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mascaras

03-17-2007, 08:03 AM

GeForce 8800 Ultra to Launch with the 8600 Series
Published on March 15th, 2007

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According to several of NVIDIA’s partners, NVIDIA is planning to release their GeForce 8800 Ultra together with the soon to be released GeForce 8600 series. The word in the halls is saying that NVIDIA is planning to release several GPU’s on the same day. The 8300 GS, 8400 GS, 8500 GT, 8600 GT, 8600 GTS and the new ‘monster’, the 8800 Ultra. According to the same sources, the GeForce 8800 Ultra will be an overclocked version of the 8800 GTX aimed to deal with the upcoming threat from ATI’s R600. The exact specification and technical details are still unknown at this stage. It is known that many of NVIDIA’s partners are preparing for a hard launch.

It is also rumored that NVIDIA is planning to end the life of the GeForce 7 line on the 28th of April though none of our sources have agreed to give us the exact release date. According to other reports, it is the 17th of April, but it still unofficial. On another note, some of our sources have told us that they will release an AGP version of the GeForce 7900 GS and 7950 GT to compete with ATI’s latest AGP solution - the Radeon X1950 PRO AGP. It seems that you can already find these appearing on the market and available through limited sources.

And since we are talking NVIDIA, it seems that they have also launched a new IGP chipset for AMD and Intel. I am talking about GeForce 7050. A few motherboards are already appearing at the CeBIT computer show. This is a DirectX 9.0, Shader Model 2 GPU with HDMI and HDCP support. According to other sites, NVIDIA has already announced about it.

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=articles&go=read&arc_id=130

regards

Shintai

03-17-2007, 08:09 AM

Don´t know if this info has been posted before:
http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/8x00.gif

Ubermann

03-17-2007, 08:11 AM

Think it was posted a month ago or something.

G4h4o8s6T

03-17-2007, 08:15 AM

Hoping the 8800 Ultra will match the 8900GTX specs\price in the chart above :D

perkam

03-17-2007, 08:23 AM

My condolences,

To all those that spent $1200 on newegg in the last month.

So cruel. Only thing i'm happy about is that ATI"s move to keep AGP alive is prompting Nvidia to do the same, as I imagine its helping OEMs clear out their ddr1/939/s478 inventories.

Perkam

K404

03-17-2007, 09:14 AM

if 8800Ultra= overclocked 8800GTX...big deal. We can all do that as it is. Hell...theres already OC`d versions of the 8800GTX out.

I hope for either brilliant binning or price drops across the rest of the 8800 range. I honestly cant see the rumours of extra shaders being true.

mascaras

03-17-2007, 09:24 AM

Don´t know if this info has been posted before:
http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/8x00.gif

yes already posted and someone mentioned that its fake

if 8800Ultra= overclocked 8800GTX...big deal. We can all do that as it is. Hell...theres already OC`d versions of the 8800GTX out.

I hope for either brilliant binning or price drops across the rest of the 8800 range. I honestly cant see the rumours of extra shaders being true.

and with GDDR4 i think

lets wait and see the performence compared with new Ati R600 65nm

regards

xoqolatl

03-17-2007, 09:25 AM

If they plan to release it along with G86 and G84, which are 80nm if I am not missing anything, than maybe 8800Ultra is 8800GTX shrinked to 80nm? but what would be 8900 than?

mascaras

03-17-2007, 09:31 AM

8900 series (G90) will be 65nm but its not now , for now Nvidia will only release 8800 Ultra (80nm??) , GDDR4 and higher clocks

regards

G4h4o8s6T

03-17-2007, 10:30 AM

8900 series (G90) will be 65nm but its not now , for now Nvidia will only release 8800 Ultra (80nm??) , GDDR4 and higher clocks

regardsExactly :clap: Hopefully lower price than R600 as well :)

Hicks

03-17-2007, 10:42 AM

Hmmmm, can't see it being that much faster myself, we'll have to wait and see.

Nvidia should be paying more attention to getting some decent drivers out for the 8800.

onewingedangel

03-17-2007, 10:53 AM

8900 series (G90) will be 65nm but its not now , for now Nvidia will only release 8800 Ultra (80nm??) , GDDR4 and higher clocks

regards

G9x will be the Geforce 9 series.

The 8900 will be a G8x chip, most likely G81 if its just a die shrunk G80 (much like g70 to g71).

If however Nvidia have reconsidered their plans after designing the g81, we may see 8850 G81 parts (die shrink for lower cost, power consumption/heat output and thus smaller coolers and PCBs) and another G8x part, a scaled up G80 design with more shader units, or wider memory interface being released as the 8900.

G3XC

03-23-2007, 07:45 AM

Nvidia’s Response to ATI R600 Almost Ready

The new ForceWare drivers have already disclosed Nvidia’s plans regarding the launch of the new product on G80 chipset that is known as GeForce 8800 Ultra. While the forum members were guessing if it would be a slower card than the GeForce 8800 GTS or an overclocked version of the GeForce 8800 GTX, NGOHQ site reported that according to some Nvidia’s partners GeForce 8800 Ultra would be launched together with the GeForce 8600, GeForce 8500, GeForce 8400 and GeForce 8300. In other words, on April 17, 2007.

GeForce 8800 Ultra will really be Nvidia’s response to ATI R600, however the specifications of the new cards haven’t been revealed yet. Most sources, however, believe that GeForce 8800 Ultra will run at higher clock speed than GeForce 8800 GTX and may feature GDDR-4 instead of GDDR-3 memory onboard with the corresponding frequency increase. However, even today Foxconn Company is already offering an overclocked GeForce 8800 GTX with GDDR-3 memory working at 2100MHz frequency. We dare suppose that they will select fast memory like GDDR-3 for the new GeForce 8800 Ultra as well.

Some Nvidia’s partners are also claimed to have promised to introduce an AGP version of the GeForce 7900 GS and GeForce 7950 GT solutions. In other words, XFX will no longer be the only Nvidia partner to offer graphics cards like that.

Source (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070316211223.html)

gdogg

03-23-2007, 07:51 AM

interested in seeing the numbers from both the r600xtx and 8800 ultra.

Even though that won't change what I will be buying.

CedricFP

03-23-2007, 07:54 AM

So all the 88Ultra could be is an 88GTX oc'ed? I hope it's an OC not capable on the average 88GTX... otherwise there would be little point in buying one.

mascaras

03-23-2007, 08:14 AM

>>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=137543&highlight=8800ultra

regards

shogo_ca

03-23-2007, 08:22 AM

its a factory pre-overclocked 8800GTX so you probably wont be able to push it alot more with conventional cooling... If the r600 has a good OC headroom, nvidia wont have anything to compete with r600 before 8900 lauch.

we want a 8800GX2

Hicks

03-23-2007, 09:04 AM

Fatal Error

03-23-2007, 09:23 AM

Speak for yourself, GX2 is crap, because it's basically SLI. Give me a faster single card any day.

So what?
In a price range of 500$-600$ will do the trick,do you think R600 will outperform a 8800GTX or 8900?

I think AMD already lost the battle once and for all cause when R600 comes out i'm 99% sure that it won't be the fastr chip on the market.

Hicks

03-23-2007, 09:42 AM

I couldn't care less which is faster, i was letting my feelings known towards Dual boards, and selling them as 1. It's SLI, and SLI is crap, the GX2 series that is.

gdogg

03-23-2007, 09:48 AM

So what?
In a price range of 500$-600$ will do the trick,do you think R600 will outperform a 8800GTX or 8900?

I think AMD already lost the battle once and for all cause when R600 comes out i'm 99% sure that it won't be the fastr chip on the market.

and wouldn't it be funny if the 8900 gtx is like 2% faster in dx9 games over the r600xtx, then 50% slower in dx10 games.

Since we don't have the ability to bench dx10 from both sides, and atleast 3 different dx10 games. No one knows who will be crowned the dx10 king, once its possible to king one.

yaddam205

03-23-2007, 09:54 AM

Anyone know when G90 will be here? I hope before the end of the year.

Omastar

03-23-2007, 09:54 AM

Uh, yeah...

How can the 8800Ultra be claimed to thump R600 when no one's seen thorough benchmarks from an X2900XTX or similar?

Also, Fatal Error, don't try TOO hard to hide your nVidia patronage. Er, fanboyism. :rolleyes:

mursaat

03-23-2007, 10:03 AM

My guess is AMD (ATI) is taking so much time because R600 will be 65nm in ever y part sold. So maybe close to 1ghz core stock would change things. That with 1Gb GDDR4.

Starscream

03-23-2007, 10:19 AM

My guess is AMD (ATI) is taking so much time because R600 will be 65nm in ever y part sold. So maybe close to 1ghz core stock would change things. That with 1Gb GDDR4.

im somehow afraiud that the fast move ot 65nm and the high core clocks make bad yields so that the xtx versionw ill cost a crapload of money.
however this could mean that there will b alot fo slower versions wich clock very nice.

the 1Gb GDDR4 scares me as it could mean high prices.

Idaho

03-23-2007, 10:19 AM

Should be interesting to see both cards in dual video card configurations as well to see the numbers. Though I can't imagine much that would need that much video horsepower or that the other components wouldn't be a bottle neck

Fatal Error

03-23-2007, 10:47 AM

justin_c

03-23-2007, 10:55 AM

well, r600 premliminary benchmarks report a 200 mark increase over 8800gtx, and it (r600 and drivers) is not optimized. therefore i doubt that a minor clock and gddr3 increases wont be anywhere near the performance of r600 at launch. gddr4 is another story.

gdogg

03-23-2007, 10:57 AM

I think that the last to release a new high-end card will be the king,so since as it looks Nvidia will be the last i think that ATI will lose.
To be honest i don't really want that cause AMD will be in really bad position if this happen..

Yeah i'm Intel+Nvidia fun so fu***n what?
I never try to hide it so just stop talking bs :rolleyes:
Cheers.

Like my post said, who will be the directx 10 king.

Since we don't have directx 10 games, benchmarks or cards from both of the companies, this isn't even possible to predict.

So yah, I have to agree with the posts about your fanboyish and believe thats all that is motovating your posts.

Me i don't even pretend to know, or even want to make guesses on who will be king. I just want to see who will be. I like reading reviews, learning about new hardware, no matter what company its from.

I had bad experience with nvidia recently and unless there is huge problems with the r600xtx that is what i will be buying, regardless of price, I currently use 7800 gt's in sli.

Anemone

03-23-2007, 11:32 AM

I say let's wait and let the #'s do the talking...

They both know what they are up against. And Nvidia knows they have to have a lot higher clocked G80 if they are going to be in the running, meaning 700 on the core or better and GDDR4 to keep bandwidth from being "as much" of an issue.

And AMD knows what they have to beat, and the "possible" product they may have to test against. One thing though, AMD can't sit it out much longer, because their believability is sinking every week. But I think they'll manage.

Let's see what the testing shows.

DilTech

03-23-2007, 02:24 PM

and wouldn't it be funny if the 8900 gtx is like 2% faster in dx9 games over the r600xtx, then 50% slower in dx10 games.

Since we don't have the ability to bench dx10 from both sides, and atleast 3 different dx10 games. No one knows who will be crowned the dx10 king, once its possible to king one.

Not going to happen... You see, DX10 is essentially DX9 with added performance. There's not many effects at all added to the mix. I can almost promise, whoever is faster in DX9 will be faster in DX10.

Like my post said, who will be the directx 10 king.

Since we don't have directx 10 games, benchmarks or cards from both of the companies, this isn't even possible to predict.

So yah, I have to agree with the posts about your fanboyish and believe thats all that is motovating your posts.

Me i don't even pretend to know, or even want to make guesses on who will be king. I just want to see who will be. I like reading reviews, learning about new hardware, no matter what company its from.

I had bad experience with nvidia recently and unless there is huge problems with the r600xtx that is what i will be buying, regardless of price, I currently use 7800 gt's in sli.

I think we've all had a bad experience with one company or another, and it's ok to let that sway your next buying decision a bit, but spending $500-$600 on a card that is proven not to be the better buy is where you hit the line of fanboyism.

As for DX10 benchmarks, there will be plenty this year. Hellgate london, Crysis, CoH will get it's DX10 patch, FSX. We'll see the winner before the end of the year, but I'm still standing by my statement that whoever wins in DX9 is likely to take DX10 as well.

I say let's wait and let the #'s do the talking...

They both know what they are up against. And Nvidia knows they have to have a lot higher clocked G80 if they are going to be in the running, meaning 700 on the core or better and GDDR4 to keep bandwidth from being "as much" of an issue.

And AMD knows what they have to beat, and the "possible" product they may have to test against. One thing though, AMD can't sit it out much longer, because their believability is sinking every week. But I think they'll manage.

Let's see what the testing shows.

Exactly, we'll let the numbers do the talking, but it's not just about numbers. It's about image quality. Much like comparing the x1800 to the 7800gtx 512, even though the 512 was faster(and much more expensive) it was worse in image quality. Why buy high-end if your picture looks worse?

NVidia really doesn't have much to worry about in the R600, not due to the R600 itself, but because NVidia had pretty much already earned back all their R&D money for the 8 series by february, and they have up until may/june to make R&D for the next series. The R600 could literally be twice the speed and NVidia could sit back and smile, because the 8 series was 100% successful no matter how you slice it.

Both companies have an idea of what they're up against, but neither truly know exactly what they're up against. R600 numbers could change a lot driver wise(which, I'm not holding my breath on, considering this card was originally intended to be released 6 months ago), and 8800 numbers could change immensely by simply enabling the MUL(look up Missing Mul and G80) via drivers(up to 33% performance increase theoretically).

Technically speaking, they're both in the dark here.

virtualrain

03-23-2007, 02:59 PM

As far as performance in DX10 goes... I doubt nVidia's performance will be a surprise. Any and all current benchmarks and games will have been developed on nV hardware. R600 performance in DX10 is impossible to predict... they may get lucky but if the current developers have all optimized their SW for nV... then R600 could stand to look silly come game time.

Ultimately, R600's delay could hurt them in the near-term far more than they know just for this reason.