Question.. Vista gaming=Poor performance, OS or Drivers?

[Daveb2012]

It seems from what I have seen, and what I have read gaming just isn't up to par with XP when using vista, Nvidia or ATI gpu. So my question is, what is the true culprut of this? Is it immature driver support, or is it from the actual OS? Do any of you feel that driver support can come far enough along to match the performance you get with XP? :stick:

[Carfax]

I would say most of the poor performance attributed to Vista in games is due to immature drivers..

It will take time for the drivers to mature, and then Vista will be faster than XP in most, if not all cases..

From what I've seen, the OS seems to be very efficient, much more than XP.

[TopherTony]

isn't windows server 2003 faster in gamin and 3d apps than xp? so isn't it plausible that xp will always be faster than vista even after the drivers come out for it?

[ziddey]

I get way worse 3d performance in vista than in 2k3. I think it's bad drivers. Although I have nvidia, but ati could be the same. immature at the moment

[Hondo=TFD=]

I have XP Pro and Vista Ultimate installed on my computer. XP is faster for games right now. I think when better drivers come out for Nvidia and Ati, Vista will be up to par with XP.

[Reznik Akime]

Yes, Vista needs some serious work on it's drivers. Especially from Nvidia's house. Ive got this odd stuttering issue in Oblivion that I never had in XP. Like it shows the same frame for several moments before switching to another instead of just downright dropping like it should.

Or something like that. Its hard to explain without actually seeing it.

[keiths]

Somewhat drivers, a lot OS. Until someone comes out with hacks and tweaks to get rid of the DRM, which slows things down even when not using DRM stuff, it will stay slower than xp, even after drivers mature.

[Reznik Akime]

Somewhat drivers, a lot OS. Until someone comes out with hacks and tweaks to get rid of the DRM, which slows things down even when not using DRM stuff, it will stay slower than xp, even after drivers mature.

What is the process that controls DRM, If I may ask.

[keiths]

Wouldn't it be nice of Microsoft if they made circumventing DRM cruft that easy. DRM is integral to how Vista runs, scattered throughout. I imagine things will require crack like solutions to skip past DRM steps, but maybe they have some hidden switches or options to turn the crap off. Perhaps driver rewrites or wrappers written with vista drivers DDK.

[Reznik Akime]

Well, there is one person here who supposedly knows how to remove it. :stick:

[keiths]

It's not an "it." As I said, DRM is integrated throughout Vista. There's more than one part to it. But, progress has been made. A quick search shows I was on target about it requiring a crack solution and driver rewrites and wrappers.

First step is to disable patchguard: http://uninformed.org/ Which then allows one to write custom drivers, wrappers, & patches, without them getting rejected.

Here's a /. article on an unreleased proof of concept mod to bypass the video/audio path part of Vista DRM. He disabled patchguard, then disabled the DRM for v/a. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/29/1811201
With this patch, other vista DRM is still dragging the system down, like the disk/file system DRM, etc. It all has to be patched.