Intel: We'll maintain processor performance leadership. "substantial lead" in desktop

[terrace215]

AMD's response is poor. They do not dispute the performance claim made by Intel, they just say "native qc has advantages". Pfffft. Of course it does, but apparently not enough to overcome Intel.

Reading between the lines, I'd guess Intel is claiming:

A big lead for single socket systems ("desktop")
A lead for 2-socket systems

They will probably lose many 4-socket benchmarks, even though Tigerton's accompanying chipset should help there.

Here's the article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=AMD:US&sid=atnU9iQGCdns

Otellini Says Intel to Keep Lead Over Advanced Micro (Update2)

By Ian King

May 16 (Bloomberg) -- Intel Corp. Chief Executive Officer Paul Otellini said his chips' speed will outpace Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s even after the company introduces new models.

``I expect us to have microprocessor performance leadership,'' Otellini said at Intel's annual meeting today in Santa Clara, California. Intel's lead will be ``substantial'' in chips for desktop parts, he said.

Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, won back sales from smaller Advanced Micro with its own new semiconductors last year. Advanced Micro plans to introduce products based on a new design, called Barcelona, in servers and desktops by the end of 2007.

Shares of Intel climbed 17 cents to $22.18 at 4:01 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market trading. The shares of Sunnyvale, California-based Advanced Micro rose 18 cents to $15.58 in New York Stock Exchange trading.

Intel won back more than 6 percentage points of market share in personal computer processors in the first quarter. The company ended the period with 80.5 percent of shipments, according to Cave Creek, Arizona-based Mercury Research.

Advanced Micro's share slumped to 18.7 percent in the first quarter, its first time under 20 percent since 2005.

``We're confident about our projections for the advantages of our native x86 server processor versus Intel's package approach,'' Advanced Micro spokesman John Taylor said in response to Otellini's comments today.

Intel had 74 percent at the end of the fourth quarter, the lowest level in about 11 years. Otellini and Chairman Craig Barrett said Intel will prevent Advanced Micro from gaining back sales, and will keep adding designs and manufacturing techniques.

Intel is still following the dictum of co-founder Andy Grove that ``only the paranoid survive,'' Barrett said.

``There is still ample paranoia at Intel,'' he said. ``Dr. Grove lives on with his doctrine.''

[Zytek_Fan]

I really don't like how Intel has pretty much set their mind on burying AMD :(

[Chewbenator]

It's all about the competition, lets just hope there still is some by 2009.

[LowRun]

Sounds more like a shareholders targeted speech than anything.

[VulgarHandle]

is this thread for real? you're making judgements about AMD performance based on what Intel says about AMD?

and people make fun of theinq.....

[Envydia007]

i hope your not a fanboi!

[EternityZX9]

This is the worst speculative bs flamebait I've ever seen posted on here.

[nn_step]

This is going to be a very interesting series of events

[xpsentity]

He's just reposting an article, don't shoot the messenger...

Who's accusing who of fanboism again? :rolleyes:

[informal]

Lol P.Otellini is saying intel will best AMD ?Wow,i really thought he was going to say something like :" AMD is gonna bury us with K10,totally"
Pure intel marketing BS.

edit:Lol i know why he said that.He was referring to some comments about desktop K10 parts availability(around Christmas if i recall correctly).So he based that "decisive lead in desktop" by comparing Conroes to Windsors/Brisbanes ,lmao.Such a BS.He will be hit hard when K10 ships in Q3 in desktop variant.

[frankR]

I'll wait for credible benchmarks from a third party reviewer of AMD products before I believe Intel. Intel thanks, but no thanks.

[cky2k6]

while this might be intel marketing bs, with the combination of the israeli design team and intel's brute force manufacturing capabilities, it ain't too far from the truth... barcelona is just very unlikely to overcome penryn no matter how good its design, cause penryn will clock at netburst like speeds, and its an improved c2... k10 will be around 2.5-2.9ghz, so is it that likely to beat a chip thats clocked at 3.7ghz, even if it isnt as efficient, which has not been proven either. intel wanted to put amd back in its old spot, and it will likely succeed for at least a few years before it gets lazy again...

[xlink]

so is 2007 the new 1997?

[savantu]

is this thread for real? you're making judgements about AMD performance based on what Intel says about AMD?

and people make fun of theinq.....

Have you ever considered that Intel might :

1.Know how its chips perform.
2.Got their hands on some K10 systems.

I remember a year ago , Intel executives claiming a similar lead with Core over K8 , we all know how it turned out.

[savantu]

...

edit:Lol i know why he said that.He was referring to some comments about desktop K10 parts availability(around Christmas if i recall correctly).So he based that "decisive lead in desktop" by comparing Conroes to Windsors/Brisbanes ,lmao.Such a BS.He will be hit hard when K10 ships in Q3 in desktop variant.

I think you need some reading comprehension classes :

May 16 (Bloomberg) -- Intel Corp. Chief Executive Officer Paul Otellini said his chips' speed will outpace Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s even after the company introduces new models.

[alayashu]

I remember a year ago , Intel executives claiming a similar lead with Core over K8 , we all know how it turned out.

yes, they claimed C2D was supposed to be 40% faster than K8, and we all know how it ended.

on my side, this kind of 'our processors will rule' info coming from both manufacturers can be ignored. Give us benches and not worthless words.

[VulgarHandle]

Have you ever considered that Intel might :

1.Know how its chips perform.
2.Got their hands on some K10 systems.

I remember a year ago , Intel executives claiming a similar lead with Core over K8 , we all know how it turned out.
Have you ever considered that Intel might :

1.Be spinning as usual, aka, marketing.
2.Be spinning as usual, aka, marketing.

intel saying how their new architecture is better than AMD's current architecture is one thing

saying that their now current architecture is better than AMD's new, and not yet released, architecture is completely different

also, speed means nothing when compared to IPC, which noone knows the IPC of 10h

there's no chance in hell Intel would say their cpu's are going to get beat, they didn't during the P4 vs K8 days, what makes you think they would now?

[Shintai]

yes, they claimed C2D was supposed to be 40% faster than K8, and we all know how it ended.

on my side, this kind of 'our processors will rule' info coming from both manufacturers can be ignored. Give us benches and not worthless words.

Wrong, i think you mix ANANDTECH with Intel.

[Shintai]

Still some benches to be seen, else its just hot air! Tho it aint looking good for AMD with the low clockspeed and Penryn around the corner.

[VulgarHandle]

Still some benches to be seen, else its just hot air! Tho it aint looking good for AMD with the low clockspeed and Penryn around the corner.

again, we really don't know what the clockspeeds will be, or more importantly, the IPC

how is it you doubt 10h so much, but believe Penryn will be so good?

[savantu]

yes, they claimed C2D was supposed to be 40% faster than K8, and we all know how it ended.

on my side, this kind of 'our processors will rule' info coming from both manufacturers can be ignored. Give us benches and not worthless words.

They claimed 20% .Your 40% is utter BS.

Instead, Intel will count on its microarchitectural improvements and a faster front-side bus to deliver the 20 percent improvement in performance over AMD's chips, based on standard benchmarks, Eden said.

Mooly Eden , Intel VP.

http://news.com.com/Intel+strikes+back+with+next-generation+chips/2100-1006_3-6041120.html

[savantu]

Have you ever considered that Intel might :

1.Be spinning as usual, aka, marketing.
2.Be spinning as usual, aka, marketing.

3.Saying the truth , as they've done since the Netburst fiasco.

intel saying how their new architecture is better than AMD's current architecture is one thing

saying that their now current architecture is better than AMD's new, and not yet released, architecture is completely different

Why is it completly different ? Are you claiming that Intel engineers are incapable of understanding K8L and comparing it with their own ?
For your information , AMD isn't the only MPU producer in town.

And not the least , K8L is a K8 on Core steroids.

If you have the time , you can read these and see why :
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT051607033728

also, speed means nothing when compared to IPC, which noone knows the IPC of 10h

Intel and AMD have thousands of people doing performance simulations all the time.

there's no chance in hell Intel would say their cpu's are going to get beat, they didn't during the P4 vs K8 days, what makes you think they would now?

Possibly because they know what they have and what will AMD have ?

[Shintai]

again, we really don't know what the clockspeeds will be, or more importantly, the IPC

how is it you doubt 10h so much, but believe Penryn will be so good?

We have seen Penryn and atleast a 3.33Ghz clock. If K10 gonna beat that, then it will have to be over 50% faster than K8 clock for clock if 2.9Ghz(the high one) and 73% faster than K8 if 2.5Ghz (the high low one). Penryn is not even remotely near 50% faster clock for clock than a Yonah.

We haven´t seen a 50% design boost is ages since the Pentium or so. So call me sceptical.

The math just isn´t in favour for AMDs odds. However they still could do a miracle. But its just not likely in my view.

And if K10 was such a Conroe/Penryn killer. AMD would be screaming it loud all over the place. They played hammertime for about a year before K8. Yet here K10 is a "estimated" performance and something we rather not talk about at AMD.

This is starting to smell of R600 all over again...

[VulgarHandle]

@ savantu
I get what you're saying, you're saying you believe what Intel has to say about their direct competitor's product :nuts:

@ Shintai
what you say is valid, but the hard truth of the matter is we really do not know the IPC, or the clock speeds that will be available, or the price, and when of course :(

now true, Intel's process is a little more mature, but there is no solid proof Intel will release a 3.33ghz Penryn right away, or any real 3rd party benches, same with AMD's 10h

I'm not leaning one way or the other, of course I want 10h to be competitive, keeps the prices low and the technology rolling, but let's stick to what we know, which is nothing. Speculation with numbers and/or architectural based educational guesses is great, speculation based on what the PR departments, from AMD or Intel, is completely insane.

[Shintai]

Actually I´m 100% very sure we get a 3.33Ghz Penryn as minimum. Since it would be the first bin above what we have now. I think the question is more if they only release a 3.33Ghz or higher aswell.

Intel didn´t demo the 3.33Ghz as something they wouldn´t release. In that case they would have done it with alot higher.

I just hope AMD soon release some samples for reviews or something.

[savantu]

@ savantu
I get what you're saying, you're saying you believe what Intel has to say about their direct competitor's product :nuts:


As opposed to AMD , Intel's management currently enjoys a lot of credibility.

now true, Intel's process is a little more mature, but there is no solid proof Intel will release a 3.33ghz Penryn right away, or any real 3rd party benches, same with AMD's 10h

They demoed part clocked above 3GHz a month ago.They still have 6 months to refine the parts and the process.IMO , 3.33GHz is the start.

[gOJDO]

Again, I bet Penryn will wipe the floor with K10 on single CPU configuration as much as Conroe wiped the floor with K8. If anyone is interested in placing bets, PM me.

[Ubermann]

Havent they been working on K10 so long that it will be outdated before it even launched ?
With Intels money and crew im sure that can do anything that AMD does but faster and smaller.

[Ubermann]

Did you make that sig yourself ?

[Ubermann]

Ok..

[Daveb2012]

How can they say that for sure? Does AMD share there information with them and technology? It would be so awesome if Bill gates donated one Billion to AMD towards research.

[perkam]

We'll find out when k10 and penryn come out.

We don't need XS furthering marketing rhetoric from either company.

Perkam