this new Conroe is realy all that?

[Perc]

ive been out of the loop for about a year maybe more ive been waiting on chilly1 and gang to get my phasechange back up and runnig so i havent been overclocking or even using whats left of my pc. just want some input before i start this next build problem is ive let my self self go to long everythings changed...

now from what ive been reading these past few months amd is not the best choice anymore? i think think this sucks and realy would like to pick up with where i left off using the amd dual cores.now this x2 3600 / x2 4000 look awsome and the price omg!! these dont compare to intel atlest price wise? not trying to start an amd vrs intel here. infact this is my first day at the site doing some serios reading about the new rig. and plan on reading everything and all i can find on the subject just to get cought up. so im off to read and sory for the hyjack.. thr switch from amd to the conroe is it even worth it? sorry to sound so stupid i realy plan on hitting the web pages and every page in this site that will help...

thx perc

[Big SturL]

It sure is. But in some years, AMD will probably be on top again. It's the same with nVidia and ATi. Sometimes nVidia is better, sometimes not. The rule would probably be to buy what's best at the current time being, or, what suits you the best.

[i found nemo]

is cd2 faster than k8, yes by how much, not much. lol.

[fhpchris]

is cd2 faster than k8, yes by how much, not much. lol.
:shrug: Whatever you need to tell yourself?

[arisythila]

Chris, its not that great..... My 6300 isnt very much faster than my 4400. Overclocking tho, it is. My 4400 only did about 3 GHz, this chip does about 3.4GHz. but stock for stock, you defiantly wont notice a difference. I'm defiantly going back to AMD once 6000 comes in stock.

~Mike

[Clairvoyant129]

is cd2 faster than k8, yes by how much, not much. lol.


I guess C2D being 25% faster clock for clock isn't "that much" to you.

But to the TC, get whatever that suits your needs, don't let fanboys make your decision.

The X2 3600+ is awesome for the price but if you're willing to spend more, an E6300 is great too.

[arisythila]

hahahaha.... fanboys... :-) Don't let them intel fanboys persuade you to go to the dark side.

;-)

~Mike

[arisythila]

I own both.. but then again, I can. I'm also not 100% happy with my Conroe. I am with my AMD's tho, I can run 100% load with my AMD's without my mouse glitching all over the place. I cant do that with my Intel rig.

Also, I don't suggest anybody buy anything from ANY company until summer time. It wouldn't be a smart idea.

[arisythila]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103773

YES IT IN STOCK!!! Ordering now!

[arisythila]

System is at stock :-) 1.86 GHz

~Mike

[arisythila]

Yes, but can we still blame it on intel? PLEASE... LOL

yeah I got the 680i. But eVGA is super nice and overnighting me the new revision. which I'm going to sell because the 6000+ is in stock, and I'd rather have AMD. I like the shut down feature of AMD's motherboard. Where it locks up or shuts down instead of mouse glitching.

~Mike

[arisythila]

LOL. I just happen to be able to spend 10,000 if I want... I did VERY good this last year. :-)

Also, I don't hate Intel, I just don't agree with what they did to me. Which is why i'm in a lawsuit with them. When the K5's were out and stuff, I had one, not because it was faster than Intel or whatever, but because of what Intel did to me and the fact it was cheaper(I was poor back then).

It would be like, If you want to a restaurant and you ordered up a 16 Oz New York Steak, you get it and it for instance has a big fag loogy in it. you can defiantly tell, because you can see the nice green mucussy texture. So the waiter, you say, Someone spit in my food, and the waiter says, "So... who cares."

Thats what Intel did to some of us small computer shop people. They hauked a loogy in out 16 Oz Steak, They didn't even say whoops or sorry. Once I get my 1.5 million from them, Ill be less biased. Everything will be flowers, raindrops and sugarcane fields.

~Mike

[p0tter]

I upgraded from a dual core X2 @ 2.7 (939) to my current setup e6400 @ 3.6.

If you are purchasing a new mobo I would suggest conroe over an AM2.

[arisythila]

which one?

[arisythila]

never played supreme commander, so I cannot comment on it.

~Mike

[oharag]

It sure is. But in some years, AMD will probably be on top again. It's the same with nVidia and ATi. Sometimes nVidia is better, sometimes not. The rule would probably be to buy what's best at the current time being, or, what suits you the best.

I do not think so. The one thing Intel has going for it is it's financial and physical resources. Intel can innovate, and produce a large amount of chips in a sort period of time. Intel was caught with their pants down 5+ years ago. they've made a great turnaround.

I did purchase dual Athlon chips to build my first system. Will be going C2D soon.

[savantu]

Chris, its not that great..... My 6300 isnt very much faster than my 4400. Overclocking tho, it is. My 4400 only did about 3 GHz, this chip does about 3.4GHz. but stock for stock, you defiantly wont notice a difference. I'm defiantly going back to AMD once 6000 comes in stock.

~Mike

Great , trade your 40w chip for a 125w one with the same performance.Brilliant... :stick:

[Kenetixx]

c2d is faster in most apps , in some heaps faster. I personally wouldn't touch intel (bad experience with there rma) but they seem to be better for most applications. With AM2 you can upgrade to Barcelona when its available which could be till the end of the year who knows, really it comes down to your budget, and what you need. And is you like to PLAY super Pi :P

[TigeriS]

Great , trade your 40w chip for a 125w one with the same performance.Brilliant... :stick:

You mean the E6300 has the same performance as the 6000+?

[|3ourne]

And don't let them AMD fanbois make you think you have to buy from just ONE company. :nono: :slapass:

Buy what you want, but know the facts. FACT is AMD has nothing as fast as C2D and will NOT be releasing their response to it until "late summer" (from the mouth of their CEO yesterday).

sigh , you know I have been following alot of the AMD threads lately and it seems all you are doing is tooting your own horn. I dont post much but I couldnt hold back this time. This IS an AMD section. Yes we all know that Conroe is faster than AMD but most of it is number crunching. A decently overclocked AMD rig plays any and every game out there just fine. So what if you are pulling 11 sec Superpi , most of us dont run Superpi each day. To each his own. It seems to me that YOU have something to reassure yourself. We are not misguiding anyone here but has it occured to you that we might , just might , prefer AMD ?? Not to mention the price/performance ratio for AMD is simply AMAZING right now ?? Yes you can get a conroe and overclock it to god knows what speeds but how much would you be paying for the motherboard ?? A lot more than an equivalently equipped decent clocking mobo for AMD .
Then comes the argument that you simply ARE comparing this generation's cpu against AMD's last generation CPU. Surprisingly you are coming off just as bad a fanboi as you so allegedly call others. You have Conroe , great , go jump around with the other Intel users in the Intel section and stop flaming the AMD forums unless you have something substantial to contribute. :slap:

[nick2crete]

sigh , you know I have been following alot of the AMD threads lately and it seems all you are doing is tooting your own horn. I dont post much but I couldnt hold back this time. This IS an AMD section. Yes we all know that Conroe is faster than AMD but most of it is number crunching. A decently overclocked AMD rig plays any and every game out there just fine. So what if you are pulling 11 sec Superpi , most of us dont run Superpi each day. To each his own. It seems to me that YOU have something to reassure yourself. We are not misguiding anyone here but has it occured to you that we might , just might , prefer AMD ?? Not to mention the price/performance ratio for AMD is simply AMAZING right now ?? Yes you can get a conroe and overclock it to god knows what speeds but how much would you be paying for the motherboard ?? A lot more than an equivalently equipped decent clocking mobo for AMD .
Then comes the argument that you simply ARE comparing this generation's cpu against AMD's last generation CPU. Surprisingly you are coming off just as bad a fanboi as you so allegedly call others. You have Conroe , great , go jump around with the other Intel users in the Intel section and stop flaming the AMD forums unless you have something substantial to contribute. :slap:
Agree 100%:cool:

[Skillz]

Well I am in the market to build a new system as well.

I'm just just not sure what I should get, AM2, 939 or the Conroe.

I am guessing the C2D > AM2 > 939

Being that AMD is still on it's last generation chips, the next generation chips will be using the AM2 socket; so in planning for future upgrades getting AM2 would probably be the best option, no?

[xenolith]

Yes Skillz, AM2 would make more sense in your case.

I agree with brentpresley 100%. The OP asked about the C2D, heck it's in the title! That opens this thread up to Intel input -- it would be a disservice to the OP if there wasn't.

Maybe it would be a good idea if the mods moved the thread over to the Intel section given the title and the sensitive feelings here in the AMD section?

[arisythila]

Great , trade your 40w chip for a 125w one with the same performance.Brilliant... :stick:

HArf harf harf... who cares? I personally dont. I'm just not very happy with my Intel setup. brilliant I cant use my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing PS2 ports.. brilliant!

Merf:fact:

~Mike

[arisythila]

He SPECIFICALLY asked about Conroe. :stick:

HELLO!


EDIT - maybe a mod should move the thread?

Yeah, Silly ass Intel people cant read... Post Intel questions in the AMD forums... hahaha ;-)

~Mike

[i found nemo]

I guess C2D being 25% faster clock for clock isn't "that much" to you.

But to the TC, get whatever that suits your needs, don't let fanboys make your decision.

The X2 3600+ is awesome for the price but if you're willing to spend more, an E6300 is great too.

i hope you weren't reffering to me when you said fanboi :slapass: i just don't see conroe being super duper fast other than in pi. and i don't think 25% is accurate. i'm thinkin' more like 10-15%

[Charloz24]

I like my Conroe a lot!!! Why? Because, I love overclocking and the Conroe remind me of my best overclocking memories : AMD 1700+ DLT3C

[Skillz]

Yes Skillz, AM2 would make more sense in your case.

That's what I thought too, it's just picking out the right motherboard is my problem. I want something that I wont have to upgrade when the new chips come out.

[Kurz]

that's pretty easy, supreme commander loves massive bandwith and pure cpu power, power as in HIGH mhz, the core2duo may be faster, it isn't at stock vs a stock FX74 lol ;)
yet, you clock them both at same levels and it tied up again .
ingame teh 6700 and 8800GTX gets beaten when playing 81x81 maps lol

Do you have a quad core AMD system?
If you do I wouldnt be surprised the AMD beats the Core2Duo.
At several sites like this site.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamespot.com%2Fpc%2Fstrategy% 2Fsupremecommander%2Fshow_msgs.php%3Ftopic_id%3Dm-1-33765199%26pid%3D928861&ei=4i3uRZCWBoeWgwT8y_DVCQ&usg=__0rNU9qaXDER7Ltt5oWgtYV2FdaQ=&sig2=vqCLBSqTDpV4AHcAE7fR6g

A lower Clocked Q6700 beats the x6800 system.
Dont spread FUD

[shogo_ca]

LOL. I just happen to be able to spend 10,000 if I want... I did VERY good this last year. :-)

Also, I don't hate Intel, I just don't agree with what they did to me. Which is why i'm in a lawsuit with them. Thats what Intel did to some of us small computer shop people. They hauked a loogy in out 16 Oz Steak, They didn't even say whoops or sorry.
~Mike

Hi, id be curious to hear more of that ehe. What did intel do to small computer shop people exactly?

[Spawne32]

is cd2 faster than k8, yes by how much, not much. lol.

whatever helps you sleep at night AMD user :lol::D

[i found nemo]

ha ha ha!

[Thasp]

is cd2 faster than k8, yes by how much, not much. lol.

I have an opteron 165 and an e6400.

On 9 hour prime stable overclocks(2.7 for windows, 2.4 for linux) on the opteron, and 3.6 GHz on the e6400, I get 15 FPS on the first pass of a video encode on the opteron. Sometimes peaks at 15.5. On the e6400, I get peaks of 21-22, with an average of 19 using the same program, same profile, same source file.

That's.. 25% better, and I paid $130 more for the opteron nine months before getting the e6400($350 vs $220).

You won't notice much difference in gaming or everyday stuff IMO but for what Intel used to always have the upper hand in(encoding & media related applications), it doesn't get better than the new intel chips for now.

I haven't tested both at stock that much, but I am surprised this is being mentioned in the thread. This is the last site I'd ever expect people to be comparing CPU performance at stock speed. :p

I am looking forward to AMD being back on top. I have many silly problems with Intel, on 965 and 975. On 975, if an overclock were stable for the ram at 333 fsb, that same mem speed at 400 would no longer work. This was fixed on 965. However, on 965, I can run memtest at 464 FSB, 3.7 GHz, for nine hours, prime95 for nine hours or more, and sometimes when I boot up and start prime, with the _SAME_ settings and a cool computer, it'll freeze after 1-2 seconds. It makes no sense. AMD platforms have never given me this much trouble so I look forward to them being on top again as soon as possible. :)

[akaBruno]

Good one Thasp.

I thought the flame wars were over, long ago. So many people have flip flopped over the years. Who cares, anymore? That 1st Athlon that hit 1G made a name for AMD, and won over a lot of hearts, longing for an underdog. Then came the P4 and people flipped over it. Then the A64 brought more to AMD...

Now it's CONROE, the undisputable lightweight champion of the world. If I had the money, I'd build one for sure.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

sigh , you know I have been following alot of the AMD threads lately and it seems all you are doing is tooting your own horn. I dont post much but I couldnt hold back this time. This IS an AMD section. Yes we all know that Conroe is faster than AMD but most of it is number crunching. A decently overclocked AMD rig plays any and every game out there just fine. So what if you are pulling 11 sec Superpi , most of us dont run Superpi each day. To each his own. It seems to me that YOU have something to reassure yourself. We are not misguiding anyone here but has it occured to you that we might , just might , prefer AMD ?? Not to mention the price/performance ratio for AMD is simply AMAZING right now ?? Yes you can get a conroe and overclock it to god knows what speeds but how much would you be paying for the motherboard ?? A lot more than an equivalently equipped decent clocking mobo for AMD .
Then comes the argument that you simply ARE comparing this generation's cpu against AMD's last generation CPU. Surprisingly you are coming off just as bad a fanboi as you so allegedly call others. You have Conroe , great , go jump around with the other Intel users in the Intel section and stop flaming the AMD forums unless you have something substantial to contribute. :slap:

Yeah and I'd like to see BRENTS SM2.0 & 3.0 scores in 3D MARK '06 ;)

Lets see the WAAAAAAAAY higher scores in the 3D department.

For graphix there is no difference virtually. An overclocked AMD will churn out the same if not higher 3D scores with the same graphix card at comparable clocks. :D

[rozzyroz]

that's pretty easy, supreme commander loves massive bandwith and pure cpu power, power as in HIGH mhz, the core2duo may be faster, it isn't at stock vs a stock FX74 lol ;)
yet, you clock them both at same levels and it tied up again .
ingame teh 6700 and 8800GTX gets beaten when playing 81x81 maps lol

i think it has more to do with 2 cores vs 4 imho.

[Clairvoyant129]

i hope you weren't reffering to me when you said fanboi :slapass: i just don't see conroe being super duper fast other than in pi. and i don't think 25% is accurate. i'm thinkin' more like 10-15%


I usually don't like to argue with fanbois but I do like to debunk their claims.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2523/c2dvk8clockforclockzf6.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4339/c2dvk8clockforclockgrapwh1.jpg

Credit goes to JumpingJack of Tomshardware.

Anyway, back to the TC's question. It all depends on your budget and if you're on a tight budget, the obvious choice would be the X2s. If you can spend more, C2D would be the most logical choice.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Oh yeah, I find it VERY interesting that you are CHERRYPICKING a benchmark that is going to be GPU bound for a comparison. :fact:

What's wrong, afraid that on the entire SUITE of benchmarks I'm going to WIPE THE FLOOR with you? :p:


EDIT - These comparisons have already been run:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34518

As with any GPU bound benchmark they are virutally IDENTICAL (as expected). So this is really just you putting up smoke and mirrors hoping that no one will notice that what you benchmark is actually the GPU and you can claim a K8 is as fast as a C2D. :slap: :nono:

No you miss my point. A C2D HAS to be overclocked substantially in order to obtain the same 3D SCORES as a similarly clocked AMD64 X2. When people talk of 3D performance, although the C2D can outperform AMD64 in SuperPi it doesn't trancend to greater 3D performance. This was all I was refering to. I know the tests have already been run, hence I said what I did, cos most people know this already.

[lapdog]

With the release of the 6000+ one thing is made clear: the E6600 has a competitor at stock clocks. The 2.4GHz CD2 is matched by a 3GHz X2. That's better than 25% advantage per clock. :fact:

If you add in overclock ability, power consumption and price the 6000+ is a big looser. :slapass:

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

With the release of the 6000+ one thing is made clear: the E6600 has a competitor at stock clocks. The 2.4GHz CD2 is matched by a 3GHz X2. That's better than 25% advantage per clock. :fact:

If you add in overclock ability, power consumption and price the 6000+ is a big looser. :slapass:

True. Shame they charge so much for the 6000+ :(

Providing the user is capable of decent OC'ing the C2D like you say will still outperform the 6000+ and at the price you get it for you can't complain.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

BULL$%^&.

Look at the CLOCK for CLOCK comparison in the post above you. 3D benches are STILL much faster than in X2.

This is PURE FUD.

Sure thing BRENTY ;)

Closest clocked C2D to my 2806mhz X2 run on the ORB

E6600 @ 2880mhz

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1362437

and my X2 4400 @ 2806mhz

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1031231

just for a quick example

[an0nym0us]

is cd2 faster than k8, yes by how much, not much. lol.
quit lying to yourself, the benchmarks speak for themselves.

[Clairvoyant129]

Sure thing BRENTY ;)

Closest clocked C2D to my 2806mhz X2 run on the ORB

E6600 @ 2880mhz

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1362437

and my X2 4400 @ 2806mhz

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1031231

just for a quick example


No if you look at the clock speed of the 8800GTS, yours is higher. No wonder why you got a higher score.:slap:

And for 3DMark, thousands of other factors affect the final score but as you can see, the C2D CPU score is higher than yours. Try running PCMark instead of 3DMark06.

[Clairvoyant129]

Thanks for making my POINT for me:
C2D CPU - 2525
A64 CPU - 2142


:slapass:



Exactly.

And besides, my old X2 4600+ @ 2.4GHz could not get a higher 3DMark06 score compared to my E6600. With my E6600 on stock, I can easily break 10K on 3DMark06 paired with a 8800GTX but with my X2 4600+, I can't even get near 10k.

Until Barcelona, it's obvious C2D reigns supreme, I don't understand where all this blind fanboyism comes from.

[arisythila]

Thanks for making my POINT for me:
C2D CPU - 2525
A64 CPU - 2142


:slapass:

I think he was talking about performance of graphics. the X2 scored overall higher score than the C2D.

~Mike

[Clairvoyant129]

I think he was talking about performance of graphics. the X2 scored overall higher score than the C2D.

~Mike

Because the system with the X2 had a 8800GTS which was clocked higher.:nono:

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Thanks for making my POINT for me:
C2D CPU - 2525
A64 CPU - 2142


:slapass:

My god your dumb......you know fine well I wasn't talking about CPU scores einstein.


No if you look at the clock speed of the 8800GTS, yours is higher. No wonder why you got a higher score.:slap:

It's the closest clocked C2D to my X2 4400 run that there is on the ORB. I'd have to have linked a C2D with lower clocks which wouldn't have made much sense.


And for 3DMark, thousands of other factors affect the final score but as you can see, the C2D CPU score is higher than yours. Try running PCMark instead of 3DMark06.

Yes but if you read my post i said SM2.0 and 3.0 scores... not cpu scores....hello?


:owned:

Someone got caught CHEATING and trying to tell us it was an HONEST comparison. :nono: :slapass:

Lay off the green pal....got caught CHEATING?????? Are you on drugs????

WTH has cheating to do with any of this? PMSL


Exactly.

And besides, my old X2 4600+ @ 2.4GHz could not get a higher 3DMark06 score compared to my E6600. With my E6600 on stock, I can easily break 10K on 3DMark06 paired with a 8800GTX but with my X2 4600+, I can't even get near 10k.

You can't even get near 10K with an X2 4600+ and an 8800GTX!!!!!!!

You either haven't OC'd your CPU and/or card or your hopeless at it, simple as that.

Jeez look at my 06 link.....I run that on AIR @ 2806mhz and a GTS for crying out loud and it put out 9700. I'd go look again at my benching technique if you genuinely can't break 10K.

THIS ALSO

Clairvoyant129's compared to mine

[i found nemo]

i hope ur not calling me a fan boi cuz i'm not, not even biased a little. but tomshardware is and they are known not to be very thourough ... not trying to debunk ur attempt to debunk me just that not all of those tests are correct. also ram info too, was it the same ram? same timings? where's details? you can put up all these pictures of graphs but forget to put the info of the ram right here on xs, or even a link??? k' have a nice day.

[lawrywild]

Why is everyone sh1tting their pants?

1. Core 2 Duo is faster than K8 clock for clock in 95% of apps/games. If you want to claim differently I suggest you go here: http://www.planetamd64.com/

2. Core 2 Duo's overclock more in general, so when this is taken into account core 2 looks a lot better.

3. Core 2 has no pins.. you can call this a minor thing but I for one had a dodgy X2 IHS which I was too scared to lap because of the pins so never had optimum temps. Core 2 = no pins so is easy to lap safely...

HOWEVER,

I did like my X2 and if I wasn't an overclocker, I would've preferred to stick with my X2 just because I loved my ultra-D and was such an awesome motherboard and my X2 rig was solid as a rock.

[Supertim0r]

Pall- that's the BEST you got? Can't give us any CPU benches so you stoop to a personal attack?

How disappointing.

Yep, Troman/Pallmall style...

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Pall- that's the BEST you got? Can't give us any CPU benches so you stoop to a personal attack?

How disappointing.

Look here you go again....personal attack this....personal attack that.

You ARE a dramaqueen ain't ya? :p:

Your the one shouting about CPU tests when all ANYONE posted was that 3D SCORES can be higher on similarly clocked AMD systems. You need to wade in with your rants about WIPING THE FLOOR and whatever else in CPU TESTS.

Like I keep saying....we all know C2D's CAN perform better in 80% of CPU orientated benchmarks. No-one here has claimed any different. Your shouting down people that are all agreeing with you but disagree on the "C2D ALWAYS MEANS BETTER IN EVERY SCENARIO EVER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR EVER" view you seem to like to project.

At the end of the day C2D SHOULD PWN ANY A64 by a considerable margin in EVERY SINGLE CONCEIVABLE BENCHMARK KNOWN TO MAN, since it's 3yrs newer and has such a performance advantage.....yet they don't :D

[i found nemo]

you really should re-consider how you talk to some ppl ....

[Clairvoyant129]

i hope ur not calling me a fan boi cuz i'm not, not even biased a little. but tomshardware is and they are known not to be very thourough ... not trying to debunk ur attempt to debunk me just that not all of those tests are correct. also ram info too, was it the same ram? same timings? where's details? you can put up all these pictures of graphs but forget to put the info of the ram right here on xs, or even a link??? k' have a nice day.



Are you blind?? It says that the source is from ANANDTECH. Try learning how to read before touching PCs please.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Pall- that's the BEST you got? Can't give us any CPU benches so you stoop to a personal attack?

How disappointing.

Look here you go again....personal attack this....personal attack that.

You ARE a dramaqueen ain't ya? :p:

Your the one shouting about CPU tests when all ANYONE posted was that 3D SCORES can be higher on similarly clocked systems. You need to wade in with your rants about WIPING THE FLOOR and whatever else in CPU TESTS.

Like I keep saying....we all know C2D's CAN perform better in 80% of CPU orientated benchmarks. No-one here has claimed any different. Your shouting down people that are all agreeing with you but disagree on the "C2D ALWAYS MEANS BETTER IN EVERY SCENARIO EVER IN THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR EVER" view you seem to like to project.

At the end of the day C2D SHOULD PWN ANY A64 by a considerably margin in EVERY SINGLE CONCIEVABLE BENCHMARK KNOWN TO MAN, since it's 3yrs newer and has such a performance advantage.....yet they don't :D

Now that's what I call :owned: :p:

[i found nemo]

Are you blind?? It says that the source is from ANANDTECH. Try learning how to read before touching PCs please.

Credit goes to JumpingJack of Tomshardware.
:slapass:

page 2 last post.

[Clairvoyant129]

My god your dumb......you know fine well I wasn't talking about CPU scores einstein.



It's the closest clocked C2D to my X2 4400 run that there is on the ORB. I'd have to have linked a C2D with lower clocks which wouldn't have made much sense.



Yes but if you read my post i said SM2.0 and 3.0 scores... not cpu scores....hello?



Lay off the green pal....got caught CHEATING?????? Are you on drugs????

WTH has cheating to do with any of this? PMSL



You can't even get near 10K with an X2 4600+ and an 8800GTX!!!!!!!

You either haven't OC'd your CPU and/or card or your hopeless at it, simple as that.

Jeez look at my 06 link.....I run that on AIR @ 2806mhz and a GTS for crying out loud and it put out 9700. I'd go look again at my benching technique if you genuinely can't break 10K.

THIS ALSO

Clairvoyant129's compared to mine


You seem to forget, 3DMark06 tests mostly GPU power, not CPU. Final score depends heavily on the GPU not CPU. Your 8800GTS was clocked higher than the comparision C2D system, no wonder why you got a higher score. My god, you registered to Xtremesystems without knowing that?

Still, even though your 8800GTS was clocked higher, the C2D system scored higher than you in the CPU section.

And no, you have a overclocked 8800GTS, I was talking about stock settings on CPU + GPU.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1019906

Oh, whats this? A X2 @ 2.4GHz with a stock 8800GTX scoring 8k.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1233146

Oh another one.

I scored a 12k with a very light overclock on my 8800GTX, heavily overclocked, I can easily break 13k.

[Clairvoyant129]

Credit goes to JumpingJack of Tomshardware.
:slapass:

page 2 last post.


http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2523/c2dvk8clockforclockzf6.jpg


Do you actually believe JumpingJack pulled these numbers out of his ass? Look at the source. Do you see it? Anandtech.

Are you next going to tell me Anandtech is an Intel paid pumper?

[Jupiler]

Enough crapping and insulting here.
You know the rules and what happens if you brake them (and I'm not talking about simple warnings handed out ;) ).

Let's keep those AMD vs Intel wars out of this, same for the constant name calling.

Perc has been out of the loop for about 1 year (as he stated in his initial post) and he only asked for some advise.
So you give that, or you stay out of this topic, simple.
Be helpfull to others.

[Clairvoyant129]

Enough crapping and insulting here.
You know the rules and what happens if you brake them (and I'm not talking about simple warnings handed out ).

Let's keep those AMD vs Intel wars out of this, same for the constant name calling.

Perc has been out of the loop for about 1 year (as he stated in his initial post) and he only asked for some advise.
So you give that, or you stay out of this topic, simple.
Be helpfull to others.


Im pretty ashamed of myself.

[i found nemo]

Are you blind?? It says that the source is from ANANDTECH. Try learning how to read before touching PCs please.

then why you say toms? make ur mind up :fact:

[Clairvoyant129]

then why you say toms? make ur mind up :fact:


... Because JumpingJack is the one who compiled the chart and I'm giving him credit.

[i found nemo]

then why you talkin' about toms? and the other thing about 12k hence that post is deleted, look don't get so defensive cuz intel finally caught up to last gen cpu good job. all i said was that in my opinion, not his not hers, but my opinion it's not that much faster, and is more cost effective when considering that it's expandable into next gen cpus ... not trying to flame really i'm not, so i appologize to anyone who took offence.

[Clairvoyant129]

then why you talkin' about toms? and the other thing about 12k hence that post is deleted, look don't get so defensive cuz intel finally caught up to last gen cpu good job. all i said was that in my opinion, not his not hers, but my opinion it's not that much faster, and is more cost effective when considering that it's expandable into next gen cpus ... not trying to flame really i'm not, so i appologize to anyone who took offence.


Because JumpingJack is from Tomshardware and his source was Anandtech. Is that concept to hard to understand? Jeez, this is my last post on this issue.

[i found nemo]

what about the rest of my post?

[sbin]

Have 3 AMD systems at home.After building and running a E6600 system i decided to replace another AMD with a E6400.
My first build was a 386DX and cost about $3000, since the Athlon AMD had been the first choice now Intel is.Can't wait for AMD's new cpu/video platform!

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

You seem to forget, 3DMark06 tests mostly GPU power, not CPU. Final score depends heavily on the GPU not CPU. Your 8800GTS was clocked higher than the comparision C2D system, no wonder why you got a higher score. My god, you registered to Xtremesystems without knowing that?

This is where BRENT would say something like..."Stop attacking me pls...there was no need for the personal insult at the end." However I'd rather lean toward the belief you merely wrote it in a "semi-annoyed poster retaliating without fully appreciating the point MOFO was trying to make and can myself fully appreciate that he expected intelligent people to utilise a little brain-power and gauge the differences the clocks would've had considering he done his best in a quick attempt to find a comparitively matched SYSTEM & CARD from whats available" view. :) So I won't hold it against you :)


Still, even though your 8800GTS was clocked higher, the C2D system scored higher than you in the CPU section.


And no, you have a overclocked 8800GTS, I was talking about stock settings on CPU + GPU.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1019906

Oh, whats this? A X2 @ 2.4GHz with a stock 8800GTX scoring 8k.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1233146

Oh another one.

I scored a 12k with a very light overclock on my 8800GTX, heavily overclocked, I can easily break 13k.

I could root out some VERY POOR C2D 3D MARK OVERALL SCORES aswell mate...means nothing. Lets see your 13k A64 & GTX compare? I'd much rather view that.

[lawrywild]

As stated already, core2duo is indeed faster. But you would be surprised how well that old K8 tech does in a cpu hungry game as supreme commander, and let me remind you it's a 2007 game.:)

But discussing something that is fact, is not worth it eh?:p:

But where are your benchmarks? You call what you say FACT but atm you haven't given any evidence and you're just dawdling.

[lawrywild]

I don't need to give evidence that core2duo is faster, it is a fact eh? read between the lines more carefully, ;)

i was pointing out that you don't have to repeat a fact every single time, we already know that c2d is the fastest thing on earth "retail"

I was not talking about the FX74 setup dat beated his equivalent in supcom ;)

What are you chatting about? :confused:

I was talking about Supreme Commander.. read the lines more carefully

[Sparky]

honestly people....

Do we REALLY NEED AN INTEL THREAD in the AMD SECTION???? :stick:

Not only that, but arguing over basically the same stuff that has been argued a million times already :horse:

Please guys, can't we keep AMD in the AMD section, and intel in the intel section? If you really want to beat the dead horse over and over, why don't you take it to general hardware?

Please... :rolleyes:

[Kurz]

Its only better in Super Command since the game takes advantage of the extra 2 cores. But it is cheaper in terms of Price ratio However we arent talking about Price ratio.

[Xope_Poquar]

Lets see your 13k A64 & GTX compare? I'd much rather view that.

Oh, oh, I found a "slightly over 13k" score with a Core 2 Quad and a single 8800GTX.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1162196

:)

[stone_cold_Jimi]

I have an E6700 / Bad Axe / Vapo LS rig and a s939 x2 4600 / DFI Expert / Zalman A/C rig. Having run the 4600 rig under phase previously (3 GHz), it's now at 2.7 GHz; the E6700 is at 3.6 GHz. Yep, the Intel rig is quicker. But the biggest performance difference I notice is that the Intel has the WD Raptor system disk that the 4600 used to have and the 4600 now has an old Maxtor IDE system disk. Sure, the benches show the Intel well ahead, but in daily use, it's not a quantum leap away from the previous chip under the Vapo.

Gotta say the AMD was a lot more fun to overclock, but that comes down to mobos and chipsets.

[Turtle 1]

How in the hell did I get Banned . This is BS. whats this thread doing in AMD section. I don't get it . I got banned for no good reason . I couple of members are constantly name calling and rude to other members daily . I dare not speak there nname or I get banned again.

This is the Facts . IF c2d isn't that much faster than X2 . And you can't feel the differance. Than X2 was just barely faster P4D . You would never feel a differance between the an X2 and a P4D. IS this not so . That would make the best buy P4D

[Jupiler]

Topic moved to the Intel section.

[nicepun]

Perc,

So after all this stuff, what are you getting?

[sbin]

Probably a headache:D

[Blacklash]

Yeah there's no difference:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5318/rolcj7.png

That's a 1600x bench as well :cool:

When AMD gets a 300usd chip that is clock for clock faster than C2D and does 3.6-3.9 on air someone let me know. I'll switch back.

[[XC] 4X4N]

I will try and get this back to what the op asked for. :rolleyes: Just my 2 cents here. As you can see by my sig I'm a d/c guy. I currenty have 5 amd's and 2 c2d's. Clock for clock there is no doubt, conroe is faster, but it depends on what you are doing. Some apps they are pretty even, on others the conroe is up to twice as fast. For example: on WCG, I have a 170 opty @ 2.9ghz. It gets about 5200 points a day. I have a e6300 @ 3.0 ghz and it get about 5800 a day. But the same two cpus on a math project like Riesel LLR, the opty takes almost 8 hours for a wu, where the e6300 can do it in less than 4 hours. So, for me, I think the conroe is the way to go, but you can build a very good amd rig for a little cheaper.

[revenant]

I know from personal trials that my c2d system clock for clock can crunch a divx movie out in about 1/2 of the time it takes the opty 170 machine.. that's clock for clock at 2.8ghz.. so these conroes are fast chips.. no doubt about it.. they OC real nice like also.. :)

[crspyjohn]

Conroe are the fastest chips for the consumer as of this moment. Nothing from AMD is faster then a INTEL Conroe as of this moment. The decision is up to you if you notice the speed difference or not but the Conroe is faster no doubt about it.

Personally I would go for the E6300 which can be had for $120ish craigslist.

[mele]

I own both.. but then again, I can. I'm also not 100% happy with my Conroe. I am with my AMD's tho, I can run 100% load with my AMD's without my mouse glitching all over the place. I cant do that with my Intel rig.

Also, I don't suggest anybody buy anything from ANY company until summer time. It wouldn't be a smart idea.


You must have other problems then.

I can run two instances of Folding@Home and play BF2 without any lag or glitching.

Mel

[StealthyFish]

No you miss my point. A C2D HAS to be overclocked substantially in order to obtain the same 3D SCORES as a similarly clocked AMD64 X2. When people talk of 3D performance, although the C2D can outperform AMD64 in SuperPi it doesn't trancend to greater 3D performance. This was all I was refering to. I know the tests have already been run, hence I said what I did, cos most people know this already.

And what is the probability that you will get a Conroe to 3.2 Ghz? Pretty much almost every single chip can do that with a decent motherboard that will allow vCore modding. Must we do this again? Conroe has already been shown to perform better in gaming applications as well as number crunching. Don't pull out the sciencemarks or the bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: about how after you get past a certain number of FPS, you don't feel anything anymore. I'd take an E6300 over an X2 6000 any day. Don't make me pull out my list of links and sources which have tested Conroes against X2s. I thought we were done with that.

Call me a fanboi, sure. But you have to realize that 3.0ghz is pushing it for the K8 architecture. We saw that even a move to 65nm, it didn't result in better clocks. K8 didn't improve overclocks like the prescotts and smithfields when 65nm came in and made them cedarmills and presslers. Good luck trying to get that 6000 much higher than what it's already at.

It is true that the 6000 is faster than an E6300 at stock. But lest we forget, an X2 6000+ is 439 dollars on newegg. How much is an E6400? E6600? 221 dollars and 313 dollars respectively. And with a pretty much guaranteed overclock of 3.2 ghz, I still believe the conroe is a better deal than the 6000+.

To address anyone's "bad experience" with intel RMA. I've never had a bad experience with intel. My chips have come in perfectly fine. A P4 1.8Ghz Willamette, a PD805, a P4 630. That one chip which is blemished and can not function is pretty rare to come across, considering the amount of chips Intel produces which work fine. Your generalization that Intel is a bad company due to their "poor RMA service" and providing you a defective product has very little probability in occuring with the op if he were to go conroe. I've yet to hear of a guy on this forum have to RMA a Conroe (as in DOA, not through some overclocking project :p: ).

[crazyea]

I know from personal trials that my c2d system clock for clock can crunch a divx movie out in about 1/2 of the time it takes the opty 170 machine.. that's clock for clock at 2.8ghz.. so these conroes are fast chips.. no doubt about it.. they OC real nice like also.. :)

I noticed this as well going from my 3800+ venice to my e6600.

[fhpchris]

Yeah there's no difference:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5318/rolcj7.png

That's a 1600x bench as well :cool:

When AMD gets a 300usd chip that is clock for clock faster than C2D and does 3.6-3.9 on air someone let me know. I'll switch back.

Same, I miss some AMD things, but not many...

I can only say a 3.9ghz Core 2 Quad isnt slow ;)

[rozzyroz]

im pretty sure the fx74 is $519 per cpu, so thats $1038 for the setup that was mentioned before. you can grab a q6700 or q6600 and beat the performance of that for a lesser price. as an extreme example in gaming: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/425/12/
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/425/fear_2.gif

for the original poster, intel core 2 duo is the fastest arch. out right now. if you find someone stating other wise, then there is a fallacy in their statement. as stated earlier, the fx74 was faster then the e6700. of course it is, its a 4 core setup vs a 2 core set up ran on a program that takes advantage of multi cores.

intel has the advantage right now, but in about 3 or 4 months amd is supposed to release their server chips based on the k10. its safe to assume that k10 will be better then core2.

please dont take my word for it, you never know how reliable a forum poster will be. your best bet is to look up benchmarks on programs you use, in reviews. find 3 or 4 good review sites and make a judgement call.

[Kingcarcas]

Yes it really is all that....

[luihed]

Came from Opty @ 2800 to E6600 @ 3800mhz and the difference in speed is HUGE!!!! Superpi from 30s down to 12, big boost in 3dmark too but I upgraded my card as well, couldnt be happier......

Real world comparison though, I cant tell the difference between the two for my daily use.... Porn are downloaded just as fast, surfing the web is just as fast and if Im wrong then it just proves how much I can "feel" the difference.....

If starting from scratch, Intel is the obvious choice..... but I dont think its worth the upgrade unless you just want to play with these cpus like me...

[andyisc00l]

It really is faster.I built my friend a PC with an Intel Conroe Xeon 3040 hitting 3.65ghz, 2gb G.Skill, 8800gts...I don't know who AMD is kidding.I've got an opteron running at 2.8ghz and I thought that was quick. Conroe is probably around 60% faster, maybe more. It all depends on what your doing of course.

oh and the super pi was really fast!! So many millions of digits of pi were being calculated we celebrated and bought a turkey.

Also is anyone else embarassed for SOLDNER-MOFO64? lol I'm an AMD fanboy but he sounds nuts.

[ahmad]

I have a raptor and I can say that applications fly when I launch them. Most of my day to day use programs (web browsers etc) load the second I click on them. And I am only running at 3GHz. Coming from an Opteron 170 at 2.7ghz.

I do not know who in their right mind would buy an AMD dual core at this stage. I use AMD for "value" builds now since a decent AM2 combo is light on the pocket.

I will probably wait out the quad core jump and get a 6/8 core when they appear. Hopefully Intel doesnt go around changing sockets again.

[nissangtr]

ive been out of the loop for about a year maybe more ive been waiting on chilly1 and gang to get my phasechange back up and runnig so i havent been overclocking or even using whats left of my pc. just want some input before i start this next build problem is ive let my self self go to long everythings changed...

now from what ive been reading these past few months amd is not the best choice anymore? i think think this sucks and realy would like to pick up with where i left off using the amd dual cores.now this x2 3600 / x2 4000 look awsome and the price omg!! these dont compare to intel atlest price wise? not trying to start an amd vrs intel here. infact this is my first day at the site doing some serios reading about the new rig. and plan on reading everything and all i can find on the subject just to get cought up. so im off to read and sory for the hyjack.. thr switch from amd to the conroe is it even worth it? sorry to sound so stupid i realy plan on hitting the web pages and every page in this site that will help...

thx perc

The Core 2 Duo decimates all. The overclocking is phenomenal, so go with the cheapest chipset; E6300 or E6400 if you have good overclocking RAM or an E4300 if you have less than high quality memory. You can expect 3.2-3.4 ghz easy on air for about $163-$220. AMD's K8 is good, but it can't touch the C2D.

[Zeus]

Hi Perc,

Long time no see mate.
I´ve always owned AMD myself, my last was an Opteron 146 @ 10x300 for 24/7 use which was pretty nice but after a while we all want to upgrade, don't we? :D

So, tbh, there was absolutely nothing from AMD that came close to these Conroes so i bit the bullit and have to say i don't regret it.

For example, with my Opty my best SupePi 1M was 24.906 sec, with his E6600 setup 12.547 sec is the best i could do so far.

That's almost twice as fast!

If you're about to get something new, get a Conroe mate, you'll like it.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Also is anyone else embarassed for SOLDNER-MOFO64? lol I'm an AMD fanboy but he sounds nuts.

Why am I nuts, 'cos I say camparitivly clocked both systems would score the same 3D scores regardless of the C2D's performance advantage? That's nuts, we all can see its true.

Show me where I said a C2D wasn't faster than an A64???

Some of you guys just blert out dumb comments :slap:

[Perc]

guys sorry for my non response to this topic i had a family member almost buy yhr farm :( but i see you guys have left me with quit alot stuff to read! i will get reading infact i can wait. now one thing i would like to know is how does this new chip do on ice? reggies been promising me my phasechance unit back for 1 and 3 months so i hope to get this system running on ice this time around.

thx guys... perc

[Viss]

Good to see you back around. Youll gonna like these chips with your unit. Make sure you either get a board that does high FSB (965 chipset) or a cpu with unlocked multi. A 975 board wil most likely hold you back while using a 9 multi chip on phase for example.

[StealthyFish]

LOL. I just happen to be able to spend 10,000 if I want... I did VERY good this last year. :-)

Also, I don't hate Intel, I just don't agree with what they did to me. Which is why i'm in a lawsuit with them. When the K5's were out and stuff, I had one, not because it was faster than Intel or whatever, but because of what Intel did to me and the fact it was cheaper(I was poor back then).

It would be like, If you want to a restaurant and you ordered up a 16 Oz New York Steak, you get it and it for instance has a big fag loogy in it. you can defiantly tell, because you can see the nice green mucussy texture. So the waiter, you say, Someone spit in my food, and the waiter says, "So... who cares."

Thats what Intel did to some of us small computer shop people. They hauked a loogy in out 16 Oz Steak, They didn't even say whoops or sorry. Once I get my 1.5 million from them, Ill be less biased. Everything will be flowers, raindrops and sugarcane fields.

~Mike


If I was as much a complainer as you then I would have sued Sapphire twice, lmfao.

[Dax5]

hahahaha.... fanboys... :-) Don't let them intel fanboys persuade you to go to the dark side.

why not? intel is obviously the "king of the hill" as i speak, so why settle for amd?

[safan80]

why not? intel is obviously the "king of the hill" as i speak, so why settle for amd?

My thoughts exactly! Those that keep talking crap about Conroe just can't handle true power! ;)

[Donnie27]

My thoughts exactly! Those that keep talking crap about Conroe just can't handle true power! ;)

Or just stuck thinking with their hearts and not their Brains;)

Perc, get a C2D and be done with it.

[largon]

camparitivly clocked both systems would score the same 3D scores regardless of the C2D's performance advantage?No amount of CPU power will make any difference whatsoever for 3DMark 3d scores when GPU is the bottleneck.
:fact:

[Perc]

Perc,

So after all this stuff, what are you getting?

seems to me that UNLESS this new intel is justa bat out of hell!! im going amd2 for now. lol a little phasechance action and a lucky chip AND with the new dual cored motherbored who knows might be fun :)... but the jury is still out im afraid.

peace perc

[gundamit]

See what you started. :rolleyes: Give these guys half an excuse and away they go. :D

Welcome back and good luck with whatever you decide to go with. As for me ... all I can say is that the Conroe is as much fun as any CPU series I've played with. Hoping the next AMD is as much fun. :D

[Leeghoofd]

Yep we are all spoiled with tremendous performance and overclocking pleasure. When I read the new AMD x2 6000 I was surprised AMD did some good work as it performance is about on par with E6600 speeds. Okay once you start overclocking the gap increases in favour for Intel as AMD reaches it's Mhz limit. Final result, price cuts for AMD on the 9th and Intel around the 22nd of April. So we can have even more powaaa for the same money....


Lucky us .... where are the days 4mb ram costed even more than a mid budget GFX card :)

[Perc]

See what you started. :rolleyes: Give these guys half an excuse and away they go. :D

Welcome back and good luck with whatever you decide to go with. As for me ... all I can say is that the Conroe is as much fun as any CPU series I've played with. Hoping the next AMD is as much fun. :D

thx man :cheers: LOL well you knowing me from the years of posting and im never been the one to start an amd/Intel debate infact i usaly always had both at the same :) . ill be honest this time its going to be a hard choice for me and i will have to read every thing i can get my hands on OR just build a small e6300 rat racer and torture it and see how i like the pros and cons seeings any unit i built will be on phase. i know ill get some sick clocks and all that out of it. anyways thx for the replys guys they have already got the wheel spinning in my head...


peace perc,

[tormentor22]

c2d seems to be a good one, but if u r intending to buy it would be better if u can w8 till h2 of this year since rumors that prices would go down, 6700 in price of 6600, C2Q is price of 6700! but be carefull with intel motherboards (dont ever think to buy 965 seriese exept if it was P965, coz G,GM,... are all crap)