Look what I saw...

[cyberspyder]

...A triple cascade at Cebit (regretfully, the pics aren't mine)

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/304/tripsmall35a5fbeqe0.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/597/tripsmall25a5ec4gp3.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4620/tripsmall15a5dd9gc5.jpg

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8088

Brendan

[n00b 0f l337]

That would be Fuggers triple, its r507a/ then two stages of ethylene.
Isnt Cebit in germany? How'd Charles get it there I wonder.

[[XC] Lead Head]

He shipped it there, and IIRC, thats Hipro5 right there :)

[Messiah Khan]

Yup, Cebit is in Germany. Maybe he drove the Shelby all the way through the US, through Canada, somehow got it across to Russia, then into Europe. :p

[BenchZowner]

He shipped it there, and IIRC, thats Hipro5 right there :)

That's Fugger's cascade.
But the guy in the picture is a guy from Abit ;)

[Pete]

ABIT’s Peter du Perez was busy unbolting what has to be the most extreme cooling solution we’ve ever seen short of liquid nitrogen and all in the name of chasing world records.

This triple cascade cooler was designed and built by an American air conditioning engineer and then lent to ABIT for the world record attempt which will be made over the next few days.

Now this is some serious kit which is essentially three coolers in one. Known as a triple cascade cooler, this uses standard phase change to chill the coolant which then chills more coolant which then chills the CPU block. The trick is to use the right coolant for the temperature range the coolant will have to operate in... which is tricky, however the builder reckons this can drop the CPU blokc to as much as -100⁰C...

As we spoke to Peter he was still unbolting the cascade from its transport pallet, so check back soon to see what happened the first time they powered it up on the ABIT booth.

There ya go fokes, so Abit have it off someone states side

[[XC] gomeler]

Hope it arrived fully charged, would be a shame if it formed a leak on the trip over and they had to scramble to get some r1150. Looks huge though, a shame cascades always look so ugly compared to a SS.

[n00b 0f l337]

They don't have to , but this cascades pretty old. Piping could have been a bit better but its not a machine after looks now is it ;)

[4Qman]

gomeler;2073171']Hope it arrived fully charged, would be a shame if it formed a leak on the trip over and they had to scramble to get some r1150. Looks huge though, a shame cascades always look so ugly compared to a SS.

Not all cascades are ugly Cascade 3 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=117279) :)

[wdrzal]

Yup, Cebit is in Germany. Maybe he drove the Shelby all the way through the US, through Canada, somehow got it across to Russia, then into Europe. :p

Ya he took the secret Alaskan/Siberian tunnel :rolleyes: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[s7e9h3n]

ABIT’s Peter du Perez was busy unbolting what has to be the most extreme cooling solution we’ve ever seen short of liquid nitrogen and all in the name of chasing world records.

This triple cascade cooler was designed and built by an American air conditioning engineer and then lent to ABIT for the world record attempt which will be made over the next few days.

Now this is some serious kit which is essentially three coolers in one. Known as a triple cascade cooler, this uses standard phase change to chill the coolant which then chills more coolant which then chills the CPU block. The trick is to use the right coolant for the temperature range the coolant will have to operate in... which is tricky, however the builder reckons this can drop the CPU blokc to as much as -100⁰C...

As we spoke to Peter he was still unbolting the cascade from its transport pallet, so check back soon to see what happened the first time they powered it up on the ABIT booth.

Sheesh......the author of that article sounds like a noob :rolleyes: Hehehe...maybe next year, I'll loan my unit to someone for Cebit :p: I'm sure a dual-headed-3 stage autocascade would be quite an attraction over there....

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's Fugger's Danfoss sc12mlx triple cascade....It definately doesn't look as large as I remember it....:confused:

[Pete]

Only LD, Bazx are the only 2 builder that i have seen sexy, sweet looking cascades from. SS unit Gray Mole, LD without fail and maybe 1 or two others, rest are more getto than the getto

[Moc]

Tomorrow I go to the Cebit... defiantly have to make some photos from the fugger unit. Im so happy to live just 70km away from the Cebit...

If you want to see a really nice 2 stager made by cold_ice, check the Cellshock booth. I just repaired this cascade yesterday! http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1173989942_145_FT18335_moc_044_.jpg

[Brettbeck]

Yeah that's Fugger's cascade, recognised it straight away :p:. It must have been used so many times, the thread for it is quite a few years old now but I see it being used all over the place. I wonder how much it cost to ship on a pallet like that :rolleyes: .

By the way that article is written, it sounds like they don't really have a clue what it is or how to use it properly etc.

[Messiah Khan]

Ya he took the secret Alaskan/Siberian tunnel :rolleyes: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hehe, or maybe the Bering Strait bridge has been finished waaaay early.:p:

[Pete]

Maybe be the used the unit as the traveld there, frezzeing the water between us so they could drive or skate across it with some rocket pack on there backs!!!

[n00b 0f l337]

I hope Charles checks this, I'd like to know what his running pressures are on his 3rd stage.

[s1rrah]

geez oh man! that thing looks like a small vehicle of some kind.

i kept trying to find the axles and wheels ...

:)

[LukeXE]

Eh...symphy`s 3 stager should be there too ;(

[n00b 0f l337]

That would be prettttty sweet Luke, maybe next year?

[LukeXE]

For sure in next year that unit will be at cebit, maybe I will come with my "dream" autocascade :) Cheers !

[s7e9h3n]

... maybe I will come with my "dream" autocascade :) Cheers !

You mean Mine? LOL....j/k :toast:

[LukeXE]

LOL ! :D With something similar to yours ;] I`m aiming for sub -125*C loaded temps :toast:

[Jort]

I heared that the cascade won't be running, not enough transformers there to power the 110V cascade ... :(

Hope they'll fix that pritty fast

[s7e9h3n]

LOL ! :D With something similar to yours ;] I`m aiming for sub -125*C loaded temps :toast:

That's gonna require a SERIOUSLY strong compressor...maybe 2hp?

[n00b 0f l337]

S7 if you saw symphys, and I'm sure you have, he's got 2x 3/4 hp rotaries, and something bigger then that. i don't think 2hp a huge limit to him ;)

[LukeXE]

Yes, something like that, I can buy 17000btu unit, it`s more than 1,5HP I think and maybe it will be enough. The most important is design, but I`m still thinking about it.

[s7e9h3n]

Yes, something like that, I can buy 17000btu unit, it`s more than 1,5HP I think and maybe it will be enough. The most important is design, but I`m still thinking about it.

What kinda load are we talking about? My 1hp auto currently isn't even tuned to reach -125C. If you're wanting to hold a LOAD @ -125C you'd need quite the compressor with a helluva lot of tuning :D I have faith in you though :toast:

[Blaster]

I heared that the cascade won't be running, not enough transformers there to power the 110V cascade ... :(

Hope they'll fix that pritty fast

so many nice cascade here in europe... why the need to bring one from US beats me :confused:

:)

[blind_ripper]

blaster
fugger = intel :D , his 3stage is world known .
dont think we see rickys 3stage there :( , hipro will be playing with cascade ;)

[LukeXE]

What kinda load are we talking about? My 1hp auto currently isn't even tuned to reach -125C. If you're wanting to hold a LOAD @ -125C you'd need quite the compressor with a helluva lot of tuning :D I have faith in you though :toast:

~100W or less.

LOL, I just wake up and read that -125*C loaded, heh, maybe I was too big optimist last nigh, haha :cool: But it will be nice to see ~ -110*C@200W.

[Xtasy]

@ jort

yes the fugger cascade is defect. but extrem overclockers stick together so hipro got a cascade from us

[Jort]

so many nice cascade here in europe... why the need to bring one from US beats me :confused:

:)

me neather ;)

[s7e9h3n]

so many nice cascade here in europe... why the need to bring one from US beats me :confused:

:)

Because not very many European autocascades can do this on a C2D :D

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1032/117xn6.jpg

More details when I get back from China in a couple of weeks ;)

[Moc]

[QUOTE=Moc;36231]
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_081_.jpg
HLUXX Cascade!
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_095.jpg
Piotres phase change... with -70°C, Team Germany clocked a C2E X6800 to 5ghz picstable..
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_096_.jpg
Hipro5 with wirehead cascade... -85°C loaded....
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_109_.jpg
FUGGER Cascade...
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_134_.jpg
Hipro5 with a nice looking but totally stupid moderator... she was talking such a BS .
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_191_zensiert_.jpg
Team Germany starts to bench with ln2...
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_192_.jpg
Xtasy http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_228_.jpg
LN2!
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_232_.jpg
Team Germany talks after LN2 benching with hipro5.
http://www.extremecooling.net/index/e107_files/public/1174164692_145_FT0_cebit_236.jpg
Fastest system on the CeBIT.

[Blaster]

Because not very many European autocascades can do this on a C2D :D



are you sure? :rolleyes:



PS: bring me a nice gift from china :banana:

[Brettbeck]

Nice pics! Do you know if they managed to get a transformer for FUGGER's cascade? I wonder why hipro didn't use LN2 on everything like he sometimes does...

[4Qman]

Great Pics.

Smoking is Bad for your heath guys :slapass:

[Pete]

More chance to be hit my a moving item/car, bus etc or be mureded by a teroist than smoking killing you.

Mind he looks dam young.

Probs doesn't smoke properly anyway

[LukeXE]

More chance to be hit my a moving item/car, bus etc or be mureded by a teroist than smoking killing you.

Mind he looks dam young.

Probs doesn't smoke properly anyway

But imagine how lungs are looking and in what condition they are after few years of smoking...

end off-topic

[thunderstruck!]

More chance to be hit my a moving item/car, bus etc or be mureded by a teroist than smoking killing you.

Mind he looks dam young.

Probs doesn't smoke properly anyway
Think again.

Number of deaths from smoking tobacco in the US according to the CDC in 2005: 445,000.

Number of vehicular deaths in the US in 2005: 43,443

:slapass:

[s7e9h3n]

are you sure? :rolleyes:



PS: bring me a nice gift from china :banana:

I said not that many....;)....BTW, I tested last night @ 1.76+ Vcore and evap temps never fell below -107C. Then I think the HX's started freezing over from not enough load and I had to cut the night short..

Jut arrived in China and posting from my phone...I'll try to find a nice gurl to ship to you :D

[Pete]

Swing one my way too. Mark it as a gift on the customs

[Xtasy]

hehe im on the pics ^^ well hipro is benching with us :) its really funny :)

[wdrzal]

Because not very many European autocascades can do this on a C2D :D

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1032/117xn6.jpg

More details when I get back from China in a couple of weeks ;)

Stephen I wish you would not mis lead people and let them know you have a $10,000.00 professionally built polycold not DIY unit, I think that makes a difference ,you never seem to mention that

[s7e9h3n]

Stephen I wish you would not mis lead people and let them know you have a $10,000.00 professionally built polycold not DIY unit, I think that makes a difference ,you never seem to mention that

And I wish you would give it a rest....I mention "autocascade", not "a do-it yourself autocascade kit bought @ k-mart"....if somebody wanted to know, I'd give them the facts...PERIOD....

[wdrzal]

And I wish you would give it a rest....I mention "autocascade", not "a do-it yourself autocascade kit bought @ k-mart"....if somebody wanted to know, I'd give them the facts...PERIOD....

Thats my point diy guys think they are going to achieve the same numbers that a unit that was professionally designed on the cutting edge at the time its was patented and the charge was also patented. about 20 years ago now.

if who want to compare apples to oranges you need to mention the difference, not "I would come clean if someone would have ask". Stephen I have no quarrel with you but misleading young builders can be very dangerous as they are not designing engineers who can perceive all the dangers of the high pressures a polycold works under.

[s7e9h3n]

Thats my point diy guys think they are going to achieve the same numbers that a unit that was professionally designed on the cutting edge at the time its was patented and the charge was also patented. about 20 years ago now.

if who want to compare apples to oranges you need to mention the difference, not "I would come clean if someone would have ask". Stephen I have no quarrel with you but misleading young builders can be very dangerous as they are not designing engineers who can perceive all the dangers of the high pressures a polycold works under.

Walt...my unit is no longer a polycold "factory" unit as it's been modified for use with computers...in addition, the particular charge in my unit isn't patented as it's public info as cryo-tek had explained it...
Not once has ANYBODY attempted to build an autocascade without doing any research whatsoever and anybody that does think they can do it will be blown up regardless if they know that my unit was originally professionally built or not. BTW, the polycold atm operates under pressures which are MUCH less than today's standard cascades and is WELL within what's considered "standard operating" numbers.....

[n00b 0f l337]

Guys relax, this thread isnt about your autocascade, and it isn't about how its not something to build or not to build or whatever.
Its not about half the spew.
Back on topic, it was a post about Cebit cascades. Thats it.

[serialk11r]

Cool, you're in China! Enjoy your stay there, if you don't know what you're doing you won't enjoy it however... unless you stay in a fancy hotel the whole time :P:

[s7e9h3n]

Cool, you're in China! Enjoy your stay there, if you don't know what you're doing you won't enjoy it however... unless you stay in a fancy hotel the whole time :P:

Thx :toast: I somewhat know what to do, and if I don't I'm sure VictorWang will show me when he gets back from Cebit...Still, as usual, I can't wait to get back home to the Bay Area....;)....and yes, this hotel is quite fancy, but there aren't enough hot women staying here...lol...

[johann]

I have to agree whenever extreme cold phase units are involved Stephen always has to mention his autocascade.

If I read correctly Blaster said CASCADE not AUTOCASCADE but yet Stephens Autocascade has to feature.

Yet you fail to mention it takes some stupid amount of time to pull down to that temp and its not very impressive that the hx's "freeze" and the unit stops working.

[M.Beier]

Eh...symphy`s 3 stager should be there too ;(

Singlestage with 3 evaps, atleast thats what symphy told me when I spoke with him ;)

[LukeXE]

Yes, he has SS with 3 evaps, but at CeBIT should be his 3 stage cascade, which is under construction in my workspace.

[M.Beier]

Wow, didnt knew your unit was that expensive stephen, thought it was a 2000$ unit..


Yes, he has SS with 3 evaps, but at CeBIT should be his 3 stage cascade, which is under construction in my workspace.
Ohh, I didnt see it, saw some stuff at the Enermax stand at sunday, a couple of hours before takeoff to Hamburg Hbf

[s7e9h3n]

I have to agree whenever extreme cold phase units are involved Stephen always has to mention his autocascade.

If I read correctly Blaster said CASCADE not AUTOCASCADE but yet Stephens Autocascade has to feature.

Yet you fail to mention it takes some stupid amount of time to pull down to that temp and its not very impressive that the hx's "freeze" and the unit stops working.

Hey a$$hat, nobody asked you...

@Mbeier: It wasn't...I paid less than $1000 US for it....

[martinjon666]

Wow..... Feel the brotherly love in here!


SO BACK ON TOPIC

I am way jeolous of everyone at cebit, that would be an awesome show keep the pics comin :D

[johann]

Hey a$$hat, nobody asked you...

@Mbeier: It wasn't...I paid less than $1000 US for it....

lol s7e9h3n I had some insult here but I decided to edit it. I would rather avoid idiots like you.

[Nosfer@tu]

Relax

[[XC] gomeler]

Jeez this section is looking like it's traveling down the road of self-triggered destruction in a similar manner to the way the XSDC crowd had some trouble. Cut the crap guys and take it to PMs, the rest of the forum doesn't need to see your personal problems.
Back on topic, I'm wondering if we will see a rise in the use of 2 and 3 stage cascades and large autocascades rather than DI and LN2 in both publicity and world record attemps. The quality of the cascades that are coming out of the group of builders is getting to be pretty damn good if I must say in my uneducated opinion, hopefully we will see a rise in demand to help support our hobbies and desires to make xtreme projects.

edit: that picture makes me want to grab a pitcher of iced tea and just chill in the pool, I guess you can only look that relaxed when you are young and don't realize the world sucks :p:

[Blaster]

gomeler;2083021']Jeez this section is looking like it's traveling down the road of self-triggered destruction in a similar manner to the way the XSDC crowd had some trouble. Cut the crap guys and take it to PMs, the rest of the forum doesn't need to see your personal problems.
Back on topic, I'm wondering if we will see a rise in the use of 2 and 3 stage cascades and large autocascades rather than DI and LN2 in both publicity and world record attemps. The quality of the cascades that are coming out of the group of builders is getting to be pretty damn good if I must say in my uneducated opinion, hopefully we will see a rise in demand to help support our hobbies and desires to make xtreme projects.


Johann and s7e9h3n are both morons and gay ahahaha :banana: :banana:

Yes, if the cpus that will come are as hot as the qx6700 cascades will perform better than LN2 :eek:

[s7e9h3n]

lol s7e9h3n I had some insult here but I decided to edit it. I would rather avoid idiots like you.
lol, and I had an insult about your avatar, but decided instead to just make you the inaugural member of my ignore list....with walt as the second member....
According to walt, nobody will ever be able to produce an autocascade of the caliber of the polycold. It's this type of closed-minded thought process which xtremesystems was never intended to have.....

[wdrzal]

Yes they will , Stephen you mislead the users by not telling them your polycold was a commercially designed unit patented and the as the gas mixture was patented. and had a new price tag of around 10,000 dollars 20 years ago., then guys like cryotek show up with these -140 numbers but we only seen a thermometer. plus a pic of a pile of junk when repeatedly asked by my self and Pythagoras.

now guys like Luke are using unsound building practices. Luke I can't stop what you are doing but encourage you to learn the basics first. I don't want you or your family hurt. To try to duplicate a unit professionally engineered and built, Stephen you alway bring that up ,but never mention its origins.

Besides your polycold who is using professional patented cooling with a patented gas charge, they have both expired about 5 years ago, that why he got the unit so cheap no one would pay the very expensive gas mixture when it was under patent.unless it was used where cold temps must be maintained and in the long run it was cheaper than LN2.

whether purchased from another builder or built yourself all who have units that where designed in a physics deportment raise your hands.

[wdrzal]

Oh and this one the only pics crotek submitted of his work, the -141c he claims was from Stephens polycold but he got his unit back and can't reproduce it.

sure no professional work I was involved width.


I hope I stay on your list at least till you are honest with the guys.

[[XC] gomeler]

Everyone should use Firefox 2.0 and utilize the built-in spellchecker.

[Pete]

Im now really confused by this whole topic. Ether it's due to BST time and lack of sleep or the 3 bottle of wine but is everyone having some OTT melodrmatic benny at each other?

If so smash, all your heads together. Your brothers, friends you use each others help, idea and parts/creation to make other and your selfs amzing feats of enginering and work...why the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: fest....i see non of you with handbags here

[wdrzal]

I Think whats destroying the cooling section is now all (correct that) most only care about numbers whether they have to lie, scam or sell less than what would be considered a professionally built unit. junk in real world Terms

This is a DIY site where young adults come to learn, its seems to now be a place to mislead ,scam and only follow the biggest lier.or the lowest number of the month!!!!!!! not asking how it was produced? laws of physics haven't change "much" but there are advances, and your chances of stumbling on one not already know are very slim unless you have a very good understanding of the basics.Most think forums are as far as they need to go for all their information needed. most is what if's thought up by guys who never leave their pc/s, and everthing they know is piece milled togeather form forum to forum.

You not going to make hardly any advances unless you take a more professional approach.

Another problem here is the membership shows up and does no reasearch of the past only beleives and follows the guy who claims the lowest numbers, even if thay are not telling you how danderious pressure they where using or they don't know enough what to consider dangerious.There are a lot of you guys with a lot of potential if you can remain alive or uninjured untill you make it to a trade or engineering school.

Personally I could not believe some the the stuff put on public display at these major shows. No pride at all in the quality of their workmanship.

[sacha35]

Personally I could not believe some the the stuff put on public display at these major shows. No pride at all in the quality of their workmanship.

Agree or safety concerns.

[serialk11r]

gomeler;2090803']Everyone should use Firefox 2.0 and utilize the built-in spellchecker.
;) Its great stuff.

[MeltedDuron]

since when did a thread about fuggers cascade turn into an X.I.P :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:-fest? can we talk about cebit cascades again? I want the red one! I think I saw one of littledevil's in the pics too.

[wdrzal]

First I don't think I ever saw Fugger's cascade and if I did I didn't know who's it was . I don't have time to stroll thru the whole forum. little devil is one of the builders who really pays attention to detail, All though his units were nice 2 years ago he still keeps finding ways to make them better,ether functionally or cosmetically.

If you guys who just throw stuff together and ship it don't be surprised someday someone will expand with professional products in a decent price range and instantly 80% of builders are going to be looking at the help wanted adds. I don't know what happened to ocz but if they entered todays market or another company with there service record @ even at 1 or 2 hundred dollars more than their first projection (if that projection came from them)they will sweep a big part of the market.

This race for the lowest numbers ,no matter what it takes IS going to get someone seriously hurt or killed.

I know my warning have sunk in to some but others will never listen.