Vista DRM is F***in Killin Me....

[Kunaak]

god I hate vista....

seems every goddamn time I have to do something with vista, it gets worse, and worse. theres never a solution... and its always bad.

now...

I cannot access any content on dozens of discs I have.

photos, video, raw footage, raw pics... music...

anything, thats a form of media, seems to be blocked.
after pissing around with a idiot at MS for 2o minutes... heres what I found out.

media, burned to a disc, that was not burned in Vista, cannot be played back in vista or accessed.

:mad: :shakes: wheres the middle finger smiley? I need that right now...

if I could have reached through that phone, I would have strangled that guy the second he told me that, cause I knew it was something ridiculous like that.

man, every time I feel sorta ok with vista again...
something happens to elevate my hate of vista to uncontrollabable levels.
I cannot believe that I am expected to use this OS as my main OS for the next 5 years.
sure... I can stick with XP.
but I am a gamer... I want DX10.
no vista, no DX10.

but GODDAMN.... I wanna just find the MS parking lot, and just take a bat to every car there.....

I hate vista....
I hate vista....
I hate vista....
I hate vista....

[dicecca112]

what format are the files, I have a ton of files, and nothing has ever balked from vista

[dnottis]

I agree - I f*ckin' hate Vista too!

[bazx]

media, burned to a disc, that was not burned in Vista, cannot be played back in vista or accessed.


so a presentation with audio and say a movie clip made in xp wont play in vista?


or is it just ripped music

[eXceededgoku]

why do I not have any of these problems?!!? I've had Vista since before launch... I've been playing illegally acquired music on it since I've had it. I've managed to use discs that are burnt from XP of episodes of lost as well... Have you tried downloading a new codec pack???

[MrToad]

media, burned to a disc, that was not burned in Vista, cannot be played back in vista or accessed.

While I'm not a great Vista fan (to say the least), that sounds to me like CCB (Call Centre Bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:).

Basically means "Sir, I don't have a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing clue on why you're experiencing this problem, but I'm not allowed to admit I'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing clueless, therefore I'm going to give you some preposterous excuse so we can all move on and I can answer my next call."

It works quite well. People in general don't realize they've been force fed with a lot of good old rubbish until they've put the handset down. Which is, of course, what all this is about.

Edit: Man, I'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sick of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing bananas. For :banana::banana::banana::banana:s sake, put some :horse:, or :wierd: or something...

[mdzcpa]

Its posts like this, and the scores of other countless complaints, that keep me and my Vista Premium box far apart. I know not every user experiences problems, but c'mon now, the trouble reports seem endless.

I want directx 10 as well. But, I crunch media and work as much as I game, and there is no way I can risk the down time. I've never hesitated to upgrade any hardware as much as I have avoided this OS install.

Good luck Kunaak. Thanks for reminding me why I haven't bothered to install Vista yet.

[MrToad]

I've never hesitated to upgrade any hardware as much as I have avoided this OS install.

For different reasons, but we are in the same situation.

I've two licenses of Vista Ultimate x64 in the cupboard, right behind me. But after dealing with Vista on a day in day out basis at work, they have little chances to make it to my private computers.

Perhaps after Service Pack 1...

However, I still think that the explanation the OP had regarding his issue was "pre-scripted reply 3a", or, in plain English, bollocks.

[dinos22]

that's gay

i haven't tried that


looks like it's time to buy a cheap ass 500GB drive and stick everything i have on there lol cause everything accesses of HDDs properly for me

[mdzcpa]

However, I still think that the explanation the OP had regarding his issue was "pre-scripted reply 3a", or, in plain English, bollocks.


I think you are right on that as well. It makes no sense that a generic comment that media not burned in Vista is unreadable in Vista could be right. The tech is obviously a bonehead, and the phone lines are likely crammed with similar issues.

The real nasty part is that Kunaak is having a problem and who the hell knows what it could be. I just do not want to suffer the same fate.

[Kunaak]

I have no idea what the problem is...
I've spent a hour on google, searching for any form of "disable vista CD content check", mixing up the words... trying to look into hackers sites, delving deep into pirating sites... anywhere.
I dont care anymore about whats legal with vista.
if I have to crack things in vista, that microsoft doesnt want me to do... to get a functional OS... from now on, I am gonna.
I just dont care any more.
vista is so damn bad, that I will take any solution I can find, no matter where it comes from, even if that means hacking the OS to do it.

my last major blow out with vista, was, when I tried to get HDDVD's to play... only to find that vista will not allow you to play a HDDVD on a screen thats not HDCP... which for me, means they expect me to buy a new screen just to be able to watch movies... that I paid for.
I just bought this LCD last summer... a dell 2005 FPW... and now vista says its not good enough?
oh hell no.
hacking is becoming my new hobby, cause vistas so damn bad, that often the solutions are not exactly something MS wants you to do.
did I get HDDVD's to play on my OS, without having to buy a whole new LCD?
yep sure did.
was it legal?
probably not.
do I care?
hell no.
if this is the kinda thing I have to resort to, to get a functional OS... then thats what I am gonna do.
I am tired of trying to find solutions with MS, on how to fix various problems.
thier solutions always seem to either require me reinstalling XP... or buying some new hardware that I dont need.

with the media problem... I havent found a solution yet.
but I do have a few good leads now...

what I can say, is when media is blocked, you can easily see it.
what happens is... you can check the properties of the disc, and see that say 4 gigs of data is burned to that disc... but you cannot access the disc at all. vista says nothing is there.
upon putting the discs in my friends laptop yesterday... all discs are fine.

then do something like put in my copy of fear... which also is a DVD.. and explore the disc... and then everything shows up just fine....

also, download some movie trailers... burned them in vista, with nero 7.6... explore the disc.... they work just fine.

so the drive... and discs are all fine.

I just cannot access any form of media, that I burned over the last few years... unless it was burned with Vista.

god I hate vista....

[crossg]

@Kunaak. You could give this (http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B314060&x=12&y=13) a try.(Run Guided Help) It's for XP but works with Vista as well becuase the filters are the same in the registry. I had the same issues until I ran it. Might help and it might not.

[XSAlliN]

For now I'm ok with XP, but if I was to go Vista - I would Strip that OS to Win2K level - same as I did with XP. I used to think high about DX10 - now that I saw that was most theory and in real time demos sux, big time, I'll pass.

I find real stupid moving to Vista for DX10 on 32 Bits version. If I don't find any alternative I might be forced to go with Vista - 64 Bits Version that is. But that will happen when 64 Bits applications will be something common. :up: :D

[[XC] riptide]

If you want games. Just get a seperate drive for Vista games. Everything else stay with XP. Done.

[Papu]

my friend had the exact same problem with XP , i burnt him some music heroes and open office , right click properties .....data burnt 3.2 gigs ..explore dvd drive empty as rosie o donnels plate....now im not one to complain but its not a vista problem i burnt it using xp he was running xp...ironically he then popped the dvd into a VISTA laptop and Booom files magically appeared? this sounds like Ms hating BS tbh

2 friends of mine installed vista recently , not a problem atall..

[C'DaleRider]

I've been using XP Pro and Vista Ultimate on the same hard drive....and both see stuff burned under XP without any issues at all. Opened movies, clips, music....all sorts of things I burned to DVD/CD under XP....with Vista and they all open. Have had no issues at all so far.....guess I must be one of the lucky ones. :)

[ak_47_boy]

For some reason they decided to lock out s/pdif audio and component video :down: Component is the only way i can run my computer to my projector (long cable). Besides, component video was always the winner in quality too. No s/pdif? :eek: Their is no other half decent audio output that exists, for hifi anyway.

Vista SP1 is already out, vista has more holes than XP did that this stage. Not to mention being bloated and buggy.

But on the other hand there is many improvements. We just have to rely on m$ to fix bugs and hackers to fix drm.

[FatRakoon]

I got Vista Biz and hated it for a few reasons. Due to all my whining like a byatch, my mum and wife went halves and bought me Ultimate... Nothing chages.

Right, from the off... This is what happens..

You install. Everything goes perfect, btu you enter a username and password, it goes off does some stuff then crashes... You have to go back to that part and enter another user and password - it wont let you use the first one cos thats in use, so you have to have a second one, and no choice on that.

I have tried to keep both users, kill off the first, and kill off the second to cure some of the issues I have but nothign helps.

Now, The Desktop crashes with various errors... Most of the time its rock solid, but when it crashes, I have not managed to find out a reason even though it has crashed at least 100 times now in the few short months I have dared mess with it.

My creative cards all cause some problem or other, my Raid Card ( only used as IDE ) crashes on its first install, and the Vista drivers DOTN WORK FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT, but the XP ones work just fine.

I use FAH but can I get it to run in Vista? - can I fuks like, not without running them by hand and Im married so I do enough by hand these days without having to run each client too!

Games... Bloody hell, the number of games and apps that dont work is a shock too... Sure enough, a number that shouldnt work do in fact work just fine so I suppose its swings and roundabouts.

The problem with Vista I find is that many people bought it, and dont actually use their PCs to the fullest and most will probably not see much issues with it, but I like to use it to do anything and everything and I find it crashing like a stock car and I have asked for help of various issues I have had with it on OCUK, and do I get any help?

Anyway, I have once again, removed Vista from any of my PCs and I am free of it.

I stil have not tried it on my Gigabyte DS3 & Conroe and I have resized my C: to 20 GB to accomodate it ( I usualy only have a 7GB C: you see cos I install nothing but Windows on C: ) and I will be trying it sometime, but what scares me, is that another issue I have found with Vista is that ANY Partition that Vista phuqs about with, becomes absolutely useless for XP afterwards...

For example, my 400GB in the Neo2 when I got rid of Vista, had a 300GB and an 80GB Partition on it, and XP saw it just fine, and could indeed read and write to it as normal... But, Partition Magic 8 would not touch it and the Disk Manager also saw the whole drive as BAD. This has happened on every drive that Vista has either created partitions on, or has resized one.... Only way I have found that you can fix them, is t omove everythign off the drive to another, then kill off the partition table totally and then re-create the partitions after a restart.

So, Im a bit iffy cos my DS3 is my main PC with 4x500GB HDs as my C: and E: ( RAID 0+1 ) and 2x400GB as D: and F: ( Striped ) so its a lot of data to work through and backup first.

Oh, by the way, I frking hate Vista too!

[CandymanCan]

I know this isnt a solution, but why dont you duel boot vista/xp ?

Thats what i did for along time on windows 98se and xp when XP was new. Some older games and stuff on 98 wouldnt work on XP

[Kunaak]

I gave up on asking MS for help, and just went for a pirates solution.

theres a certain irony, when the only people that seem to know how to make vista work... is pirates.

[linflas]

I hate to say it Kunaak you are right.

I came to this conclusion much earlier than you, 3 days after Vista's launch I realized the OS and I were never going to see eye to eye on legal terms. So you and I are using many of the same, shall we say, "workarounds" to make the OS actually operate as it should.

I buy what I use, I do "trial" many full versions, if it deserves my dough I support it by purchasing.

Piracy has always meant to me in the world of media and computing the theft of intellectual property with a purpose for financial gain.

Many things I have ended up purchasing I never would have unless I tried it first, a full version, not some half baked trial version.

Just my 2 cents about piracy, intellectual property rights, and just pretty much the reality of the world we live in.

[SoberWarlock]

The first day I got Windows Vista (Home premium 32bit) I was kind of excited. I loved the way it looked. Then when I installed all my stuff and opened up xfire, I have to go through this very useless annoying pop up asking if I want to allow it. Ofcourse I want to allow it right. Now I have to do that with pretty much all the programs I run now.

[Cracker]

I've been resisting Vista so far and this thread is underscoring it for me.

I'm a gamer and I know all the new games are gonna try and aim for DX10 but they better run in DX9 and XP too or I will just stick with games that do or buy a stupid console. They've gone way too far with all of this DRM nonsense.

[CandymanCan]

I hate to say it Kunaak you are right.

I came to this conclusion much earlier than you, 3 days after Vista's launch I realized the OS and I were never going to see eye to eye on legal terms. So you and I are using many of the same, shall we say, "workarounds" to make the OS actually operate as it should.

I buy what I use, I do "trial" many full versions, if it deserves my dough I support it by purchasing.

Piracy has always meant to me in the world of media and computing the theft of intellectual property with a purpose for financial gain.

Many things I have ended up purchasing I never would have unless I tried it first, a full version, not some half baked trial version.

Just my 2 cents about piracy, intellectual property rights, and just pretty much the reality of the world we live in.


Haha you too ? I just finished installing Vista Ultimate Trying it out, the install process was kinda slow, driver support seems to still suck such a Creative not having the software that they have for XP to adjust my surround sound speakers and such.

Other then things like that Vista doesnt seem any diff from Windows XP besides it looking a little diff. Speed wise it feals like XP, i have to "dl" and install Halo2 to see how it runs.

The thing i dont like about vista is how much of a memory hog it is. I have 2GB of ram and the damn thing is already using 30% of it just from booting up. Turned off that stupid sidebar which was using like 100 mb, need to do a few other tweaks but everything seems fine.

One question tho guys, Is it ok for me to use the same storage Partition im using for XP to install games and stuff on ?

Xp is on my Raptor, Vista is on a 2 split partion on my 160 gig drive its about 21gb, i have 10gb free. So obviously i need to use the other Partition on my 160gb for storage which has about 80 gigs left. I just made a folder "Program Files 2" for vista Xp is on Program Files 1. I just hope what iv done doesnt slow Vista down lol. Is a system rating of 5.3 any good ? Its saying that my Video card is 6.0,my cpu at 5.3, memory is 5.9, HDD is 5.3


To tell you the truth tho i like Vista Ultimate better then XP, at least for now. So when i get the cash I'll probly buy it


Btw what is DRM ?

[Frostbyte]

DRM is the acronym for Digital Rights Management, basically the RIAA and MPAA's attempt to copy protect music and video files. Ther eare also many ways to hack this (check out doom9 and programs like QTFU to get around some of the issues, and last month's MaximumPC had a pretty good article on how to rip your own non-drm tagged content.)

You can use the other partition without overwriting anything. They both should be NTFS.

Also, there is a good deal on a WD 500GB internal drive for ~$115 @ NuevoHuevo, which is a highly viable alternative and gives a ton of space for music and video.

[lawrywild]

I love Vista.

[CandymanCan]

DRM is the acronym for Digital Rights Management, basically the RIAA and MPAA's attempt to copy protect music and video files. Ther eare also many ways to hack this (check out doom9 and programs like QTFU to get around some of the issues, and last month's MaximumPC had a pretty good article on how to rip your own non-drm tagged content.)

You can use the other partition without overwriting anything. They both should be NTFS.

Also, there is a good deal on a WD 500GB internal drive for ~$115 @ NuevoHuevo, which is a highly viable alternative and gives a ton of space for music and video.



Oh yea 500gig. Sounds good, i needed to replace the HDD in the PC i built my mom her's died, so i couldj ust give her the 160 gig one then. Thanks

[linflas]

The thing i dont like about vista is how much of a memory hog it is. I have 2GB of ram and the damn thing is already using 30% of it just from booting up. Turned off that stupid sidebar which was using like 100 mb, need to do a few other tweaks but everything seems fine.



Actually the RAM usage of Vista is much better than XP, the way it uses it is different, Vista cache's the most used Applications and such as you use it more often, so memory usage will continue to rise the more you use it, but that is fine, that is the way it works, as soon as you open a program that requires more memory than is available, Vista will dump the cache and open it up for other uses.

This is actually very handy for office and normal internet and such, it just dumps all of it the moment you open Photoshop, or a game or something, so do not worry about memory usage, let it do it's thing, it will actually speed things up.

[thecoldanddark]

For some reason they decided to lock out s/pdif audio and component video :down: Component is the only way i can run my computer to my projector (long cable). Besides, component video was always the winner in quality too. No s/pdif? :eek: Their is no other half decent audio output that exists, for hifi anyway.

Vista SP1 is already out, vista has more holes than XP did that this stage. Not to mention being bloated and buggy.

But on the other hand there is many improvements. We just have to rely on m$ to fix bugs and hackers to fix drm.

Umm no, Vista has way less holes at this stage, I don't know how you came up with that. Vista sp1 has not released yet either.

[DreamWalkerLT]

About the monitor not supporting Hi-Def content, this has been known about for quite a while. It's not Vista, it's HDCP. The MPAA and Intel came up with HDCP and MS included it in Vista because if they didn't make Vista HDCP compliant, then no one would be able to watch HDCP protected content at all. Basically, all the parts (HD-DVD, Video Card, OS, DVI cable and Monitor) have to be HDCP compliant. If any of those are not compliant, no Hi-Def. The MPAA is to blame here. They think you are going to plug your DVI cable into some non-existant device to record their precious movies and distribute them in their HD glory.

Shortly before HDDVD's and Blu-Ray's came out they said they weren't going to enable HDCP for years until many people had compliant devices, but they lied. Anyways, try using a VGA instead of DVI, I haven't really heard if it works, but HDCP is supposed to be ignored over an analog connection, you might be able to get 1080i.. Not sure though.

I have also heard something about Vista's default CD-burning mode is some Vista-only format, so discs burned from Vista, by default can only be read by Vista. I think I read it over at Hardocp's 30 days with Vista..

[irev210]

Kunaak,

I think you are singing the wrong tune here.


Microsoft doesnt force DRM solutions onto consumers. If you are trying to play copyright material that you do not have proper rights to play, it wont play.

Example is your lack of HDCP. That is not a Vista problem, or a Microsoft problem. Vista just supports the usage of such DRM solutions.

Try to play your HD-DVD on a windows XP or linux OS and you will end up with the same problem. No HDCP compliance (requires HDCP video card and monitor) = no playback of encrypted high-def movies.



While I share in your frustration, shout your concerns about DRM to the movie studios and record labels, not vista.


About your media problems - Myself and dozens of others have absolutely no problem playing back all media formats that are not secured by some form of DRM. Your media probably wont read because of other reasons, not because of copyright protection schemes.

[Kunaak]

it is forced on me...

I bought my HD DVD Drive.
I bought my HD DVD Movies.
I bought my Vista.
I bought my Dell 2005FPW.

I have the right to play it... its mine, it should play.
thats all there is to it.
I dont care about record lables or pirates or anything else.
its mine, it should work.

[justin_c]

did you find a fix? IMHO, i bet its some stupid default feature that has been ticked in vista that causes this trouble.

some ideas:

eliminated udf compatibility
hidden files and such
some random crap about joliet formatting mt. rainer?
did some quick googling and couldn't find anything.

best of luck.

and i agree. :banana::banana::banana::banana: vista. screw those who designed vista. screw those who wrote the code.

[leoftw]

I have no idea what the problem is...
I've spent a hour on google, searching for any form of "disable vista CD content check", mixing up the words... trying to look into hackers sites, delving deep into pirating sites... anywhere.
I dont care anymore about whats legal with vista.
if I have to crack things in vista, that microsoft doesnt want me to do... to get a functional OS... from now on, I am gonna.
I just dont care any more.
vista is so damn bad, that I will take any solution I can find, no matter where it comes from, even if that means hacking the OS to do it.

my last major blow out with vista, was, when I tried to get HDDVD's to play... only to find that vista will not allow you to play a HDDVD on a screen thats not HDCP... which for me, means they expect me to buy a new screen just to be able to watch movies... that I paid for.
I just bought this LCD last summer... a dell 2005 FPW... and now vista says its not good enough?
oh hell no.
hacking is becoming my new hobby, cause vistas so damn bad, that often the solutions are not exactly something MS wants you to do.
did I get HDDVD's to play on my OS, without having to buy a whole new LCD?
yep sure did.
was it legal?
probably not.
do I care?
hell no.
if this is the kinda thing I have to resort to, to get a functional OS... then thats what I am gonna do.
I am tired of trying to find solutions with MS, on how to fix various problems.
thier solutions always seem to either require me reinstalling XP... or buying some new hardware that I dont need.

with the media problem... I havent found a solution yet.
but I do have a few good leads now...

what I can say, is when media is blocked, you can easily see it.
what happens is... you can check the properties of the disc, and see that say 4 gigs of data is burned to that disc... but you cannot access the disc at all. vista says nothing is there.
upon putting the discs in my friends laptop yesterday... all discs are fine.

then do something like put in my copy of fear... which also is a DVD.. and explore the disc... and then everything shows up just fine....

also, download some movie trailers... burned them in vista, with nero 7.6... explore the disc.... they work just fine.

so the drive... and discs are all fine.

I just cannot access any form of media, that I burned over the last few years... unless it was burned with Vista.

god I hate vista....

Damn dude you sound like one frustrated person in reality this is what drives people to go with the Pirate solution . I never had that choice I just went with the pirate solution . Turns up MP3 player :P

[irev210]

it is forced on me...

I bought my HD DVD Drive.
I bought my HD DVD Movies.
I bought my Vista.
I bought my Dell 2005FPW.

I have the right to play it... its mine, it should play.
thats all there is to it.
I dont care about record lables or pirates or anything else.
its mine, it should work.


Its not forced on you. I can release a movie format that requires you to call india and enter in a 20 digit key code for a new activation number every time you decide to watch my movie format. Will anyone buy it? NO, but in good ol USA, both the creators and consumers have a choice.

Nobody said you had to buy any of that, and Vista is not the reason why your HD-DVD movies wont play.


Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems

[mdzcpa]

Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems


If the shoe fits....

The reason "Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems" is because in many cases Vista is the problem. MS snuggling up with all the content providers to impose buggy DRM measures is not a good thing. Most pirates can work around the crappy DRM schemes anyway while the non-pirates are frustrated. Not smart business. And MS isn't helping.

When the content providers finally give up their outdated economic models and learn to deal with intellectual property in the digital age, then we will finally get somewhere. Current DRM schemes are a kludge only slowing the development of a better way. MS is just a henchman for outdated DRM advocates.

[irev210]

If the shoe fits....

The reason "Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems" is because in many cases Vista is the problem. MS snuggling up with all the content providers to impose buggy DRM measures is not a good thing. Most pirates can work around the crappy DRM schemes anyway while the non-pirates are frustrated. Not smart business. And MS isn't helping.

When the content providers finally give up their outdated economic models and learn to deal with intellectual property in the digital age, then we will finally get somewhere. Current DRM schemes are a kludge only slowing the development of a better way. MS is just a henchman for outdated DRM advocates.


I agree with your statement about content providers... but tell me, what does Vista do to prohibit the playback of any non-copyright protected media?

I think vista gets blamed because they see it as the end-all be-all for DRM. "Oh well, I upgraded to windows Vista so I could watch HD-DVD, but Vista doesnt let me!" When in fact, it isnt vista that is preventing him, but HDCP... which has nothing to do with Vista.

Plug your cable box into your Dell 2005FPW LCD via HDMI or DVI and you will be given an error "HDCP Auth failed"

I can guarantee you your cable box runs no form of Microsoft Vista OS on it.


Please dont confuse my position about DRM solutions, but dont blame the wrong people responsible for it. Focus your attention on Movie studies, content providers, record labels, etc. Donate $ to the EFF (electronic fronter foundation). Last year alone I donated over 300 dollars to EFF.

[Machinus]

The only real solution is to dual-boot or have one machine for real life, and the other for the games that require DX10 to work.

1998 - monopoly on business software
2007 - monopoly on gaming API
2012 - ???

[Knight]

Shouldn't there be cracks, patches, or hacks out in the wild so we can watch HD on a non certified monitor? What is stopping the use of these

[linflas]

Be careful where this thread is heading. Dangerous ground.



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[[cTx] Nooc]

Umm no, Vista has way less holes at this stage, I don't know how you came up with that. Vista sp1 has not released yet either.

Lol I just remembered...the whole buffer overflow fiasco

[thecoldanddark]

Lol I just remembered...the whole buffer overflow fiasco

Do you mean the cursor bug where you had to turn off UAC and IE7 protected mode?

[i found nemo]

god I hate vista....

seems every goddamn time I have to do something with vista, it gets worse, and worse. theres never a solution... and its always bad.

now...

I cannot access any content on dozens of discs I have.

photos, video, raw footage, raw pics... music...

anything, thats a form of media, seems to be blocked.
after pissing around with a idiot at MS for 2o minutes... heres what I found out.

media, burned to a disc, that was not burned in Vista, cannot be played back in vista or accessed.

:mad: :shakes: wheres the middle finger smiley? I need that right now...

if I could have reached through that phone, I would have strangled that guy the second he told me that, cause I knew it was something ridiculous like that.

man, every time I feel sorta ok with vista again...
something happens to elevate my hate of vista to uncontrollabable levels.
I cannot believe that I am expected to use this OS as my main OS for the next 5 years.
sure... I can stick with XP.
but I am a gamer... I want DX10.
no vista, no DX10.

but GODDAMN.... I wanna just find the MS parking lot, and just take a bat to every car there.....

I hate vista....
I hate vista....
I hate vista....
I hate vista....

dude, lol i'm so f:yepp: :rofl: :ROTF: :p: n' sorry. is dx-10 really worth it? like better fps, have you used a dx-9 bench and dx-10 bench to test the difference in gain +%- ?

[Jimmer411]

I like vista on my laptop so far, but I have not migrated it over to my desktop yet. So I havent really had any issues with DRM, but then again I dont use any HD-DVD or Blue Ray disks.

So far every MP3, AVI, JPEG etc has worked flawlessly in vista for me. But then again I keep all my software/pics/movies backed up on HDDs on USB external enclosures, as opposed to DVD/CD...


I still think this whole HDCP thing is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. There is no reason why anyone should have to buy a new monitor/tv and video card just to watch the movie that they dont even own (you own the disc, but have no rights) just to make up for the short comings of the record and movie industry. Music and movies just arent what they used to be, entertaining.

[mezcal]

While I don't have the particular issues that Kunaak mentions I must say that Vista is underwhelming for me.
I ran it from rtm to Jan before giving up in disgust with the driver issues back then. After a recent overhaul of my garage box I decided to try again and see how things were progressing.

Driver situation is better though hardly great-particularly with less than new hardware. Power management is the major issure atm for me. Cool and quiet does not work at all and my nvidia gpu fan runs full bore at all times. MSI's crack motherboard tech support team continually informs me that I must download and install the latest cool and quiet drivers for that to work properly. (I'll leave you all to determine the validity of that response-I don't want to go off on a rant like my Alaskan brother :) ) The gpu issue is well discussed around the web also.

Bottom line is that this box, while it DOES work just fine, is probably drawing 3-4 times the amount of electricity as it would if I dumped Vista and installed XP or Ubuntu. This is hardly ideal since it's on most all the time-and almost exclusively web surfing and/or playing music. Nothing cpu or graphics intensive at all.

I do not own any protected media to play on the box and have no intention of acquiring any.
I also have no interest in the DRM-fest that is HD-DVD and/or Blue Ray except perhaps as a better portable backup medium in the future-not likely unfortunately.

Direct 3D 10 may develop into something-sometime-or not :shrug:
Superfetch seems like a very good idea. I'd like it for XP.

Other than that (with regard to Vista) there's really nothing to see here.

I don't believe it is a coincidence that both Allchin and Gates decided that now seemed like a good time to walk away.

[Chocolate Pi]

Something is obviously wrong here, since countless people including myself have zero problems playing back any sort of content on Vista that they could on XP or any other OS. I can't think of a single reason case where Vista would restrict content that can play on an unprotected platform, and I know my Vista has played every media file I've thrown at it fine, no matter where they came from, for over half a year since RC2.

Kunaak is obviously not an incompetent PC user, but I very much doubt that whatever is causing these issues is the "big bad buggy bloaty DRM monster". Everyone talks about how horrible this beast is, but I haven't seen him in my copy of Vista at all, not even a RAM footprint or a blurry photograph of an error message. Do my media files smell funny, does he not like bothering them? Or was Microsoft just kind enough to give me a special version of Vista without it?

[zsamz_]

only and best solution is dual boot not worth the agravation:mad:

[Lome]

OMG an os that knows what to do with more than 256 megs of ram and doesnt swap everything to disc

linus save us!

[shmaa]

Something is obviously wrong here, since countless people including myself have zero problems playing back any sort of content on Vista that they could on XP or any other OS. I can't think of a single reason case where Vista would restrict content that can play on an unprotected platform, and I know my Vista has played every media file I've thrown at it fine, no matter where they came from, for over half a year since RC2.



I'm not having any problems either... this is a DivX movie I burned on a CD in 2002..... reads and plays just fine on my girlfriend's Vista box.... :shrug:

http://www.cas.uc.edu/~smithmd/drmwhat.JPG


The same goes for all my other burned content.

[apexracing]

What's the big deal with Vista anyway? No-one is forcing any of you to use it, if it's as bad as you claim OEM XP Home is what, maybe $85 now. Run a dual-boot or just get rid of Vista completely if you hate it that much.

All this whining is pathetic, if you don't like Vista, then don't bloody use it. The choices are there. :rolleyes:

[Tortel]

it is forced on me...

I bought my HD DVD Drive.
I bought my HD DVD Movies.
I bought my Vista.
I bought my Dell 2005FPW.

I have the right to play it... its mine, it should play.
thats all there is to it.
I dont care about record lables or pirates or anything else.
its mine, it should work.

You just stated most everyone's greatest hatred of DRM. I mean, it should just always work.

If you payed for it, why should you be limited?
If you didnt, why the hell would you keep the DRM?

[Greenberg]

What about hardware developers that are forcing you to use Vista by not releasing XP drivers for there Notebooks!

Vista is way to fresh *caugh*SP1*cough*, let the Underground use it for a bit make programs that will let you disable all the new rubish it offers and tweak it so it will work the way you wont it to work...

[Mudkips]

I know you are fustrated but the real enemy for the HD-DVD/Blueray is the movie studios. In order to build support for these formats Microsoft needs to follow a set of standards/licences set by the movie studios, HDMI™ group, HDCP group, CSS, etc in order to have a right to sell it legaly to consumers. Not only that but you need to have compatable hardware to use these standards too. Its not that Microsoft wanted to do it but it was the only way to legaly support HD content on their os.

This whole era of HD has been a mess, its confusing to consumers since they need to know what is compatable with what. As far as other media I havent have a problem, there are pleny of HD movies on the net stripped of DRM and some programs that will rip HD formats just like dvd. But I am staying away from any "media" that has DRM in it.

But you have a right to rant but just know who the real bastards are.

[rintamarotta]

There is one program that will make Vista 32 or 64 run any protected hddvd content.

But i think i cannot post here because in country where server is i bet there law that makes softwares that provide workarounds for copy and play protection technologies, are illeagal.

[SoberWarlock]

Damn dude you sound like one frustrated person in reality this is what drives people to go with the Pirate solution . I never had that choice I just went with the pirate solution . Turns up MP3 player :P

I dont get anything pirated I have the it the Legit way, expensive but I just dont want to have anything illegal.

[ludeboy12]

haha this thread is funny. Too many people on the vista hating bandwagon seem to be confused over who they should be blaming. Blame the studios if your equipment isn't fully HDCP compliant.

I for one have had no problems playing any content on vista ult 64 here.

[Monkeywoman]

I personally have a pirated version of vista and DAM its sweet. I seriously have gigs of music which I listen through iTunes and watch my many gigs of movies with Nero and some with vlc and DVX. I have had no problems with vista yet (knock on wood) i get all the updates and my drivers are fine. U just have to work around Microsoft like a prostitute, no kissing; just sex.

[Haltech]

Kunaack, if you want my version, let me know.

[Haltech]

http://www.venomousmofo.com/pictures/vista/vista.jpg

[zanzabar]

i have vista be with the vista be developers edition from school and it has no drm, but it is missing a bunch of codecs, like the audio codecs for 320 bit mp3 files


and if u want to have no drm from hddvd or vlue ray just go and get dvd region free, its like $20 and it will let u change drm flags like allowing analog playback and full quality on unsigned devices, its also not a crack or warez file its a illegitimate piece of software


but once u get all of the codecs in vista works great, on both be dev and home premium

[imzjustplayin]

haha this thread is funny. Too many people on the vista hating bandwagon seem to be confused over who they should be blaming. Blame the studios if your equipment isn't fully HDCP compliant.

I for one have had no problems playing any content on vista ult 64 here.

No, How about we blame the studios, microsoft and all the other companies invovled for making up this HDCP bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: in the first place! HDCP is completely and totally unnecessary.

[IFMU]

What's the big deal with Vista anyway? No-one is forcing any of you to use it, if it's as bad as you claim OEM XP Home is what, maybe $85 now. Run a dual-boot or just get rid of Vista completely if you hate it that much.

All this whining is pathetic, if you don't like Vista, then don't bloody use it. The choices are there. :rolleyes:
Choices?
I cannot believe that I am expected to use this OS as my main OS for the next 5 years.
sure... I can stick with XP.
but I am a gamer... I want DX10.
no vista, no DX10.
Are you sure about that apexracing? Looks like a narrow choice to me, limit of 1.

as for the hd crap, I'm with Kun here, if I bought the crap to watch something, I should be allowed to watch it, period.

[b1lk1]

I know this doesn't help the OP, but I have no problems playing anything I have burned over the years on XP on Vista. That includes movies and music. Of course I do not use Media Player so I am not sure if that is the issue here, but Winamp plays all my music I aquired and burned over the years. It's hard to blame M$ about HDCP since that was jammed down all our throats by the movie makers, but it sure is sad that stuff just doesn't work, especially when it is legal......

I just installed CyberLink Power DVD (OEM came with a DVD burner) and it too has no problems playing any movies I burned under XP.

[Speederlander]

Eh, I have used Vista 64 for quite some time with none of these issues. All my old videos worked fine, along with pictures and music. Just had to download all the various codecs. :shrug:

[Axlegear]

Hate to break it, but all my Vista escapaes show Vista to be unreliable, crashy, and PAINFULLY slow. I don't mean 'a bit', I mean making a dual-core 2.8 GHz system with 2 GB PC5400 run like a fuggin' Pentium2 with 256 MB. It was ABSOLUTELY unacceptible.

M$ just suggested I buy a new computer. What, THAT isn't good enough!? What do you want, a quad-core 4 GHz system with 16 GB PC6400!?

[awdrifter]

After two hours trying to get :banana::banana::banana::banana: to run on Vista, I have to agree with the OP. Vista is the biggest pile of :banana::banana::banana::banana: that came out of MS for a long time. None of the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing programs are compatible with it. I tried for hours to disable the Vista nannies and road blocks hoping the programs would work, but after two hours some stuff still does work right (namely 1ClickDVD Copy Pro). So :banana::banana::banana::banana: Vista, unless every :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing DRM and restrictions are cracked, I won't be touching it even if it means no gaming on PC. I'll save my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing money and buy all three consoles.

[tiro_uspsss]

After two hours trying to get :banana::banana::banana::banana: to run on Vista, I have to agree with the OP. Vista is the biggest pile of :banana::banana::banana::banana: that came out of MS for a long time. None of the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing programs are compatible with it. I tried for hours to disable the Vista nannies and road blocks hoping the programs would work, but after two hours some stuff still does work right (namely 1ClickDVD Copy Pro). So :banana::banana::banana::banana: Vista, unless every :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing DRM and restrictions are cracked, I won't be touching it even if it means no gaming on PC. I'll save my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing money and buy all three consoles.

:D :D :D - wow u even changed ur avatar *thats* how pissed u r - *noted* :D:D:D :rofl: :up:

[Clint]

http://www.venomousmofo.com/pictures/vista/vista.jpg

:D :up:

[tiro_uspsss]

what i'd do to get a chance to suck all that off his hdd :D

[awdrifter]

:D :D :D - wow u even changed ur avatar *thats* how pissed u r - *noted* :D:D:D :rofl: :up:

Yea, I usually don't see a need for a sig or avatar, but in this case, it's needed. With Vista my friend's 1.8ghz Turion X2 feels slower than my single core 2ghz Athlon64 laptop. And all these incompatibility problems are just pissing me off.

[ak_47_boy]

DRM is a joke. It has to die, it cannot go on, it will die.

[Baleful]

While DRM does suck, i'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sick and tired of people complaining about incompatibility. It's not Vista's fault some of your hardware dosn't work, jump down the throat of your hardware vendor. MS dosn't have :banana::banana::banana::banana: to do w/ your crappy HW not working. If you're gonna :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about something, :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about the DRM or how slow Vista can be pre SP1. However SP1 fixes alot of performance issues soo.... i guess you're just left to complain about the DRM......

Funny thing is I havn't had 1 friggin problem with DRM yet and i've been using Vista ult/business pre release, and i'm managing 600+ Vista laptops and none of them have problems....

[dinos22]

how many guys that post in this thread actually get the joke that Kunaak made here heheheh

[Clint]

how many guys that post in this thread actually get the joke that Kunaak made here heheheh

Could you please share with me what the joke was, coz it surely looks like he meant it to me.

[imzjustplayin]

Baleful;2610973']While DRM does suck, i'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sick and tired of people complaining about incompatibility. It's not Vista's fault some of your hardware dosn't work, jump down the throat of your hardware vendor. MS dosn't have :banana::banana::banana::banana: to do w/ your crappy HW not working. If you're gonna :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about something, :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about the DRM or how slow Vista can be pre SP1. However SP1 fixes alot of performance issues soo.... i guess you're just left to complain about the DRM......

Funny thing is I havn't had 1 friggin problem with DRM yet and i've been using Vista ult/business pre release, and i'm managing 600+ Vista laptops and none of them have problems....

Vista has nothing to do with compatibility huh? let's see, your hardware installs fine in Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP machines perfectly fine, you install it into a vista machine and then it stops working or has reduced functionality. This is the hardware's fault? How? Vista was made AFTER the hardware was made. It IS vista's fault for not working with already existing software and hardware. We all know why vista is so incompatible, it's because vista is trying to protect their DRM schemes by locking out certain applications and hardware devices from the kernel, that is vista's fault, not the hardware manufacturer's fault. :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing idiot.

Imagine making a physics processor intended for Windows, and then all of a sudden microsoft says ":banana::banana::banana::banana: it!" we're going straight to the linux kernel, we don't like the NT kernel. Now your physics card doesn't work with this new version of windows because it has a linux kernel and was designed around the windows kernel, are you telling me that it is entirely the manufacturer's fault that they couldn't predict exactly what microsoft was going to do? That is completely asinine...:mad: :rolleyes:

I :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing hate all these "haters" who rag on manufacturers for making hardware/software that is incompatible with microsoft's future products. It is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing absurd to assume that it was simply "bad programming/design" for the reason why things don't work with newer operating systems/service packs. If anything, these are great designers, because it shows they care and they worked diligently in optimizing their software and hardware to the specifications SETFORTH by microsoft. So when microsoft changes THEIR OWN parameters for what IS and ISN'T acceptable to run/do within succeeding operating systems, leaving software/hardware high and dry, can you really blame these manufacturers? NO! It isn't their damned fault that microsoft has setforth specifications for their operating systems that are contradicted at a later date with a system update or OS upgrade now is it?

The only reason why a program or hardware device can be so compatible with a newer operating system is not because it is "SO good, so properly done", no.. The only reason it could work is because either the manufacturer had to rewrite all their drivers again because microsoft can't make up their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing mind or because their drivers initially were so unoptimized, that it didn't execute instructions that the newer OS would consider "illegal instructions" due to its conservative programming. So basically you're advocating inefficient hardware and software development in order to anticipate microsoft's next move.

An example of this is the ATI Rage Fury Maxx, everyone hates this card because it works fine in Windows 98 but not in Windows 2000. You can't say they did a bad job of developing this card at all, if anything they made something that wasn't really possible, possible. The only reason why this card doesn't work (2 GPUS utilized) in 2000/XP is because Windows 98 allowed for more low level access, Windows 2000 and XP don't so much, vista is reduced much much further. That's all it is, reduced low level functionality. Programs that don't work with newer OS's don't work simply because they're optimized at a low level which increases program performance. However because there are TONS of programs written, the ones that use low level access are the ones that if done improperly can take out a machine and therefore microsoft ended up saying "no more this or that function starting NOW!" which :banana::banana::banana::banana:s up anything made before that declaration. I understand why microsoft did what they did and I accept for the most part what they did with Windows 2000 because that DID end up improving system stability, but with vista, it seems their only goal is to lockdown YOUR system and control YOUR system to how THEY want to. They WANT DRM they want you to NOT beable to bypass it and therefore it is in their best interest to lock down their operating system and be able to control it to their demands.

Just seeing microsoft's ability to brick XBOX360s should prove beyond a doubt that their intentions are anything but "pure". I used to hate apple exclusively, but since microsoft has become just like apple, possibly worse, I equally hate both of them now, which is sad IMO.

[Kunaak]

Could you please share with me what the joke was, coz it surely looks like he meant it to me.


I did.

and I still stand by my old solution.
you want vista to work good... start cracking it.

the only hassle free way to get past the DRM is the pirates solution.
it aint pretty... but I'd rather have a functional OS, then a crippled one.

[Truckchase!]

Man this thread is an off topic hailstorm.

What, EXACTLY, are you having problems playing back? I've got 10+ years worth of movies, music, etc, that I have zero problems playing back... I don't understand the issue here.

As for HD-DVD; that has nothing to do with Vista. The behavior would be the same in XP. (before anyone chimes in that you can playback in XP, check your output resolution, it's not HD) The fix is AnyDVD HD. ( http://www.slysoft.com )

[Ace-a-Rue]

i have vista 64 installed in a dual boot with XP SP2...i use XP for my main applications that are not compatible with vista...vista has definite draw backs and frustrations.

i have a 8800 GTS...tried to install the latest nvidia driver for vista 64...when i do that, i lose functionality like i can't get in the control panel the normal way and can't access the system properties...fortunately, i did a restore point before installing the nvidia driver...reason i knew to do that, i had already installed the freaking 64 bit OS 3 previous times because of losing this functional control.

the OS is really trash IMO!...maybe the 32 bit is slightly better towards working with apps...but all this BS that i read in the thread has further convinced me that i wasted my money in buying a "genuine" vista disc!

in fact, I LOVE THE MAC commercial where "PC" has a woman press agent who deciphers's PC comments about vista; like going back to XP which is referred as upgrading!...LOL:D