Nobody Likes Vista. Except 40 Million Users

[sladesurfer]

Reports of the unpopularity of Microsoft Windows Vista operating system are widespread -- and according to Bill Gates -- wrong. Forty million copies have been sold already, which is faster than the sales rate for Windows XP. That already exceeds the entire number of people using anything offered by Microsoft's main competitiors.

Someone's buying Vista. Forty million someones so far. Just not the people telling Dell what kind of Linux to offer that they won't buy anyway and posting "Vista is a bust" messages on Slashdot from an Apple laptop, I guess.

:) http://www.hothardware.com/News/Nobody_Likes_Vista__Except_40_Million_Users/

[p8ntslinger676]

Its ok, but still quite glitchy, but i can deal with that.

[virtualrain]

Vista makes XP feel like a joke after you've used it for awhile... I can't go back now even if someone forced me.

[Chocolate Pi]

I'm tired of the irrational Vista trolling. Seriously, though one might consider XP "tolerable", Vista is the first Microsoft OS that has ever actually been a quality, solid product. Fact is, Vista so far for me has provided better stability and faster performance than XP, which is what matters in an OS. Last night I was testing some Oblivion mods, which involved opening and closing a game that easily takes over a GB of RAM over and over. Once Vista caught on, it became VERY fast to start the game, many times faster than it ever could be in XP.

The GUI contains some welcome though minor improvements, but that should not be the focus when it comes to evaluating an OS. Security, stability, support, and speed are what matter; Vista is in many ways the first time Microsoft has ever been truly serious about any of those. It ticks me off that Microsoft actually DESERVES praise for a change, and the once-warrented bashing continues on as it always has.

[Mortal]

I held off using Vista 'cause I spent too much time reading about what was going wrong for people, instead of also reading the positive experiences other people were having with it. Finally I bit the bullet, installed Vista Ultimate 64bit and so far the only bad experience I've had has been due to a 3rd party vendor; nVidia with their 8800 drivers. Apart from that it's been a pretty easy migration.

So far, so good. ~knocks on wood~

[adamsleath]

yerp...ultimate upgrade has 32 and 64 bit versions included in the box....dint know that b4....thinking i'll upgrade with the 32 bit one ..then do a clean install of 64 bit a little later on;)

[AzraelDarkangel]

Lol, I noticed two completely opposite threads right now, this one is pro Vista, this other one is very anti-Vista:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=144549

[adamsleath]

yes; obviously gates is all sales pitch...and statistically i'm sure xp is still the majority windows os...

[Chewbenator]

Vista makes networking easier IMO. I wanted to transfer files from two XP computers a few days ago, spent 30 minutes banging my head against the wall, and like 2 minutes actually getting all the files across. With vista, 3 clicks and I see all the computers on my wireless network. If you are really seriously worried about the FPS you lose with vista you probably need a better computer. /minirant

[KoHaN69]

40 million including the sales of Dell's pre-installed shiet

Now how many retail boxes of the Ultimate edition were purchased by individuals?

MY guess <200,000

[SunFlowerSeeds]

Vista is great in multitasking... caching here a lot...

[p8ntslinger676]

well i really dont notice much of a framerate loss with my rig, so that is why i cant really complain about it, other than the massive ammount of mem usage at idle usually in the 700-900mb range with few programs running in the background:( so it seems i need another 2 gigs some time soon.

[DeathReborn]

Vista Ultimate 64bit user here. I like it but I still have a copy of XP, 98SE, NT 4.0 & DOS installed on various drives for guaranteed compatability with all my ageing software...

[BobyTT]

I have Ultimate x64 from day one. NEVER had any problems , very happy cusotmer.

[madcho]

I'm tired of the irrational Vista trolling. Seriously, though one might consider XP "tolerable", Vista is the first Microsoft OS that has ever actually been a quality, solid product. Fact is, Vista so far for me has provided better stability and faster performance than XP, which is what matters in an OS. Last night I was testing some Oblivion mods, which involved opening and closing a game that easily takes over a GB of RAM over and over. Once Vista caught on, it became VERY fast to start the game, many times faster than it ever could be in XP.

The GUI contains some welcome though minor improvements, but that should not be the focus when it comes to evaluating an OS. Security, stability, support, and speed are what matter; Vista is in many ways the first time Microsoft has ever been truly serious about any of those. It ticks me off that Microsoft actually DESERVES praise for a change, and the once-warrented bashing continues on as it always has.

Vista have a better prefetcher and better ability to use big size of ram.

Even with this, XP is actually more fast.

Vista is high priced, vista use drm, wga, and is the only one witch could use DX10, with dx10 hardware.

:down:

let's go opengl 3.0 with linux and let M$ die ;)

[ahmad]

Wow 40 million copies sold. Thats insane for just 5 months. Someone care to calculate microsoft's profits :)

[tam2]

A good software is a software that performs better and doesnt need higher hardware specs requirements
*dreaming*

-tam2-

[Daveb2012]

I have vista ultimate.. Im my top dresser, its not on my hard drive. I'm being serious of this, It just has no benefit for me besides the cosmetics.

[xlink]

Wow 40 million copies sold. Thats insane for just 5 months. Someone care to calculate microsoft's profits :)

around $4,000,000,000-$8,000,000,000 dollars

only reason I'm holding of on Vista is drivers. DAMN YOU 8800... DAMN YOU. DAMN YOU.

I'm waiting for nVidia to get the :banana: out of their arse and to get some decent Vista drivers. And for the 640mb 8800GTS to fall to around $300(or for an 8900 to launch)

[XS Janus]

IMO everyone who is against Vista is being irrational. It's in your future weather you like it or not, so you might as well switch to tit as soon as possible and learn how to use it righ NOW.

6months from now everybody will use, talk and test stuff exclusivly on Vista and then where will you be...

[adamsleath]

40 million sold doesn't mean 40 million happy customers :hehe:

but i agree with janus..its inevitable for me...just not too bothered about it atm...and like you say 6 months from now there will probably be a service pack out for vista.

[turbox997]

I thought Vista had a bunch of Privacy issues?

And DRM restrictions were strictly enforced on it.

Amoung other features that screwed users over, knowingly or unknowningly.

[safan80]

Vista is still a PITA in my book. I'm running vista ultimate at the moment. One thing that I like about vista vs other versions of windows is the text rendering in vista is a lot better.

[Roy_M]

Vista came on my new C2D IBM laptop with 2 GB of ram. It took about 15 mins to actually get into the system for the first time. This was followed by 45 mins of installing updates and rebooting. Following this, the OS was running so slowly it was practically unusable.

I was so frustrated I poped in my Kubuntu CD and was browsing the web while it installed the new OS (Ubuntu boots like a live CD then installs everything).

I know my experience is probably far worse than most but I would rather use windows 98 than go back to Vista. :down:

[zodden]

LOL who cares how many units they sold. Thats the sign of a quality product? So the clueless person who needs a new computer goes into best buy is going to know about the issues we argue about over here? Its certainly not 40 million enthusiasts buying Vista thats for sure.

I had Vista going for 3 weeks. I have the 32bit and 64 bit home premium DVDs on the shelf now as I have gone back to XP. When creative puts out some good drivers (and they made announcement last week they are coming) and a few more Nvidia 8800 driver versions come out then I will go back to vista. My experience with Vista was painful due to immature drivers.

I liked the look and feel of Vista and of course its in everybody's future-but the future does not have to be today. I would rather wait a few months till some good 2gbx2 DDR2 kits that OC well come down in price and then put Vista64 on with 4gb of memory

[Thorry]

Vista does make XP look like a joke.

Vista's stability makes me think back of the W2k days, it's just solid as a rock. Even if it does crash it can almost always recover (by restarting a driver for example), then it sends the info to Microsoft and they tell you exactly what to do to fix it.

A dodgy ffdshow codec caused crashes of my WMP, but I couldn't figure out what the problem was. Luckely Microsoft told me about the codec, I upgraded it and the crashes of WMP were gone.

Everything is just so much better under Vista, XP is a big joke (but hey, it's 6 years old so give it a break)

Overall seen: Vista is the BEST desktop OS available at this moment.

It may have places where it sucks, and there are other OSses that do some things better as Vista, but if you look at the complete picture Vista simply owns.

Hell, it's the first OS my grandpa can install without calling me for support ;)

[gdogg]

When I throw in 4GB of ram, vista x64 is the only choice, to grab windows xp x64 isn't much of a choice due the price differences.

[triple_A]

LOL when XP was introduced about 6years ago we had the exact same situation :D there where lots of people who didn't like xp and stuck to w98. Guess what they're doing now.. sitting behind their XP rigs spamming around how bad Vista sucks compared to XP..

Yes it uses more system resources.. but hell; XP uses more resources than 98 too. And don't tell me you are still using windows 98. with more features comes the need for more system resources..
If you don't get that; go back to windows 98:D

[gdogg]

With the enthusiasts, I see a reason to stick with xp for now, but if you got 4GB of ram, and are bashing xp x64 too, there is really something wrong LOL.

[xoqolatl]

Happy Vista user here. I sign under Thorry's opinion.

[Noobie]

LOL when XP was introduced about 6years ago we had the exact same situation :D there where lots of people who didn't like xp and stuck to w98. Guess what they're doing now.. sitting behind their XP rigs spamming around how bad Vista sucks compared to XP..

Yes it uses more system resources.. but hell; XP uses more resources than 98 too. And don't tell me you are still using windows 98. with more features comes the need for more system resources..
If you don't get that; go back to windows 98:D
Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows VISTA.

Windows Vista sucks. It's better than Windows XP tough. Windows XP sucks tough. Windows 2000 is still the best MS OS.

Vista isn't an OS, it's a theme park.

[CrimInalA]

I'm an IT professional and atm i'm not running vista , nor am i rolling out vista in a professional network .
I tried to use it a few times , but the os wants me to confirm almost everything i do . are you sure ? are you really sure ? really really sure ?
And basically i couldn't find any advantages to vista . (i tried business and ultimate)
I know a person who bought himself a new laptop , he has sent the laptop back because he couldn't live with the vista OS wich came with the pc . He is back to his old laptop and XP now .

I'll just stick with XP as long as it serves me well . can't think of anything why i would use vista . I love eye candy , but both my ubuntu 6.4 with beryl plugin and max os look much better than aero .

[tictac]

maybe i should give it a try...
is it that superior?

[Bigchrome]

It is teh suck. That's how superior it is.

[deathman20]

Vista does make XP look like a joke.

Vista's stability makes me think back of the W2k days, it's just solid as a rock. Even if it does crash it can almost always recover (by restarting a driver for example), then it sends the info to Microsoft and they tell you exactly what to do to fix it.

A dodgy ffdshow codec caused crashes of my WMP, but I couldn't figure out what the problem was. Luckely Microsoft told me about the codec, I upgraded it and the crashes of WMP were gone.

Everything is just so much better under Vista, XP is a big joke (but hey, it's 6 years old so give it a break)

Overall seen: Vista is the BEST desktop OS available at this moment.

It may have places where it sucks, and there are other OSses that do some things better as Vista, but if you look at the complete picture Vista simply owns.

Hell, it's the first OS my grandpa can install without calling me for support ;)

Finally people are coming out and saying what I've been saying since RC1. Easy to install, stable as a rock. Might have a few bugs, might use few more resources then again what new OS doesn't?

maybe i should give it a try...
is it that superior?

I'd say its a recommend upgrade for some. Some people don't like change but if you like change then yes its a nice move. Maybe you'll want to do dual boot for a while so you can get use to it. I've personally switched over since XP took a crap on me back in October, I've tried to install XP a few more times but the raid drive it doesn't like, so said forget it.

[Ego]

Its amazingly that microsoft dont hunt down ppl who use cracked stolen vista windows.
If they will do that then they will lost 20milion of 40mil ppl who have vista :)
And then no one will buy it coz all hunted down ppl will blame and post SHT posts abaut vista, see piont ?

[Verisimilitude]

I doubt 20 million people pirated Vista.

Let's say it is 2million, and less than half of those have a hack that spoofs the WGA so you can get uploads.

So if the 40 million even includes pirated copies... it would 39.5 million.

I'm also an IT guy, I haven't recommended upgrading across the board for Vista because it isn't practical. But I have to agree with Thorry above, once you get used to Vista you won't go back to XP. It turned out pretty solid.

[sladesurfer]

LOL when XP was introduced about 6years ago we had the exact same situation :D there where lots of people who didn't like xp and stuck to w98. Guess what they're doing now.. sitting behind their XP rigs spamming around how bad Vista sucks compared to XP..



agree

[Haltech]

Vista X64 is really nice.. Browsing using IE is lightning fast. Give it a whirl!

[7he ]-[0rr0r]

Can't remember where i read it but the actual sales numbers are inflated too: if the original config of machines sold to corperation is vista even if it is wiped and xp is installed before being shipped to said corp it still is counted as an xp sale by ms stats.
Or such was the claim anyway.

[Avman]

I have Vista Home Premium on my home machine (see sig) and XP at work. I prefer Vista and I'll change my work PC at the next opportunity. Vista is just nicer to work with.

[HiJon89]

40 million including the sales of Dell's pre-installed shiet

Now how many retail boxes of the Ultimate edition were purchased by individuals?

MY guess <200,000
And how many copies of Ultimate edition were downloaded on BitTorrent?

MY guess >500,000

[Cuthalu]

And DRM restrictions were strictly enforced on it.


Those restrictions don't do anythint to files which don't have drm. Without Vista featuring drm you couldn't wach drm-content legally, so you don't lose anything.

However, without any drm-support crappy corporations couldn't enforce drm-usage, so this could be counted as a negative aspect.

[John600rr]

I'm an IT professional and atm i'm not running vista , nor am i rolling out vista in a professional network .
I tried to use it a few times , but the os wants me to confirm almost everything i do . are you sure ? are you really sure ? really really sure ?
.

Since your an IT professional, can you find the Control Panel?

Once you get there, search for UAC and turn off User Account Control.

Vista is different, doesn't mean it's bad.

[FragTek]

Vista supporter here. I care to not use XP again. Vista Biz 32bit has been flawless for me. It's fast, it's pretty, and it's stable. I have yet to have it crash on me, more than I can say with XP.

[clayton]

I'll be joining the bandwagon once the software matures. And like a lot of people, when Crysis is released.

[Eagleclaw]

I don't have any problems with XP but I am thinking of giving Vista a try.

Dual boot seems like a good option. Does it matter what OS I install first??

[celemine1Gig]

Although many poeple will dislike what I'll say now: I like Vista and as already said, the situation will always be the same when a new OS is introduced.
Many who moan about Vista just have no clue that programming something that complex IS hard work. That it works the way it does is GREAT IMHO. You'll never find software that is 100% flawless, when the complexity reaches a certain level. I fully respect the work that the microsoft employees put into Vista.

[DeathReborn]

The real reason people moan about Vista is.... change. People in general don't like change, especially when they don't see a problem with what is currently available.

I do think that many more people will be "won over" by Vista when they release Longhorn and update the kernel in Vista to that version. Availability of DX10 software will also help the cause.

@EagleClaw,

It shouldn't matter which one you install first but if you do a re-install of Vista you might have to redo the dual boot as it sometimes overwrites it as a single OS install (removes option of booting into XP).

[ZX7891]

well duh 40 million are sold....

compusa had them at the store closing event, 80% off, even i bought 5 of them

[triple_A]

The real reason people moan about Vista is.... change. People in general don't like change, especially when they don't see a problem with what is currently available.

I do think that many more people will be "won over" by Vista when they release Longhorn and update the kernel in Vista to that version. Availability of DX10 software will also help the cause.

@EagleClaw,

It shouldn't matter which one you install first but if you do a re-install of Vista you might have to redo the dual boot as it sometimes overwrites it as a single OS install (removes option of booting into XP).
Update vista kernel:confused:
link please :D

[hewi]

I got bored with XP, felt like I had installed it a few billion times so I gave Vista Ultimate x64 a spin and was quite pleasantly suprised. I can live with a few FPS less in BF2 and on the other hand enjoy better frames in Oblivion etc. After a bit of "tweaking" disable UAC, fiddling with power options so that your hard drives dont spin down, disabling auto defrgament, killing most of the stupid gadgets and stuff u'll get a nice fast and very stable OS.

New stuff is always nice IMO, wether it's hardware or software so I don't think i'll go back to XP. Driver support lets me tweak my GTS and X-Fi and apps in general seem to work as fast or faster than they do in XP so im satisfied for now.

[Eldonko]

I use vista 64bit basic for my 24/7 box and for testing 4gb kits. I think it's fine personally. Post reply cancel or allow. Allow.

[1badhabit]

I don't have any problems with XP but I am thinking of giving Vista a try.

Dual boot seems like a good option. Does it matter what OS I install first??


I am currently dual booting (for the non compatible software with vista), and you have to install Windows XP first, then Vista. But..... I made a new partition with Partition Magic 8, and I beleive there's a new version out, so it may work the other way around. I just had a problem when trying to install XP after I had made a new partition using Vista.

But Overall about the topic. Vista is dumb proof, an illiterate PC user can't go wrong!! But I do think they blew up Vista like they blew up Y2K, so everyone that didnt know any better, went and upgraded.

[Eldonko]

Yeah, installing is alot less painful than w/ xp at least.

[safan80]

Yeah, installing is alot less painful than w/ xp at least.

see if you run into the "Windows is unable to find a system volume that meets its criteria" error. you have to set the vista partition active before you start the install and let vista format the partition. When you run into this problem it screws over your other OS installs that is until you switch the active partition flag back. The thing that's really bugging me is ThunderBird is set as my default Email client and vista still tries to use the windows Mail email client all because I didn't run the program installer under vista. I just copied the files over.
I still hate vista.

[M.Beier]

I dont really understand why people keep complaining about Vista.. Yes, it takes quite a few ressources, however, its NICE if one has the ressources... I really like my Vista on the lappy...

- Only negative thing about it is that DARN WMP, when making lists of your own it takes AGES to change track...

[M.Beier]

I'm an IT professional and atm i'm not running vista , nor am i rolling out vista in a professional network .
I tried to use it a few times , but the os wants me to confirm almost everything i do . are you sure ? are you really sure ? really really sure ?
And basically i couldn't find any advantages to vista . (i tried business and ultimate)
I know a person who bought himself a new laptop , he has sent the laptop back because he couldn't live with the vista OS wich came with the pc . He is back to his old laptop and XP now .

I'll just stick with XP as long as it serves me well . can't think of anything why i would use vista . I love eye candy , but both my ubuntu 6.4 with beryl plugin and max os look much better than aero .

First of all...
1) Its possible to deactivate, and I've done that, had to look a bit for the darn thing, was quite inoying...

2) Bad idea to roll vista out on a office, since the requirements from hardware are too massive for the mainstream computers used..

3) Hey man, we better learn the program outside in, inside out before the ones we guide get it, atleast thats more comfortable IMO..

-_- at group IT, our headquater, the two IT folks over here (myself and a colleague) uses Vista - I run WinXP as Virtual PC btw... - At Vietnam, Indonesia, and the other contries with IT departments, they dont.. We're only two at our headquater as most is being outsourced, since danish labor is QUITE alot more expensive then the one in Vietnam etc..

- One more thing, we ONLY use MS products... Some of our personal thought linux would be AWESOME for some servers, but, thing is, considering the price of the labor and the extra time wasting on linux complexity simply isnt worth the benefits of it, simply cheaper to buy equipment then labor.. (atleast when its being administrated from Denmark)

[X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE]

Vista makes XP feel like a joke after you've used it for awhile... I can't go back now even if someone forced me.

You mean vista is a joke compared to XP. Well from a gamers point of view and the fact i can't network 2 Vista systems and share my internet, which worked flawlessly on XP. I am using Bigpond Next-G wireless internet.

[DeathReborn]

Update vista kernel:confused:
link please :D

Link (http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/95725/95725.html?Ad=1)

The Truth About Vista SP1
I'm tired of Microsoft's insane posturing about Windows Vista SP1. I've written about this before, but it bears repeating. Every single time Vista SP1 comes up, some representative from Microsoft--all the way up to CEO Steve Ballmer, by the way, who has done this twice in public--acts as if the company has no idea when it will ship SP1 or what features it will include. That is not true. Microsoft will ship Windows Vista SP1 concurrently with Longhorn Server in Q3 2007 and SP1 will include a major kernel update for Vista that will bring the client OS up to speed with the version of the Windows kernel in Longhorn Server. That has been the plan for quite a while, and they all know it. Why the company can't just say, "We'd rather not discuss SP1 at this time" is beyond me. Instead, they're simply lying, and for no good reason. And that's not right, especially when there are millions of customers waiting on this release to upgrade. You'd think a company that supposedly cares about transparency as much as Microsoft would realize when they're being so, well, transparent.

[ahmad]

You mean vista is a joke compared to XP. Well from a gamers point of view and the fact i can't network 2 Vista systems and share my internet, which worked flawlessly on XP. I am using Bigpond Next-G wireless internet.

You fall under the special catagories of customers.

Networking is much easier on Vista.

[RejZoR]

40 million including the sales of Dell's pre-installed shiet

Now how many retail boxes of the Ultimate edition were purchased by individuals?

MY guess <200,000

What difference does it make? Pre-installed ones are counted as DSP editions.
Why waste money on retail version if you can get cheap DSP with new PC (i was buying it at that time btw). Makes perfect sense...

[Ego]

I must be forsed to install vista, as i allways bein forced to install new windows...
Whats new? any service packs are out ?

[Thorry]

I'm an IT professional and atm i'm not running vista , nor am i rolling out vista in a professional network .
I tried to use it a few times , but the os wants me to confirm almost everything i do . are you sure ? are you really sure ? really really sure ?
And basically i couldn't find any advantages to vista . (i tried business and ultimate)
I know a person who bought himself a new laptop , he has sent the laptop back because he couldn't live with the vista OS wich came with the pc . He is back to his old laptop and XP now .

I'll just stick with XP as long as it serves me well . can't think of anything why i would use vista . I love eye candy , but both my ubuntu 6.4 with beryl plugin and max os look much better than aero .
Sorry but you mustn't be a very good IT professional then...

If Vista sucks a real IT professional would spend a lot of time installing it to get to know the following things:

- Where does it suck?
- How does it suck?
- Why does it suck?
- How can I fix the suckage?
- How can I fix the suckage my original fix caused?

So the next time the boss walks in with his son's brand new laptop with Vista running on it (for which he payed so he wants to use it) you can fix his problem and not get fired. Before they ask that nice young boy from accounting who's good with computers (a 16 year old intern who spends his entire time posting on forums under the alias nn_step) who can fix it in 1 min.

But sure you stick with XP, we'll see if you still have a job in 2 years when the computers need to be replaced and you can no longer get XP licenses so you get Vista. But hey, you didn't like Vista so now you're a total n00b....

[Verisimilitude]

Remember Thorry, it is hard to be open minded, I did not try Vista until it was shoved down my throat. Now I love dispelling the FUD around it, but the fact is XP is still faster in every program and will be until stuff that is more Vista specific comes around.

[adamsleath]

:shakes: :ROTF: :yawn2:

[Zero]

i like vista, but i cant use it cause the new "multi vga support" kinda sucks, i have a 7600gt for my main display, and an old matrox dual head card for my 2 ps one lcd that are buildt into my custom case, and under vista, you need both cards to use the same driver, or 1 cant work :(

but i do like how vista works and looks, its kinda sad that multi vga suport was "better" or "more xp like" under the betas and the pre-rtm build :P

pd: i use windows xp profesional with a license provided by my college, next week we are getting a vista one (i dont kno which vista version tho), and i wont be able to use it because of what i explained before :(
i can get another nvidia pci card tho, but there is another problem under vista (and xp too), the matrox card accepts a moded edid i put on the lcds using a serial eeprom, and i need no software to make it run using such config, but only with xp default vga drivers, with matrox drivers the card sees the edid, and needs no trics to detect the lcds, but the info on the edid doesnt work and i need powerstrip, the same happens with nvidia cards, but any drivers will do that and need powerstrip, ati cards ignore the edid completly. so in vist,a with 2 nvidia cards, i need powerstrip XD

[DeathReborn]

Sorry but you mustn't be a very good IT professional then...

If Vista sucks a real IT professional would spend a lot of time installing it to get to know the following things:

- Where does it suck?
- How does it suck?
- Why does it suck?
- How can I fix the suckage?
- How can I fix the suckage my original fix caused?

So the next time the boss walks in with his son's brand new laptop with Vista running on it (for which he payed so he wants to use it) you can fix his problem and not get fired. Before they ask that nice young boy from accounting who's good with computers (a 16 year old intern who spends his entire time posting on forums under the alias nn_step) who can fix it in 1 min.

But sure you stick with XP, we'll see if you still have a job in 2 years when the computers need to be replaced and you can no longer get XP licenses so you get Vista. But hey, you didn't like Vista so now you're a total n00b....

Exactly. A few local organisations are upgrading from 2000 to Vista (skipping XP) & I volunteer my time to help with IT Support with one of them. I have been looking around inside Vista for about a year now (Beta 2 threough to retail) just so I can have first hand experience of the types of problems that come up & fix them.

First hand experience is something that is invaluable in the IT Industry as it keeps you abreast of technology & could give you the extra bit that gets you into that job you want.

Vista may be new but it IS the future of business/personal computers for the foreseeable future & we should all start getting used to it. 99% of people saying Vista is the worst piece of crap will be using it within 18 months & most likely not being moaning minnies about it.

[X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE]

You fall under the special catagories of customers.

Networking is much easier on Vista.
Yes network is easy to setup but when it comes to sharing internet with 2 computers vista looses to XP as XP shares by default. Vista is a excellent looking OS but slow when it comes to gaming, But still playable i spose.

[nn_step]

Sorry but you mustn't be a very good IT professional then...

If Vista sucks a real IT professional would spend a lot of time installing it to get to know the following things:

- Where does it suck?
- How does it suck?
- Why does it suck?
- How can I fix the suckage?
- How can I fix the suckage my original fix caused?

So the next time the boss walks in with his son's brand new laptop with Vista running on it (for which he payed so he wants to use it) you can fix his problem and not get fired. Before they ask that nice young boy from accounting who's good with computers (a 16 year old intern who spends his entire time posting on forums under the alias nn_step) who can fix it in 1 min.

But sure you stick with XP, we'll see if you still have a job in 2 years when the computers need to be replaced and you can no longer get XP licenses so you get Vista. But hey, you didn't like Vista so now you're a total n00b....

Exfuc kingcuse me? :slapass:

[gdogg]

Yes network is easy to setup but when it comes to sharing internet with 2 computers vista looses to XP as XP shares by default. Vista is a excellent looking OS but slow when it comes to gaming, But still playable i spose.

Um, since when did xp share internet by default? Got xp home oem sp2, emachine xp mce 2k5, emachine xp home sp0 recovery disc, toshiba mce 2k4 recovery disc.

None of these do this.

[Haltech]

Well a professional IT person wouldnt be bringing in his son's laptop for you to fix, holding termination over your head to begin with, if you dont.

I dont see to many companies pushing Vista on anyone yet. Besides the fact, were still on Win2K and never migrated to XP at my location. Windows is Windows, theres not that much to learn between XP and VISTA except for security features, networking and some fluff. Any IT professonal can pick up the changes within one day. To say a person isnt a very good IT person because they dont like Vista is an asisnine statement on your part, esp saying he wont have a job in 2 yrs... Youre a n00b just for making your atrocious statements... Think before you speak...

Sorry but you mustn't be a very good IT professional then...

If Vista sucks a real IT professional would spend a lot of time installing it to get to know the following things:

- Where does it suck?
- How does it suck?
- Why does it suck?
- How can I fix the suckage?
- How can I fix the suckage my original fix caused?

So the next time the boss walks in with his son's brand new laptop with Vista running on it (for which he payed so he wants to use it) you can fix his problem and not get fired. Before they ask that nice young boy from accounting who's good with computers (a 16 year old intern who spends his entire time posting on forums under the alias nn_step) who can fix it in 1 min.

But sure you stick with XP, we'll see if you still have a job in 2 years when the computers need to be replaced and you can no longer get XP licenses so you get Vista. But hey, you didn't like Vista so now you're a total n00b....

[Verisimilitude]

The guy didn't know UAC was in a control panel, obviously he needs some training.

Its his boss that would bring in his son's laptop, not another IT person.

The new filing system in Vista is probably the most difficult thing to master, you didn't mention it. (It isn't hard at all though, just different)

Win2K is great, I like how Office 2007 works with it now that the compatibility pack is out. You should stick with it for a few more years.


Well a professional IT person wouldnt be bringing in his son's laptop for you to fix, holding termination over your head to begin with, if you dont.

I dont see to many companies pushing Vista on anyone yet. Besides the fact, were still on Win2K and never migrated to XP at my location. Windows is Windows, theres not that much to learn between XP and VISTA except for security features, networking and some fluff. Any IT professonal can pick up the changes within one day. To say a person isnt a very good IT person because they dont like Vista is an asisnine statement on your part, esp saying he wont have a job in 2 yrs... Youre a n00b just for making your atrocious statements... Think before you speak...

[vincey2kr1]

I'd like to give Vista 64bit version a try, but do they sell stand alone single dvd version at your local stores ie Walmart, bestbuy or Compusa? What i'm gathering its all 32bit wich is a waste of $$ since i have 4gigs of ram.

[M.Beier]

I find Vista quite easy to change to from XP, however, 1 day isnt enough time for you to learn all the details, however, if you have a sence for computers, you will still be able to work your way around..

Vista will NOT be the buiss choice in 2007, thats for sure... You dont wanna
purchase brand new equipment just to run an OS...

- What I didnt like was the office 2007, so I've changed to the 2003.. I have to learn it one time tho' - but since Im still under my education, and its quite alot more important then my job... (27$/hour, I can always get an equaly paid job, however, I wont waste my education in economics.. - furthermore, I can get my wage multiplied by 4 once Im completely done with my education...)
Furthermore, I got quite a bit to say when it comes to WHEN we want to change the office pack, and ofcause we dont want

[Kingcarcas]

Wow Thorry just served up one of the coldest dishes of ownage i've ever seen:ROTF: As for me i'll wait for SP1 and some good games to come out.

[adamsleath]

also waiting for sp1....and i'll have to get some more ram :rolleyes:

[situman]

well MS shoves it down the PC makers throats and they in turn shoves it down bestbuy's throat and they in turn shoves it down the customers throat, its not exactly a victory. It just leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth.

[halo112358]

well MS shoves it down the PC makers throats and they in turn shoves it down bestbuy's throat and they in turn shoves it down the customers throat, its not exactly a victory. It just leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth.

/signed - 40 million sales worldwide doesn't mean crap, except that they've EOL'd XP.

[RADCOM]

[QUOTE=Daveb2012;2195410]I have vista ultimate.. Im my top dresser, its not on my hard drive. I'm being serious of this, It just has no benefit for me besides the cosmetics.[/QUOTE
Well if you're not going to use it please post to this address lol I've used all MS systems and XP is now stable and mature. Vista certainly is an improvement in certain areas and has many new features; it will be mainstream by this time next year after service pack 1. Remember you heard it here first lol

[vincey2kr1]

Still no answer about 64bit version? Looks like you can buy the basic Vista version and upgrade any time to any of the others with just a validation key, wonder if this applies if you get a 32bit version and later upgrade to 64bit?

[iddqd]

LOL when XP was introduced about 6years ago we had the exact same situation :D there where lots of people who didn't like xp and stuck to w98. Guess what they're doing now.. sitting behind their XP rigs spamming around how bad Vista sucks compared to XP..

Yes it uses more system resources.. but hell; XP uses more resources than 98 too. And don't tell me you are still using windows 98. with more features comes the need for more system resources..
If you don't get that; go back to windows 98:D

They weren't entirely wrong when they were bashing XP. It was simply too early to adopt.

As is the case with Vista. I'll give it some time.

[Thorry]

Exfuc kingcuse me? :slapass:
Is that an official denial?

J/k bro :rofl:

Some people are just too serious, lighten up guys, the forums are for fun as well ;)

[Vandi423]

Still no answer about 64bit version? Looks like you can buy the basic Vista version and upgrade any time to any of the others with just a validation key, wonder if this applies if you get a 32bit version and later upgrade to 64bit?

I don't think you need to upgrade. You just need the 64-bit disc. I think that you can order it for like $10 IRRC. I know for sure the key works on both. I know this applies to retail but I am not sure how it works with OEM copies.

BTW I have done this with both Vista Ultimate and Business Retail. Well the business copy wasn't exactly retail because they only gave me a 32-bit disc. But the key worked on both. I think all retail boxed versions come with both 32-bit and 64-bit DVDs.

[saaya]

its pretty arrogant to conclude that people who buy vista like it.
i know a good dozen of people who bought vista either with their new system/laptop or retail, and only one of them likes it.
id like to see how many people bought vista retail, i bet by far the most licenses were sold oem, hence people didnt chose vista but got it from the oems with a new system/laptop, whether they want it or not.

[Revv23]

i dunno i used vista for about a month and switched back, i see no reason to learn a new OS when XP is doing just fine. It's not that vista is bad, it's just not that different. Once DX10 becomes mainstream i guess i'll load it back up and leave XP on an old DX9 machine for classic gaming and such.

[mdzcpa]

i see no reason to learn a new OS when XP is doing just fine.

Exactly.

I'm sure Vista will mature just like Xp did, and over time, it will be a decent OS. But for now, I see no reason to fight the headaches. Driver support is still a bit weak, hardware issues still lurk about, and performance still isn't quite where it needs to be for gaming. A "cool new look" is simply not enough to justify a switch.

Also, as far as enterprise is concerned, very very few businesses are making the switch. The internet has plenty of info about the incredibly slow adoption rate for existing environments. Most enterprise level applications will be put in place during hardware acquisition (eg new mahcines).

I'll likely dual boot when some games actually come out that force me into DX10. Hopefully a dual boot will hold me over to SP1.

[nn_step]

well Microsoft could always force everyone to upgrade by including it in the automatic updates but I think they wish to sell as many copies as possible

[syne_24]

Well I like it..It's far from perfect but well acceptable enough for me to use it daily. It's much faster to install and no more F6/floppy drive is a big plus for me. For the most part I think XP is still faster and more "efficient" than vista. But to be honest I'm not really bothered about the resource hogging. Why? Because newer technology will give us more headroom to accommodate these resource needs. And that's how it's suppose to be, isnt it? It's like we go back to windows 98 with quad-core and ddr2, wouldnt it be a lot better than it was with older technology? I think the same concept can be said here when ddr3 and faster cpu/gpu will make vista's resource not that big of a deal. The other problem is people dont like changes when they are used to something. Like they said "old habits die hard". And they expect Vista to be something that it's not. Vista is what it's, more eye candy effects that will ultimately cost resources to be used. That's why i think hardware advances has an important correlation with software development. Vista just makes it so obvious that older system will have trouble running it, therefore, it gives the perception that it's failure due to that nature. But by the next few years when we will be rolling in quad/oct cores with ddr3's and what not, you'll be looking at vista like it's XP now.

[ownage]

I never compared XP with linux, but i use both for years now. Xp was just differend then my state-of-the-art Linux, and XP was doing fine for Games.
Now Vista is new, and has allot of new features/looks, which i allready had on Linux more then a year back, so i cant help it, but i compare Vista with Linux, and so Vista looks a bit retrieved. So using Vista is like using something i allready did for more then a year, but my nice graphical 3d desktop on Linux is for my needs a bit better. So i wouldn't know why i would switch to Vista.
I use XP on my gaming rig, and i like it, it does the job very well.
When the time is right, i will use Vista (stripped and tweaked :P), for DX10 games.

Most of the 40 milion users are peoples who just following the hype, and can easy mislead by some good marketing!
Above that i think most of the sold Vista licenses are OEM licenses, so now wonder Vista is allready sold 40 million times.

[Kaze06]

Sorry, but numbers sold doesn't mean anybody that bought it actually liked it. Sure, some people do, but Vista has ALOT of flaws right now that even a brand new OS shouldn't have.

[Syn.]

Sorry, but numbers sold doesn't mean anybody that bought it actually liked it. Sure, some people do, but Vista has ALOT of flaws right now that even a brand new OS shouldn't have.


i am with you borther a comptelety recoded kernel should have less buggs then a kernel thats been out 6 years, who ever heard of a new software to have bugs?

40 million of buyers does not mean everyone of them is happy about Vista, but it also does not mean that none of them like it.

I bought OEM version as it was cheap and came out before Retail, buying an OEM version everytime i upgrade my PC isntead of one retail actually saves me money.

As a person that is about to open my own buissness within IT industry i had no choice but to buy Vista to keep up to date and make my self ready for when the rest of the world catches up, i.e SP1.

EDIT:
Seems i wasnt sarcastic enough.

[nn_step]

i am with you borther a comptelety recoded kernel should have less buggs then a kernel thats been out 6 years, who ever heard of a new software to have bugs?

40 million of buyers does not mean everyone of them is happy about Vista, but it also does not mean that none of them like it.

I bought OEM version as it was cheap and came out before Retail, buying an OEM version everytime i upgrade my PC isntead of one retail actually saves me money.

As a person that is about to open my own buissness within IT industry i had no choice but to buy Vista to keep up to date and make my self ready for when the rest of the world catches up, i.e SP1.

any and all Software has bugs. Many times there are bugs in the software that the developer or the team of developers WILL NEVER notice. But in Open source development; Given enough eyes looking at a problem, the problem becomes obvious to someone.

[triple_A]

i am with you borther a comptelety recoded kernel should have less buggs then a kernel thats been out 6 years, who ever heard of a new software to have bugs?


LOL, pretty much any new software has bugs in it, and the number of bugs reduces over the years as patches come out to solve these bugs.

XP is out for 6years by now, most bugs have been spotted and are solved by patches/software updates.. so it isn't really fair to compare the brand new Vista kernel to the already six years old XP kernel as XP has had 6years for all the bugs to be patched.

[kiwi]

UT2004 gameplay is not as smooth as on XP. If I solve that I will use Vista :D

[Kaze06]

LOL, pretty much any new software has bugs in it, and the number of bugs reduces over the years as patches come out to solve these bugs.

XP is out for 6years by now, most bugs have been spotted and are solved by patches/software updates.. so it isn't really fair to compare the brand new Vista kernel to the already six years old XP kernel as XP has had 6years for all the bugs to be patched.

Of course, but it's some of the things that Microsoft intentionally implemented that are turning out to be bugs, really. WGA problems, anyone?

[Sanborn]

UT2004 gameplay is not as smooth as on XP. If I solve that I will use Vista :D

Sounds like you need a new computer regardless. You won't have even a tiny chance of running UT3

[Ego]

Lol i told my friend not to buy vista with new rig :)

[adamsleath]

the more i think about vista and the need for more ram...the more inclined i am to put it off until my next mobo/ram/cpu.

[kiwi]

Sounds like you need a new computer regardless. You won't have even a tiny chance of running UT3

Sorry, didn't know 3.8ghz conroe, 8800gts, 150GB raptor and 2GB ram was not enough for vista :p:

[Syn.]

LOL, pretty much any new software has bugs in it, and the number of bugs reduces over the years as patches come out to solve these bugs.

XP is out for 6years by now, most bugs have been spotted and are solved by patches/software updates.. so it isn't really fair to compare the brand new Vista kernel to the already six years old XP kernel as XP has had 6years for all the bugs to be patched.


Changed my post, didnt seem to read to you the way it did in my head.

If you want to compare Vista to something then compare it to Win2000Pro. Because as Win2000Pro was the basis for the all lovable XP so will Vista be a basis for the next windows with what ever funky name they decide to give it. That windows will be like XP today and will have great support because drivers are going to be very similar to Vista's as they will use the same driver model. Which is the reason why XP had less probelms with getting drivers as it had Win2kPro's drivers as the compatable option.

[vitaminc]

The number of units sold by a virtual monopoly has absolutely nothing to do with the quality.

[celemine1Gig]

That might be true, but it also shows that Vista is and surely will be the future in home computing, if you like it or not.
So sooner or later you should get used to it.