More K10 info popping out

[LOE]

http://forum.effizienzgurus.de/f36/sammelthread-amd-k10-altair-antares-arcturus-t258-7.html
http://theinq.com/default.aspx?article=38213


CPUs with the code names 'Barcelona', 'Agena FX', 'Agena' and 'Kuma', have all appeared within a supposed AMD leaked specification road-map.

Barcelona is specified with the following: socket AM2+, quad core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

Whilst Agena FX appears with a socket 1207+, quad core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

Agena comes in socket AM2+ form, quad core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

The lower specified Kuma comes in the socket AM2+ package, dual core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.



Model Core Speed TDP
Opteron 1270SE Barcelona 2.5GHz 120W
Opteron 1268SE Barcelona 2.3GHz 120W
Opteron 1266 Barcelona 2.1GHz 95W

Athlon 64 FX 2500 Agena FX 2.5GHz 120W

Athlon 64 X4 2500 Agena 2.5GHz 120W
Athlon 64 X4 2300 Agena 2.3GHz 120W
Athlon 64 X4 2100 Agena 2.1GHz 95W
Athlon 64 X4 1900 Agena 1.9GHz 95W

Athlon 64 X2 2900 Kuma 2.9GHz 89W
Athlon 64 X2 2700 Kuma 2.7GHz 89W
Athlon 64 X2 2500 Kuma 2.5GHz 89W
Athlon 64 X2 2300 Kuma 2.3GHz 65W
Athlon 64 X2 2100 Kuma 2.1GHz 65W
Athlon 64 X2 1900 Kuma 1.9GHz 65W

[zerotol]

is AMD going to drop ratings and use realspeed again ?

[Hicks]

is AMD going to drop ratings and use realspeed again ?

Would be nice wouldn't it. Theres no need for ratings now.

[Starscream]

is AMD going to drop ratings and use realspeed again ?

i think its more cause current rating nrs were getting to high. if they would just continue from were the X2s are right now the names will become to stupid.

And seeing their ratings were mostly used to compaire them to the P4s it became kind of useless since the P4 is dead and Intels new naming scheme has changed alot.

the new naming scheme looks simpler. rating for the speed in mhz and the x2 or x4 to describe how many cores.

i do wonder what they will do to show diffrences in cache.

[Shintai]

I sure hope the name is wrong. Athlon 64 X2 2900? Dumb joe would just get a X2 3600 then.

[mAJORD]

Good pt Shintai

Interesting they reckon Barcelona on Socket AM2+.. That makes little sense to me, where are the Socket F chips.. I thought these were the ones being pushed first?

[Motiv]

w0mbat posted these charts originally. Not sure how legitimate they may be going off the ever so dodgy fake k10 cpuz he's posted before.

[LOE]

thats a pretty solid product lineup
it would be great if amd can offer all that chips upon launch

thats more chips than the core 2 family thats been arround for about 1 year (assuming a late summer K10 launch)

[Frank M]

i do wonder what they will do to show diffrences in cache.
Sempron? ;) or Rana or whatever it will be called
I sure hope the name is wrong. Athlon 64 X2 2900? Dumb joe would just get a X2 3600 then.
Hmm.. good question. Maybe they will be Athlon 64 X2 Kuma 2x00? I don't know.
Alas, I don't even care. If someone's so stupid...

Interesting they reckon Barcelona on Socket AM2+.. That makes little sense to me, where are the Socket F chips.. I thought these were the ones being pushed first?
Look at the source. The inq still posts fud without Fuad :fact: :D
Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

Why are these all odd hundreds? Look at it, no 2000, 2200, 2400, ...
Also, what's the fsb and the multi?

[Hicks]

So Barcelona is the top dog chip?

Hmmmm hope they perform well, might have to pick one up, in the summer, hopefully, see how they do against a Q6600.

[mAJORD]

AMD have been claiming odd clock speeds for K10 for a while, so I can belive that. Half multi's I'd say as being an AM2 compat socket I can't imagine a HTT speed different to current.

[californian7856]

me want barcelona for desktop...

nvm .. looks like Agena is quad core .. i thought barcelona was the only quad core heh

wonder how these overclock... man core 2 had a lot of overclocking headroom, if ur willing to add the voltage

[Frank M]

:rolleyes:

Barcelona = uArch, Agena = product family name. Agena = Barcelona-based chips.

[3NZ0]

I sure hope the name is wrong. Athlon 64 X2 2900? Dumb joe would just get a X2 3600 then.

Then Dumb Joe is helping AMD clear out their stocks on older and slower chips :D ;)

[perkam]

hmmm...E21xx conroe or X2 X1900 ... decisions decisions :)

Anyone know if these will work ONLY on AM2+ mobos ? and are there any out atm?

Perkam

[Metroid]

As long as it gives a front to Intel. I want competition over competition, that speeds up the technology.

Looking forward to see it :)

[VulgarHandle]

see, here's what I thought, moreso, could've sworn they names represented

Barcelona - s1207/+ quad-core Opterons
Budapest - sAM2/+ quad-core Opterons
Agena FX - s1207/+ quad-core Athlons
Agena - sAM2/+ quad-core Athlons
Kuma - sAM2/+ dual-core Athlons
Rana - sAM2/+ dual-core Athlons with no L3

now, has something possibly changed, or the Inq just get some bad info?

[LuckyNV]

As long as it gives a front to Intel. I want competition over competition, that speeds up the technology.

Looking forward to see it :)

lowers prices too, 2007 is an exciting year for CPUs I think :D

[MAS]

hm...
Athlon 64 X4 1900 - imo performance (and price as well) equivalent of Q6600 (both are junior quadcore)
then the performance difference at equal clockspeed is 2400/1900 = 1.26
interesting...

[xB0n3s]

Athlon 64 X4 2500 Agena 2.5GHz 120W that's still a little much...

[LOE]

MAS - hope you are right

but hoping for the lowest K10 to be as fast as the core2 midrange doesn;t make sense

even if it is that fast it will come at a price, and if it is the chepest of all K10, I don;t wanna think about high end pricing

Athlon 64 X4 2500 Agena 2.5GHz 120W that's still a little much...

High end CPUs have had ~120W TDP for quite some time. Q6700 also has 120W TDP, so will future, higher clocked 45nm chips

Also having 120W TDP doesn't mean the chip is 120W, it means the chip fits in that thermal envelope, so don't worry

[MAS]

AMD's true 120W TDP is equal to Intel's 100W (approx.)
besides intel systems have memcontroller on mobo wit its own TDP

[MAS]

LOE, the price of top 1207+ Agena 2900 cpu will not be more than 1000 USD

[Brother Esau]

So does this still mean that the poor AM2 people will be able to use the new chips with a bios update?

[Eastcoasthandle]

Some of these posts are getting into extreme AMD fanboyism. And some posts are simply flame bait. If you are going to post facts about AMD CPUs being better then Intel (TPD, clock rates, AMD equivalents to C2Q, etc) please provide a source or link that substantiates these facts other then your feelings about the subject at hand.

[mascaras]

Let's talk about the K10

Everyone is talking about Barcelona - not the city, the server processor version of AMD's K10 architecture. As Fuad from Fudzilla.com (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=1) is pointing out, only a fraction of us will invest money in that type of CPUs. So let's talk about the desktop version:
Starting from the Barcelona it sounds very logical that there will be two quad-core desktop versions. The Athlon 64 X4 (2MB shared L3-Cache, codename 'Agena') and the Athlon 64 FX (2MB shared L3, codename 'Agena FX'). There will be a dual-core Athlon 64 X2 ('Kuma'), it's unknown how much cache this will have implemented and last but not least there might be a single-core Athlon 64 ('Rana').
Some of the improvements of the K10 architecture are a faster HyperTransport solution (HT 3.0 up to 4GHz) and improved power saving modes (you don't need a driver anymore for it to work). Both will be supported by the new AM2+ platform. It remains to be seen if the new CPUs will be drop in compatible to existing sockets (losing the HT3 speeds and new Cool‘n’Quiet features of course).
Btw.: Fuad is talking about 'Budapest' as well which is a 1xxx Opteron supporting a single socket only.

Update:
After writing this post it came to my attention that there are several more websites knowing something about the K10. In a German forum called Effizienzgurus (http://forum.effizienzgurus.de/f36/sammelthread-amd-k10-altair-antares-arcturus-t258-7.html) you will find some more news regarding the whole lineup of processors.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-03-14/K10versions.jpg

Source: Fudzilla.com (http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=1)

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=27352








Budapest works on AM2+ socket


Roadmap: AMD's consumer Quad core



While everyone is still busy talking about Barcelona, a server CPU I believe that we should take more attention to a desktop part called Budapest. Most of us don't buy servers every day but we tend to change our desktop hardware quite a lot.


Budapest, a desktop version of AMD's native Quad core will work on an AM2+ socket. It won't be exclusive to socket 1207 only, as many originally believed. The CPU will end up with 2MB dedicated L2 cache and additional 2MB shared L3 cache.

The new socket supports Hyper transport 3 and interconnection speeds of more than 4000 MHz or twice as fast as the current Hypertransport 1. The only difference between AM2+ version of Budapest and the socket 1207 is that the first one doesn't supports dual socket machine aka Quad FX.



The rest should be the same but AMD might tweak the speeds to differentiate the products.


http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=1

regards

[gOJDO]

w0mbat posted these charts originally. Not sure how legitimate they may be going off the ever so dodgy fake k10 cpuz he's posted before.

Indeed, the table is full of BS, as much as the author and the_INQ!!!!
There would be NO such CPU as Athlon64 X4 Agena(a equivalent for K8 should be AthlonXP Athlon64? :rolleyes: )!!!!
Those noobz from the_INQ have no idea what are they BS-ing about and once again they reposted a BS from the poor faker.
All the K8 codenames Athlon64, Athlon64 FX, Athlon X2 and Opteron are going to be discountinued. The K10 line will have new codenames: Kuma, Agena FX, Agena and Barcelona respectively.
There will be no such thing as Agena, AgenaFX, Barcelona or Kuma core! The cores of all K10(K8L) CPUs are same and are K10(K8L). The differences between the CPUs with different codenames are the number of cores, the number of HTT links and the socket package, but their cores are all identical.

So once again, the_INQ is not a reliable source or a source of informations at all,.

[arisythila]

AMD boys do it because Intel boys do it, Intel boys do it because AMD boys do it... blah blah blah...... SSDD

BTW gOJDO, I also heard they are going to use FX, and X2, and X4. from a more direct connection to AMD.

~Mike

[frankR]

Why is there a 2.5 Ghz Quad Core A64 X4 and a 2.5 Ghz Quad Core A64 FX?

:confused:

The same CPU, two different names.

Edit:
DIfferent socket?

The standard A64 doesn't support the 4x4 platform?

[arisythila]

FX has a unlocked multiplier. Probably overclocks a bit better.

~Mike

[Dimitriman]

Why is there a 2.5 Ghz Quad Core A64 X4 and a 2.5 Ghz Quad Core A64 FX?

:confused:

The same CPU, two different names.

Edit:
DIfferent socket?

The standard A64 doesn't support the 4x4 platform?


Correct: The Athlon FX line will be Socket 1207 (F+) and 4x4 Compatible.
The Athlon X4 2900 is the exact same core but on the Socket 940 (AM2+) and NOT 4x4 Compatible.

[EternityZX9]

I can't remember where, but I believe metro said ES benches will be out in Q2...that's April at the earliest...maybe if we're lucky we will see some more info by then and some benches.

Oh, and I'm curious...where's that guy that supposedly works for Charter who posts on these froms time to time with info? I forget his name...someone should try and bribe him (if they know who I'm talking about) to drop us some info...would be nice :(

[Frank M]

Those noobz from the_INQ have no idea what are they BS-ing about
You don't like competition? :rolleyes: :p: :D
You got any proof to counter it? Well then, we could say that you have no idea either.

Everyone here knows that both the inq and now fudzilla also spread fud and guesses, but do you have any other source to get these info faster?

Second, these things are in line with what I've seen so far. They may even be right, who knows?

[w0mbat]

Indeed, the table is full of BS, as much as the author and the_INQ!!!!
There would be NO such CPU as Athlon64 X4 Agena(a equivalent for K8 should be AthlonXP Athlon64? :rolleyes: )!!!!
Those noobz from the_INQ have no idea what are they BS-ing about and once again they reposted a BS from the poor faker.
All the K8 codenames Athlon64, Athlon64 FX, Athlon X2 and Opteron are going to be discountinued. The K10 line will have new codenames: Kuma, Agena FX, Agena and Barcelona respectively.
There will be no such thing as Agena, AgenaFX, Barcelona or Kuma core! The cores of all K10(K8L) CPUs are same and are K10(K8L). The differences between the CPUs with different codenames are the number of cores, the number of HTT links and the socket package, but their cores are all identical.

So once again, the_INQ is not a reliable source or a source of informations at all,.

And if the INQ could read german they would have noticed that i wrote that AMD is going to change nearly the whole product name. But i dont know them yet so i wrote it the way the names are now.

[largon]

All the K8 codenames Athlon64, Athlon64 FX, Athlon X2 and Opteron are going to be discontinued. The K10 line will have new codenames: Kuma, Agena FX, Agena and Barcelona respectively.You really think AMD will dump the brandname it has been building for years and that they would force retailers to peddle a processor branded as Kuma? :rolleyes:

Mark my words:
Not going to happen.

[w0mbat]

@largon: There will be a name which shows the power of K10.

[XS Janus]

@largon: There will be a name which shows the power of K10.

Hopefully not something (gay)like "quad father" :cool:

[w0mbat]

Why not something gay? The "Loveparade" is coming to my city this year. So AMD Loveparade X4 :D

[xlink]

these names are obviously either poorly done or this is a fake.

who the hell would drop $1k on an x2 2900+ whih then could get a x2 3600+ for a mere $100

[[XC] Teroedni]

Another news post based on the inquirer:mad:


They could not even get that the Am2 Opteron k10 line is named Budapest....
Barcelona is the 2xxx 2p series of k10 and comes in socket 1207

[frankR]

I think AMD should brand these K10 processors distinctly different from K8. Drop Athlon, drop A64, drop the 3800+ mantra. Intel is strongly marketing Core 2 to gain brand recognition. They are spending a lot of money on TV ads. AMD needs to brand these as a revolution as Intel has with Core 2.

[JNav89GT]

I think AMD should brand these K10 processors distinctly different from K8. Drop Athlon, drop A64, drop the 3800+ mantra. Intel is strongly marketing Core 2 to gain brand recognition. They are spending a lot of money on TV ads. AMD needs to brand these as a revolution as Intel has with Core 2.

I agree if the cpu is a revolutionary upgrade vs A64. If it's more evolutionary performance then I'd disagree, but the naming structure on that list is not ideal :slapass:

[MAS]

who the hell would drop $1k on an x2 2900+ whih then could get a x2 3600+ for a mere $100

for octal-core system u'll need to pay 2400 USD (cpus + mobo)
if you don't need eights cores, you can just buy A64 X4 1900 and overclock

and of course x2 2900+ != X2 2900
to reach kuma's 2900MHz performance you have to OC brisbane/windsor over 3800MHz

[MAS]

w0mbat, it's better for you to obtain K10 sandra score than post draft K10 cpu names

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

yeah, I don't see them completely dropping the Athlon name. Who knows...

But since AMD has virtually no marketing, changing Athlon seems like an unwise move.

Ryan

[duploxxx]

w0mbat posted these charts originally. Not sure how legitimate they may be going off the ever so dodgy fake k10 cpuz he's posted before.

yep had the same exact idea, altough there will be a workstation cpu
but in this chart there is no difference between agena and barcelona.

[californian7856]

ok whens launch date?

AMD dont leak any ES do they loli rmemeber victor or andre got conroe ES around this time last year

[gOJDO]

Roadmap(speculative):

Server:
Opteron 8272SE 2.6GHz 120W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2008
Opteron 8270SE 2.5GHz 120W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q3 2007
Opteron 8268SE 2.4GHz 120W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q3 2007
Opteron 8266 2.3GHz 95W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2007
Opteron 8264 2.2GHz 95W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2007
Opteron 8262 2.1GHz 95W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2007
Opteron 8260HE 2.0GHz 68W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q4 2007
Opteron 8258HE 1.9GHz 68W TDP, socket F, 3 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q4 2007
Opteron 2272SE 2.6GHz 120W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2008
Opteron 2270SE 2.5GHz 120W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q3 2007
Opteron 2268SE 2.4GHz 120W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q3 2007
Opteron 2266 2.3GHz 95W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2007
Opteron 2264 2.2GHz 95W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2007
Opteron 2262 2.1GHz 95W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q2 2007
Opteron 2260HE 2.0GHz 68W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q4 2007
Opteron 2258HE 1.9GHz 68W TDP, socket F, 2 cHT links, 2000MT/s, DDR2-667, Q4 2007
Opteron 1370SE 2.5GHz 120W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 5200MT/s, DDR2-1067, 2008
Opteron 1368SE 2.4GHz 120W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 5200MT/s, DDR2-1067, 2008
Opteron 1366 2.3GHz 95W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 5200MT/s, DDR2-1067, 2008
Opteron 1364 2.2GHz 95W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 5200MT/s, DDR2-1067, 2008
Opteron 1362 2.1GHz 95W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 5200MT/s, DDR2-1067, 2008

Desktop:
AgenaFX 2.9GHz, unknown TDP, socket 1207+(Quad FX), 2 cHT links, 4000MT/s. DDR2-1067, 2008
AgenaFX 2.8GHz, unknown TDP, socket 1207+(Quad FX), 2 cHT links, 4000MT/s. DDR2-1067, 2008
AgenaFX 2.7GHz, unknown TDP, socket 1207+(Quad FX), 2 cHT links, 4000MT/s. DDR2-1067, 2008
Agena 2.6GHz, 125W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Agena 2.5GHz, 125W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Agena 2.4GHz, 125W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.9GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.8GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.7GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.6GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.5GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.4GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.3GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.2GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.1GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007
Kuma(dualcore) 2.0GHz, 89W TDP, socket AM2+, 1 cHT link, 4000MT/s, DDR2-1067, Q3 2007


Roadmap sources:
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=746541&starttime=0&endtime=0 (2007-02-23)
http://trackingamd.blogspot.com/2007/02/barcelona-model-numbers-revealed.html
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=709944
http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Quadcore+Opteron+Models+Unveiled/article5992.htm

[californian7856]

Q2 !!! whooaaaa?

btw is Agena FX socket 1207+ meant for octa or 8 cores??

like haveing 2 quad cores CPUs in a motherboard??


i have my eye on Agena AM2+

wait the Opteron 1200 series r AM2+ ... cool like ketnsfield xeons, but a bit pricey,i guess ill wait till Q3

hows Opteron 1266 2.5GHz compares to Agena X4 2.5GHz?? they all quad core, 2.5GHz

[turbox997]

these names are obviously either poorly done or this is a fake.

who the hell would drop $1k on an x2 2900+ whih then could get a x2 3600+ for a mere $100

Just for clarification, w0mbat answered that question a few posts up:
:stick: :fact:


And if the INQ could read german they would have noticed that i wrote that AMD is going to change nearly the whole product name. But i dont know them yet so i wrote it the way the names are now.

[VulgarHandle]

Q2 !!! whooaaaa?

btw is Agena FX socket 1207+ meant for octa or 8 cores??

like haveing 2 quad cores CPUs in a motherboard??


i have my eye on Agena AM2+

wait the Opteron 1200 series r AM2+ ... cool like ketnsfield xeons, but a bit pricey,i guess ill wait till Q3

hows Opteron 1266 2.5GHz compares to Agena X4 2.5GHz?? they all quad core, 2.5GHz

yes, Agena FX is for the QuadFX platform, which is essentially a 2P s1207 platform that uses unregistered ram, like desktop

current 2200 series opterons do work on the quadFX platform, which pretty much means new opterons will work too

there should be more QuadFX board makers, which will help drive the prices down, as will a chipset from AMD to run it

as far as i know, an Opteron Budapest (quad-core sAM2) and Agena (quad-core sAM2) are the same, like current 1200 series Opterons (dual-core sAM2) are the same as current Windsors (well, not all Windsors are 2x1mb L2 like all the 1200 series opties, but you get the point)... some say the Opterons are the 'cream of the crop' as far as hand-picking...

[Hicks]

So no Desktop Quad Core this year? You gotta be :banana::banana::banana::banana:ten me.

[VulgarHandle]

So no Desktop Quad Core this year? You gotta be :banana::banana::banana::banana:ten me.
Q3 07, as in, july to september this year, POSSIBLY no Quad-core Agena FX for the quadFX platform till '08

[Frank M]

So no Desktop Quad Core this year? You gotta be :banana::banana::banana::banana:ten me.
wrong.
was even posted on the previous page:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2069181&postcount=49

[Brother Esau]

A year behind Intel huh {sigh} well they better bring something special to the market or else I am going to be pissed!

[[XC] Lead Head]

A year behind Intel huh {sigh} well they better bring something special to the market or else I am going to be pissed!

Oh my god, a whole entire year? Intel was 3 years behind.

[arisythila]

hahaha yeah, nobody complained about it either.... Funny.

~Mike

[pengizzle]

Indeed, the table is full of BS, as much as the author and the_INQ!!!!
There would be NO such CPU as Athlon64 X4 Agena(a equivalent for K8 should be AthlonXP Athlon64? :rolleyes: )!!!!
Those noobz from the_INQ have no idea what are they BS-ing about and once again they reposted a BS from the poor faker.
All the K8 codenames Athlon64, Athlon64 FX, Athlon X2 and Opteron are going to be discountinued. The K10 line will have new codenames: Kuma, Agena FX, Agena and Barcelona respectively.
There will be no such thing as Agena, AgenaFX, Barcelona or Kuma core! The cores of all K10(K8L) CPUs are same and are K10(K8L). The differences between the CPUs with different codenames are the number of cores, the number of HTT links and the socket package, but their cores are all identical.

So once again, the_INQ is not a reliable source or a source of informations at all,.

oh pls stfu.

[Plywood99]

You don't like competition? :rolleyes: :p: :D


ROFL. I almost choked when I read that...


Ply

[perkam]

Oh my god, a whole entire year? Intel was 3 years behind.The day K10 shows up on Newegg's doorstop, Intel will be behind 6 months...so relax and watch as ES chips start stealing the limelight from intel this april.

Perkam

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

what is this 'behind' talk? It's not like they coordinate new generations and release dates.

Ryan

[gOJDO]

oh pls stfu.

oh please, that's not going to happen. So, FO

[californian7856]

ahh empire fights back... wait ... didnt they use that for intel's conroe lol

[zakelwe]

Those tables seem to indicate that the dual core Kuma has the same size L3 cache as the quad core cpu's. That does not sound logical to me. Either one has too much or one does not have enough. I would have though Kuma would have 1MB of L3.

Regards

Andy

[LOE]

amd would be the rebel :D

if K10 to conroe is as good as K8 was to pentium I see amd growing to become an empire as well

I would like to see amd and intel competing with equal resources, that will be a huge gain for us users

[Afterburner]

Oh, and I'm curious...where's that guy that supposedly works for Charter who posts on these froms time to time with info? I forget his name...someone should try and bribe him (if they know who I'm talking about) to drop us some info...would be nice :(
You refering to me ? :fact: :D

I have left Chartered already to persue my studies dude. The last I saw was Chartered's 65nm process for AMD has been certified and is being ramped up. In a few months, Module B will be completed and should be sampling 45nm wafers for AMD. The sad part is 99% of the technicians dont know anything or give a damn about what they are manufacturing. The engineers know but they are always tight lipped as there are so many NDAs + Patents + Trade Secrets involved. I was from Litho by the way ;)

[Shintai]

The day K10 shows up on Newegg's doorstop, Intel will be behind 6 months...so relax and watch as ES chips start stealing the limelight from intel this april.

Perkam

They would only be behind if K10 is actually faster than the Core 2 products...And besides alot of hot air and FUD we haven´t seen anything yet that tells us so, nor not tell us so for that matter. And when you can buy a 3Ghz C2D for 266$ or a 2.4Ghz C2Q for 266$ aswell. K10 better beat them by a large margin or be sold at discount.

[HamidFULL]

Athlon 64 X4 1900 Agena 1.9GHz 95W should be Best budget and Overclocker!, any price?

[Metroid]

I wonder when they will tell us about DDR3 + K10. As far as I know nothing was told yet. That sounds funny by the fact they said everything will be AM2 socket compatible, yes I understand that but is not k10 coming in Q3 the same date as Intel new upcoming socket Bearlake. Is AMD still sleeping like it happened with its transition DDR to DDR2. Well I hope QuadFX will use DDR3 by the fact it will be made for the enthusiastic people. Oh god AMD is still 1 step behind Intel. I hope this will change.:)

[Shintai]

I wonder when they will tell us about DDR3 + K10. As far as I know nothing was told yet. That sounds funny by the fact they said everything will be AM2 socket compatible, yes I understand that but is not k10 coming in Q3 the same date as Intel new upcoming socket Bearlake. Is AMD still sleeping like it happened with its transition DDR to DDR2. Well I hope QuadFX will use DDR3 by the fact it will be made for the enthusiastic people. Oh god AMD is still 1 step behind Intel. I hope this will change.:)

You can only use DDR3 with AM3. It should come in H2 2008. And since AM3 uses serial VIDs etc. You will need AM3 chips too, since AM2+ chips wont work in the sockets. AMD had originally planned DDR3 support for AM2+, but they had to drop it and move it to AM3 only.

[Hicks]

wrong.
was even posted on the previous page:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2069181&postcount=49

I was asking, i don't get these charts, and this 4x4 crap and whatever.

[arisythila]

They would only be behind if K10 is actually faster than the Core 2 products...And besides alot of hot air and FUD we haven´t seen anything yet that tells us so, nor not tell us so for that matter. And when you can buy a 3Ghz C2D for 266$ or a 2.4Ghz C2Q for 266$ aswell. K10 better beat them by a large margin or be sold at discount.

LOL, Why do you think they are lowering a 900 dollar processor to 266 dollars?(3GHz)

They have too. until the next best thing, maybe 3 years down the road.. who knows.

~Mike

[perkam]

They would only be behind if K10 is actually faster than the Core 2 products...And besides alot of hot air and FUD we haven´t seen anything yet that tells us so, nor not tell us so for that matter. And when you can buy a 3Ghz C2D for 266$ or a 2.4Ghz C2Q for 266$ aswell. K10 better beat them by a large margin or be sold at discount.Fast is one element of it, the K10 being a native quad core, intel will not have its own until Q1 2008 according to roadmaps, so it will be behind.

And it will end up faster, it would be inconceivable for them to be slower for having been released a year later...this is AMD after all, the current X2s when oced begin to bridge the speed gap in games already.

Perkam

[arisythila]

Perkam you just opened a door to an alligator pit when you said X2's are beginning to bridge the speed gap in games.........

Im getting out of this thread..... quick.

~Mike

[bloodbanger]

he said when oced...so not on stock speeds

[arisythila]

Im getting my Athlon 6000+ today! :-)

~Mike

[arisythila]

Well, It was my dads computer I was building for him, Which is why I bought one. I guess I shouldn't claim stuff thats not mine. Even tho I got the results.

~Mike

[Shintai]

LOL, Why do you think they are lowering a 900 dollar processor to 266 dollars?(3GHz)

They have too. until the next best thing, maybe 3 years down the road.. who knows.

~Mike

Your logic is a mess. In that case a E6700 should cost 999$ today and an E6600 600$.

If you didnt get the memo yet, there is a pricewar and Intel want to hurt AMD alot.

Also the 3Ghz at 266$ is also due to Quadcore 2.4Ghz at 266$, 2.66Ghz Quad at 530$ and 2.93Ghz quad at 999$.

Atleast get your facts straight. We know you hate Intel and wont get a penny. But dont try and act like you can fool anyone.

[Shintai]

Well, It was my dads computer I was building for him, Which is why I bought one. I guess I shouldn't claim stuff thats not mine. Even tho I got the results.

~Mike

And now its time for prof, or is it the BS talking again :stick:

[arisythila]

I will give you proof when I get my new stuff. I can take out this crappy Conroe, and EVGA 680i and sell it to some muck.

I was speaking that the X6800 is roughly 900 dollars. and they are cutting that price down to 266 dollars. I said nothing about E6700 or E6600..... Maybe if Intel makes some more money they can pay me....

~Mike

[Shintai]

I will give you proof when I get my new stuff. I can take out this crappy Conroe, and EVGA 680i and sell it to some muck.

I was speaking that the X6800 is roughly 900 dollars. and they are cutting that price down to 266 dollars. I said nothing about E6700 or E6600..... Maybe if Intel makes some more money they can pay me....

~Mike

Why wouldnt they, when you can get a QUADCORE at the same X6800 speeds. Perhaps you should wakeup to reality. :fact:

And we are looking forward to your "proof". Tho I can foresee alot if issues and/or photoshopping.

[arisythila]

Edited by njkid32- please no rude comments!

I don't think I've ever lied to this forum. Can anybody recall this?

~Mike

[Shintai]

I don't think I've ever lied to this forum. Can anybody recall this?

~Mike

You sure dont hold back on the personals. Got problems with the facts again and lost the ability to use actual arguments?

I´m sorry for you that you hate one company so much. But it still doesn´t change the fact and numbers.

[EternityZX9]

You refering to me ? :fact: :D

I have left Chartered already to persue my studies dude. The last I saw was Chartered's 65nm process for AMD has been certified and is being ramped up. In a few months, Module B will be completed and should be sampling 45nm wafers for AMD. The sad part is 99% of the technicians dont know anything or give a damn about what they are manufacturing. The engineers know but they are always tight lipped as there are so many NDAs + Patents + Trade Secrets involved. I was from Litho by the way ;)

Yes, I was refering to you. Hi :) :p:

And, that's too bad, I didn't know you left. You were a good source of inside info, I thought, when you worked there. :D

Edit: Saw you're on the XS News team now...I remember Fugger offerring to pay you for your "talents" did that happen or did you join up cause you like this forum so much? :p:

[perkam]

Yeah, another stock vs. OC comparison. Perkam, I'm disappointed. :nono:Well on average, AMD's offerings are cheaper relative to their intel counterparts, and when an AMD user is considering whether or not to switch to intel, the $20-$30 price gap (remember i'm talking perceived equivalency, ignoring the fact that an e6600 can wipe out the entire line up) plus the cost of changing hardware is compensated by buying an amd chip and ocing it to a level such that performance is "similar" to its equivalent offering (price wise is one way to see which are amd/intel equivalent offerings).

If Intel's processors had all the same prices as AMD's all the way through the line up and happened to have names such as Intel C2d E4200, E4400, E4600, E4800 and E5200, then a stock vs stock would've been unavoidable, but it isn't that way atm.

The fact that Intel's current architecture is superior is not news to anyone, but it is impossible, and naive to assume, that all users would switch to intel even with a clearly superior product and for whatever personal reasons AMD users have for hanging on to AMD, a stock vs OC comparison is a tool which provides solace to the mind of someone who just spent $1-2k on an amd system, therefore is perfectly natural.

Perkam

[Lightman]

I'm with you Perkam.

I just bought Athlon64 3200+ to easy my waiting for Barcelona.
In your currency I had to pay $40 for complete upgrade form my Athlon XP with AGP card to S939 comp with PCIe (R9800SE to X800RX :D ).

This will be enough for browsing and some games for next 6 months, then I will shell out $2000 on major upgrade :banana: .

[arisythila]

You sure dont hold back on the personals. Got problems with the facts again and lost the ability to use actual arguments?

I´m sorry for you that you hate one company so much. But it still doesn´t change the fact and numbers.

Yeah, I hate them so much, that I own a Conroe system now. I think the major reason im getting out of Intel is because people like you, You guys are a bunch of dumb asses. Your trying to convince me that Conroe is #1.. Really? :banana::banana::banana::banana:, I can tell you this. Fact of the matter is, I think when K10 comes out, you guys are going to be the one saying, "But Intel clocked at 4.5GHz beats K10 @ 2.5GHz." I don't want to be associated with your people.

Thanks for convincing me to hate Intel even more. You did a swell job.

~Mike

[arisythila]

Solace of mind is about all you would get if you spent 1-2k on AMD system right now.

And I highly doubt people spending 1-2k on an AMD system are factoring in that $20-30 you mentioned earlier. ;)

I just spent 700 dollars on a DFI 590SLI, and a 6000+, going to use same PC9200 memory, and video card and stuff.

~Mike

[arisythila]

I bought from newegg. 188 for the board, and 459 for the CPU. Rush delivery, and next day air. LOL. I gotta get rid of this Intel quick. Plus I already have a buyer for it.

http://fedex.com/Tracking/Detail?ftc_start_url=&totalPieceNum=&backTo=&template_type=print&cntry_code=us&language=english&pieceNum=&trackNum=925537010386

~Mike

[syne_24]

The fact that Intel's current architecture is superior is not news to anyone, but it is impossible, and naive to assume, that all users would switch to intel even with a clearly superior product and for whatever personal reasons AMD users have for hanging on to AMD, a stock vs OC comparison is a tool which provides solace to the mind of someone who just spent $1-2k on an amd system, therefore is perfectly natural.


That's because the average consumers are not inform as we are; therefore, they are more likely to stick with the same amd platform and upgrade just the cpu. For the ones who look at the big picture, doing a total upgrade is the better deal at hand then investing in something that is not cost feasible in terms of performance for the price. You would need a solace of a mind to carry over the insanity if you've spent that much while something cheaper and perform better is at hand. Sometimes you gotta know when to sell and buy in this market, hold no allegiance, and you will be fine.

[arisythila]

I wouldnt really say investing in computer equipment is a good idea.. hehe :-) Especially with Intel loosing their minds cutting prices like mad.

~Mike

[John600rr]

I bought from newegg. 188 for the board, and 459 for the CPU. Rush delivery, and next day air. LOL. I gotta get rid of this Intel quick. Plus I already have a buyer for it.

~Mike

Is K10 supposed to work with the board you just bought? I don't understand your thinking.

I get it when people got bought Celeron's for $50 to hold over for Conroe, but $459 and $188 for a CPU and board that are slower than your current system (if it's a decent Intel system) AND wont even work with K10?

[arisythila]

K10 is suppose to drop into ANY AM2 mainboard. Do you understand now?

My current system, is the EVGA 680i, and the 6300, 6300 hits 3.5GHz easily.

~Mike

[syne_24]

I wouldnt really say investing in computer equipment is a good idea.. hehe :-) Especially with Intel loosing their minds cutting prices like mad.

~Mike

I wouldnt say it's a good idea either, too addicting lol. But hey low prices are good, what's not to like? lol Honestly my days of spending $1K for cpu's are over, now I actually take interest in the performance for the price. This is coming from an FX's series where I paid nearly triple and got wipe out when C2D released. I hope K10 can do the same when it comes out. Keep it low price and overclock like crazy.. :)

[John600rr]

K10 is suppose to drop into ANY AM2 mainboard. Do you understand now?


So you spent potentially $700 on a downgrade. I get it. Thanks.

[arisythila]

I guess so... I think I mainly spent 700 dollars on a down grade to not be associated with people like Shintai.

BTW, AMD has said K10 will drop into any current AM2 mainboard, same with Socket 1207. Only fall backs is it will be a HT3.0 CPU, but current boards are only HT1.0. So some benefits when HT3.0 boards come out. AM2+, and 1207+

~Mike

[arisythila]

Yeah, I was thinking about getting the 5600, ot 5800+ but No one has really OC'ed them, so I went with the 6k+ Plus my current Tuniq tower cant really bolt onto AM2. so Im going to be using stock. and I only paid 200 dollars for the upgrade. LOL So its not a huge deal.

Also, K10 is almost here, I needed to swap back to socket AM2.

~Mike

[alayashu]

in the meanwhile it looks like there will be a new price cut from the green side.
X2 6000+ at 238$ or X2 3600+ at 75$ in April :D

http://jonnyguru.com/news_details.php?id=206
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1646

take it with a grain of salt though :)

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

holy dog. $75 for a dual core setup... that's intense.

Ryan

[gOJDO]

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/Stupidity.jpg
A guy posts something he thinks is a pricing list........I want 100 of these: :rolleyes:
Athlon64 X2 EE AM2 ADO3600CUBOX (20.00)
Athlon64 AM2 ADA4000CWBOX (10.00)

[XS Janus]

Why are some people still surprised by the intel Q3 price drop!!
It is normal - yorkfield will replace the Kentsfields just a few months after the price drop. And when it comes out they will surely have a wide range of products probably starting from 266+. And that means that for 266+ bucks you will get a faster quadcore than offered today by Intel - and Kensfields will be phased out.

[Ubermann]

Nice pricelist =))

[alayashu]

A guy posts something he thinks is a pricing list........I want 100 of these: :rolleyes:
Athlon64 X2 EE AM2 ADO3600CUBOX (20.00)
Athlon64 AM2 ADA4000CWBOX (10.00)

i think its obvious the author of that page listed there the hypothetical
cuts from the current prices. It looks its not...

[frankR]

Like all K10 thread this one has degenered into bitter bickering between fans boys.

[XS Janus]

Like all K10 thread this one has degenered into bitter bickering between fans boys.

QFT!

Let's hope the new K10 thread will bring us some more info:cool:

[DoubleZero]

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/Stupidity.jpg
A guy posts something he thinks is a pricing list........I want 100 of these: :rolleyes:
Athlon64 X2 EE AM2 ADO3600CUBOX (20.00)
Athlon64 AM2 ADA4000CWBOX (10.00)
That's the value of the price cuts, not the new price of the cpu's...

[w0mbat]

AMD is going to lower the K10 Qudcore TDP to a max. of 95W.
http://www.golem.de/0703/51141.html

[flippin_waffles]

Can you summarize the rest of the article please w0mbat?

[w0mbat]

Golem.de made a interview with Guiseppe Amato, tech direktor from AMD marketing. They showed a 65nm K10 Quadcore wafer and 65nm is doing pretty well. And he says that the max TDP of any Barcelona Quad is 95W. Of cause there will be some 68W TDP parts too. But still no releasdate.

[arisythila]

Figures, AMD will make these perfect before they release... LOL

~Mike

[largon]

I'm feeling like picking up the Hammer once again.
Had my share of Conroe.

[arisythila]

hehe.... Crazy.

Just playing with my 6000+ It's doing 3.2GHz stock voltage.... :-)

~Mike

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

mike, you absolutely SUCK! You're making my Opteron 165 cry at 2.8

Ryan

[LOE]

that site has 2 very nice images

an excelent wafer shot

and also a big K10 die shot, pretty clear and good to go for some more speculating :D

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2499/barcelonadieqt0.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2628/barcelonawaferns2.jpg

[Dainas]

that site has 2 very nice images

an excelent wafer shot

and also a big K10 die shot, pretty clear and good to go for some more speculating :D


Oh my, well you certainly can't fault the design on aesthetic beauty.

[californian7856]

wonder how K10 @ 3+GHz competes with yorksfield at 4GHz :)
]
and yorksfield better be cheap , like Q6600 in Q3 $266 .. man thats just wayy too cheap

[largon]

LOE,
The die shot isn't that nice in the end because it's too low res. You can't really see the "interesting" details.

And the wafer pic has been floating this forum for a month or two already.
The original is very nice 16Mpix (4992x3328) 17.3MB jpg.

[Afterburner]

Yes, I was refering to you. Hi :) :p:

And, that's too bad, I didn't know you left. You were a good source of inside info, I thought, when you worked there. :D

Edit: Saw you're on the XS News team now...I remember Fugger offerring to pay you for your "talents" did that happen or did you join up cause you like this forum so much? :p:
Fugger and Pay :confused: Any link ? :p:

Nobody did approach me as far as i know. I been on the Forums and a XS News member for some time already. I been a Hardware Enthusiast since long before I joined Chartered... :D

Doesnt mean I am out of Chartered, I can no longer get any info.... ;)

[arisythila]

mike, you absolutely SUCK! You're making my Opteron 165 cry at 2.8

Ryan

3.3GHz on stock cooler/voltage... LOL :-) Ill provide some CPUZ in my thread over on the AMD Forum here.

~Mike

[pengizzle]

that site has 2 very nice images

an excelent wafer shot

and also a big K10 die shot, pretty clear and good to go for some more speculating :D

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2628/barcelonawaferns2.jpg

i remember nn_step having this jpg in very high resolution (17mb version) on his site for a very short time...could anyone host it again cuz i want it for my desktop.

[arisythila]

yeah, I had it for my desk stop.. this one must be the 640x480 version...

~Mike

[oldblue]

i remember nn_step having this jpg in very high resolution (17mb version) on his site for a very short time...could anyone host it again cuz i want it for my desktop.

Try this:

http://www.amd-images.de/proc.html

[mAJORD]

Excellent news @ the Price drops.

Take with a grain of salt as you say, but he was spot on with his prediction last time.

Hopefully right again.