Intel P35 "Bearlake" Chipset Performance Preview

[Blauhung]

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1062/1/page_1_p35_bearlake_performance_preview/index.html

should be fun

[vengance_01]

Bah I see nothing here to get excited about at all. All those claims of 15% better preformace, yea right:slapass: I understand its beta, but not much will change before launch.

[nn_step]

using DDR2 to judge performance, is far from accurate testing

[vengance_01]

But I thought these boards will ship with DDR2 first, then move to DDR3 when production ramped up. I can see DDR3 helping the Quad Cores, but I can't really see it helping the Dual Cores all that much.

[Revv23]

NN DDR3 is still a long way from hitting mass market, so right now intel needs P35 to rock the DDR2 wolrd AND then DDR3 world.

[Cuthalu]

DDR2 is the best way to test it against older chipsets to compare how good/bad the chipset (not the memory) is against it's predecessors.

[LOE]

not impressed, no 15% performance gains here

with ddr3 things will probably be a bit different, but I expect first DDR3 memory to be worse than DDR2, as DDR2 was worse than DDR

by H2 2008 DDR3 should be a stable mature tech

[nn_step]

not impressed, no 15% performance gains here

with ddr3 things will probably be a bit different, but I expect first DDR3 memory to be worse than DDR2, as DDR2 was worse than DDR

by H2 2008 DDR3 should be a stable mature tech

are you kidding me, DDR3 samples from over 3 months ago could take the absolute best Bin of DDR2 out NOW and surpass their performance in both terms of Bandwidth and latency

[K404]

Then why have DDR3-1600 at 9-9-9? I wouldnt buy that unless some of the guys here show that the timings can be pulled down to at least 6-6-6 to see an advantage over what we have now

[Nanometer]

Then why have DDR3-1600 at 9-9-9? I wouldnt buy that unless some of the guys here show that the timings can be pulled down to at least 6-6-6 to see an advantage over what we have now


You don't know what that even means what out having a hands on test. For all that matters, it could be 1600 at 22-22-22, and still have better bandwidth and latency then DDR2. What is important here is how the new memory scales. Just because the numbers have higher latency timings, it doesn't mean that the latency will hurt performance. It all depends on the design. Sure you can get an idea of where things are going by how high the latency is, but I think 9-9-9 is pretty impressive to start things out, especially at such high clocks. We started DDR2 around 6-6-6 DDR2 800. Now we have DDR2 1000, and hitting cas 3. So I think we can expect DDR3 2000 with 5-5-5 latency in less then 2 years.

[M.Beier]

are you kidding me, DDR3 samples from over 3 months ago could take the absolute best Bin of DDR2 out NOW and surpass their performance in both terms of Bandwidth and latency

Yeah and Santa is black..
Lower latency.. Pfff.. Not yet, not yet.. And please, we're talking about a product that isnt even released, turn off the hype about it a bit..

[K404]

We started DDR2 around 6-6-6 DDR2 800. Now we have DDR2 1000, and hitting cas 3. So I think we can expect DDR3 2000 with 5-5-5 latency in less then 2 years.

Exactly! You're kinda proving my point- though you're right, theres more to it than raw MHz and core timings.

Like DDR1->DDR2 though, the first lot out wont be *that* great. Be my guest and pay the premium for the small boost..I think most people will give it a few months to start getting itself together, and lower prices.

[nn_step]

Yeah and Santa is black..
Lower latency.. Pfff.. Not yet, not yet.. And please, we're talking about a product that isnt even released, turn off the hype about it a bit..

of course
http://www.uwm.edu/Course/art100/LearningObject/Images/Institutionalism/AndresSerrano/InterpOfDreams(BlackSanta)B.jpg

[Kingcarcas]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/Kingcarcas/alrightythen.jpg
:rofl:

[LOE]

are you kidding me, DDR3 samples from over 3 months ago could take the absolute best Bin of DDR2 out NOW and surpass their performance in both terms of Bandwidth and latency

got a link?

[Shintai]

Aint the 15% for the entire new 45nm setup? 45nm CPU+Bearlake+DDR3.

[LowRun]

Aint the 15% for the entire new 45nm setup? 45nm CPU+Bearlake+DDR3.

Then it won't be impressive at all, especially with the premium it will carry.

[Poodle]

I wouldn't argue against NN on DDR3...

[JoeBar]

You don't know what that even means what out having a hands on test. For all that matters, it could be 1600 at 22-22-22, and still have better bandwidth and latency then DDR2. What is important here is how the new memory scales. Just because the numbers have higher latency timings, it doesn't mean that the latency will hurt performance. It all depends on the design. Sure you can get an idea of where things are going by how high the latency is, but I think 9-9-9 is pretty impressive to start things out, especially at such high clocks. We started DDR2 around 6-6-6 DDR2 800. Now we have DDR2 1000, and hitting cas 3. So I think we can expect DDR3 2000 with 5-5-5 latency in less then 2 years.
QFT! :fact:

[Shintai]

Then it won't be impressive at all, especially with the premium it will carry.

What premium? The DDR3?

[Jamesrt2004]

QFT! :fact:

Agree with you on your QFT :D

[Jamesrt2004]

What premium? The DDR3?

Think he meant for the setup
"45nm CPU+Bearlake+DDR3."

[eXceededgoku]

I wouldn't argue against NN on DDR3...
QFT. And the fact that DDR1600 at 9-9-9 timings is like 4.5 timings on DDR2....

[Shintai]

Think he meant for the setup
"45nm CPU+Bearlake+DDR3."

That would be wierd. Since the CPU will clock additional high. Its compared at same clocks ofcourse.

I can upgrade to a G80 too and get more performance...at a premium. :p:

[californian7856]

wow 0 performance gain .... yes a lot of the difference are negligible , had they run the test couple more times. ersults could have been different and yes i know its an unfinished m/b with beta bios, by the time this matures i wonder how much performance it has over 975i or even the 965P now

i am still waiting for X38


well i build comps mainly to play games, and i aint gonna shell out $200+ bucks for a m/b thats imature (by Q3 , Q4 w/e) and has no performance gain over what i have now

Bah I see nothing here to get excited about at all. All those claims of 15% better preformace, yea right:slapass: I understand its beta, but not much will change before launch.

[Anemone]

Do remember that this is the mainstream chipset we are looking at too. The later due date of the high performance part, may well be due to additional tweaking and design work going on with it.

I'm on a "wait and see" on DDR3 though. Better performance, better bins are all possible, but not on the first market introduction. First adopters on DDR2 got a washing when things got dramatically better later, so looking at that, I'm wait and see how DDR3 gets tweaked before moving in that direction.

X38 on DDR2 might not be a bad move, have to see.

[LowRun]

What premium? The DDR3?

Yup mainly the DDR3 but 45nm and the new chipset will bring a lil' premium too to start with.

[adamsleath]

not touching first wave of ddr3...

am interested in any new faster cpu tho.