AMD show off Quad Core Barcelona Wafer

[StyM]

source here (http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/0317/cebit06.htm)

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/0317/cebit06_10.jpg
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http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2007/0317/cebit06_12.jpg

[nn_step]

sounds like a beast

[freeloader]

So what...show us some numbers or crawl back under the fabricating rock until you have something to show us. :mad:

[vitaminc]

wonder that the Griffin architecture for notebooks do...

dont they have Fusion coming late 08 early 09?

[xVeinx]

At this point, it might as well be :p:

[Chewbenator]

Hai look gais I gots some sand and circuits dos reel gud!

Seriously I want to see it with some low wattage electricity flowing through.

[safan80]

What no demo? AMD seems to be all show and no go lately.

[NickS]

Well this thread just went to hell.. :p:

[MaxxxRacer]

looks good, but can it beat Intel?

[Brother Esau]

So what...show us some numbers or crawl back under the fabricating rock until you have something to show us. :mad:

Charming bro! Didn't you're Mother teach you any manners? Looking at you're profile I see that you are my age thats even worse not a very friendly statement.

[lutjens]

We've still yet to see any hard numbers on any of the new products AMD is developing to compete in the marketplace. AMD can prance around all they like, but they should put their money where their mouth is and give some performance numbers for both K8L and R600. Doing so may convince some of us to alter our upgrade plans to include their products.

[Ashraf]

looks good, but can it beat Intel?

Never! :mad:

:D

[freeloader]

Charming bro! Didn't you're Mother teach you any manners? Looking at you're profile I see that you are my age thats even worse not a very friendly statement.


Well I'm not here posting to please you and my mother died in 1974, so she didn't have the chance to teach me any manners. AMD=:banana::banana::banana::banana: lately. They can't keep any deadline if they're life depended on it and they're so damn paranoid that you can't even take a picture of a R600 card at Cebit. What the hell is up with that? Also, about the wafer, big freaking deal. We've seen them before; how about showing some working silicon with some numbers?

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

sounds like a beast

good point.

[amrgb]

good point.

lol

[grimREEFER]

whos gonna start selling the non-server 8 core stuff first, amd or intel?

[nn_step]

whos gonna start selling the non-server 8 core stuff first, amd or intel?

8 core single Proc or multiple Procs w/8 cores?

[Cracker]

That chip is HUGE!!!


:hump:

[MaxxxRacer]

Never! :mad:

:D

FanBoy?

I'm all up for AMD beating Intel in the laptop market. It would put more pressure on Intel to lower prices and/or develop more/better products.

With regard to laptops, one of the big things that AMD has been working on is the battery life of their laptop systems. Currently, for mainstream laptops, AMD has some setups that will use less power than compeeting Intel based systems. Granted their system performance is not up to par with the Intel systems, but for the average user who is concerned with a ballance of battery life and performance, this can be a deciding factor when purchasing a laptop. Though this is not to say that Intel has poor battery life or anything, just pointing out that in some cases AMD has the edge here.

[theteamaqua]

yeah ummm as much as i wanna believe that AMD will win, barcelona is "rumored" to be clock at 2.3 to 2.5Ghz


i just dont know how a 2.3GHz can beat a 3.5 to 4GHz yorksfield with two 6MB cache conroe core


i guess time will tell, but i am really worry about AMD as if they r out of the business this time .. imagine what intel will do as a market performance leader .. yeah no more Q6600 for 266 bux, b/c in Q3 and Q4 intel's dsktop line up ketnsfield are clock @ 2.4 to 2.93GHz (QX6800)

so yeah in Q3, 4 .. AMD will have the upper hand thats why intel drops Q6600 to 266 i guess

but for yorksfield . i dunno, remember how well the Pentium D 900 overclocks? being a 65nm CPU compare to its predecessor Pentium D 800 ... i think thats how well the yorksfield will overclock , maybe beyond 4GHz

well lets wait and see how the Barcelona Opteron performs

[nn_step]

yeah ummm as much as i wanna believe that AMD will win, barcelona is "rumored" to be clock at 2.3 to 2.5Ghz


i just dont know how a 2.3GHz can beat a 3.5 to 4GHz yorksfield with conroe core


i guess time will tell, but i am really worry about AMD as if they r out of the business this time .. imagine what intel will do as a market performance leader .. yeah no more Q6600 for 266 bux

Increase IPC

[fhpchris]

Increase IPC

That is ALOT of IPC to make up, once AMD starts showing samples and not powerpoints some of us might care.

[G.Foyle]

How do we know it's Barcelona wafer, not some random wafer taken from the plant? we have only their word, and their word is kinda light and thin recently.

[Jamesrt2004]

How do we know it's Barcelona wafer, not some random wafer taken from the plant? we have only their word, and their word is kinda light and thin recently.

QFT!

[zerotol]

since when is showing a wafer news ?? Results we want , real-time results when in godsname will they come?

A lot of blablabla , but no REAL information performance wise:slapass:

[madcho]

I think benchmarks will be out soon :D

[Kanten]

I think I speak for most users when I say this:

We want some numbers, not more slideshows.

[G.Foyle]

Maybe we should kill a kitten every time AMD shows a powerpoint slide instead of solid numbers? that would keep them from showing slides, and if it doesn't I don't want their CPUs.

[Shintai]

K10 core is supposed to be 80% faster than K8 core according to amd

I personaly coulnd't care less for superPi, as long it is a good rendering/encoding/processing chip

That was a dualcore K8 vs a quadcore K10 in SpecFP_rate.
Same bench K10 would be 40% faster than Clovertown. (K8 is 20% faster in that bench today).

[perry_78]

Maybe we should kill a kitten every time AMD shows a powerpoint slide instead of solid numbers? that would keep them from showing slides, and if it doesn't I don't want their CPUs.

I think it's considered illegal to eradicate an entire species...

[nn_step]

I think it's considered illegal to eradicate an entire species...

funny that seems to happen dozens of times every day

[madcho]

I notice that AS USUAL you tend to IGNORE key words. :slapass:

That says in TARGET APPLICATIONS. :fact:

Meaning AMD found the BEST numbers they could and published them. :fact:

That is CHERRYPICKING, not an AVERAGE, so STOP quoting it as an ACROSS THE BOARD number. :slap:

in the video of oc/tv AMD said 40% over clovertown is in server apps and very conservative numbers. :slap:

[Ubermann]

Plz dont start that crap again :mad:

[madcho]

yields are poor, all 65nm yields are less 60% for intel and AMD.

And Barcelona/Agena is a big ship/chip. Yields can't be good.

But with 300mm, APM and chartered AMD can now burn wafers, and that's a good thing for very high End :D

[Ubermann]

Where do you guys find bench/numbers from the people with ES samples ?

[madcho]

I don;t think bad yields are the reason behind the lack of any hard performance numbers. The only possibility would be if they are that bad AMD cannot make even a few chips just to show off.

And I don;t think thats the case, AMD would never go for a mid 2007 launch if the chip is not mass production ready.

There is a possibility that AMD executives want to drap their own prices very low, and knowing what they have in store buy A LOT of stock, then LAUNCH flagship CPU and GPU, and DOUBLE and even TRIPLE their investments in less than one year.

You're wrong, ES are running well, but AMD is not intel and need cash. They can't shoot in the K8 market with K10 benchs. ;)

K10 got some demo with vip and all are under NDA. AMD want a big show for the launch of K10. Sometimes if you don't want crash your company you need do some marketing ... :slap:

[Shintai]

in the video of oc/tv AMD said 40% over clovertown is in server apps and very conservative numbers. :slap:

No, let me give you a hint. Zoom in on the video and you see specfp_rate. Now go visit www.spec.org and spec the 2000 fp specrate numbers. Then tell me how much K8 already leads on Core2.

[Shintai]

I think "per core" is underlined for a reason

http://pics.krawall.de/4/cebit07_amd_barcelona_width.jpg

That number is a new PR number. But its kinda easy to get 80% if you just run SSE only code.

Just imagine it, 80% boost. When did that happen last time in history. People need to get back down on earth. Instead of following the PR spinners flute around like headless chickens.

[madcho]

No, let me give you a hunt. Zoom in on the video and you see specfp_rate. Now go visit www.spec.org and spec the 2000 fp specrate numbers. Then tell me how much K8 already leads on Core2.

on the we site i found : ( fp 2006, didn't see the 2000 page :slapass: )

Dell Inc. Dell Precision 390 (Intel X6800, 2.93 GHz) : 17.8
Shuttle SN25P (AMD Athlon 64 FX-60) : 10.1

Even with 6000+ i don't see any lead

[Shintai]

on the we site i found : ( fp 2006, didn't see the 2000 page :slapass: )

Dell Inc. Dell Precision 390 (Intel X6800, 2.93 GHz) : 17.8
Shuttle SN25P (AMD Athlon 64 FX-60) : 10.1

Even with 6000+ i don't see any lead

They don´t use 2006 yet. The list is also very small.

http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/rfp2000.html

ProLiant BL460c (2.66 GHz, Intel Xeon processor X5355) 4 cores, 1 chip, 4 cores/chip 60.7 65.7
ProLiant BL465c (AMD Opteron (TM) 2220) 4 cores, 2 chips, 2 cores/chip 83.7 90.8

There is a reason they did as they did. Only showing a single K8 dualcore vs quadcore. And only used the Clovertown. To compare Intel could get some Sandra SSE benchmark and claim 300% faster than AMD core for core. AMD knew the dual K8 would have beaten or very close to beat the K10 quadcore in that benchmark.

EDIT: Did you even get the right bench? Those numbers look lime FP2006 and not FP_Rate.

[accord99]

on the we site i found : ( fp 2006, didn't see the 2000 page :slapass: )

Dell Inc. Dell Precision 390 (Intel X6800, 2.93 GHz) : 17.8
Shuttle SN25P (AMD Athlon 64 FX-60) : 10.1

Even with 6000+ i don't see any lead

Check the scores for dual-socket systems. And SPECfp_rate doesn't correlate well with desktop applications, otherwise the QuadFX would crush the QX6700 instead of the other way around.

[Shintai]

I don;t think bad yields are the reason behind the lack of any hard performance numbers. The only possibility would be if they are that bad AMD cannot make even a few chips just to show off.

And I don;t think thats the case, AMD would never go for a mid 2007 launch if the chip is not mass production ready.

There is a possibility that AMD executives want to drap their own prices very low, and knowing what they have in store buy A LOT of stock, then LAUNCH flagship CPU and GPU, and DOUBLE and even TRIPLE their investments in less than one year.

http://www.sec.gov/answers/insider.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insider_trading
http://www.learnaboutlaw.com/newsletter/v0006.html

[Shintai]

And what about his close friend or relative?

Read the links I posted.

[arisythila]

K10 core is supposed to be 80% faster than K8 core according to amd

I personaly coulnd't care less for superPi, as long it is a good rendering/encoding/processing chip

No, 270% faster than current K8's

~Mike

[Entity_Razer]

Plz dont start that crap again :mad:


what he said.....:mad:

I don't want every single AMD thread to run in a doomsday thread where people go bickering over market share and stock values and what not.

Seriusly QUIT IT and leave these threads alone !

if you want i'll make a sticky thread for you where you guys can go and talk about AMD vs Intel Marketshare and stock value's and quote analysts till your hearts desire but keep other threads CLEAN
:slapass:

[arisythila]

:ROTF:

LOL... No thats what the AMD guy said... no more math from me!

~Mike

[Shintai]

LOL... No thats what the AMD guy said... no more math from me!

~Mike

I didn´t know AMD had hired Apple marketing people :eleph: :peace:

[XS Janus]

And what about his close friend or relative?

Thats how real fortunes are made.
Picture this a (friendly) company buys stock based on insider info then sells it and makes money. Continues tradeing other stocks for some time, your new founded consulting company comes by and and merges with the (friendly) company cause of your know how in the industry and money is in your control :p:

And thats the long version...
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[mascaras]

Barcelona wafer pictures at CeBIT

It turns out that AMD has been producing Barcelona wafers for a while now. We thought you'd be very interested in the pictures that The Inquirer got for everyone that couldn't catch a plane to CeBIT in Germany.


http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/9691/2001872519596797213_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001872519596797213)

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/10937/2001840273481149512_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001840273481149512)

Source: The Inquirer (http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=38295)

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=27577


regards

[LowRun]

You're wrong, ES are running well, but AMD is not intel and need cash. They can't shoot in the K8 market with K10 benchs. ;)

K10 got some demo with vip and all are under NDA. AMD want a big show for the launch of K10. Sometimes if you don't want crash your company you need do some marketing ... :slap:

Please stop trying to look like someone who knows what's goin' on at AMD because you proved numerous times that you don't have a :banana: :banana: :banana: ing clue.

[freakBYnature]

yeah ummm as much as i wanna believe that AMD will win, barcelona is "rumored" to be clock at 2.3 to 2.5Ghz


i just dont know how a 2.3GHz can beat a 3.5 to 4GHz yorksfield with two 6MB cache conroe core

I really don't care which one will win, AMD OC better with less money spent just in general :woot:

[mascaras]

AMD Quad core is Agena FX

We had a chance to see the first Barcelona based Quad core CPU from AMD. This is the desktop part codenamed Agena FX and it is live and running at Cebit 2007.


We were asked not to take the photos but we actually had one in our hands. The new Quad core will run at socket AM2+ and 1207+ and probably at the older ones as well.


The system is running, sampling and it needs a new chipset to work something better than 690 that was just released. Lets call it 790 till we get more details.


The chip itself looks like any Athlon FX CPU has a big heath spreader and a loads on pins below.


http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=178&Itemid=1


regards

[NapalmV5]

everybody was pulling hairs that amd doesnt have any barcelona @ cebit

and yet they do..

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

sounds like they didn't bother to put it in a machine to run... I think we've all already seen the chip in full form... at least without the heat spreader.

Ryan

[red]

Yeah, like it really matters that it's documented to exist:rolleyes:

[freakBYnature]

Yeah, like it really matters that it's documented to exist:rolleyes:

lol :p:

[erwinz]

AMD barcelona is coming.. :D hehehe

[Shintai]

Yes it is..in 6-9months...so stop pulling old threads up.

[nn_step]

Very hi-res die shot.

http://tinyurl.com/yquhoa

that link doesn't work, this one might be more accurate www.ati.AMD.com/VnwYG9Qo/51s8e.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIVnwYGU9Qo)

[r0lfi]

Looks good.:p