Any Wise words form the pro's

[someonee]

A friend referred me to you guys Don't :) let me down. I went out to get a high end system because I don't like to be restricted to doing things like playing new games like on my notebook. But I don't play that many games anyway but that is the way I am so I bought few things from tigerdirect and now I have to return the power supply because I was not carfull when buying and now that I look for the reviews it not even a good one. Hears what I have a budget of $400 for a water cooler if you could build a cooler with that budget from scratch what would you do. I bought Thermaltake Big Water 745 Liquid Cooling System but after thoughts of being in a hurry to get a adquite system made me think there is better stuff out there. Hear is what I have

- T925-2190 Thermaltake Big Water 745 Liquid Cooling -RETURNING IT
- C283-1118 Cooler Master 600W 20+4 Pins Power Supply -RETURNING IT
- C13-2022 Corsair TWINX 2048MB PC6400 DDR2
- CP2-DUO-E6400 Intel Core2 Duo E6400 2.13Ghz Socket 775
- E145-7892 EVGA GeForce 7900 GS KO 256MB PCIe -I GOT TWO OF THOUS
- A455-2322 Asus P5N-E SLI Socket 775 Motherboard
- N27-1895 NEC AD-7170A Black Super Multi 18X
- TSD-400H3 SY Hitachi 400GB Serial ATA HD - TWO DRIVES WILL RUN RAID
- ULT31824 Ultra Aluminus Mid Tower ATX Case Black

So I took your guys advice and got "Iwaki WMD 20rlt External Water Pump" from championlighting.com because there the only guy I seams to find to order to Canada. Acourding to Toms hardware review
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills/page6.html
My processer can do 3.1G

The main thing I'm thinking about there is a few things but how to you mount all the stuff I was looking at the different Radiators at ncix because there local. And I have no idea why anybody buys this stuff one it cost alot and two where do you put it all they don't seam to come with mounts.

So I was thinking I either need two pumps or I need two radiators don't know. Will have Reservoir pump cpu video1 then rad then back two video2 then send hot water to res then thou cpu in a loop. Will that be cool enuf as I wounder how smart is is to send hot back into something without going thru a second rad. Or I can spend more have a small rad for the cpu small pump cheap Danger Den Mag II for $47 and have a small loop just for the cpu. The next thing I could do is add a second rad to the system. Res pump cpu video1 rad video2 rad and that should be fairly good. I'm fairly open to any good Ideas nothing to crazy. My friend was telling me that it is a job in its self to add a block to a video card as well you will void the warranty so that is why I have a budget of $400 I don't want to cheap out on good stuff. Have any advice on mounting the radiators so on. What do you think about this http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21011&vpn=NF-S12-800&manufacture=Noctua this fan only has 8db that is the best I found costing a whole $20bucks.

[TopherTony]

well for starters, since you are new to water cooling, i wouldnt get too elaborate with it. You may want to look into the koolance exos systems. They are external units that are self contianed with a pump, rad, fans, and temp display, all you need to supply is the water block and maybe some tubing. If you dont want to void the warranty on you cards you can just leave them....or just replace the stock coolers when you need to rma them...not that i have ever done this before........that i can remember.......

anyways you may want to look into that, you can also add another 120.1 rad in the line to cool the loop in between components. Your chip is capable of speeds in excess of 4 ghz.

Because THG has said something is usually the best reason to question wether it's true.

That was told to me by a wise man once.

You can get 3.1 ghz on air most likely. With water you can go much further. But if you dont want to go with a premade setup, you can always look in the water cooling section stickies and look at the best of the best that has already been studied and proven before.

Look at stores like petra, frozencpu as well for parts.

[someonee]

Well yes and no ... I'm new and that is where most people start I was looking at different reviews and it endless plus the cost of have video card prebuid with a block is alot. You said that my chip can go to 4G I believe that but tell me the source to where you got that info. I will figer this out the easy way or the hard way if that is what I have to do. I was thinking with all the prebuilt systems there is drawbacks as you see on the reviews. You can build a custom system for the same price and get better results that is why I custom design my computer. I just did not do enuf research to begin with. The stuff should be coming in the mail march 27 , 28 . Anyway I have already ordered the pump so I'm half way there. I have not worked with pump before so I don't know what I can do with it if there was a calculator that would make it much easier but that is why I'm asking if it is smart to have two rads.

[jmilcher]

Dtek Fuzion
PA 120.3
Maze5 or Swifty GPU blocks
(3) Yate Loon 120mm's

Misc connectors and tubing etc...

All less than $400 and would perform like a beast!

[Senater_Cache]

stay away from kits.
even though your are new to watercooling you can only learn by doing (and reading a lot)
I suggest you read alot about it. stickies here are a good start.
then configure yoru own individual components.

Dtek Fuzion or Apogee GT
GPU block
swiftech MCR320
3x yate Loons

will perform amazing and be inexpensive

[someonee]

Can't find Dtek Fuzion at ncix is that the cpu block

but swiftech MCR320 is a 3/8 pipe I have a 1/2 pipe from the waterpump I'm ordering

I don't know about yate loons as they make alot of noise 25db when that fan I was looking at was 8db much much quiteter and slightly more powerfull.

[serialk11r]

Yate Loons are very inexpensive fans that many people buy because they are very good in terms of noise, and very very cheap. They have great pressure, airflow, and are pretty quiet.

[spider_d]

NCIX has it...
But Direct canada probably has most of it cheaper. I've been pricing around and I can't find better then these guys. That said, NCIX has never let me down.

http://www.directcanada.com/category/?minorcatid=1358

PS. Anyone who can find a good selection of IN STOCK reservoirs in Canada would be henceforth known as Guru or God. Your choice.

I'm looking for a 5 1/4 bay reservoir with 1/2 barbs, in clear or UV blue.

And the holy grail, i'm looking for that too.

D.

[[XC] Aerosupra]

dont know what you can get in Canada, but - my favourite REServoirs are Swiftech MCRES micro (lots of mounting options and pretty compact) and EK multi-option res (various tubing-connection options)

personally, I dont like the drive-bay Reservoirs

[TopherTony]

ok i may have overstated it a lil bit. It may not be easy, but defiinitly possible. The average OC for 6400's is around 3.5 however 11 guys on this forum got over 4 on either water or air, not to mention any other forums

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/171020-conroe-6400-1-45-volts-too.html - he got 3.6 on air at 1.45 volts

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/167674-6400-ocs-settings-temps.html?highlight=6400+water -some more 6400's

here is a list of C2D overclocks-----4.2 on water & 4.1 on air etc...
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115109&highlight=6400+water

[someonee]

I think I will get my Pump was $165 and maybe more

D-TEK Customs Fuzion CPU Water Block S478/LGA775/S939/AM2/S754 1/2IN Barbs (FZ-CP) In Stock $71.65

MAZE5-RAMSIN... Danger Den MAZE5 Acetal Top 1/2IN Barbs & Swiftech MC14 Ramsink Bundle (MAZE5-RAMSINK-BUNDLE) In Stock $68.43

MAZE5-RAMSIN... Danger Den MAZE5 Acetal Top 1/2IN Barbs & Swiftech MC14 Ramsink Bundle (MAZE5-RAMSINK-BUNDLE) In Stock $68.43

DHGT3 HW Labs Black Ice GT Stealth 360 Triple 120MM Water Cooling Radiator Black 1/2IN Barbs In Stock $73.78

DHGT3 HW Labs Black Ice GT Stealth 360 Triple 120MM Water Cooling Radiator Black 1/2IN Barbs In Stock $73.78

Tygon R-3603 1/2IN ID 3/4IN OD Tubing 5 Feet (DDTT51) In Stock $22.74

Tygon R-3603 1/2IN ID 3/4IN OD Tubing 5 Feet (DDTT51) In Stock $22.74

Danger Den Brass Fillport W/ Wrench (DFPBR) In Stock $15.70

somehow the math deos not work out $510 and I still need a few other things like fans, is there a better way to still meet my budget.

As well I just found this Radiator back flushing tool

http://www.princessauto.com/_osn.cfm?CTRY=CAN&output=OSN&SRCH=1&SRCHAREA=OSN&T1=RADIATOR%20%20BACK%20FLUSHING%20TOOL

[Holst]

You dont need two rads unless you want things very quiet.
Mounting two rads is a pain and extra expense for very little performance gain.
If you find that one tripple rad isnt coping then you can allways add another later for little trouble.

(I used to run my 400watt pelt system quite well on a 2x120mm rad with some not-noisy fans. So a tripple rad on your system should be ok)

I would firstly watercool your CPU...
THEN add GPU cooling later.

Although watercooling isnt all that difficult to install you can make mistakes when learning - on a brand new and very expensive system is going to be expensive if something goes wrong.

99% of watercooling leaks/problems/breakages are due to rushing your build or mistakes due to inexperience (IMO)
please take your time when deciding what to buy and take allot of time installing and LEAK TESTING.
A few extra hours spent making sure everything is 100% might save you allot of money and time.

Oh, and can you please keep discution on topic (watercooling) not C2D overclocks.. well at least untill you get the system built and you can tell us what your chip and cards did on water. :D

[KaptCrunch]

Can't find Dtek Fuzion at ncix is that the cpu block

but swiftech MCR320 is a 3/8 pipe I have a 1/2 pipe from the waterpump I'm ordering

I don't know about yate loons as they make alot of noise 25db when that fan I was looking at was 8db much much quiteter and slightly more powerfull.

the link (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=22081&vpn=FZ-CP&manufacture=D-Tek%20Customs) at ncix with 1/2 barb's

[KaptCrunch]

As well I just found this Radiator back flushing tool


note the max air pressure is 15lbs for rads so best use a compressed air regulator with this tool.

[spider_d]

I bet you could save $50 by shopping with Direct canada. $20 on the D tek alone! Plus, i've been dealing with their customer service and it's the best that I've experienced during an internet sale. As good as Petra's Ngo, can't say enough good things about those guys.

http://www.directcanada.com/category/?minorcatid=1358

Dan

[Solarfall]

since you are watercooling virgin i would recommend that you check out this site. http://www.petrastechshop.com/wacoki.htm
they sell high quality wc kit's that yould be ideal for a noob like your self. :D

[serialk11r]

since you are watercooling virgin i would recommend that you check out this site. http://www.petrastechshop.com/wacoki.htm
they sell high quality wc kit's that yould be ideal for a noob like your self. :D
Or you can order exactly whats inside the kits for a bit less $$$ ;)
Just do some reading, lots of it, and you'll understand it more.

[someonee]

I will try to make ncix match the price that will be eiseir then ordering online so I go from $510 to $418 and if I remove one rad its $351.66 But I kinda want that rad so I don't have to send cold water thur one video card then hot thur the second but I guess I can give it a try with one. But I still need to buy fans and figer out the mounts once I get it.

[spider_d]

Don't think of it as cold water through one component and warm water through the next...the water in the system will reach an equilibrium that won't change much from component to component.

I've heard that a 1C change is fairly normal. The key, i think, is getting the water as close to ambient as possible at the rad (or rads). The more heat removed from the system at the rad, the lower temps will be at the component, if all other factors are held constant. Hence, a good rad is essential to any water cooling system. Without it, heat removed from the components will accumulate in the water until the equilibrium is reached with the heat removed at the rad.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I've only been here a month.

[serialk11r]

I will try to make ncix match the price that will be eiseir then ordering online so I go from $510 to $418 and if I remove one rad its $351.66 But I kinda want that rad so I don't have to send cold water thur one video card then hot thur the second but I guess I can give it a try with one. But I still need to buy fans and figer out the mounts once I get it.

The water won't heat up that fast. The temperature difference is like 0.5C.

[someonee]

I was thinking about coper pipe that way I could have the water cooling at any point in the system I can pick it up 12F for $22 1/2 inside diameter. Its soft coper so I can bend it by hand and there is kits I can buy to attach hardware. Either sauder (I hope that is how u spell it) or crip the hardware on. As well it will be stronger then the plastic piping that most people use.

[serialk11r]

I was thinking about coper pipe that way I could have the water cooling at any point in the system I can pick it up 12F for $22 1/2 inside diameter. Its soft coper so I can bend it by hand and there is kits I can buy to attach hardware. Either sauder (I hope that is how u spell it) or crip the hardware on. As well it will be stronger then the plastic piping that most people use.
Its about preference, and plus people don't use plastic pipe, they use plastic TUBING. Who said plastic tubes break?????

[someonee]

You know what I ment ..... and I think coper will be extra cooling as it goes to the rad

[serialk11r]

OH okay, uh well, I don't think it'll make a big difference, and besides, if your case has bad ventilation, it'll just heat everything up.

[someonee]

I'm willing to give it a try to see if the pipe even heats up enuf to dissipate and if it does maybe I will mod it too have some fines somewhat of a heat sink.

[serialk11r]

With that radiator, no way. Well if you have good air circulation, then attach some copper fins on ;)

[someonee]

Well I got the water pump today that is a big fat heavy sucker it better be good. As well I changed a few things on my computer now have the proper conro e6600 and well ocz 700w power suppy two new harddives if I can figer out raid. And some realy quite fans except the cpu fan is load but it has qfan function too. I was trying to go to the local store to match the price but they did not have it in stock so I looked at directcanada.com and they don't have alot of stuff in stock either. They have a few things there but I don't know If I should get them or not what do you guys think I should do.

[someonee]

I have a 22" acer widescrean

With that radiator, no way. Well if you have good air circulation, then attach some copper fins on
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