No Improvement from using PA120.3. Feedback Needed.

[irangan]

As the title of thread suggested, I obtained the same temp from using PA120.3 compare to my previous Black Ice Pro II. I not sure why is that. Did I mess up anything as I never use any Thermochill Rad before?

I dont know whether is this related. Anyway, I noticed that my new PA120.3 looks abit 'rusty'. The fins and inner parts of rad have those 'rusty' color. Is this normal?

Intially, I dont think there is no problem. So I proceed with those cleaning process. Using hot water to clean the rad and so on.

But the result that I obtained made me speechless.

My WC Setup (Single Loop):
1. Thermochill PA120.3 (Previously Black Ice II) ; Using Push; 3 Panaflo Fans; FBA12G12M 1BX
2. Storm Rev 2
3. MCP655
4. Micro Res

I am using an E6600 (OCed to 3.465ghz; stock vcore)

Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks ya.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

[serialk11r]

What CPU do you have? With not a lot of heat going through, you probably won't see much improvement :P Its when you start adding stuff, the good rads shine :)

[irangan]

I am using an E6600 (OCed to 3.465ghz; stock vcore)

I see.... Hmmm....

Thanks for your feedback, mate

[Envydia007]

Where did you buy it from? I just ordered a PA 120.3 myself, im upgrading from a black ice too. But im getting the fuzion to replace my storm rev 2.

[irangan]

I got it from Petra. Great services as usual :)

My new Fuzion is on the way too. Hehe

[Envydia007]

I got mine from DD because its out of stock at Petra. Are you using push or pull? What fans are you using?

[irangan]

I got mine from DD because its out of stock at Petra. Are you using push or pull? What fans are you using?

Using Push; 3 Panaflo Fans; FBA12G12M 1BX

[serialk11r]

Well at least you have lots of room for upgrades ;)

[Cronos]

Someone not so lazy as i am should make a sticky and describe the simple math behind the rads so that all the noobs could have some understanding what to expect from different rads.

[buffbiff21]

Wow.

PA120.3 is almost entirely unnecessary for just a CPU at 1.35 (stock?) vcore.

Try upping the vcore to about 1.6, then you should see improvement ;)

[Envydia007]

ok guys this is off topic, is there a difference between push & pull using yate Loons in a PA 120.3?

[serialk11r]

ok guys this is off topic, is there a difference between push & pull using yate Loons in a PA 120.3?

Pull is better on any rad but only by a TINY bit. It really doesn't matter.

[Envydia007]

ok thanks man. I hope mines going to be an improvement I just ordered 360$ worth of watercooling stuff and it will be a frustration not to gain any degrees.

[serialk11r]

ok thanks man. I hope mines going to be an improvement I just bough 360$ worth of watercooling stuff and it will be a frustration not to gain any degrees.

You will unless you're only doing CPU...PA120.3 is amazing, handles heat nicely. Your water temp will stay quite cool :) I don't have one but the charts say it all.

[Petra]

With not a lot of heat going through, you probably won't see much improvement :P Its when you start adding stuff, the good rads shine :)

He's also using 86CFM 120mm x 38mm Panaflo fans (static pressure++)... which, assuming that he was using the same on his BIP2, is just gonna make the difference between the two radiators smaller.

[ranker]

As the title of thread suggested, I obtained the same temp from using PA120.3 compare to my previous Black Ice Pro II. I not sure why is that. Did I mess up anything as I never use any Thermochill Rad before?

I dont know whether is this related. Anyway, I noticed that my new PA120.3 looks abit 'rusty'. The fins and inner parts of rad have those 'rusty' color. Is this normal?

Intially, I dont think there is no problem. So I proceed with those cleaning process. Using hot water to clean the rad and so on.

But the result that I obtained made me speechless.

My WC Setup (Single Loop):
1. Thermochill PA120.3 (Previously Black Ice II) ; Using Push; 3 Panaflo Fans; FBA12G12M 1BX
2. Storm Rev 2
3. MCP655
4. Micro Res

I am using an E6600 (OCed to 3.465ghz; stock vcore)

Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks ya.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

What's your ambient temps, idle CPU, and load CPU temps?

I just saw that you mentioning the purchase of a D-Tek Fuzion. With both combined, you'll see a drop in temps and you'll be able to run low CFM fans without a performance hit. No need to run a vacuum cleaner to get the temps you want. That's the best thing about the PA series.

[Envydia007]

@ranker, hey man this is going to be my setup tell me if its weak;
Laing D5- PA 120.3- DD 88GTX GPU- DTek Fuzion- and back to pump. I will use a DD res as a T-connection between pump and rad.
http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=190&cat=6&page=1

[quiet]

It's because the PA is only superior with low cfm fans, using high cfm fans will give you the same results.

Just kidding, I don't know anything. Don't flame me :)

I'm still waiting for a fresh PA120.3 off the production line before i'm buying one. Currently have a BIX360 and it's exceeded all of my expectations so far.

[ranker]

@ranker, hey man this is going to be my setup tell me if its weak;
Laing D5- PA 120.3- DD 88GTX GPU- DTek Fuzion- and back to pump. I will use a DD res as a T-connection between pump and rad.
http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=190&cat=6&page=1

I'm not a fan of DD stuff after half of their stuff leaks or caused leaks in my systems. DD bay acrylic reservoirs are notorious for leaking. I thought I'd have the magic touch to make mine not leak like many others. However, the slightest torque or the slightest amount of alcohol leaked onto the acrylic res and you've sprung a leak. DD's FC block for the 8800 is probably the most craptastic product they've put out. Just check yours for leaks. A large run had microfracture leaks leading towards a bunch of toasted systems.

Your setup looks great and should be able to hold its own against most things thrown against it. If you're looking to squeeze out some performance, I'd consider a DDC-2 pump w/ Petra's top.

[Envydia007]

the FC, I got this when it first came out, no reviews Ive read whatsoever, I cant reject this because it was expensive like 125 bucks. The EK came late.

[quiet]

@ranker

I have a DD FC8800 block, it hasn't leaked yet but i'm always watching for it. This thing scares me. I can't wait to change it out for the EK. *sigh*

[buffbiff21]

Pull is better on any rad but only by a TINY bit. It really doesn't matter.

It does matter. Even if slightly.

You want your fans drawing cooler air from outside the case like this:

(fear my Paint skills!!11)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9487/airfs6.png

[quiet]

You can push cold air the same way you can pull it, really there is no difference. I've tried push, pull and both ( with 6 fans and 2 shrouds ). Temps remained the same.

[tommyshango]

you know i thought about this problem the other day and i was thinking.. you draw cool air in to cool off the radiators.. but this heat is dumped on the internals of your case.. and then in return through convection it is turned into conductive heat that is intended to be externally cooled by convection again on the fans of your radiator.. but im drunk.. arent you just blowing more hot air onto the alredy hot components inside your case that you are trying to cool.. ill try to toss up some pics of what mine looks like and the directions of the fans and what not but .. im wondering about the total heat losss outside the case versus whta your dumpin right back in...

[Petra]

DD bay acrylic reservoirs are notorious for leaking.

From my dealings with a company that has done some experimenting with their acrylic bay reservoirs, the leaking may be due to the acrylic adhesive used in their construction being "attacked" by ethylene glycol--propylene glycol appears to be okay, though.

I haven't had a chance to verify this myself, though.

[ranker]

From my dealings with a company that has done some experimenting with their acrylic bay reservoirs, the leaking may be due to the acrylic adhesive used in their construction being "attacked" by ethylene glycol--propylene glycol appears to be okay, though.

I haven't had a chance to verify this myself, though.

So my pentosin was to blame? (with the exception of the leaks caused by the torquing of the barbs on the res which also resulted in micro fractures).

[Petra]

So my pentosin was to blame? (with the exception of the leaks caused by the torquing of the barbs on the res which also resulted in micro fractures).

Possibly, but the amusing part is that the MCT coolants that DD seems to push contain a good amount of ethylene glycol.

[ranker]

Possibly, but the amusing part is that the MCT coolants that DD seems to push contain a good amount of ethylene glycol.

It appears as if there's a booming business for ignorant people out there to buy these "snake oils".

With such a large profit margin resellers must love pushing this stuff. Take some distilled water, throw in some biocide, some anticorrosive, some UV dye, create a cool name and bam... 3$ worth of stuff is now sold for 30$ a pop.

btw, this is why I give you guys all the business I can: you guys don't stock crap or try to push crap =)

[buffbiff21]

^^ I think Petra's product descriptions are the reason I shop there.

like, read this:
http://www.petrastechshop.com/thpash.html

you draw cool air in to cool off the radiators.. but this heat is dumped on the internals of your case.. and then in return through convection it is turned into conductive heat that is intended to be externally cooled by convection again on the fans of your radiator

The heat is almost immediately expelled via the rear exhaust fan. Just dont undervolt the exhaust fan.

[Envydia007]

LOL, whats wrong with these people, j/k

[ziddey]

I think the most important question to ask here is, what are your idle/load temps??

[irangan]

I bought a PA120.3 because it is more future proof. I going to add more blocks in near future.

Room Temp: 33'C
Idle temp: 41'C
Load temp: 55'C

I did ran a some test on 1.6vcore and found the temp is the same for both of my rad. I starting to think that is it my mobo have some issues.

[ziddey]

considering your room temp, those temps aren't bad at all. and if that's with 1.6v, then those temps are absolutely phenomenal.

[Envydia007]

exactly, man are you in a desert somewhere? delta is less than 10 degrees on idle thats awesome already.

[irangan]

considering your room temp, those temps aren't bad at all. and if that's with 1.6v, then those temps are absolutely phenomenal.

The temp that i posted is for 1.325 vcore.

I forgot to record down the temp when runnign at 1.6vcore. But it is the same for both rad. :(

exactly, man are you in a desert somewhere? delta is less than 10 degrees on idle thats awesome already.

Haha... 33'C is considered cool in my country, Malaysia. At normal day, it can easily go up to 35'C as my room is facing the sun.

[pie_uk]

hey guys, i have an intel xeon 3060 and if i even considered pumping 1.6vcore my temps would hit 80c after 2 seconds using TAT.

my spec is >>

|| D-TEK fuZion || Thermochill 120.3 PA || Laing DDC-1 Ultra- Petra's top || EK-FCX1900- silver || EK-Multioption 200 res || Danger Den fill port || Tygon R3063 1/2" tubing


any idea what i am doing wrong? or is it simply just my processor.

right now i am on 1.2vcore and temps are 28 idle and 41c load. thats with 3 boogie bug fans running at lowest speed. i.e hardly any air flow whatsoever

[septim]

hmm ever considered your thermistor broke?

try lowering volts on your fans, if still same temps at fan reduced speed then you should see the difference and hear it as well...

oh and if you still have patience maybe a few remounts just to verify your nice temps... envy x3

[Envydia007]

@ pie_uk, at 1.6V what OC do you want to achieve? isnt that a chiller territory?
zup septim!

[pie_uk]

no its just i hear people pumping 1.5vcore or more and only loading at 55c etc if i put it to 1.5vcore my temps rocket to 67 74 or higher.

i managed to get 3.6ghz at 1.325vcore which is good. i didnt realise that i could oc that high on that small voltage.

was considering getting a C2D (4300) etc

but temps on auto are 22c idle and 40 load. seems as though its ok now.

i am going to be buying an MCW30 soon as the places on the net get them in stock :)

[Envydia007]

thats impressive OC with just 1.325V. mine can only get 3.2 with that volts.

[ziddey]

my e6400 runs hotter than most peoples as well. Maybe you should try lapping. I've done that and got about a 3-5'c drop in temps, btu still it's higher than most. Maybe the soldering of the die to the ihs isn't that good??

[Envydia007]

off topic, @ziddey, is that DFI P965-S a new MB? 500FSB is just wow!

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

it seems to me that you must have some block mounting issues this would explain why your temps don't change when the rads do

my PA120.1 idles my 6600 @ 3.71ghz + 1.400v 32-33C

ambient is 24C!

[irangan]

Thanks for all the feedback and advises. I think I already obtained the answer that I looking for.

Thanks again, guys..

[Friedchicken]

Where are you guys getting your fittings for your PA radiators? I just got 2 PA 120.3's and they didn't come with any. I do most of my shopping at performance-pcs.com if someone can point out the correct ones for my 1/2" system.

[ranker]

Where are you guys getting your fittings for your PA radiators? I just got 2 PA 120.3's and they didn't come with any. I do most of my shopping at performance-pcs.com if someone can point out the correct ones for my 1/2" system.

Do you shopping at Petras instead, you'll save more. I only buy stuff from Performance-pcs if I absolutely have to that I can't find at Petras.

You can get the aquaextreme fittings from Petras. I use them with all 3 of my PA's.

[Friedchicken]

Do you shopping at Petras instead, you'll save more. I only buy stuff from Performance-pcs if I absolutely have to that I can't find at Petras.

You can get the aquaextreme fittings from Petras. I use them with all 3 of my PA's.

Thanks Ranker. Some things are more expensive, but they have everything. I ship across the border and I would rather pay shipping on a couple boxes rather than 5 or 6 :)

I originally tried Petras, but somehow my order wouldn't complete. Shipping calculator only shows US destinations.

[ranker]

Thanks Ranker. Some things are more expensive, but they have everything. I ship across the border and I would rather pay shipping on a couple boxes rather than 5 or 6 :)

I originally tried Petras, but somehow my order wouldn't complete. Shipping calculator only shows US destinations.

Ahhh didn't know you were overseas. I'd give them a call if phone charges aren't ridiculous.

[Friedchicken]

Canada ;)

[v0dka]

you know i thought about this problem the other day and i was thinking.. you draw cool air in to cool off the radiators.. but this heat is dumped on the internals of your case.. and then in return through convection it is turned into conductive heat that is intended to be externally cooled by convection again on the fans of your radiator.. but im drunk.. arent you just blowing more hot air onto the alredy hot components inside your case that you are trying to cool.. ill try to toss up some pics of what mine looks like and the directions of the fans and what not but .. im wondering about the total heat losss outside the case versus whta your dumpin right back in...

I know what you mean.... I think :D

I have a similar setup as you describe, and as in the paint drawing a few posts up. It'se blowing the hot air from the rad into your case. However, testing has shown for me that it is better to get the cool air from outside the case. Makes a few degrees Celsius difference for the CPU (!)

But, maybe push / pull difference corrupted my test results. Im not sure.

[ziddey]

off topic, @ziddey, is that DFI P965-S a new MB? 500FSB is just wow!

ehh, this board's been a real pain to work with. I lost stability at 500, so I'm back at 8x450=3600. At least memory enhancements are still on fast, so 400+ isn't any slower