Vapo LS or Chiller

[Mankz_91]

I've been hunting around and i've got my sights set on two things...

Either a Vapochill LS with a 775 kit for about £200
or I can get a Modded Mach II Chiller for the same price.

I know that the Chiller is quieter, and that the LS gives crazzzzzyyy clocks

but the problem is that the chiller can cool everything in the PC ( GPU, NB blah..) while the vapo only does the CPU.

SO, basically, what would you go for.

(i might also get the LS re-gased)

[Brettbeck]

I'd probably go for the VapoLS and get it re-gassed. The chiller may be able to cool the GPU and NB etc too, but who keeps high overclocks on their GPU's and NB for 24/7 use? You tend to find people keep their CPU's clocked high with single-stages on them.

[Pete]

If you dont want ether please direct me to them as i will have ether!

Chilled you can cool it all and overclock it more than air and water on everything!

Vapo you can only cool the cpu...depends what ya want!

[TopherTony]

i would go with phase simply because you will get much lower temps and its more space efficient. A chiller can be massive and awkward but a ss will sit in the footprint of your case

[Mankz_91]

Right done some more home work...::

Chiller is near silent. i've been told that its quieter than the Intel referance cooler. It keeps the water anywere from -10* to + 15*C, and it comes in a custom made case made out of half a Lian LI PC-7 SE

Vapo, about a year old, but it does come witha head kit.

[n00b 0f l337]

I think I know the chiller ur talking about. Black case, user had it running two two 120mm rads in the loop?

[Mankz_91]

Yep, but he sold it onto someone else. I was hoping to go round a pick it up on Saturday.

I think that the Chiller might be the best option as i'm used to water-cooling but have no idea about Phase

[n00b 0f l337]

Its a very well made unit perfect for higher capacity and still very little insulation if you want. Or you can insulate and run it at colder temperatures. The beauty of the TXV. :)

[Pete]

Fatty made that unit i belive?

Did he have the rad running on it as some kidna ac style thing?

It's what i planned in my V2000B with Gray's custom unit in there and what i got earlyer when i did a test with some ice in my res..was nice cool air flow!

[TopherTony]

well what chip are you trying to cool? If it is a small capacity cooler and you are trying to cool an OCed C2D, chipset, and a gpu or two, a chiller that small probably wont give you sub zero temps, which is fine if you want don't want to insulate but your overclocking ability sufferes

[epion2985]

I know that the Chiller is quieter, and that the LS gives crazzzzzyyy clocks


No and no. A chiller is no quieter then a direct die system. Neither is direct die always colder. It all depends on the situation and how you design and build the system.

The only difference between the two is one has a small evaporator mounted directly on the cpu and the other has a heat exchanger for one though which it cools the coolant which then cools the cpu.

The noise has nothing to do with the size of your evap nor what it is cooling. They both use a compressor and a fan on the condenser. And either one can be made louder or quieter.

Direct die (given current heat loads) usually offers better temperatures due to higher efficiency. Though that might be changing soon as evaps are reaching their capacity. Chillers can cool more then one source easily as you just need to add water blocks to your loop.

I guess what it comes down to is do you want to cool more then your cpu down to those temperatures like the gpu, nb etc or not. If not then direct die is what you want, if yes then chiller.


i would go with phase simply because you will get much lower temps and its more space efficient. A chiller can be massive and awkward but a ss will sit in the footprint of your case

Phase? You use that too loosely considering that doesn't even mean anything. What is phase, a direct die application of phase change based refrigeration cooling? Then what principal does the chiller work on? Nuclear powered tec :rolleyes:? They both work on the principal of phase change based refrigeration.

Only reason chillers are massive is because people make them that way. You can make a chiller in a direct die sized case and it has been done many times here.

[star882]

Only reason chillers are massive is because people make them that way. You can make a chiller in a direct die sized case and it has been done many times here.
And they're often bigger due to the presence of a buffer tank and higher capacity to make them more useful...

No and no. A chiller is no quieter then a direct die system. Neither is direct die always colder. It all depends on the situation and how you design and build the system.
A chiller is much easier to set up in a remote installation, though... And that alone can greatly reduce noise.

[epion2985]

And they're often bigger due to the presence of a buffer tank and higher capacity to make them more useful...

Irrelevant. A properly sized chillers needs no buffer tank. Again compensations for the shortcomings of the design, a chiller can be made small if its considered in the design.

[Mankz_91]

Well, i'm hoping to pick up the chiller on Saturday, And i've got myself a nice little Celly 327 (or something) and some 5300 C3 Ballistix to have fun wth.

Here are some pics of what it should look like.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/Mankz_91/chiller2.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/Mankz_91/cooler1.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/Mankz_91/PICT0012.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f266/Mankz_91/PICT0022.jpg

(I also guess this thread should be moved to the chillers section as its not got much to do with phase anymore..)

[Noob-ftw]

That is a very nice looking chiller!

[Xeon th MG Pony]

A ice building tank can be used if one wishes for a system with out a 100% duty cycle and is content with 1 to 2C coolant temps (Temps depend on the design of the ice building tank!)

[LittleDevil]

Not bad at all ;)

regards

[Mankz_91]

Thx. Remember, its not mine until Saturday..!!

I'll give the specs. of what it can see, and post setup and temps..

Thinking about either laser cutting the side panel, or possibly shoving a few 4" CCFLs into it.

[n00b 0f l337]

No TXV?

[Mankz_91]

???

[TopherTony]

it regulates the amount of refrigerant in the place or a cap tube, dont worry about it

[n00b 0f l337]

Ah I was thinking he was using a TXV as you said the temperature could be varied +10C to -25C.

[epion2985]

if one is content with 1 to 2C coolant temps

yeah, I keep telling ya, you wont find anyone like that here except you.... :D

Most people here bench not run water chilled server farms out of their closet :)

[Mankz_91]

Ok, I've been having a thought about dew-point and condensation blah, blah, blah, and i think i've got a good idea.. I run the water from the chiller round throught the CPU, then through a BIX at the front, cooling the air thats coming into the case to below that of the air-outside the case.

ohh, i can't wait to the weekend, my Celly is going to be punished!

[Stapler]

^That's just going to add extra load, just insulate, it's not that complicated.

[[XC] gomeler]

Agreed, just insulate the system or atleast have it so that the system is tuned to slightly above the dew point of average ambient at your house. No sense wasting power chilling the air entering the case, that's like someone venting LN2 into a air-sink, just makes no sense.

[Mankz_91]

Cool. I'll go buy a hole load tommorow.