Is 64bit XP usable now? Support and such?

[Drunner611]

Yeah, so I found a few posts that touched on these topics, but I'm still looking for a definitive answer.

1) Is XP 64bit good to use now? I know when it came out that it was like vista x64 is now. After a few years, is it a good idea to upgrade to? My job has a few extra copies lying around and I thought I would try if it was any good.

Thanks for your time and replies.

[amrgb]

If you have or want to have 4GB of ram or more, or if you have native 64bit versions of some CPU intensive programs you use then go ahead.

In general, to put XP64 to work with 32 bits apps is quite easy and problem free. The thing is that this alone is not worthy of change from XP to XP64. You're not going to see any real differences.

BTW, I'm using XP64 right now and I had zero problems making the switch from XP. I moved because I have 4GB ram.

[ColonelCain]

I've only got 2 gigs of ram, and it works fine. I am dual booting between the XP64 180-day trial and XP MCE, and I saw a performance boost.
Thats on AMD of course...

[Drunner611]

Yeah, XP 64 is running good now. I'm gonna throw 32bit Ubuntu on tonight or tomorrow for a little fun. Thanks for your opinions.

[nn_step]

outside of Linux, x64 is weak and buggy as hello

[Reznik Akime]

outside of Linux, x64 is weak and buggy as hello

Buggy as in how, Dear NN?

[nn_step]

Buggy as in how, Dear NN?

bad drivers and programmers forgetting to make modifications required to adapt to the 64bit environment

[Reznik Akime]

bad drivers and programmers forgetting to make modifications required to adapt to the 64bit environment

Of course! Why should they put effort into something everyone shuns for this very reason. Underdeveloped, buggy and made by incompetence.

Sounds like a Catch 22 to me.

[nn_step]

Of course! Why should they put effort into something everyone shuns for this very reason. Underdeveloped, buggy and made by incompetence.

Sounds like a Catch 22 to me.

Catch 22 is the market. For example most of your favorite games and applications run on Windows because most people use windows because their Favorite games and applications run on windows.

[Reznik Akime]

Catch 22 is the market. For example most of your favorite games and applications run on Windows because most people use windows because their Favorite games and applications run on windows.

But isn't that the reson why people make programs like Wine?

[nn_step]

But isn't that the reson why people make programs like Wine?

yes any and all efforts to gain market share and momentum are vitally important when attempting to gain an edge in such an extremely competitive market.

[Reznik Akime]

Okay, so in effect if more people want better x64 support it would be wise to code better. Correct? Shunning would only be counterproductive.

Personally ive not had a single issue running XP64, and now Vista 64. The drivers could be a wee bit better, but as far as stability goes I can truthfully say that I've seen far less BSODs or even just random issues on Microsoft's x64 offerings than I have on the standard x86.

[nn_step]

Okay, so in effect if more people want better x64 support it would be wise to code better. Correct?

Personally ive not had a single issue running XP64, and now Vista 64. The drivers could be a wee bit better, but as far as stability goes I can truthfully say that I've seen far less BSODs or even just random issues on Microsoft's x64 offerings than I have on the standard x86.

here is how it works. Someone has to take the leap and try to get everyone to follow it, no matter what it takes.
If a single company starts writing pure 64bit programs and there were no 64bit operating systems or processors, that company would go under extremely quickly.
The thing to remember is that 64bit systems can run 32bit code but 32bit systems can't run 64bit code. Idealistically Microsoft should have said with Vista, absolutely NO more 32bit operating systems; thus forcing the development of 64bit applications and drivers. However that didn't happen and now vendors are supporting what is closest to what they did with XP (32bit all the way)

[Reznik Akime]

here is how it works. Someone has to take the leap and try to get everyone to follow it, no matter what it takes.
If a single company starts writing pure 64bit programs and there were no 64bit operating systems or processors, that company would go under extremely quickly.
The thing to remember is that 64bit systems can run 32bit code but 32bit systems can't run 64bit code. Idealistically Microsoft should have said with Vista, absolutely NO more 32bit operating systems; thus forcing the development of 64bit applications and drivers. However that didn't happen and now vendors are supporting what is closest to what they did with XP (32bit all the way)

Well yeah. However, anyone not running a x64 compatible processor would be shafted. But like that really matters since they removed support for older hardware anyway. If im not mistaken it won't even install on K6/P3 lines of archetecture.

Alas, money is where its at anyway. Only when four gigabytes of ram become the norm will x64 truly flourish.

[nn_step]

Well yeah. However, anyone not running a x64 compatible processor would be shafted. But like that really matters since they removed support for older hardware anyway. If im not mistaken it won't even install on K6/P3 lines of archetecture.

Alas, money is where its at anyway. Only when four gigabytes of ram become the norm will x64 truly flourish.

actually if you are willing to step away from the comfortable windows, you can experience extremely well developed 64bit operating systems and applications AND Drivers

[Reznik Akime]

actually if you are willing to step away from the comfortable windows, you can experience extremely well developed 64bit operating systems and applications AND Drivers

Well, about that. Personally I've tried several different flavors of Linux like Kubuntu, Sabyan (However its spelled), Standard Ubuntu.. And I dunno. I don't care for any of them. Save for Sabayan (I will get it right eventually) which wouldn't even boot on my computer.

I figured it was some sort of Nvidia driver issue with the way it just crashes at this one particular part, but I never been arsed to troubleshoot it.

However, I do have a standard +3700 I want to make a fileserver out of. Perhaps you could recommend?

All in all, I perfer Windows. Never will I stray away from using it for my main and daily computer. However, I will use alternatives for more specialized applications.

[Drunner611]

NN, i was gonna go 64 bit Linux, but I heard there were some problems with Firefox/mp3/flash. And I need all 3, so I was just gonna go 32 bit there. 64 bit windows is running fine right now, but I still have my 32 bit disc ready if I don't like it.

[makatee]

NN, i was gonna go 64 bit Linux, but I heard there were some problems with Firefox/mp3/flash. And I need all 3, so I was just gonna go 32 bit there. 64 bit windows is running fine right now, but I still have my 32 bit disc ready if I don't like it.

There originally were some troubles with it, but it has since been figured out with a few relatively straightforward solutions. If you decide to go with 64 bit Linux and need help with it, PM me. :)

[pawl]

ive been running XP64 for aslong as its been out. and the beta before it. every game i have works well. all my apps run well. almost every overclocking tool supports 64bit aswell.

aktually im quite bored with the stability. the bastard thing just wont crash.

as a bonus there is no flash plugin for 64bit browsers ( ie or firefox ) -- and we all know that flash is only good for ads so its nice not beign able to see them. ( this is a bastard with youtube when ur surfing fast car videos - but u can still use 32bit IE if u need flash )

i only have one single problem. my particular model of HP printer isnt supported. so unless u have a laserjet 2600n there is no reason i know of not to upgrade.

[Chas_The_Man]

Flash, I agree, for the most part Flash is used for ads, but in the enterprise ABM Camp (Anything but Microsoft) some vendors are beginning to write Flash front ends where they once used Active X. Specifically, as of now, ACTUATE reports and some of our CASE tool vendors are writing Flash based tools. This appears to be in response to the rise in popularity of FireFox. So now we have Web 2.0 and Flash competing over the old Active X space. I swear, Internet development set us back 10 years and we are still not moving forward. Give me Powerbuilder or give me death.

[gr8golf]

Wow - this subject wears me out. Sure wish the critical mass would try and push forward - this includes the application developers and the consumer market. How many years should we all sit still on 32 bit? Maybe by 2015 the market will be ready to move on.

[clone38]

Well ive tryed vista ulti 64 bit and ive had nothing but trouble with it so im going back to xp for now until vista get`s more stable.

[screwtech02]

I've been runnin XP-64 for quite a while now, upgraded to SP2, even though i had no issues with SP1. OS has NEVER BSOD'd on me for any reason at all...

[Anemone]

Using Vista 64 Ult for couple months now and it's fine.