Dtek FuZion does not install correctly in P5B, perhaps in every 775!

[fscussel]

Today when reassembling my WC I´ve come to the conclusion that the FuZion block has a big flaw in it´s desing... when you mount the block piece with the mounting bracket, the mounting bracket will not be secure to install because the pressure of the springs will make the mounting bracket escape the rest of the block.

Here´s the manual picture with some alterations made by me to try to explain my point:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/fscussel/fuzion.jpg

the red arrow means that the springs make pressure down

the blue arrow shows the place where the mounting bracket stops, it can´t go upper anymore because the plastic part of the block (actually that´s where the barbs are) is larger than the bracket shape and makes it stop there.

my point is that since the spring make pressure down and the mounting bracket is only fix in the top what will happen is that when you are turning the thumb nut and the pressure increases that will make the mounting bracket go down and leave the block!!!

It´s happening here and the only way I´ve found to fix it is by doing this:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/fscussel/fuzion2.jpg

so now the springs are before the mounting bracket so that they make pressure making the mouting bracket be pressured against the plastic part of the block, and thus fixing it.

it´s working but I don´t have control over the pressure since I can turn it to much because the way it should work is changed!

what I want to know is if has anyone also noticed this or if I´m missing something!! I don´t like paying 65 USD for a block and having to fix it by myself to make it work!

[NickS]

wtf? wouldn't that kill contact? (your way)

that makes no sense?

[fscussel]

wtf? wouldn't that kill contact? (your way)

that makes no sense?

no man, cause you turn the thumb nut and that makes the spring smaller and then it will eventually touch the CPU. And there´s spring left, so I could make even stronger pressure over the CPU.

[Makubex_GB]

WTF is right.

Do you know how much smaller you would have to make the springs to have the block touch the CPU if it's done your way? That would be impossible.

[fscussel]

lol. huh. yeah, nickS is right... the springs would be trying to push the block off the cpu. lol

not funny you laughting man. I should report to an admin this sort of behave. Certainly not helping with anything.

I´m not saying that this is the best solution, I´m saying that it´s the solution i´ve found in 10 minutes, what I´m asking is if I am right when I say there´s a problem with the retention mecanism of the block.

[fscussel]

the red square in the pictures means that should be some sort of retention mecanism in that part also, after the mouting bracket, so that the mouting bracket cannot move up or down, making it possible to apply force in the way they designed it, from top to down without making the bracket get loose.

[Sideroxylon]

Don't have a problem with mine.

[kuhla]

the red square in the pictures means that should be some sort of retention mecanism in that part also, after the mouting bracket, so that the mouting bracket cannot move up or down, making it possible to apply force in the way they designed it, from top to down without making the bracket get loose.

Provided you didn't severely over tighten one side, the pressure will be applied equally and thus the block will stay down straight and secure. I don't understand what the problem is, it looks perfectly correct to me as just about everyone else has echoed so far.

[Mekrel]

There is no problem with the way the block mounts.

The plate rests on a small ledge in the Delrin top, and the corners are designed so that the plate stays in one place so that the pressure accross all four corners will make the block mount evenly.

Your way as proven above won't work. The spring will be pushing the block back up and trying to lift it away from the processor.

[Petra]

the red square in the pictures means that should be some sort of retention mecanism in that part also, after the mouting bracket, so that the mouting bracket cannot move up or down, making it possible to apply force in the way they designed it, from top to down without making the bracket get loose.
Umm... there is one... there's a lip around the top of the waterblock that you can't see in that image. I can take a photo, if you want...

[Chas_The_Man]

The problem isn't with the springs or the top, the problem is with the screws. They are too big in diameter. I just filed em down a bit so the block slid up and down easier.

[Petra]

The problem isn't with the springs or the top, the problem is with the screws. They are too big in diameter. I just filed em down a bit so the block slid up and down easier.

You using the newer, black hardware or the original hardware?

[Chas_The_Man]

The original, I have another one on order. I bet it comes with thinner screws. The other solution would be to drill out the holes in the bracket but my grinder is easier to use than my drill lol. Even finer threads would work but the ones it came with made the plate catch on it and not let the springs do their job.

[fscussel]

Umm... there is one... there's a lip around the top of the waterblock that you can't see in that image. I can take a photo, if you want...

that would be welcome.

The first time i´ve mounted it there were no problems.

Today reassembling it there were problems.

When I was thithening the screws there were a big BOOM that made me think the block has crashed, but when I checked what happend the mounting bracket had released from the rest of the block, and that makes sense to me, since there´s nothing blocking it from doing that!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/fscussel/Fuzion_Base_Dis.jpg

[fscussel]

The original, I have another one on order. I bet it comes with thinner screws. The other solution would be to drill out the holes in the bracket but my grinder is easier to use than my drill lol. Even finer threads would work but the ones it came with made the plate catch on it and not let the springs do their job.

I´m not very very good with english, but that actually means that there´s a point in my observations?

[Chas_The_Man]

You know the copper part faces down right? lol. Please don't report me to an admin.

[Chas_The_Man]

I´m not very very good with english, but that actually means that there´s a point in my observations?

Well, I am not exactly sure what you thought the problem was. I read your post several times and to me, it looked like you were thinking that the block, or a lip on the block was not allowing it to go down.

I was saying it was catching on the sides of the screws.

[Petra]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/fscussel/Fuzion_Base_Dis.jpg

The mounting plate sits on top of that lip, not under it.

[fscussel]

The mounting plate sits on top of that lip, not under it.

HI Fernando,

So you were installing the bracket from the bottom of the block? If so then yes the bracket will just slide down as soon as you apply any kind of pressure. The bracket was designed and is supposed to install from the top of the block (over the barbs) and rest on the ledge in the top. Then install the springs, limiters and the rest of the mounting hardware.

You installed the bracket as it sounds from the bottom of the block and that is incorrect. Do not run your system with the springs under the bracket as it seems you have done. The springs are to supply pressure on the CPU and the way you changed them does not apply any pressure at all.

Remember when tightening this block and any block for that matter you should use the criss-cross method in small increments so that the block gets even pressure on each side till you reach full pressure. Much as you would tighten lug nuts on your car.

Just fallow the illustration of the mounting but with the bracket installed from the top of the block and the springs in the correct location and you will be ready to go.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.


Thanks,
Danny Salandra
D-TEK Performance Liquid Cooling
www.dtekcustoms.com

That closes the topic =)

BUT, as I´ve replied to DTEK, they should improve the installation manual a lot, because that one page thing that comes with it is like for a 10 cents product.

[Chas_The_Man]

Now I know why on the sides of a plastic bag they sometimes tell you not to put your head in it for extended periods of time.

[mcoffey]

Now I know why on the sides of a plastic bag they sometimes tell you not to put your head in it for extended periods of time.

be easy man, we've all made mistakes:)

andyc

[NaeKuh]

.....

we all hard our OOOOOPS....

:T

but seriously, i never took a look at the manual so i was kinda lost on his point. I always custom mount my block anyhow.

And im thinkn of ditching the springs alltogether. Im hearing they dont give you a consistant secure mount, so sometimes on quad cores, your temps get shot off wack.

[sanhacker]

be easy man, we've all made mistakes:)

andyc

Ditto that.
Cars and Women have been a couple of my more expensive ones.

PC's, Water Blocks, Radiators, and my ineptitude in using them, well they are just a rounding error!

[Chas_The_Man]

Yeah, it was an honest mistake. But they need better directions. Perhaps not as explicit as the ones on the bags though.

Hard mounting. Well, you can do that. You will get more force that way. I guess exactly the right amount of force would come from experience because at some point, the bolts will pull through the MB or the CPU will get crushed. The springs are designed to apply the correct force without too much room for error. But the friction of the bolt on the mounting plate negates the effectiveness of the spring.

[nikhsub1]

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[Chas_The_Man]

?? I get OMGWTF.. & BBQ but cant see how they relate. Is that Wings or Burgers? Whats up?

[MaxxxRacer]

Omgwtfbbq?????!!!!!!!

what he said... I think someone here is VERY confused...

[mcoffey]

?? I get OMGWTF.. & BBQ but cant see how they relate. Is that Wings or Burgers? Whats up?

better be quiet I'm thinking for BBQ:)

andyc

[nikhsub1]

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[NaeKuh]

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[nikhsub1]

OK, now you are scaring me. Forget I ever said anything...

[Bun-Bun]

Yeah, it was an honest mistake. But they need better directions. Perhaps not as explicit as the ones on the bags though.

Hard mounting. Well, you can do that. You will get more force that way. I guess exactly the right amount of force would come from experience because at some point, the bolts will pull through the MB or the CPU will get crushed. The springs are designed to apply the correct force without too much room for error. But the friction of the bolt on the mounting plate negates the effectiveness of the spring.

I've noticed that too the screws make it hard to apply even force when mounting the block. Now I hear there is newer black screws that are thinner?

Is this true? If so I am e-mailing D-Tek and getting them to send me the new hardware.

[RX7boricua]

The only thing I could possibly think of that would cause a "boom" noise would be that the metal mounting bracket was not seated all the way down on the delrin lip, and as he was cranking down on the nuts, it slipped past the point where it was snagged on the delrin and finally seated onto the lip. Perhaps this was the point at which he became a bit confused. Of course, I've probably just confused everyone a bit more. :)


When I was thithening the screws there were a big BOOM that made me think the block has crashed, but when I checked what happend the mounting bracket had released from the rest of the block, and that makes sense to me, since there´s nothing blocking it from doing that!

[Fossil]

Is this some kind of hoax post?

[Praz]

BUT, as I´ve replied to DTEK, they should improve the installation manual a lot, because that one page thing that comes with it is like for a 10 cents product.
I can't comment on how lacking the instructions may or may not be. I installed my first Fuzion last night and until reading this didn't realize there was any instructions. With the limited number of parts, it seemed pretty much self-explanatory how it was to be assembled.

[mcoffey]

Is this some kind of hoax post?

unfortunately, no I'm afraid to say:D

andyc

[fscussel]

The only thing I could possibly think of that would cause a "boom" noise would be that the metal mounting bracket was not seated all the way down on the delrin lip, and as he was cranking down on the nuts, it slipped past the point where it was snagged on the delrin and finally seated onto the lip. Perhaps this was the point at which he became a bit confused. Of course, I've probably just confused everyone a bit more. :)

yes, that´s right.

The problem is that it´s easier to put the mounting bracket in the wrong direction because the visual aspect of starting from the cooper part to up until it stops in the plastic part is better than putting the bracket between the barbs and the plastic part. there´s much more room from down to up than up to down. of course down - up doesn´t work, and that was my problem. But, the first time I installed it it was very tight with the plastic part, and didn´t loose, so I tought it was correctly installed also because it worked for like a month that way. Only yesterday when reassembling it is that it got loose and I tought something might be wrong.

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