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122018
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102097

640MB 8800GTS is 50$ cheaper!

Face it, the 2900XT is a huge failure and AMD is rushing 2950 in to save not only the failure, but also the economic aspect of it. And 400$ cards dont make much of the market, specially not when nVidia have been there for 6+ months and you come with something inferiour and more expensive.

Also the goldmine? Thats the RV610/RV630 segment. Not the R600/G80 one.

[nn_step]

Classic line: I told you so.

Per clock it is 6% slower than Core2. Since I publically estimated K10 integer performance as 5% over K8, and Core2 is 20% better than K8, this sounds abour right when you take into account that you have relatively faster RAM here.

So I'm afraid my estimate is right and I'll be the only one to buy K10 :(

doubtful that you'll be the only one since Cray has an order for a couple million of them...

[perkam]

Classic line: I told you so.

Per clock it is 6% slower than Core2. Since I publically estimated K10 integer performance as 5% over K8, and Core2 is 20% better than K8, this sounds abour right when you take into account that you have relatively faster RAM here.

So I'm afraid my estimate is right and I'll be the only one to buy K10 :(Wouldn't it be wiser to hold on to the "I told you so" 's till the actual release ??

It's not even final silicon.

Perkam

[Shintai]

doubtful that you'll be the only one since Cray has an order for a couple million of them...

I´m sure Cray wants the HTT part. Raw performance in itself is not as usefull as one might think in that segment.
And Cray do not want a couple of millions of them. Thats yet another of your wierd statements. The number Cray wants is counted in 1000s. not 10000s of CPUs. But 1000s of CPUs. A couple of million CPUs would be more Opterons than AMD might even make in a year!

[nn_step]

I´m sure Cray wants the HTT part. Raw performance in itself is not as usefull as one might think in that segment.

Cray says they want absolute best performance only... And thus has been their motto for the last 4 decades

[Shintai]

Cray says they want absolute best performance only... And thus has been their motto for the last 4 decades

Where did the millions of CPUs go nn_step? I just wonder since Crays yearly revenue is something between 600 and 750million. So are they now a AMD CPU distributor that sells nothing but the CPU?

Cray have been failing more and more each year. Unless a declining revenue is a good thing.

[nn_step]

Where did the millions of CPUs go nn_step? I just wonder since Crays yearly revenue is something between 600 and 750million. So are they now a AMD CPU distributor that sells nothing but the CPU?

Cray have been failing more and more each year. Unless a declining revenue is a good thing.

Law of diminishing returns, the more high end you go the less demand. Not everyone can afford to buy a $20 Million Supercomputer

[eXceededgoku]

Brother Esau,
Huh?
HD2900 may be a dissappointment to the tiny minority of hardware enthusiasts but speaking in sales HD2900 is nothing but a gold mine for DAAMiT. They'r selling tons of cards due its low price.

yeah right... I'm a diehard ATI fan and i still haven't bought one... I'm not stupid :S

[uOpt]

Wouldn't it be wiser to hold on to the "I told you so" 's till the actual release ??

It's not even final silicon.


I doubt they can even make a working chip that isn't close to the final architecture. Plus as I said, reviewing the actual list of new architecture features affecting integer performance I found that 5% more than K8 is realistic. So when a number supporting it comes in I'm more inclined to take it as real.

What I need is the most cores cheapest, so for me the low per-clock speed isn't a problem. That is particularly true if the power consumption is as low as stated.

[ahmad]

yeah right... I'm a diehard ATI fan and i still haven't bought one... I'm not stupid :S

Actually I agree with largon. I myself am quite surprised at how many cards they have sold so far.

I will buy one.. as soon as I see a review with 7.5 cats.

Back on topic, 1.6ghz and 813 in cinebench seems really good to me for initial samples, but maybe I am optimistic.

AMD has done a few things right, but I think they need to look for something other than barcelona to compete with whats available now. They are getting to be almost as bad as intel was back in the days of hyperthreading and long pipes.

[Shintai]

Law of diminishing returns, the more high end you go the less demand. Not everyone can afford to buy a $20 Million Supercomputer

Yet the market for super computers is expanding. But hey, those millions of CPUs Cray buy in a quarter have to go somehere right? Away to fairy land they go with you.

[v_rr]

Please back up that statement with proff. There seems to be no shortage of cards, so tonnes? no. Also its not even competeive with 8800GTS anymore in price. Then add noise and power consumption.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122018
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102097

640MB 8800GTS is 50$ cheaper!

Face it, the 2900XT is a huge failure and AMD is rushing 2950 in to save not only the failure, but also the economic aspect of it. And 400$ cards dont make much of the market, specially not when nVidia have been there for 6+ months and you come with something inferiour and more expensive.

Also the goldmine? Thats the RV610/RV630 segment. Not the R600/G80 one.

So, for you a card is selling well only when there are shortages? :down: :rolleyes:
That make absolutly no sense.....

And Newegg is only making money with the cards. They raise the price if the card is selling well. It´s an automatic system that do that. In 24h after the launch they raised 30 euros in relation to the original price.
And that high price for 2900XT in newegg only show that the card is selling a lot.

If you want here is a HD 2900XT selling for 365 euros:
http://www.f13pc.pt/loja/detalhes.php?id=2038
And the cheaper 8800gts 640mb cost 385 euros (in the same shop). More expensive....

In Germany you can pick a 2900XT for 333 euros.

And in lots and lots of other countries is appening the same. As far as I know Newegg do not represent all world..... so don´t take a capitalist online shop that the only interest is to make money at all cost like neweeg as example to the hole world. That hould be arrogant....

This for a card that performs better and comes with a game pack (Black-Box) that in retail cost 40$.

Failure can only be on your mine.... the card is very good for it´s price.

[nn_step]

Yet the market for super computers is expanding. But hey, those millions of CPUs Cray buy in a quarter have to go somehere right? Away to fairy land they go with you.

there is a massive gap between expanding and large.
For example selling 2 units instead of 1 unit a year is a 100% expansion of sales but that doesn't directly compete with the millions and millions of Desktops and standard servers when it comes to volume...

[AbelJemka]

So, for you a card is selling well only when there are shortages? :down: :rolleyes:
That make absolutly no sense.....

And Newegg is only making money with the cards. They raise the price if the card is selling well. It´s an automatic system that do that. In 24h after the launch they raised 30 euros in relation to the original price.
And that high price for 2900XT in newegg only show that the card is selling a lot.

If you want here is a HD 2900XT selling for 365 euros:
http://www.f13pc.pt/loja/detalhes.php?id=2038
And the cheaper 8800gts 640mb cost 385 euros (in the same shop). More expensive....

In Germany you can pick a 2900XT for 333 euros.

And in lots and lots of other countries is appening the same. As far as I know Newegg do not represent all world..... so don´t take a capitalist online shop that the only interest is to make money at all cost like neweeg as example to the hole world. That hould be arrogant....

This for a card that performs better and comes with a game pack (Black-Box) that in retail cost 40$.

Failure can only be on your mine.... the card is very good for it´s price.
:up:

[Clairvoyant129]

Please back up that statement with proff. There seems to be no shortage of cards, so tonnes? no. Also its not even competeive with 8800GTS anymore in price. Then add noise and power consumption.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122018
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102097

640MB 8800GTS is 50$ cheaper!

Face it, the 2900XT is a huge failure and AMD is rushing 2950 in to save not only the failure, but also the economic aspect of it. And 400$ cards dont make much of the market, specially not when nVidia have been there for 6+ months and you come with something inferiour and more expensive.

Also the goldmine? Thats the RV610/RV630 segment. Not the R600/G80 one.


I don't think it's a failure as you mention but I don't think its very competitive with Nvidia's offerings. It has some nice features but it was mostly hype with no show. Most tech sites do agree that the 8800GTS 640MB is a better value.

[Jimmer411]

From the looks of things it appears to match conroe clock for clock. Honestly I think this is MUCH better than beating conroe by 30% across the board. Remember the good old days with the P4 and the XPs when one would clock high and do better in encoding, but the other clocked lower and was better in games? Or when there wasent a clear winner. With conroe being so much better than A64 its just ridiculous that people cant speak AMD without getting Intell'ed to death with flaming responses.

Besides, right now its like watching the Lakers or Bulls play against the local highschool varsity team. Id rather watch 2 equally matched teams compete head to head, less drama.

I dont think there is much more room for performance improvements in the CPU and the GPU areas. It went from a MHZ race then to a multiprocessing race. 1GHZ was a milestone as was 64bit and dualcore, I believe that the next one isnt going to be some suprise 30% perfomance boost over the competition like conroe was, but instead will be the union of GPU and CPU as one.

Now lets see some $300> quads!

[ahmad]

From the looks of things it appears to match conroe clock for clock. Honestly I think this is MUCH better than beating conroe by 30% across the board. Remember the good old days with the P4 and the XPs when one would clock high and do better in encoding, but the other clocked lower and was better in games? Or when there wasent a clear winner. With conroe being so much better than A64 its just ridiculous that people cant speak AMD without getting Intell'ed to death with flaming responses.

Besides, right now its like watching the Lakers or Bulls play against the local highschool varsity team. Id rather watch 2 equally matched teams compete head to head, less drama.

I dont think there is much more room for performance improvements in the CPU and the GPU areas. It went from a MHZ race then to a multiprocessing race. 1GHZ was a milestone as was 64bit and dualcore, I believe that the next one isnt going to be some suprise 30% perfomance boost over the competition like conroe was, but instead will be the union of GPU and CPU as one.

Now lets see some $300> quads!

It is a few distinct members that choose to wage holy wars on those who say anything positive about AMD. Those individuals manage to find special areas of my heart.

[theteamaqua]

hooray more cpu z / task manager screenshot with no benches, and hooray to the 1.6GHz vs 2.5GHz rumor

yeah umm been reading some of u say it matches conroe clock for clock .. but i dont see any benches on dailytech ...


640MB 8800GTS is 50$ cheaper!



WRONG !!! notice that egg link u gave says that 8800GTS is 329 after rebate .. so 8800GTS is $80 cheaper ...'

:)

[Shadowmage]

It is a few distinct members that choose to wage holy wars on those who say anything positive about AMD. Those individuals manage to find special areas of my heart.

You do know that Intel employees frequent these boards as well, right?

[v_rr]

WRONG !!! notice that egg link u gave says that 8800GTS is 329 after rebate .. so 8800GTS is $80 cheaper ...'

:)

That only show how weak 8800gts 640mb are selling on that shop. Promotions to get ride of it and people get them....

[alfaunits]

This is a Barcelona thread, stick the video stuff somewhere else - get a "Flame war" room or something;-)

[oohms]

Hmmmm...

I was hoping for really awesome performance, not just conroe matching performance... Especially since yields will probably be low considering the astronomically huge die size :shrug:

[savantu]

Where did the millions of CPUs go nn_step? I just wonder since Crays yearly revenue is something between 600 and 750million. So are they now a AMD CPU distributor that sells nothing but the CPU?

Cray have been failing more and more each year. Unless a declining revenue is a good thing.

Make that under $200m this year ( Cray hovers between 180-300m )

[Shintai]

Make that under $200m this year ( Cray hovers between 180-300m )

Ye, must be some cheap supercomputers. Or maybe they just give away free hardware to sell the Opterons nn_step dreams they gonna buy this year. :ROTF:

Now that aside, the only real thing that is left is how high AMD can clock K10. If they can do over 3Ghz on the top model its not as bad as it looks. But they would be better of if they could reach 3.5Ghz to compete with Intel. For the serverside it might look alittle better due to HTT, but that is rapidly diminishing with quad FSB system before CSI in the middle/end of 2008.

If they roughly match clock for clock, then a 2.4Ghz K10 will end around 266$ on the desktop/1S servers. Not exactly a big moneymaker.

[ahmad]

You do know that Intel employees frequent these boards as well, right?

I do now..

I didn't recognize you after you got rid of your avatar.