EK R600 FC blocks

[zbogorgon]

There will be two versions, a normal one and one for us and picture say more than thousand words so :D

normal version, fluo red top and normal acryl top
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6174/03tr9.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4647/04ko8.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5946/05fk6.jpg


and Xtreme version, acetal - delrin top
there will be two ways of flow (on same block):
- parallel for lowest restriction possible, and non GPU side will be little more restrictive, so most of the flow will go on the GPU side.
- successive for most Xtreme.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5412/01kv4.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8383/02db2.jpg


If all goes to plan, I will have first test samples in few days, so stay tunned for results.

[NysoO]

The last delrin-block looks so massive, NICE! :D

[eXceededgoku]

Yes Please!

[jabski]

waiting to make order :)

[MetalZone]

The delrin one looks impressive! I see you widened the channels and made 'hydrofoils'(ala fuzion) to reduce flow restriction. Nice ideas.

[Petra]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8383/02db2.jpg

:eh:

All that just to put some water over a few GDDR3 chips? The level of absurdity is right up there with water cooling your motherboard's power regulators :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

:eh:

All that just to put some water over a few GDDR3 chips? The level of absurdity is right up there with water cooling your motherboard's power regulators :rolleyes:

nobody forces anyone to buy a fullcover block over a GPU only block.
Dito for watercoolin the motherboards power regulators.

its a choice people make cause they want a few degrees less or a lil more bling etc.

:p: btw u own a shop u make money of of those people.

[_G_]

:eh:

All that just to put some water over a few GDDR3 chips? The level of absurdity is right up there with water cooling your motherboard's power regulators :rolleyes:

that may be true for ati's current offering but this block may be built around future thermal requirements later in the 29xx series.

[IanY]

Great design. If only they can design something like this for Nvidia. One set of barbs for the gpu only, and anothers et of barbs for flow to everything else. This way there will be the best of both worlds... looks and xtreme performance.

[Petra]

that may be true for ati's current offering but this block may be built around future thermal requirements later in the 29xx series.

Eventually, they'll be switching to GDDR4 (which should run even cooler, though nn could correct me if I'm wrong there) and, if they bump the onboard memory to 1GB (as Sapphire seems to have planned for the 2900XTX), then this block likely won't be compatible anyway. My point was that adding that whole extra assembly to water cool the memory on the back of the card is pretty ridiculous (and it certainly doesn't future-proof it in any way). You aren't likely to see a substantial performance difference between the two models of the block but there probably will be a substantial price difference.

[Aqua-Pc's]

They look great!

[_G_]

maybe Ek has a template to future card layout (most likely under nda) and theres no major changes coming up (same number of higher density memory modules) who knows this early this early on but you're right about current memory not needing anything more than a heat spreader.

[p8ntslinger676]

the second one is overkill, no one will need it. Even if i had the money, i would never buy it.

[SaFrOuT]

the red one will look nice on the red pcb of the card

[zbogorgon]

when overclocking 2900XT, first think you noticed, that with 900MHz on GPU, the card is mem bandwith starved, so you gain a lot for every 10MHz on GDDR and few for every 10Mhz on GPU, so performance wise, there is really no need to focus on GPU cooling except you convinced me that you gain absolutly nothing with watercooling mem

don't forget that Ati Tool will eventually allow quite high voltages and cooling will come in handy.

if you are not fan of FullCover block just buy ordinary one, if you think dual sidded cooling is overkill, buy single sidded. There are lots of things on the market that are pure overpriced overkill, X6800, 8800Ultra, 1200 C4 rams and so on.

I think Xtreme version looks fenomenal and I am just dying to try it.

[ranker]

when overclocking 2900XT, first think you noticed, that with 900MHz on GPU, the card is mem bandwith starved, so you gain a lot for every 10MHz on GDDR and few for every 10Mhz on GPU, so performance wise, there is really no need to focus on GPU cooling except you convinced me that you gain absolutly nothing with watercooling mem

don't forget that Ati Tool will eventually allow quite high voltages and cooling will come in handy.

if you are not fan of FullCover block just buy ordinary one, if you think dual sidded cooling is overkill, buy single sidded. There are lots of things on the market that are pure overpriced overkill, X6800, 8800Ultra, 1200 C4 rams and so on.

I think Xtreme version looks fenomenal and I am just dying to try it.

The blocks have the aesthetic appeal, but seriously, you're going to kill like 4 PCI slots with those things. I hope those blocks and future blocks will be slimmer in profile. I can barely fit my X-Fi as is and I've been waiting a while to throw in a Draft N card as well but can't.

[zbogorgon]

2 slots to be precise, as stock cooling, but I don't ses the point here, there will be slim, 1 slot design too !

[SparkyJJO]

nah you won't kill that many PCI slots. I can see this taking up a slot above and slot below the card, but there really isn't a slot above the card (for the topmost PCIe slot anyway).

[ranker]

nah you won't kill that many PCI slots. I can see this taking up a slot above and slot below the card, but there really isn't a slot above the card (for the topmost PCIe slot anyway).

I stand corrected, and revise my estimate to 3 slots: The slot to the bottom of the top most card, and the slots adjacent to the bottom video card for those of us running SLI/Crossfire.

[ranker]

2 slots to be precise, as stock cooling, but I don't ses the point here, there will be slim, 1 slot design too !

So the back side of the waterblock won't interfere with a PCI card mounted in an adjacent PCI slot?

[serialk11r]

Great design. If only they can design something like this for Nvidia. One set of barbs for the gpu only, and anothers et of barbs for flow to everything else. This way there will be the best of both worlds... looks and xtreme performance.

Awww IanY you don't like meh leet idea? :P I guess its not xtreme enough for you.

[zbogorgon]

So the back side of the waterblock won't interfere with a PCI card mounted in an adjacent PCI slot?

you've got sth better for your CF system, then go for it

[ranker]

you've got sth better for your CF system, then go for it

This isn't for my personal system. As much as I prefer GPU only blocks, I'm not adverse to using FC blocks. In fact I love EK products (even though I love giving you a hard time on occasion :D ). I build systems for various friends, family, and co workers. I just put in a large order for EK blocks so I'd like some piece of mind: 4 EK FC's for 8800GTX, 2 sets of EK 680i EVGA and 2 sets of EK NF4 1.1 chipset blocks.

One of my coworkers is asking for an R600 build so I'd like to know this information in advance so I can make the best decision for the rest of his components. The eVGA board only has 3 pci slots. If the back protrudes too much that I can't use at least two of the slots, then I'll have to get back to him on either cutting out his WiFi card or his X-Fi card.

[Pete]

WOW!!!!!! I like a lot. I'd defo by the Xtreme version, acetal - delerin top. It's a shame that both sides are covered and you can't see in, be pretty cool if he did them in fluo red or clear as well so you can see it flowing.

Any ideas on ETA?

[zbogorgon]

This isn't for my personal system. As much as I prefer GPU only blocks, I'm not adverse to using FC blocks. In fact I love EK products (even though I love giving you a hard time on occasion :D ). I build systems for various friends, family, and co workers. I just put in a large order for EK blocks so I'd like some piece of mind: 4 EK FC's for 8800GTX, 2 sets of EK 680i EVGA and 2 sets of EK NF4 1.1 chipset blocks.

One of my coworkers is asking for an R600 build so I'd like to know this information in advance so I can make the best decision for the rest of his components. The eVGA board only has 3 pci slots. If the back protrudes too much that I can't use at least two of the slots, then I'll have to get back to him on either cutting out his WiFi card or his X-Fi card.

when I get the sample I'll picture everything so you'll have all the info you need, I also have CF config right now. If you need as much slots as you can, you can still use normal, single slot version. Also there will be new much shorter fittings for CF/SLI middle connection.

[ranker]

when I get the sample I'll picture everything so you'll have all the info you need, I also have CF config right now. If you need as much slots as you can, you can still use normal, single slot version. Also there will be new much shorter fittings for CF/SLI middle connection.

Thanks for the heads up.

[BeeN]

Looks awesome

[Vice]

Very nice

[Origin_Unknown]

the extreme block looks ace... a nice silver version is whats needed me thinks ;)

[peebee]

Any good news?

[Caffeinated]

Superb :D

[SP1]

Shorter fittings as in a shorter barb zborgorgon?

[zbogorgon]

SP1 indeed

[ColonelCain]

The acetal top version looks sweet. I still love the pic that mccoffey took of his 8800 with an EK block. That gained me a new respect for full cover blocks.

[Jedda]

I'd be a fair bit more inclined to consider a double sided full cover if there was some modularity built in offering the chance of matching either side to a future development.
I've kind of expected PCI-E daughter expansion boards to appear, for a while now. Guess there must be some barrier to the idea.

[deathman20]

Looks nice. Even the full block version because surely those mofets should be cooled by something either way you want to look at it since they can get damn warm.

[zbogorgon]

just assembled

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2827/46159870pt1.jpg

[Polizei]

Beautiful. :slobber: :slobber:

[BooStFeD]

just assembled

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2827/46159870pt1.jpg

SexY!!!!! :shocked:

Can't wait to see results TEST TEST TEST!!!! :D

[phelan1777]

I have to say, they are damn sexy blocks.

[zbogorgon]

and with perfect contact, pressure from both sides really flatens the card (I forgot to reapply the paste on one IC)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2397/92163707yu1.jpg

[eXceededgoku]

that's what I like to see :D

[Polizei]

You have it set up for parallel correct? What are the chances that you run a test in parallel and one in series? Not that Im buying the block/R600 yet, it would just be interesting to see a difference, if any.

[MaxxxRacer]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8383/02db2.jpg

holy crap.. now THAT is a waterblock.

[Jedda]

Must weigh a bit?
With a horizontal mobo, it'd keep the card in it's PCI-E slot.

[ranker]

That thing is massive. Like others have asked, will the weight be too much?

Also, what's the cost on the block?

[MetalZone]

Wow... overkill but who cares... it looks awesome.

[zbogorgon]

fully mounted card weights aprox 1.37 kg

I think some support will be needed, if mobo is not horizontal

[jabski]

what kind of support are you think of zbogorgon ??

[zbogorgon]

maybe some straps or a stick?

a while ago, when I had a case I needed some support cause tubes strained graphic card downwords and AGP slot wasn't in the best of shape

[zbogorgon]

previous weight was for non-watered block, with water in in, full weight is 1.55 kg

I tested vertical position, it shouldn't be much of a problem, there were no noticable tension on socket or any kind af bennding

although when transporting, it would be wise to arrange some support.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6615/3105071455tu2.jpg

[dinos22]

great work there man :clap:




Eventually, they'll be switching to GDDR4 (which should run even cooler, though nn could correct me if I'm wrong there) .

from what i've seen it ran hotter for some reason :confused:

[zbogorgon]

more pics

top and bottom from Xtreme version
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6398/27299459tm0.jpg

both tops, left extreme, right normal
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8851/73377399uc2.jpg

for parallel flow (left), for successive flow (right)
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/219/13432435na2.jpg

spacers for more controled mounting
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2041/24314016gd4.jpg

[cadaveca]

Those look great...would love to see a crossfire set on MY desk...:lol2:

[Yozzman]

Wanna see temps :D

[zbogorgon]

temps are great, have in parallel mode right now
these are idle temps, water temp is showing 27.0°C, I'll try to post some load temps, but reall load temps are hard to show, cause window apps don't trigger 3D Mode, and Ati Tool and RivaTuner doesn't work

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3749/idletempsbd7.jpg

p.s. mosfet temps are a bit high right now, I am using 1.5mm thick thermal pads, final version is going to use 0.5mm

[ranker]

previous weight was for non-watered block, with water in in, full weight is 1.55 kg

I tested vertical position, it shouldn't be much of a problem, there were no noticable tension on socket or any kind af bennding

although when transporting, it would be wise to arrange some support.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6615/3105071455tu2.jpg

Wow, that looks great. I'd love to see the results now.

Btw, I assume that by using this block BOTH the top AND the bottom PCI slots would be blocked from use?

[Solarfall]

well the block looks just beautiful, like pretty much all EK blocks do..

zbogorgon would you happen to know, does acetal - delrin come in other colors other that black.. a bright red derlin top would look pretty nice on a ATI block imo ???

[Jedda]

well the block looks just beautiful, like pretty much all EK blocks do..

zbogorgon would you happen to know, does acetal - delrin come in other colors other that black.. a bright red derlin top would look pretty nice on a ATI block imo ???

:D
You don't read through the thread much, huh?

[Petra]

from what i've seen it ran hotter for some reason :confused:

:eh: Really? That's...interesting.

Anyway, 1.55kg (~3.4 lbs.)? This just keeps getting more and more hilarious :rolleyes:

[zbogorgon]

:D
You don't read through the thread much, huh?

delrin is only dark brown, but there will be fluo red acrylic top

@ranker, i'll hook you up with more detailed pics, just as I promised, the way I see it, if I convince Eddy to sink all screw in delrin, uper slot could be usable for thin devices, like controler or sth

[Solarfall]

:D
You don't read through the thread much, huh?

i know about the red acrylic version and was asking is there any other derlin colors :rolleyes:

zbogorgon so only dark brown ( to me it looks black but what do i know) thats too bad.

[eXceededgoku]

:eh: Really? That's...interesting.

Anyway, 1.55kg (~3.4 lbs.)? This just keeps getting more and more hilarious :rolleyes:

You don't like this block do you Petra?

[Petra]

You don't like this block do you Petra?

:wasntme:


I don't have a problem with the regular one... If it's any consolation, I find the idea of a full-cover 8600 block more objectionable :rolleyes:

[zbogorgon]

It was kinda my idea for Xtreme blok, we are on XtremeSystems :yepp:

well here are some load temp, I just ran 3DMark05

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3715/loadtempsfq4.jpg

[eXceededgoku]

hmm would you be able to run tests on the standard waterblock to prove the need for the extreme block? Then Petra might agree with it more :D.

[zbogorgon]

you mean non-fullcover? you'll prob get better GPU temps with that, but overclocking it what counts, especially mem clocks and without Ati Tool and some voltage adjustments it's kinda pointles to do any kind of comparison.

[eXceededgoku]

So any results of improved overclocking?

[OCme]

Holy Water Blockzilla!!!

[Petra]

you mean non-fullcover?
No, he's referring to regular EK full-cover vs. this double-sided thing... and what's the deal with the EK CPU block that you have in that photo?

[zbogorgon]

No, he's referring to regular EK full-cover vs. this double-sided thing... and what's the deal with the EK CPU block that you have in that photo?

heh, it's early beta for testing only, this is the only one made

it's a year old now, i think

[migueld]

It looks sexyyyyyy but why can't EK aim for slim designs :(

[dinos22]

:eh: Really? That's...interesting.

Anyway, 1.55kg (~3.4 lbs.)? This just keeps getting more and more hilarious :rolleyes:

lol Petra take it easy

don't forget we mount GPU pots on GFX cards which way A LOT more than a whimpy 1.55kg lol :D

[Circaflex]

yea but gpu pots are with the mobo horizontal and the videocard upright, weight doesnt matter all that much. for someone running in a case, this could pose a threat.

[dinos22]

yea but gpu pots are with the mobo horizontal and the videocard upright, weight doesnt matter all that much. for someone running in a case, this could pose a threat.

yes but the card is secured on two sides

[qwerty69]

heh, it's early beta for testing only, this is the only one made

it's a year old now, i think

It looks sexy to me, so it's an EK afterall. :)

[Eddy_EK]

It looks sexyyyyyy but why can't EK aim for slim designs :(

Slim design - more flow restriction.
If you want slim restriction go for alphacool blocks :p:

[burton]

man those blocks look nice

[SP1]

Thats an interesting block zbogorgon.
Did you deliberately black it out to hide what is underneath?

[Cyprio]

Thats an interesting block zbogorgon.
Did you deliberately black it out to hide what is underneath?

I was wondering what that block was myself. I can see a small EK insignia on it...

[Eddy_EK]

Thats an interesting block zbogorgon.
Did you deliberately black it out to hide what is underneath?

The black area are jets made of delrin...

[Cyprio]

The black area are jets made of delrin...

... AND??????

:D

[zbogorgon]

this is very old design, there was a newer a few moths ago and even newer is comming, so forget about this block, but is't quite good my I add :D

[zbogorgon]

if you have a very thin device, top slot could be usable, Eddy also said that all screws will be sinked
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4576/23760123pw6.jpg

[migueld]

Slim design - more flow restriction.
If you want slim restriction go for alphacool blocks :p:

Eddy, it's possible to design slimmer blocks without affecting flow. Just consider the delrin tops for this block, they are too thick. The only reason you need this kind of thickness at all is for the fittings, however I've seen blocks that are only thick in the fittings area while the rest of the block is thinner. Also, the copper block can be made slimmer if you widen the channels, which is perfectly possible judging from your picts, there is lots of room.

I think a thinner block is possible; it may not be cheaper or easier to make, but I think it’s possible without extra flow restriction. And think about the advantages, you would save material, cheaper to users and more profit to you, lighter, and the possibility of saving extra PCI-slots.

It seems plenty appealing :yepp:

[\Karting_freak]

zbogorgon
is that a camera fault or i can see the card highly bent?

[zbogorgon]

bend where ?

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2372/untitledwp1.jpg

[\Karting_freak]

now it looks fine
just check the post 84 again. must be the angle of the photo causing this effect..

[dietwaterrr]

where r the picks of the single slot one??!!

[Crazystang01]

So any word on the time frame when these waterblocks will be released? Liking the red acrylic blocks for my crossfire.

[zbogorgon]

where r the picks of the single slot one??!!

So any word on the time frame when these waterblocks will be released? Liking the red acrylic blocks for my crossfire.

soon

[I34z1k]

Soon? :P I need one. Any ideas on the price, cause importing is gonna kill me :(

[fhpchris]

Eventually, they'll be switching to GDDR4 (which should run even cooler, though nn could correct me if I'm wrong there) and, if they bump the onboard memory to 1GB (as Sapphire seems to have planned for the 2900XTX), then this block likely won't be compatible anyway. My point was that adding that whole extra assembly to water cool the memory on the back of the card is pretty ridiculous (and it certainly doesn't future-proof it in any way). You aren't likely to see a substantial performance difference between the two models of the block but there probably will be a substantial price difference.

Petra, GDDR4 isn't new, the X1950XTX had it, and it isn't really much cooler, when you run it at like 2.4v like I did it certainly isn't getting cooler.

Adding an assembly to cover the memmory on the GPU sounds like a full cover block to me...

[zbogorgon]

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8598/11nz4.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/9819/59741921wz1.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5050/98635668ri1.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4461/10tf6.jpg

[ranker]

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8598/11nz4.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/9819/59741921wz1.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5050/98635668ri1.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4461/10tf6.jpg

Will you be counter-sinking the screws like we had talked about?

Being able to use the PCI slots above would really help sell this card.

[serialk11r]

LOL I can already see people going "BUT THE RAM COOLING IS TOO SKIMPY!"

[eXceededgoku]

The ram cooling is too skimpy!





























sorry couldn't resist.. but yeah its looking good :D

[zbogorgon]

I think alu part of normal version will be slightly ribbed, with Xtreme you get fully watercoold rams, all of them :D

p.s. availability in cca 10 days

[jabski]

10 days and counting .....

[ranker]

I think alu part of normal version will be slightly ribbed, with Xtreme you get fully watercoold rams, all of them :D

p.s. availability in cca 10 days

Will the screws be counter-sunk?

[weihk]

if you have a very thin device, top slot could be usable, Eddy also said that all screws will be sinked
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4576/23760123pw6.jpg

:rolleyes:

[I34z1k]

WOOOOOT AWESOME!!! Any estimated price :P

[I34z1k]

So?

[weihk]

mmmm.......im waiting too.........

[Friedchicken]

I don't care how heavy or big it is... there are always trade-offs to performance. Everyone here knows this.

Now, if it doesn't have the stats to back up the design profile- then we have a problem.

I think we should hold judgement untill we see some 3rd party validation and perhapse some comparisons with other compeditors products.

[I34z1k]

Ya. Send me one :D I will even pay for it :P :D

[ranker]

Been waiting a long time for these. Eddie and Z kept on saying "soon' and I guess "soon" translates into 2 weeks+ :p:

[I34z1k]

Yea, I was told the 18/29 of this month :P :) O well, this country is having postage troubles for now so I am not complaining.

[Origin_Unknown]

sorry to bring up an older thread but...

the extreme block is not on the ek site? and is it possible to have a look in a crossfire system?

[Aqua-Pc's]

Hi guys we have these due to arrive monday, i think the extreme edition is onhold but im not 100% sure on that atm

[madg]

Hi guys we have these due to arrive monday, i think the extreme edition is onhold but im not 100% sure on that atm

that's very good news :)

[quake6]

Any result with normal version?And what about price,normal,xtreme?

[Eddy_EK]

Hi!

Extreme block in ont on hold, but just waiting for proper copper material (dimensions) to get it. Someone is screwing us with it's delivery. Otherwise everything is prepared to start making them as soon as we get the material. Hope that will be sooner then we go to 3-week holiday :S

[quake6]

How much :D?

[Origin_Unknown]

Hi!

Extreme block in ont on hold, but just waiting for proper copper material (dimensions) to get it. Someone is screwing us with it's delivery. Otherwise everything is prepared to start making them as soon as we get the material. Hope that will be sooner then we go to 3-week holiday :S



thanks for the info eddy.
Would you happen to have more than one block ready? (i.e. the test ones) so re can see how they will look in a CF loop?

[quake6]

Anything new,price,avability...?

[Aqua-Pc's]

See Here (http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=837)

[Jedda]

See Here (http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=837)

Glad to see someone is receiving EK stock.

[Jedda]

Eddy
Holidays! Oh no.
Are you having email problems?
I get no answers from you.

[Aqua-Pc's]

He's on holiday till tuesday this time

[Jedda]

Thanks. That explains the silence.