Barcelona to be released at top 2.3GHz, Harpertown to be a native quadcore!

[gOJDO]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20070516PD210.html

AMD will release its Barcelona processors with clock speeds ranging from 1.9-2.6GHz. However, in the initial launch, the clock speed will top out at 2.3GHz, while the 2.6GHz version will appear in the updated version, pointed out the sources.

With AMD scheduled to showcase its new quad-core Opteron processors (Barcelona) at Computex Taipei 2007, Intel also plans to demonstrate its 45nm native quad-core server processors (Harpertown) at the show, according to sources at server makers.

[K404]

Arent those clockspeed plans totally out of date? What happened to the "dancing in the aisles" news from the first wafers- Launch clockspeeds were capable of being 2.6-2.8GHz max?

[informal]

What a BS article by DigiTimes,clueless.
Here's what Johan from Anandtech(ex Ace's) had to say:

http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120081028&forumid=1

(he posted basically the "track record" of previous BS articles from Digitimes).

Barcelona won't launch at 2.3Ghz for top part and Harpetown is not native QC....

[Face]

Interesting. I thought they wer'e going native with Nehalem.

Arent those clockspeed plans totally out of date? What happened to the "dancing in the aisles" news from the first wafers- Launch clockspeeds were capable of being 2.6-2.8GHz max?

Won't make sense for them to release the top clockspeed at launch.
They better save it for later competition with Penryn.
We would see them eventually when they are needed.

Edit : Most reports suggest 2.5Ghz top at launch. Guess it would be higher with FX.

[XS Janus]

Sound fishy to me. How can Harpertovn be native qouadcore when Intel itself told us that all penryn family cpus will be dual dies!? They said DP Wolfdale, DP Harpertown, MP Tigerton!
So this can't be true and also wouldnt make ANY sense for intel to even try and develop a native 4core C2D - there's NO performance, margin or yeld gain in this move!!

They could however demonstrate future native 4core, as some kind of half-baked nehalem project and digitimes yust inserted "harpertown" on its own!

[Nanometer]

What a load of crap. Take your colonoscopy bag somewhere else. :slap:

[gOJDO]

@Face
I though the same, but I wouldn't be supprised if Intel release a native quadcore server CPU. They need it so much, because the performance scallability using a MCM chips and the FSB is being deminished as the number of CPUs raises. Intel will relase a quad-FSB chipset with 64MB snoop filter, which will have to cohere 8 caches if the MCM approach is going to be used. If the 4 CPUs are native, the chipset will have to cohere only 4 caches which the dual-FSB platform does on the dual MCM quad-core CPUs.

[Movieman]

LOL @ Native Quad Core on Harpertown. If I didn't only have 3 I would take off the IHS and provide pics. I can tell you with certainty though.... THEY ARE NOT "NATIVE" QUAD CORE!!! :D

Stop making me drool will you!:D
Agreed with the general consensus here, not native quadcore.

[K404]

Won't make sense for them to release the top clockspeed at launch.
They better save it for later competition with Penryn.
We would see them eventually when they are needed.

Edit : Most reports suggest 2.5Ghz top at launch. Guess it would be higher with FX.


What do you mean wouldnt make sense to release the top speed at launch? The top clockspeed they expected to be able to provide WAS 2.3GHz, with MHz ramping later.

Even with improved launch speeds, the clockspeeds will still scale as AMD tweaks the mix. The same maturity process will occur, just from a higher starting point, if...

http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=39440

is true.

[ted3]

Poncho, you forgot to mention the clockspeed and FSB of your harpertowns

[theteamaqua]

nvm i just checked

anyway wow , intel is really putting pressure on AMD ...

AMD better not mess up Barcelona like what they did to R600 .. plz dont mess up AMD ... the last thing i want is for intel to dominate/monopolize the cpu market = high intel cpu price

[Shintai]

nvm i just checked

anyway wow , intel is really putting pressure on AMD ...

AMD better not mess up Barcelona like what they did to R600 .. plz dont mess up AMD ... the last thing i want is for intel to dominate/monopolize the cpu market = high intel cpu price

I doubt, they wouldn´t be higher than say the X2 era when there was only the P4/P4D. The only thing that would actually suffer is development pace. It would need to be fast enough for people to want something new, but not too fast to waste R&D on.

But agree with the old info and such. But we still have to remember, its really only theinq saying the speed is above the numbers we have seen for along time.

But shouldn´t we see something soon :confused:

[Face]

@Face
I though the same, but I wouldn't be supprised if Intel release a native quadcore server CPU.

Thanks for the explanation. However, I do think it's surprising since that's the first time we hear about it being native. Doesn't mean it couldn't be true, Perhaps just very unlikely(And, sort of disapproved by other members with info here).

What do you mean wouldnt make sense to release the top speed at launch? The top clockspeed they expected to be able to provide WAS 2.3GHz, with MHz ramping later.

Even with improved launch speeds, the clockspeeds will still scale as AMD tweaks the mix. The same maturity process will occur, just from a higher starting point, if...



Well IMO the would prefer releasing the chips first at a lower frequency first as long as it beats current competition offerings(=Core 2). It gives you the advantage of releasing higher frequency models later when needed.
That being said I could be dead wrong and we could see up to 2.9Ghz models at launch if they decide to do an over-all launch for all the market segments.
Since it's all guessing and rumoring.. all we can do is wait and see.(BTW I do think they could boost up the speeds as reported).

[Shintai]

Anyone actually wondered how fast K10 would have to be over K8 to beat Conroe or Penryn?

First we have to assume some general average things:
Conroe is about 20% faster than Yonah
Penryn is about 10% faster than Conroe
Yonah and K8 is quite equal. Conroe is 20% faster than K8

So, even if we lower it alittle. Penryn is then 30% faster than K8.

We have seen a 3.33Ghz quadcore Penryn, so we can assume thats atleast one bin. So again, lets assume its the highest bin.
K10 was planned to be 2.3-2.4Ghz with 2.5Ghz later. Now some say 2.9Ghz (Tho I expect its actually only for dualcores).

But lets say 2.9Ghz K10 Quad.

3.33Ghz Quad Penryn equals a 4.33Ghz+ quad K8.
So K10 needs to be atleast 50% faster than K8 just to keep pace if 2.9Ghz. or 73% faster than K8 clock for clock if 2.5Ghz.

3.00Ghz Quad Conroe (Kentsfield/Clovertown) equals a 3.6Ghz Quad K8
So K10 needs to be atleast 24% faster than K8 if 2.9Ghz. And 44% for 2.5Ghz.

Remember, its average it needs to be faster. Not just a few benches. But the average of everything.

K10 gonna be good, but somehow I dont have faith for being THAT good. Its likely it might beat Conroe if 2.9Ghz, but not 2.5Ghz.
But lets see, I could hopefully be wrong. But AMD still got to prove it.

[Zytek_Fan]

Supposedly the launch speeds have been bumped a few hundred Mhz...

[perkam]

Wow...digitimes sure went Fud all over this one.

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