Single Stage!!!

[BNDMOD]

Hi everyone, i'm looking for some information of how to do a single state.
I'm trying to get information, the way to make a new system of single state.
I hope that someone can help me.

I've most equipment to work with metal, tube and other things, but i'll can get equiment to work with gas and others thing that maybe i need to build a new system.

Well thanks for all......

[Pete]

Single Stage?

[BNDMOD]

Single Stage?

Single state it's not the same Phase?

[stormcloud]

Hi, I don't have a clue how to build one but someone definitely will. Try sending a PM to Ssilencer he lives in Buenos Aires so maybe he could be of help. Also Wdrzal knows loads and would be good to speak to about safety etc.

Good luck :)

[BNDMOD]

Hi, I don't have a clue how to build one but someone definitely will. Try sending a PM to Ssilencer he lives in Buenos Aires so maybe he could be of help. Also Wdrzal knows loads and would be good to speak to about safety etc.

Good luck :)

Yes i know that, but he has a lot of job and i don't want to storb his.
I've seen some work of he and it's a great job.....

[[XC] gomeler]

Well you can start by reading ALL of the stickied articles at the top of this forum. The amount of information contained within them is enormous, after you spend a few days/weeks/months looking over that information then determine if you are willing to drop atleast a few hundred USD in just tools, then finally start building units. It can be done very for very cheap but you get what you pay for, cheap rarely is very good and rarely is very safe. Read read read read read, and when you feel like you have read it all, read it all again. Welcome to the Phase Change forums, just ask questions and research.

[BNDMOD]

gomeler;2098011']Well you can start by reading ALL of the stickied articles at the top of this forum. The amount of information contained within them is enormous, after you spend a few days/weeks/months looking over that information then determine if you are willing to drop atleast a few hundred USD in just tools, then finally start building units. It can be done very for very cheap but you get what you pay for, cheap rarely is very good and rarely is very safe. Read read read read read, and when you feel like you have read it all, read it all again. Welcome to the Phase Change forums, just ask questions and research.

thanks man.... i'm very hapy for the kind of user there are here :d
Thanks.. other information would be very good attach

[Xeon th MG Pony]

Single state would be an ice cube or a cup of water, Single stage is a system that uses one condensing/evaporating stage.

So the proper term is, Single stage system, then direct die or chiller.
So one could say "I want to make a SS/dd unit(system)"

[BNDMOD]

ihh sorry sorry yes here i notice that error :d jejeje
i dont realise that i've written state and not stage :d

[SexyMF]

You rude ******s. Why don't we all jump on the band wagon and point out a minor spelling mistake for the person who probably has English as a second language.

Xeon so much of the time your spelling and grammer leave a lot to be desired.

Also, I wouldn't seek help from Wdrzal. He doesn't actually appear to build these systems, although he is the safety and enronment police.



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So it is as Gomeler said. Start with the stickied threads and ask further questions.

[Xeon th MG Pony]

Did you notice I was kindly helping him, how ironic you jump to insulting.

I did not comment on spelling either, I commented on the meaning, as they are totaly differant.

Who is the A*s here again? that was the only thing that needed to be mentioned.

I don't comment on spelling much as thats easy to mess up, but the meaning of a word is important.

[sacha35]

You rude ******s. Why don't we all jump on the band wagon and point out a minor spelling mistake for the person who probably has English as a second language.

Xeon so much of the time your spelling and grammer leave a lot to be desired.

Also, I wouldn't seek help from Wdrzal. He doesn't actually appear to build these systems, although he is the safety and enronment police.



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So it is as Gomeler said. Start with the stickied threads and ask further questions.

Don’t knock a man because he does not build units, I think his experience within the industry speaks for itself, yes he is the safety man, but this is a good thing that we should all do because it is ours and others safety that matters most not what is the best temps with the worst safety.

[Vuco]

This links I gathered when I was getting in the Vapor phase change cooling, hope it helps as it helped me (some of that is already here in the stickies). Maybe you have seen some of them (or all of them :))

One of the best guides that I found - by SoddemFX (http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9568)
Another guide with gas names and properties (http://www.phase-change.com/?page_id=8)
Another DIY guide (http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.38.1)
Guide at Teampuss (http://www.teampuss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=605)

Great old site with information on phase change (http://www.icecoldcomputing.com/index.php)
Advices for better builds (http://overclockerzforum.com/Files/Guides/Tips%20for%20system%20design.htm)
Phase change basics (http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=714&s=1)
Guide trough phase change parts (http://www.phase-change.com/?page_id=9)
Guide trough phase change parts 2 (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=369095)
Simplified guide (http://forums.pimprig.com/pcapex_daily_disturbance/18207-freeze_me_baby.html)
Additional tips on DIY builds (http://www.teampuss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=264&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)

Refrigeration basics (my advice to read it :)) (http://www.refrigerationbasics.com/1024x768/rb1.htm)
Another basic info on refrigeration (http://www.teampuss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=486)

Tools for DIY system (http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=713&s=1)

Superheat and subcooling information and calculation (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47815&highlight=supaheat+subcooling)
Evap gallery at Teampuss (http://www.teampuss.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=30)
Inside of a compressor (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=117425&highlight=Inside+compressor)

Gas information (http://www.videolife.kiev.ua/eng/refregerants/)
P/T charts (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.tu-dresden.de/mw/iem/kkt/mitarbeiter/lib/Kraus/kaeltemittel.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dr170%2Bboiling%2Bpoint%26hl%3Den%26lr %3D%26ie%3DUTF-8)
Refrigeration-engineer forum (http://www.refrigeration-engineer.com/forums/index.php)
howto braze article (http://www.thefabricator.com/TubePipeFabrication/TubePipeFabrication_Article.cfm?ID=575)
How to braze 2 (http://www.silfos.com/htmdocs/product_support/how_to_info.html)

Dummy load and calculation of the resistors (http://www.teampuss.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=871&highlight=dummy)
Calculator for dummy load tester - resistor type (http://www.arcol.co.uk/resistance-calculator.htm)
Example of load tester at XS (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=121884&highlight=resistors)
Compressors info (https://pgw100.portal.gases.boc.com/boc_sp/au/products/refrigeration/Compressors/index.asp)
Cheap oil separator (not needed in SS, but who knows:)) (http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10167)

Hope it helps you. I`am also in a process of building my own, have all the parts except a compressor which I will get in a while :).
The guys here at Phase section are great, helped me a lot (with parts and information).

Good luck with your build :)

Regards,
Sven

[K404]

Despite safety regulations, which I not advise anyone to break, some parts of unit assembly can be praticed seperate of other parts...like you can practise your brazing technique until you are happy to use the work on a unit.

I`m teaching myself how to braze as and when I can..you`ll need

Goggles
Welding gloves
High temperature clamps/grips
Brazing gun
brazing rods
borax flux powder
Some metal to practice on
a heat resistant surface...bricks or similar

I think thats the main stuff..google for brazing guide as well :)

EDIT: LOl Vuco beat me to it

[Xeon th MG Pony]

I missed the environment part.@S-mf We all breath the air, when some twit vents any where in the world in the end it does effect us ALL. We need more environment police not less.

@ Op
First thing you should build mate is a recovery unit! They are some what simple to make and if you wish to get into building is a very handy tool to have! as well as an important one.

[[XC] gomeler]

There is one more really good guide floating around which contains a link list like this, my own guide gets hits from it. Once I get another hit from it I'll link it up, can't remember the URL now.

[BNDMOD]

Man.. thank for all... and that's true english is my second lenguaje, so it's not good as I'd like. but it's there is.

Well i'm reading all information that yuors have give me.
It's a lot of information to read...
Well now i'm searching into the web looking for a guide step for step to do, but i suppoust that it's imposible.

[runmc]

Do you know what "Stickies" are? :)

[BNDMOD]

Do you know what "Stickies" are? :)

yes.. stickies here en argentina it's mean adherido.... mmm stickies want to say that something is quiet mmmm without movement !!

[SexyMF]

Man.. thank for all... and that's true english is my second lenguaje, so it's not good as I'd like. but it's there is.

I knew exactly what this person meant. It was not difficult, but Xeon had to be patronising with post #8.

[wdrzal]

Go to your local Library and get a book in your language in refrigeration, Study the basic physics of refrigeration and a simple single stage closed loop, as found in a air conditioning units ,refrigerators and colder & closer to what you will be doing a "freezer". All single stage with different evaporating temperatures, and depending on the gas used the condensing temperatures .Temperature gas turns to a liquid after the heat is squezed out by the compressor. It is when this sub-cooled liquid is passed thru a metering device, it changes back to a gas this is where all the heat is absorbed.

[Xeon th MG Pony]

I knew exactly what this person meant. It was not difficult, but Xeon had to be patronising with post #8.


And you had to be an a*ss. No I was trying to help as I knew what he meant as well, how ever there is a verry differant meaning. Now you may go back to play with the other children when you can learn to controll your self.

[serialk11r]

And you had to be an a*ss. No I was trying to help as I knew what he meant as well, how ever there is a verry differant meaning. Now you may go back to play with the other children when you can learn to controll your self.

:nono:
Wow I never knew you ppl did this here as well, I thought this kind of stuff only happened in speak freely. You guys aren't helping this dude by fighting over something like that.
Just to tell you, go back to the vapor phase change cooling section, and click right next to the hyperlinked text of your thread name, you should be able to change the thread title.

[SexyMF]

Be a bigger person Xeon. You were patronising. Look the word up. Re-read your post and think long and hard about why I pointed it out.

Then go and spell check and grammar check your own responses. I could be picky and tell you about every word you spell wrong and your poor grammar.

Then feed it back to you in the form of:

"You could say......." or This is how we use it in a sentence. etc etc etc

[SexyMF]

and serialk11r there is no fight... just one person who won't admit that he treated a new guy as an idiot by pointing telling him how to use a word in a sentence.
With examples even!

[serialk11r]

and serialk11r there is no fight... just one person who won't admit that he treated a new guy as an idiot by pointing telling him how to use a word in a sentence.
With examples even!

No fight when someone is calling someone else "you a******"?

[runmc]

yes.. stickies here en argentina it's mean adherido.... mmm stickies want to say that something is quiet mmmm without movement !!

If you look here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80) . You will see "Sticky" at the top of the page. If you look through these Sticky topics, you will find a ton of information on building and the things you will need.

The reason they are called Sticky is because they are important information and they are stuck at the top of the page so they won't move on as new post are added. You can find Stickies in every forum of XtremeSystems.

I hope you understand what I am saying. If you don't please ask.:) The thread title has been changed so let's move on with being helpful.

And thank you Vuco for all those great links.

[BNDMOD]

Thanks for all..... i now that this forums is full of people which knows a lots of things.
Thanks to who help me, and thanks for others peoples....

[Xeon th MG Pony]

We do what we can to help, and some do what they can to crap on thoughs who try and help ( As we saw a couple posts up)

We will certainly try and do all we can to help you dive into this new and exciting hobby as safe and environmentally friendly as plausible.

[Ssilencer]

@Vuco
Nice selection of links, I keep reading some of them as reminders from time to time.
@Sexymf
Take it easy man, I don't think "the pony" wanted to threat him as an idiot, and even if he did it, you can be more polite in your answer too.

And finally you BND|MOD
You can find almost all your answers here in the stickies, iirc, I was reading for months before asking a single question, the difference is now you can even build a unit just reading a guide and not having a clue of what you are doing. I think Vuco did the job for yourself, I preffer always the hard way.
You also have ref basics in Spanish at my private forum.

[Vuco]

@Vuco
Nice selection of links, I keep reading some of them as reminders from time to time.
Heh, me to. There is a lot of info on phase change systems, so you need to read it form time to time :)

But I wouldn`t agree on the last sentences. Some like it the easy way (I`m not saying that BND MOD is like this) and if the do the job properly and with safety precautions, can`t blame them for succeeding. :)
It means that either he had luck with it or he read all the info that he got, like 10 times, and got the basics.
I think that myself is somewhere on that road, I know how things work and what happens in each part of the system, but the biggest problem is that I couldn`t find where is the problem if and when the system that I built is not working well. That`s where you can see who the expert is. :)
And of course, the tuning of the system. That and problem resolving is where the experts came in advance before us n00bs :)

Hope you understood what I wanted to say.

And there is the other kind of people, that make something (let`s say a phase change system), then it doesn`t work, and then they either give it all up, or take this things more serious and study it all in details. :)

Hell, when I read what I wrote - I sound to myself like I`m an expert :D :p