View Full Version : Gecube launches "fastest" AGP, DX10 board to come
Ubermann
03-16-2007, 11:28 AM
INQ is more wrong then ever this time i think :D
Notice DX10 board:
This board is based on a fully-fledged R580+ GPU, marrketed as the Radeon X1950XT. However, the GPU clock has been changed from default 625MHz to 648MHz - the default clock of the X1950XTX. ATI Overdrive is supported, and this option in the Catalyst driver will increase clock all the way to 675MHz. Memory is not 512MB GDDR4, which is what the X1950XTX has - but rather 256MB of GDDR3 memory. Product manager Jeff Fu saud the firm "will not abandon AGP users".
Take me to the sinking ship Here (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38288)
Hmm maybe i did read wrong ?
*edit* No i didnt, INQ changed topic after post =)
wickedld9
03-16-2007, 12:54 PM
Maybe I'm missing something...why are they "more wrong than ever?" This is the fastest AGP card on the market, passing up the X1950 Pro and they will be offering DX10 cards in the future. None of the Nvidia 8xxx series AGP cards have been announced.
We asked about the continuing contraction of the AGP market, but were told that the demand for AGP is still very strong. In fact, AGP accounts for the lion's share of some markets.
So for those users that want a AGP perfromance part this company will offer DirectX 10 boards based on RV610 and RV630. In fact, there will even be an overclocked version of the RV630XT, which could even end up cooled by a combined heat-pipe peltier cooler.
Kasparz
03-16-2007, 12:58 PM
Waiting for R600 on VESA because i cant run Oblivion on my i386 doh.
Why on earth would you buy a AGP High-End card on a obsolete platform,I mean a mainstream card is nice like X1950PRO/XT but a X1950XTX?
Dainas
03-16-2007, 01:09 PM
Why on earth would you buy a AGP High-End card on a obsolete platform,I mean a mainstream card is nice like X1950PRO/XT but a X1950XTX?
Not many people play games in low res cpu performance mode or give a damn it the FPS are 80 rather than 120. And remember a game like Oblivion can easily cap an 8800GTX at 45fps.
Yes but if you want High resolution gaming with 4XAA/CSAA 16xAF HDR and all the in-game options @ max in the newer games in most cases you wouldn't stick on AGP.
xlink
03-16-2007, 02:40 PM
better to buy a new board + 8800GTS than this...
VulgarHandle
03-16-2007, 02:42 PM
Why go PCIe if AGP is good enough?
http://www.hwupgrade.com/articles/video/31/the-sapphire-and-his-radeon-x1950pro-revisiting-agp-part-1_index.html
Dainas
03-16-2007, 05:44 PM
Yes but if you want High resolution gaming with 4XAA/CSAA 16xAF HDR and all the in-game options @ max in the newer games in most cases you wouldn't stick on AGP.
Actually its super high res gaming where AGP and PCIe would equalize(as it did with PCI and AGP 2x way back when). Its that you want the the most upgradeable motherboard and fastest card to get the job done and all are PCIe now.
Omastar
03-16-2007, 08:53 PM
Why go PCIe if AGP is good enough?
http://www.hwupgrade.com/articles/video/31/the-sapphire-and-his-radeon-x1950pro-revisiting-agp-part-1_index.html
That is such a 'bandage for a dying technology' viewpoint. Hey, remember when ISA died as the mains for graphics cards, and how PCI (to a lesser extent) and AGP (in its early 1.0x and 2.0x iterations) supplanted it? Well inevitably the same will happen with AGP. Let's face it: you can't stick with one solution FOREVER. PCI-E 2.0 will improve throughput twofold over PCI-E, and just think the hurt that'll put on AGP.
WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON FUNDING THE TECHNOLOGIES OF YESTERYEAR? Ugh. This reminds me of people who insisted on dropping $300 on 7800GS AGP instead of selling their old AGP board, and just buying a new PCI-E board, whereupon you could procure a cheaper, faster card.
theelectic
03-16-2007, 09:08 PM
Where I can see this having a market beyond mainstream is for anyone who still has a decent 939 AGP setup (like an OC'd dual core Operton and 2GB of RAM) with a 6000 or x800 class GPU, who wants to squeeze another year out of their system. There are no upgrade options left, moving to AM2 or C2D would require all new RAM, motherboard, CPU, videocard. That alone doubles (or triples) the cost of the $300 AGP card.
Dainas
03-16-2007, 09:29 PM
WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON FUNDING THE TECHNOLOGIES OF YESTERYEAR? Ugh.
Why do you care so much? its not like it effects you in anyway.
I've had a PCIe motherboard for almost 2 years but I've never felt contempt for people who would drop $300 on a new videocard rather than $500+ it would cost for a new mobo/CPU/ram/videocard for a new system. Its not like anyone who would buy a 7800GS AGP would stick it on a socket 754 Sempron or socket a Athlon 2800xp.
DFI pit bull
03-17-2007, 12:47 AM
They should just make AGP cards cheaper, that would make it feasable to stick with your old platform. Just can't understand why NVIDIA and ATI are charging big bucks for AGP.
Ubermann
03-17-2007, 01:30 AM
They should just make AGP cards cheaper, that would make it feasable to stick with your old platform. Just can't understand why NVIDIA and ATI are charging big bucks for AGP.
It cost more to make AGP and its a difference building 100.000's or just 1000 pieces.
Kanten
03-17-2007, 02:59 AM
If someone has the funds for a Dx10 setup, why the heck would they stop with just an AGP card?
Omastar
03-17-2007, 03:17 AM
Why do you care so much? its not like it effects you in anyway.
I've had a PCIe motherboard for almost 2 years but I've never felt contempt for people who would drop $300 on a new videocard rather than $500+ it would cost for a new mobo/CPU/ram/videocard for a new system. Its not like anyone who would buy a 7800GS AGP would stick it on a socket 754 Sempron or socket a Athlon 2800xp.
I care because it's a ridiculous notion to keep dumping more and more money into a platform on its last legs just to keep your crappy old AGP motherboard. And I knew plenty of people who raved about the 7800GS AGP and dropped them in their crappy Pentium 4 setups, just to squeeze another few months' life out of it. It just seems ill-advised to invest $300 or possibly more what with the newer, MORE EXPENSIVE (that sure as hell is counter-intuitive) AGP cards rolling out. I mean, why not just save your hard earned money and invest that gross amount you'd pay for an AGP card to keep your AGP delusions of grandeur on life support, and put it toward a new mobo+video card. It's not like a decent PCI-E mobo is expensive. Hell, an MSI P6N-SLI FI goes for like $111, and an Asus P5N-E SLI goes for a tad more. Barring that, older PCI-E mobos (for A64s, for example) are around the same price (DFI Ultra-D, SLI-DR) and are fantastic motherboards. Factor in the price of say, a 7950GT and you're up to what, $350? Which ironically is THE SAME PRICE AS A 'CUTTING EDGE' AGP CARD. Or, if you're an AMD fan, factor in an X1950Pro instead and you come out around $270 or so (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102061) for the lowest priced X1950Pro.
So I hope people are seeing my point here, that it's decidedly shortsighted to invest a mint into new AGP cards.
Dainas
03-17-2007, 04:50 PM
So I hope people are seeing my point here, that it's decidedly shortsighted to invest a mint into new AGP cards.
Yeah well I've seen atleast 5 instances of people buying 8800GTX for their crap pentium D setup and then refused to spend $180 to replace it with an OC'd Core 2. So its hard to care about AGP mishaps, specially when 80% of its on well overclocked Athlon 64 setup.
deathman20
03-17-2007, 08:52 PM
Reason why AGP is dead? Because it can't feed ample power to the video card without requiring more power connectors thats why.
Pinnacle
03-17-2007, 09:30 PM
Christ, ditch AGP already!!
FghtinIrshNvrDi
03-18-2007, 08:20 AM
lots of opinions in here. I'll just reserve mine. I'm feeling like a moderate today. :p
Ryan
joshd
03-18-2007, 08:39 AM
lots of opinions in here. I'll just reserve mine. I'm feeling like a moderate today. :p
Ryan
nice to see you ryan. :D
Reason why AGP is dead? Because it can't feed ample power to the video card without requiring more power connectors thats why.
PCI-E can't do that either....
I don't think AGP cards should be still produced to be honest. I suppose they are trying to provide market to people still on AGP (there are LOADS of people who still are), but this is a top end card, designed for PC enthusiasts. The market of enthusiasts who are still on AGP must surely be very very limited?
philter
03-18-2007, 02:54 PM
Why ditch AGP when there is still a market for the tech.
My GF, her son and my daughter are all still using AGP systems and its good to see there are new cards out there for them, I'm struggling keeping the one PC up to date never mind another 3!!!
Pinnacle
03-18-2007, 06:27 PM
Why ditch AGP when there is still a market for the tech.
My GF, her son and my daughter are all still using AGP systems and its good to see there are new cards out there for them, I'm struggling keeping the one PC up to date never mind another 3!!!
but this is a top end card, designed for PC enthusiasts
thats why
However whats the point with these kick ass cards when the CPU's can barely keep them busy? After a point a 2.4 Pentium system wont do better with a better card.
VulgarHandle
03-18-2007, 07:47 PM
However whats the point with these kick ass cards when the CPU's can barely keep them busy? After a point a 2.4 Pentium system wont do better with a better card.
care to share at what point that is?
Older motherboards usually means older processors.
And with older processors means the entire system is bottlenecked by it. Thats the point I was making.
FghtinIrshNvrDi
03-18-2007, 08:07 PM
nice to see you ryan. :D
Right back atcha pal! :cool: *I prowl the internet*
Ryan
VulgarHandle
03-18-2007, 08:14 PM
Older motherboards usually means older processors.
And with older processors means the entire system is bottlenecked by it. Thats the point I was making.
But there are C2D mobo's with AGP and s939 mobo's with AGP, not to sure about AM2 though.
My point is, why are we being lead down the PCIe path? PCIe2.0 is just around the corner, and as we all know, PCIe offers nothing over AGP, what makes you thingk PCIe2.0 will? Or 3.0 for that matter? We don't.
Seems to me the problem is latency due to having to comminucate through a chipset, which it looks like AMD plans to end with Torrenza.
dinos22
03-18-2007, 08:39 PM
T
WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON FUNDING THE TECHNOLOGIES OF YESTERYEAR? .
i'll have a go at this one
because we get shoved all this new hardware which doesn't really do a heck of a lot for performance anyways and most people are using stupidly high end machines for trivial tasks such as debating online who's got the biggest epenis
i like latest and greatest but FFS i think it's a total overkill to go all out on a normal 24/7 system.......benching WELL that is a different story heh
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