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danyblasco2

03-24-2007, 09:44 PM

AND YOU WILL NOT FIND THEM EITHER ARE CUSTOM MADE BY MANUFACTURER FOR US, SOON WILL LET YOU KNOW THE RESULTS OF THE TESTING.

danyblasco2

details on the comp?

Ah very nice, havent found a source for these. Might be nice due to accumulator and lower suction pressure if there up to snuff.

n00b 0f l337

03-24-2007, 09:45 PM

Caps lock or tone control, either way, it seems you dont post on forums alot.
If these are the energy efficienct compressors reggie wanted, wonderful.

Xeon th MG Pony

03-24-2007, 09:56 PM

Been hunting for that type system, perhaps you could get some batches made to sell?

danyblasco2

03-24-2007, 09:56 PM

Rated power supplay 115 Volts

Displacement in cm3 21

Nominal Capacity 3360 Watts

Nominal Capacity kal/hour 2924

BTU/Hour 11560

Imput power 1340

Work Current Amps 5.6

details on the comp?

n00b 0f l337

03-24-2007, 09:58 PM

So its like a 1hp rotary...

Xeon th MG Pony

03-24-2007, 10:00 PM

Thats all it is, just horizontaly mounted, thats all I want is a low profile rotery vane compressor, not rotery piston.

sacha35

03-25-2007, 01:50 AM

very nice, should see some good units built with these, it is a pitty that they are in 115v as i am in the uUK we need 240volts.

sacha

TopherTony

03-25-2007, 02:18 AM

so I'm still looking for the manufacturer's spec on these....does it exist?

epion2985

03-25-2007, 02:57 AM

Guys We Going Rotary , They Just Arrive 3260 Watts For 115 Volts , R22 , Well Be Doing Testing Soon And Posting The Results

Rotaries are an abomination to my ears. If its louder and vibrates more then the small danfoss reciprocating piston compressors nf11fx, nf10fx and nf9fx I am not interested, but good luck :)

so I'm still looking for the manufacturer's spec on these....does it exist?

Read above, he just said you won't find anything as these are custom made for them.

TopherTony

03-25-2007, 03:26 AM

yeah.....i just realized that.....dang, a custom made compressor....I actually have never heard of that...though I haven't been around long

Brettbeck

03-25-2007, 03:36 AM

Nice. The horizontal mount may make them able to fit in single-stage cases.

Anyone could get custom made compressors if they wanted, you just have to order in bulk most of the time.

wdrzal

03-25-2007, 03:50 AM

AND YOU WILL NOT FIND THEM EITHER ARE CUSTOM MADE BY MANUFACTURER FOR US, SOON WILL LET YOU KNOW THE RESULTS OF THE TESTING.

danyblasco2

So your company name will be on them????

surley you don't order custom compressors without specing their parameters???

sounds fishy again

noob there is a accumlator on the one pictured

Gray Mole

03-25-2007, 06:23 AM

Horizontal scroll types are available here in the UK.

They're a little pricey, but being of a scroll variety they should be fairly quiet. The vibration is the main thing though, I noticed that even on the small 3.5cc horizontal scroll I tested, it was quiet but the vibration was difficult to deal with.

Walt, I know you're looking out for us, and we do appreciate it :)

Reggie has mentioned his partner to me before, and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and a certain amount of trust. Trust can be a very difficult thing to gain here, and very very easy to lose. I hope they both keep that in mind for this venture.

I really hope this means the beginning of a real comeback for Reg, it's like something has been missing without him around here.

As it's been said though, it's great to see things starting to happen, but advertisement and sales belong in the 'services' and 'for sale' forums.

I'm looking forward to seeing how these perform for you guys though, and I hope to see your website up and running soon :toast:

Gray

n00b 0f l337

03-25-2007, 10:17 AM

noob there is a accumlator on the one pictured
I know, I said there was.

SoF

03-25-2007, 11:11 AM

the fact that this would fit in a single stage case is really nice.
waiting for some results, hope it comes out good :toast:

Ssilencer

03-25-2007, 03:23 PM

the fact that this would fit in a single stage case is really nice.
waiting for some results, hope it comes out good :toast:

115v x 5.6amps working 24/7, it would be the rich guys single stage :p

sacha35

03-25-2007, 03:49 PM

115v x 5.6amps working 24/7, it would be the rich guys single stage :p

Agree 5.6amps 24/7 for a S/S, i think this is looking good but not for 24/7 apllication

n00b 0f l337

03-25-2007, 03:52 PM

Power consumption drops as evap temps drop.

Stapler

03-25-2007, 03:56 PM

Do you think we could get a larger copy of the drawing with dimensions?

[XC] gomeler

03-25-2007, 04:41 PM

Definitely not a 24/7 solution unless you generate your own power. 21 cc displacement is great though, would make a great autocascade compressor I'm sure.

About the powerconsumption dropping with the dropping temps this is because more of the gas is being condensed so the compressor is doing less work as it pumps less flow. When tuning a system plug it up to a kill-a-watt, I'll be going into this when I post about my autoc as I thought it was interesting.

sacha35

03-25-2007, 04:47 PM

Power consumption drops as evap temps drop.

I do understand this, but even with this power drop it would not make for a 24/7 setup unless you get free electricity.

n00b 0f l337

03-25-2007, 05:25 PM

Yes it is true. I wonder why they want those rotarys anyway.

wdrzal

03-25-2007, 05:27 PM

I know, I said there was.

yes I apogize I was skim reading to fast, and mis read I thought you said "would be nice if there was a acummulator"

Xeon th MG Pony

03-25-2007, 05:46 PM

Theirs doen't have liquid injection, So not as good as one horizontal mount that I was looking at, but the BTU rating is good.

Ssilencer

03-25-2007, 06:31 PM

Power consumption drops as evap temps drop.

Not enough to be economical

epion2985

03-27-2007, 01:09 AM

Not enough to be economical

I wouldn't call this an economical hobby period :)

sacha35

03-27-2007, 01:20 AM

I wouldn't call this an economical hobby period :)

no but we need to make this as econmical as possible, i mean you dont want a S/S that wll cost you $1000,00 to run a year do you?

boshuter

03-27-2007, 05:11 AM

Does a rotary have to be a special design to work on it's side? How does the oil situation work with them mounted on the side?

runmc

03-27-2007, 05:39 AM

Does a rotary have to be a special design to work on it's side? How does the oil situation work with them mounted on the side?

Good question. As you can see the accumulator is turned to be vertical and the mounting is placed differently. I wonder if you can do some modding on a typical rotary to mounting and accumulator to make it mount horizontal?

Let's give it a try.

Ssilencer

03-27-2007, 05:44 AM

I wouldn't call this an economical hobby period :)
compared with what? car tuning? antiques? car racing? rockets? even philatelic is expensive that this hobby
a 200watts units cost you about U$S15 a month in your electric bill, this one will costs you about U$S45 a month... (using this calculator (http://www.csgnetwork.com/elecenergycalcs.html) )
If you like to throw U$S30 monthly just for 5c better temps, be my guest.
Or maybe you are not paying the bills.

wdrzal

03-27-2007, 06:33 AM

Good question. As you can see the accumulator is turned to be vertical and the mounting is placed differently. I wonder if you can do some modding on a typical rotary to mounting and accumulator to make it mount horizontal?

Let's give it a try.

NO :nono: :nono: :nono:

boshuter

03-27-2007, 06:59 AM

NO :nono: :nono: :nono:

Can we get a "why not" ;) .. I assume it's a problem with oiling.

boshuter

03-27-2007, 07:08 AM

compared with what? car tuning? antiques? car racing? rockets? even philatelic is expensive that this hobby
a 200watts units cost you about U$S15 a month in your electric bill, this one will costs you about U$S45 a month... (using this calculator (http://www.csgnetwork.com/elecenergycalcs.html) )
If you like to throw U$S30 monthly just for 5c better temps, be my guest.
Or maybe you are not paying the bills.

You evidently don't do any benching ;) I'm always amazed at posts like this, this is still primarily an xtreme overclocking site and if you have to worry about the power bill ...... well :rolleyes: you probably shouldn't be considering phase change anyway. $45 a month is nothing compared to what it cost to bench for a weekend on ln2 ;)

runmc

03-27-2007, 07:38 AM

NO :nono: :nono: :nono:

Can we get a "why not" ;) .. I assume it's a problem with oiling.

Please give us an explanation on this Walt.:) What would be the difference in the horizontal and vertical rotary? They look the sam on the outside. :shrug:

blind_ripper

03-27-2007, 07:40 AM

this looks like something i seen on a site here in belguim .
http://www.toshiba-airco.be/uk/helical_compressor.htm
look at how the rotary is laying ;)

Unknown_road

03-27-2007, 08:06 AM

Please give us an explanation on this Walt.:) What would be the difference in the horizontal and vertical rotary? They look the same on the outside. :shrug:

I don't know for sure but I can imagine oil but also bearings etc. Don't cancel gravity out as a force acting on the moving parts. I wouldn't be surprised if a normal rotary jumped up and down when placed horizontal, the forces suddenly aren't equal in the direction of movement.

@blind_ripper: that's not a rotary.

runmc

03-27-2007, 08:25 AM

I guess they are different on outside appearance. :( Discharge line is in a totally different position.

[XC] gomeler

03-27-2007, 08:49 AM

I know for a fact that my rotary absolutely hates life if it isn't exactly vertical, it makes quite the racket if I tip it ever slightly while it is operating. I have a feeling a vertical rotary placed horizontally would grind/bang itself to death.

lalPOOO

03-27-2007, 08:53 AM

You evidently don't do any benching ;) I'm always amazed at posts like this, this is still primarily an xtreme overclocking site and if you have to worry about the power bill ...... well :rolleyes: you probably shouldn't be considering phase change anyway. $45 a month is nothing compared to what it cost to bench for a weekend on ln2 ;)

Xtreme or not, for 24/7 use, which is what ssilencer is refeering to, $15/m vs $45/m is a fairly expensive difference, costing you $360 more per year to run. With that said, if you're going for overkill, you're better off with an autocascade or cascade solution using this compressor.

[XC] gomeler

03-27-2007, 08:58 AM

This would be an autocascade compressor, there is no reason to use a 1HP compressor in a single stage unless you just want bragging rights on the most in-efficient single stage on the forums. Would probably be a beast for an autoc though, makes me want one..

wdrzal

03-27-2007, 10:49 AM

I don't have time now but it mostly has to due with oiling and the axis of loads and the type of Bearings selected to support those loads. If you study up on all the different types of bearings and what loads they are best for,typical bearings support usually either radial or thrust loads or both,one is usually much greater than the other by changing the compressor 90 degrees the direction of the load changes,it's complex. Even the thermal temperature change has to be figured in as metal expands and contracts & affects minimums & maximum clearances. this is especially problematic on large commercial compressors where the motor and compressor are not on a common shaft. Alignment is critical and changes with temperature.

their are machinery that can be mounted in any position or maybe on a given number of axis they where designed for.

hermetic compressor are not. It would be to expensive and not necessary.

Ssilencer

03-27-2007, 10:50 AM

You evidently don't do any benching ;) I'm always amazed at posts like this, this is still primarily an xtreme overclocking site and if you have to worry about the power bill ...... well :rolleyes: you probably shouldn't be considering phase change anyway. $45 a month is nothing compared to what it cost to bench for a weekend on ln2 ;)

Sorry to make you amaze... :stick:
I don bech, and when I do it, I do it for some hours, I don't live benching 24/7...
So you will teach me on phase change now? lol!
:toast:

Xeon th MG Pony

03-27-2007, 11:01 AM

I don't know for sure but I can imagine oil but also bearings etc. Don't cancel gravity out as a force acting on the moving parts. I wouldn't be surprised if a normal rotary jumped up and down when placed horizontal, the forces suddenly aren't equal in the direction of movement.

@blind_ripper: that's not a rotary.

The concept is the exact same, the diff is slightly different mechanical set up as walt explained nothing special other then lower mounting hight, which is beneficial for allot, would be handy for my self.

danyblasco2

03-29-2007, 03:30 AM

The diference between horizontal and vertical compressor is the height of horizontal compressor is obiously much lower than vertical. Because of low height the horizontal compressor ensure biggest effective volume in the showcase. for example a horizontal compressor can be used in some car roof top air-conditioner.
The performance of horizontal compressor is same as the vertical compressor.
The oil system of horizontal compressor is different from vertical because of horizontal.
In all, the biggest advantage of horizontal compressor is height. It is much lower than vertical giving us the opotunity of using it in direct phase case, also the compressors that we got for testing are about 8000 btu, we only got this for testing we are on the work to get manufacture 6000 btu horizontal rotary wich it should lower the expense of running them. we will have result of the testing soon. Keep your eyes open.

danyblasco2

Please give us an explanation on this Walt.:) What would be the difference in the horizontal and vertical rotary? They look the sam on the outside. :shrug:

wdrzal

03-29-2007, 03:43 AM

ron answered moslty in post 44, the pick up and probably other small details that complete oiling system .And for sure the bearings position and type are different.

You can't lay a vertical compressor down or stand a horzantal one up. unless they want the added expense of a multiposition compressor design
and I see no need for that.

ron I,m going on a 200 mile trip here in a hour,I may come home tonight or just keep going somewhere for a weekrnd vacation.