Graphics cards by revenue

[Pinacolada]

It seems almost nobody is buying high-end graphic cards ...

ATI can delay R600 because money is for sure not in high-end, so it won't hurt as much as some people think.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070413235044.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2007-04/jpr_aibs_trends_q4_2006.png

[DilTech]

High-end isn't for profits...

High end pays for R&D for that series and the next generation. The less money made on the high-end, the less money put into the next part.

[DTU_XaVier]

High-end isn't for profits...

High end pays for R&D for that series and the next generation. The less money made on the high-end, the less money put into the next part.

Which is of course why the GF6-series sucked so bad :rolleyes:

Best Regards :toast:

[DilTech]

Which is of course why the GF6-series sucked so bad :rolleyes:

Best Regards :toast:

Am I missing something here? The 6 series rocked.

The FX's were trash, but NVidia still sold a ton of them.

[WangChung]

Well duh! Only idiots like us buy High End graphics cards. :)

[Kanten]

ATI can delay R600 because money is for sure not in high-end, so it won't hurt as much as some people think.

Except for the little fact that Nvidia owns the Dx10 market, all while AMD is bleeding funds.

[Ubermann]

Why would high end pay for R&D ? Dont you think you can use any money avaible for R&D ?
Sounds very non logical like if the high end sells bad the company falls becuse there is no more money to develop anything any more.

[DTU_XaVier]

Am I missing something here? The 6 series rocked.

The FX's were trash, but NVidia still sold a ton of them.

You might have missed the sarcasm :D
I was a very happy owner of a 6800GT for just shy of 20 months :)
Yes, the FX-series sold a ton, but not the very high end (59xx >XT)

Best Regards :toast:

[Revv23]

i always thought mainstream made more money then value-performance, guess i was wrong.

[LuckyNV]

i always thought mainstream made more money then value-performance, guess i was wrong.

I would have thought sub $100 would have made the huge bulk of sales

[zir_blazer]

“Integrated graphics is eating the lunch of the lower end cards (especially sub $100 “Value”). It makes sense given how things have evolved: if you’re really interested in performance, you’re not buying a low-end card and if you aren’t interested in performance, integrated graphics will suffice. So the low-end board is becoming the ‘odd man out’,” said Alex Herrera, an analyst for Jon Peddie Research.
I completely agree with this. IGPs like the GeForce 6100 are even good enough for playing recent games on budget machines (Yeah, even with everything on low quality and resolution the FPS will be possibily just slighty above playable, but for some guys like me, that are sacrifices that you do daily if you're intending to say "Me too" when the question is if you played [Insert game name here]), and if you're intending on something serious, you are obviously going to skip all the TurboCache or HyperMemory trash that aren't even worth the price on performance when compared to "Free" IGPs.
However, most people doesn't realized that and in third world countries you still see tons of machines with those worthless Value Video Cards just because the Average Joe thinks that having a 512 MB VRAM and a ultra low end GPU is going to make that they games run significantly better.

[syne_24]

I would also argue that the "high end" is more for marketing than anything. The revenue generated from the high end comes in more from the PR spin that is put on the numbers generated by the top, top end... that allows the company to have a favorable name and customers will respond to that with their wallets. ATI not having a competing product in the DX10 market has hurt them.

I agree, you can take the WD Raptor as a similar example, which represents a high-end category drive; although not everyone will buy one but they know what it's. This helps put WD name on top in the performance ladder and thus return favorable gain when it comes to sale on their other products. It's a simple but inevitable practice in order to compete in this market.



ATI can delay R600 because money is for sure not in high-end, so it won't hurt as much as some people think.


Well we know money was never in the high-end category but waiting so long to put something on the table did hurt ATI one way or another. Like missing one xmas season and still yet nothing afterwards to recover from that. And by that chart analysis, something like a 8800GTS 320MB would fall in the performance category. Therefore, is hurting ATI right about now wouldn't you say?

[metro.cl]

Why would high end pay for R&D ? Dont you think you can use any money avaible for R&D ?
Sounds very non logical like if the high end sells bad the company falls becuse there is no more money to develop anything any more.

2x i think the same way :P

Well ATI will be late again for mainstream tomorrow nvidia will launch 8600 & 8500 cards, also 8800GT 320 was a really good card sold pretty good

[Iconyu]

I would have thought sub $100 would have made the huge bulk of sales

Nah when some buys a card to play games with theres only so low you can realistically go. I think the $150 - $250 would eqate to the 7600's/1600's, and if you are gaming, you wouldn't go below that.

Its strange seeing your name with less than 20,000 post btw.

[trakslacker]

Except for the little fact that Nvidia owns the Dx10 market

Does the DX10 market even exist? If there are no games, and you can't load DirectX 10 on your computer, methinks there's isn't officially a market... :)

[safan80]

The price point of $150-$250 is where graphics companies should put the high end back to prices for graphics cards have gotten out of hand!


Does the DX10 market even exist? If there are no games, and you can't load DirectX 10 on your computer, methinks there's isn't officially a market... :)

There's a developers market for DX10 ;)

[iddqd]

Well duh! Only idiots like us buy High End graphics cards. :)

You know, we are idiots.

At least we're idiots with the best video cards!

[safan80]

At least we're idiots with the best video cards!

We're happy idiots with the best video cards!

[v_rr]

I would also argue that the "high end" is more for marketing than anything. The revenue generated from the high end comes in more from the PR spin that is put on the numbers generated by the top, top end... that allows the company to have a favorable name and customers will respond to that with their wallets. ATI not having a competing product in the DX10 market has hurt them.

Well ATI sold lots, and lots of X1950pro and X1650pro in the perfect market segment, while Nvidia was selling few 8800 compared to the number of X1950pro sold.
Having a good top-end psycologicaly is good, but you are forgeting the mid-end were ATI had the best video card for 6 months.

And now is going to enter in the market with DX_10 when games in DX_10 are going to be launched, and with chips in 65nm now is time for ATI be in front of Nvidia for 6 months.... it´s a cycle.....

By the way in the Q4 2006 ATI recoverd market share with Nvidia and it´s 8800. It´s a prove that mid-end is much more important then high-end.
The time of desinformation and Halo efect as gone a long time ago, and people know more and more with is the best card in his segment ;)

[xlink]

people also forget that this is just revenue.

higher end cards gross more. i don't' give a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about revenue, i care about what I gross short and long terms.

[MarlboroMan]

I completely agree with this. IGPs like the GeForce 6100 are even good enough for playing recent games on budget machines (Yeah, even with everything on low quality and resolution the FPS will be possibily just slighty above playable, but for some guys like me, that are sacrifices that you do daily if you're intending to say "Me too" when the question is if you played [Insert game name here]), and if you're intending on something serious, you are obviously going to skip all the TurboCache or HyperMemory trash that aren't even worth the price on performance when compared to "Free" IGPs.
However, most people doesn't realized that and in third world countries you still see tons of machines with those worthless Value Video Cards just because the Average Joe thinks that having a 512 MB VRAM and a ultra low end GPU is going to make that they games run significantly better.



me too!
im on a 6100 go right now on my Asus A8M laptop. I use it for travel/work and on coffee-break i may have some fun too. I have UT2004 installed here, running on 1280x800 mid/low graphs.
Its a nice onboard card. :banana:

[perkam]

I'd prefer a breakdown based on which graphics core sold how many.

There are still shops out there with $250 9800XTs...that table doesn't tell me much...

Perkam

[Dr.FuzzyBallz]

Is the 8800Gts 320mb or the 640mb considered high end graphx cards?

[falqon]

High-end isn't for profits...


Yes it is, although it's kind of hard to believe it hasn't been pointed out yet. While no there is no reason for Nvidia or ATI to go balls to the wall in search of making the best high end product, unlike what some people seem to think, there most definately is money to be made there.

Look at the unit share and revenue share portion.

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

Is the 8800Gts 320mb or the 640mb considered high end graphx cards?

yes.

[WRC]

i always thought mainstream made more money then value-performance, guess i was wrong.

no i believe you're right the midpricing range is where the money's at, that's why x-bit labs even pointed out that when nvidia released the 8800gtx, it did not saw a increase sale in midrange products, ati was still the leader. More and more buyers are doing their homework!

[Daveb2012]

I'm not worried, they dont care about the $, do you really think one company will sit back while the other kicks their ARSE! not going to happen