Intel Slashing Prices, Bushwhacking AMD Again

[sladesurfer]

AMD got a little buzz last week when they talked about the bigtime capabilities of their next-generation processors, code-named Barcelona, due out later this year. As usual, Intel doesn't hesitate to ramp up the pressure on their competitor, and is planning huge price cuts on their existing versions of quad-core processors for desktops and servers. According to DailyTech, the price cuts will kick in on July 22nd.

The first part of the price cuts will center on Intel's quad-core desktop processors. The Q6600, which Intel launched in February, currently sells for $530 in quantities of 1000. When the product was originally launched, it was priced at $851 in quantities of 1000. The next round of price cuts will effectively lower the price to $266. The selling price of the Intel QX6700 will also be lowered, coming in at $530 by the end of July.

Intel is also slashing the prices of its quad core Xeon DP processors. The flagship Xeon DP X5355 will see its introductory $1172 price drop to a more manageable $744. Likewise, Intel's slowest 1333MHz FSB Xeon DP processor will drop to $316 while the Intel's two low-voltage Xeon DP L5320 and L5310 processors will fall to $320 and $273 respectively.

Source: http://www.hothardware.com/News/Intel_Slashing_Prices_Bushwhacking_AMD_Again/

Article: http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Readies+Price+Cuts+For+Quadcore+Desktop+Serv er+Processors/article7293.htm

[Chewbenator]

Too think the Q6600 will be sub entry e6600 prices, wonderful.

[sladesurfer]

I love competition!

[Zytek_Fan]

I love competition!

Don't we all? :D

[eva2000]

Intel smells AMD blood and can't wait to try and drive AMD into the ground (financially ?) with these price cuts.

If Intel succeeds there won't be any competition heh..

[Zytek_Fan]

Intel smells AMD blood and can't wait to try and drive AMD into the ground (financially ?) with these price cuts.

If Intel succeeds there won't be any competition heh..

Of course Intel isn't going to kill off AMD because it will make things more difficult (Department of Justice lawsuits anyone?)

[duploxxx]

that Intel is lowering there quadcore server product at launch of barcelona is normal. they will be outdated performance wise, power wise and architecture wise.... unless the come up with something faster than Xeon DP X5355.

For the desktop part they shouldn't drop the prices, they cut in their own hands.
but good for us offcourse. and lots of people will change there current c2d to a c2q.... unless they know by then that if Agena is much faster.

[Kunaak]

you can say, Intel smells some blood and are going in for the kill....

or...

Intels scared, and they are doing anything they can to get peoples mind of the barcelona.

be interesting to see what the real story is, when the barcelona launches.

[Zytek_Fan]

you can say, Intel smells some blood and are going in for the kill....

or...

Intels scared, and they are doing anything they can to get peoples mind of the barcelona.

be interesting to see what the real story is, when the barcelona launches.

Indeed. Both situations are highly probable.

Of course if the R600 was any indication, we won't see any performance benchmarks or anything like that for Barcelona until about a month before launch...so it's a waiting game.

[SunFlowerSeeds]

Looking at current situation, no benchmark, no ES just like R600. I am quite worried that K10 might follow R600...

[Zytek_Fan]

Looking at current situation, no benchmark, no ES just like R600. I am quite worried that K10 might follow R600...

The production of Barcelona should ramp up soon since the Dresden fab is going to be completely on 65nm by early July...

[Shintai]

that Intel is lowering there quadcore server product at launch of barcelona is normal. they will be outdated performance wise, power wise and architecture wise.... unless the come up with something faster than Xeon DP X5355.

For the desktop part they shouldn't drop the prices, they cut in their own hands.
but good for us offcourse. and lots of people will change there current c2d to a c2q.... unless they know by then that if Agena is much faster.

You do know the pricecuts was announced along time before Barcelona timeframe? And unless you show us some overall real benchmarks of barcelona you are just making hot air.

[LOE]

intel have announced this price cut 2-3 moths ago, and they said they will make it this autumn

they are pushing the price cut 1Q forward, I am sure this has nothing to do with barcelona

intel probably have problems selling their chips at their current prices, cause of the tough competition they are facing...

or they just don;t want to make too much money...

which one is it? Im leaving it up to you ;)

[Shintai]

intel have announced this price cut 2-3 moths ago, and they said they will make it this autumn

they are pushing the price cut 1Q forward, I am sure this has nothing to do with barcelona

intel probably have problems selling their chips at their current prices, cause of the tough competition they are facing...

or they just don;t want to make too much money...

which one is it? Im leaving it up to you ;)

July 22 is Q3..so not pushed forward. Usually they do it in the middle of august. So its 2-3 weeks earlier in the best case.

Problems selling their chips? Did you miss AMDs huge plummet in marketshare?

This is more like beating AMD small enough again to be controlled and make sure they stop and try to do lawsuits again.

[Dainas]

Well all this means to me is; Quad core, here I finally come. Like said above, its likely not a reaction to Barcelona (since I'll likely be able to rent a car by the time AMD releases it), but Intel just want to clear out stock for Penryn and perhaps to clamp the vice on AMD a few notches more.

[xoqolatl]

Does anybot know if Xeon 3220 gets cut too, and if yes, will it be cheaper than Q6600 as it is now?

[Shintai]

Does anybot know if Xeon 3220 gets cut too, and if yes, will it be cheaper than Q6600 as it is now?

Yes, same price as Q6600.

[sladesurfer]

What's the difference between Xeon 3220 and Q6600??

[Shintai]

What's the difference between Xeon 3220 and Q6600??

Same as Opteron 1xxx vs X2.

Lower voltage and alittle higher quality it seems.

[sladesurfer]

Same as Opteron 1xxx vs X2.

Lower voltage and alittle higher quality it seems.

cool,thanks :)

[Cybercat]

I love competition!This isn't competition, this is a slaughter. If you ask me, it's depressing.

[RAMMAN]

This isn't competition, this is a slaughter. If you ask me, it's depressing.

the consumer being able to get a q6600 for $266 is depressing?

[Ubermann]

Competition btw who ?
The dual team and the quad core team at intel ?
Intel should get into lots of places before barcelona is out, and those companys might not want to change later if the barcelona is just the same or a little better performance (or just plain bad)

[xlink]

intel wants competition(so they can avoid regulation)

they just want a negligible amount in low profit segments

[LOE]

July 22 is Q3..so not pushed forward. Usually they do it in the middle of august. So its 2-3 weeks earlier in the best case.

Problems selling their chips? Did you miss AMDs huge plummet in marketshare?

This is more like beating AMD small enough again to be controlled and make sure they stop and try to do lawsuits again.

You do realize thats breaking the law, don't ya? Intels actions are not competing, they are anti competing...

Forcing AMD into bankruptcy is competitive? Yeah right...

[Shintai]

You do realize thats breaking the law, don't ya? Intels actions are not competing, they are anti competing...

Forcing AMD into bankruptcy is competitive? Yeah right...

So, business and capitalism is illegal? Thats a new one!

If you cant compete you die, end of story. Its darwinism in its best form. Should Intel keep back if AMD cant compete? Should nVidia hold back when AMD cant compete? Should the every other carmaker wait for GM because they cant compete?

If Intel cant kill AMD, they want AMD down to a manageable size. nothing illegal.

You get the joke award of the day. :rofl:

[xoqolatl]

I don't get it... How is selling chips braking the law? If I made a CPU in my garage that would pwn every other CPU and sold it for 10$, would that be breaking the law? Business is about selling lots of good quality product cheap, and Intel is doing that. If Barcelona sucked, well, AMD deserved to die. Competition has to be good for customers, not for chip makers.

EDIT: I am no Intel fanboy, I wish AMD well, but well means more bang per buck for us, not more buck in Hectors pocket.

[LOE]

So, business and capitalism is illegal? Thats a new one!



are you retarded? business and capitalism are not illegal, but anti competitive actions against competitors are ILLEGAL

intel can afford to survive for a few years without making a single cent profit, offering their production dirt cheap, forcing amd to lower prices...

business is making money, price cuts are good for us, but bad for the one whos cutting it, intel are not doing business, they simply want to hurt amd and they are sacrificing profit to do it

I am happy prices go down, but I wound not be happy if amd's competitiveness gets damaged by intel, cause then intel will f**k us all

the moment they get rid of amds competition, they will stop making faster chip, and there will be no reason to lower prices as well

thats why I think Intel's actions are anti competitive
if AMD and INTEL are equal companies, with equal funds and fabs, they should fight with no rules

but thats not the case, and law should and probably will defend healthy competition

I hope AMD get their antitrust case to its end and get a nice amount of cash from intel, enough to build one more fab and fund their R&D teams for a few years

I like when things are fair

[perkam]

I'll believe them when i see them.

Perkam

[Daveb2012]

I wonder how much an E6700 is going to cost next month?

[Shintai]

are you retarded? business and capitalism are not illegal, but anti competitive actions against competitors are ILLEGAL

intel can afford to survive for a few years without making a single cent profit, offering their production dirt cheap, forcing amd to lower prices...

business is making money, price cuts are good for us, but bad for the one whos cutting it, intel are not doing business, they simply want to hurt amd and they are sacrificing profit to do it

I am happy prices go down, but I wound not be happy if amd's competitiveness gets damaged by intel, cause then intel will f**k us all

the moment they get rid of amds competition, they will stop making faster chip, and there will be no reason to lower prices as well

thats why I think Intel's actions are anti competitive
if AMD and INTEL are equal companies, with equal funds and fabs, they should fight with no rules

but thats not the case, and law should and probably will defend healthy competition

I hope AMD get their antitrust case to its end and get a nice amount of cash from intel, enough to build one more fab and fund their R&D teams for a few years

I like when things are fair

Please drop the personal stuff.

What do you want Intel to do, I´m very curious. Their gross margin is close to record high and we love their prices. nothing wrong there.

Anti competitive? No, they_might_ have done so in the past with OEMs. Note _might_. But there is nothing wrong with what they do today.

You seem to want to protect AMD nomatter what. I don´t get it. If a company cant survieve. Then what should we do? Punish the one(s) that do great, use goverment funds to help the weak or what?
I have a sense of what you want is actually something that would be close, if not a fixed pricing chartel. And thats illegal.

[Shintai]

I wonder how much an E6700 is going to cost next month?

Next month? Same as it does now. July 22th its 183$, tho replaced with a 1333FSB.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=789466

http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/july22.bmp

[XS Janus]

As I stated before, one of the reasons of this soon to be price drops is so them (Intel) sells more p35 chipsets as they can, they must insure a large as possible consumer base for their 45nm products - and they will do so by sweetening the deal with low 4core prices.

That way they will probably get a fair shair of new buyers and some amd upgraders to lean their way.

Don't forget AMDs AM2 is compatible with their upcoming CPUs so they have the upper hand in chep upgrade-ability and Intel has to fight this soon as possible an on their own!

[mstp2009]

are you retarded? business and capitalism are not illegal, but anti competitive actions against competitors are ILLEGAL

intel can afford to survive for a few years without making a single cent profit, offering their production dirt cheap, forcing amd to lower prices...

business is making money, price cuts are good for us, but bad for the one whos cutting it, intel are not doing business, they simply want to hurt amd and they are sacrificing profit to do it

I am happy prices go down, but I wound not be happy if amd's competitiveness gets damaged by intel, cause then intel will f**k us all

the moment they get rid of amds competition, they will stop making faster chip, and there will be no reason to lower prices as well

thats why I think Intel's actions are anti competitive
if AMD and INTEL are equal companies, with equal funds and fabs, they should fight with no rules

but thats not the case, and law should and probably will defend healthy competition

I hope AMD get their antitrust case to its end and get a nice amount of cash from intel, enough to build one more fab and fund their R&D teams for a few years

I like when things are fair

Intel's gross margins are at ~50% (disclosed in their financial statements). Meaning that even after these price cuts, they are still making a tidy sum on their CPUs.

According to US Law, Intel would have to sell these below their cost of production to even be considered for anti-competitive practices. At that point they could be investigated for dumping product, but even then there are very specific legal standards that have to be met for the accusations to stick.

Now, if Intel is trying what they were accused of a few years ago (called collusion - where they go and offer specific incentives for Company X not to use AMD chips), that is very illegal. We have no indication that is happening. And given the ongoing litigation between AMD and Intel, I would be very surprised if it were.

But price cuts in and of themselves, even with the specific aim of capturing market share, are completely legal. It is how the free market is designed to work.

[LOE]

Now, if Intel is trying what they were accused of a few years ago

well with intel destroying case evidence that is more and more unlikely to happen

however the case is not over yet

I guess only time will tell

[nemrod]

you can say, Intel smells some blood and are going in for the kill....

or...

Intels scared, and they are doing anything they can to get peoples mind of the barcelona.

be interesting to see what the real story is, when the barcelona launches.

Or 45nm arrive

Or, this is the very impressiv 10 may demonstration of Barcelona which this time has show so wonderful long-waiting benchmarks...:rofl:

Or this is now time to hurt AMD because of the actuality... but not on processor, on not so wonderful R600... Pressure from Intel + Pressure from Nvidia... That will be an hard time for AMD... This probably not a good news for us but this is more probable than to predict barcelona clear leadership which scary Intel...

[rozzyroz]

personally, i think the price cuts have to do with intels 45nm process comming forward. i bet these prices are to reduce inventory for the penryn release, and nothing to do with amd. if/when amd releases k10, intel will do another price adjustment to reflect k10's price vs performance. i personally dont think intel would jump the gun and reduce prices on rumors of what a chip thats supposed to come out in a few months can do.

so, i dont believe the "intel is running scared" idea. the only place intel is running to, is the bank.:fact:

[savantu]

well with intel destroying case evidence that is more and more unlikely to happen

however the case is not over yet

I guess only time will tell

Do you think Intel talked with large customers about illegal practices over email ? :ROTF: :rofl:

Have you ever heard of exclusive clubs/restaurants/golf fields/strip clubs ?

Such deals are always done by word of mouth. You never leave incriminating evidence .That's what professionals do , and Intel is by all accounts a very pro company.;)

[SnipingWaste]

Do you think Intel talked with large customers about illegal practices over email ? :ROTF: :rofl:

Have you ever heard of exclusive clubs/restaurants/golf fields/strip clubs ?

Such deals are always done by word of mouth. You never leave incriminating evidence .That's what professionals do , and Intel is by all accounts a very pro company.;)
How do you think the Anti trust case on the memory companies came to be? It was the emails from one company to another.

[Ubermann]

"You never leave incriminating evidence"

Its Intel not the Mafia.

[LOE]

Do you think Intel talked with large customers about illegal practices over email ? :ROTF: :rofl:

Have you ever heard of exclusive clubs/restaurants/golf fields/strip clubs ?

Such deals are always done by word of mouth. You never leave incriminating evidence .That's what professionals do , and Intel is by all accounts a very pro company.;)


everyone knows intel is guilty, I know many hardware vendors than confirmed they are offered special prices for exclusive deals, thats a BRIBE, thats ILLEGAL, and if you think exclusive deals have something to do with exclusive restourants, you really need to reconsider going back to first grade and go over your education again

intel got cought in japan, thats proven "guilty"
got cought bribing dell
intel wanted to restrict the case to america only, cause this way then need less people to bribe in order to hide their illegal activities, but now it seems they will have to bribe the whole world, and I wonder, woundn't it be cheaper if they admit guilty and pay compensation to amd...

I don;t know why intel refused to give their emails backup as evidence, but I don't think you actually recycle your backup, if you don't need it, why backup it in the first place?

"wooopppssss sorry, we recycled our backup, can't give the evidence required by the court" - it sounds lame...

I really don't like what intel have been doing for years, and I hope they get what they deserve.

Intel fanboys are free to disagree and point out I am stupid and naive...

[grimREEFER]

$266 for a kentsfield....wow

[sladesurfer]

Cheap quad core,here i come!!!

[clayton]

Just wished the QuadCores doesn't generate so much heat. I'm a SFF guy. :(

[Ubermann]

everyone knows intel is guilty, I know many hardware vendors than confirmed they are offered special prices for exclusive deals, thats a BRIBE, thats ILLEGAL, and if you think exclusive deals have something to do with exclusive restourants, you really need to reconsider going back to first grade and go over your education again

intel got cought in japan, thats proven "guilty"
got cought bribing dell
intel wanted to restrict the case to america only, cause this way then need less people to bribe in order to hide their illegal activities, but now it seems they will have to bribe the whole world, and I wonder, woundn't it be cheaper if they admit guilty and pay compensation to amd...

I don;t know why intel refused to give their emails backup as evidence, but I don't think you actually recycle your backup, if you don't need it, why backup it in the first place?

"wooopppssss sorry, we recycled our backup, can't give the evidence required by the court" - it sounds lame...

I really don't like what intel have been doing for years, and I hope they get what they deserve.

Intel fanboys are free to disagree and point out I am stupid and naive...

Guilty or not, at least they are giving us some good hardware to play with.
That legal stuff is up to them not us, we want faster cpus not 258 pages PDF to read.

[savantu]

"You never leave incriminating evidence"

Its Intel not the Mafia.

The deal between Intel and SUN was made at a dinner between Paul Ottelini and Jonathan Schwartz.No emails , no nothing.Even now , the full extent of the deal isn't clear.

What if Paul Ottelini met Michael Dell ? You don't need emails to talk about less than acceptable business practices.

[savantu]

everyone knows intel is guilty, I know many hardware vendors than confirmed they are offered special prices for exclusive deals, thats a BRIBE, thats ILLEGAL, and if you think exclusive deals have something to do with exclusive restourants, you really need to reconsider going back to first grade and go over your education again

intel got cought in japan, thats proven "guilty"
got cought bribing dell
intel wanted to restrict the case to america only, cause this way then need less people to bribe in order to hide their illegal activities, but now it seems they will have to bribe the whole world, and I wonder, woundn't it be cheaper if they admit guilty and pay compensation to amd...

I don;t know why intel refused to give their emails backup as evidence, but I don't think you actually recycle your backup, if you don't need it, why backup it in the first place?

"wooopppssss sorry, we recycled our backup, can't give the evidence required by the court" - it sounds lame...

I really don't like what intel have been doing for years, and I hope they get what they deserve.

Intel fanboys are free to disagree and point out I am stupid and naive...


:down: Intel is innocent until a guilty verdict is given by the court.Until then , you're simply mumbling subjective opinions as facts.

No matter how hard you want Intel to "get what they deserve" , fortunately the justice system works with evidence and not emotions.

[Shintai]

Just wished the QuadCores doesn't generate so much heat. I'm a SFF guy. :(

There is the 50W low voltage server version. Else you can get them as 80W too up to 2.33Ghz. But the 50Ws are only LGA771 I think, no 3000 series yet :(

[gallag]

Loe, did intel molest you when you were younger?

[sladesurfer]

Why do people hate big companies?

[mstp2009]

Why do people hate big companies?

Simple. They missed out on investing in them while they were small companies. :D

[ZX7891]

is intel even making money off the QX6600 when its $266?

[Shintai]

is intel even making money off the QX6600 when its $266?

Considering their current 50%+ gross margin. I would say yes. And there is slower cheaper server quadcores. I doubt it cost Intel over 100$ to make one. A 2.13Ghz quadcore is 224$

[Ego]

Thats good im gettin 2x i5310 :)

[ted3]

Nice. Intel is criminal for selling cheap CPUs, shouldnt we accuse AMD instead since they are the ones selling with losses? That cant be legal LOE? :)

I want quad core "Celeron-Q" (Pentium E2000 series), wish they would glue 2 P-E2000 together and sell as $150 Quad.

[Zucker2k]

Nice. Intel is criminal for selling cheap CPUs, shouldnt we accuse AMD instead since they are the ones selling with losses? That cant be legal LOE? :)

I want quad core "Celeron-Q" (Pentium E2000 series), wish they would glue 2 P-E2000 together and sell as $150 Quad.

Very well said. As long as intel is selling for a profit, no one can accuse it of doing anything illegal. In fact, maybe for the first time, we get to pay for what the processors were really worth. Another thing is innovation... this will really force AMD to go back to the drawing table and come back with a more competitive product, which means more competition, which means more price cuts, which means... get the picture? Consumers are the only winners. Remember, Intel was in this same hole two years ago, and how did they get out? Now AMD has to rush to market with it's secret weapon, whatever that is.

[dinos22]

I wonder how much an E6700 is going to cost next month?

E6700 is getting phased out so 9xmulti is the highest you get from new ones so better grab one now if you can

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

shintai, for the first time, ever, I agree with your idea of capitalism. Are you sure you're not a conservative?

Ryan

[dinos22]

Why do people hate big companies?

:shrug: big company = big target :)

[Shintai]

shintai, for the first time, ever, I agree with your idea of capitalism. Are you sure you're not a conservative?

Ryan

I´m a socialist.

[savantu]

I´m a socialist.

:ROTF: :rofl:

[mukmaster]

Intel has there pants scared off of em LOL