Chip-Con Mach II @ home

[petervandamned]

Pictures

Finaly it has arived at the store
i had to take some pics to show you guys :)

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/p1010001.JPG

no front diplay anymore

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010003.JPG

new cpu kit and the lcd

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010006.JPG

nice looks of the vaporator and better hose this time

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010009.JPG

still R134a :(

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010010.JPG

more lenght of the hose

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010012.JPG

better looking and working elek unit

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010017.JPG

new rear with dig leds

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010019.JPG

hit the switch :)

:banana:SILENT!!!!!!!:banana:

http://www.pvdch.cistron.nl/prom/1/P1010022.JPG

non hardware not that much more to the first prom

i come back in a few days with some hardware results and pictures

[full loaded]

well I believe it will show his power agains te first prometeia ownly @ full power, and that is what we need issn't it:D
what is the price btw off the new prometeia MachII?:stick:

[bowman1964]

man that is a nice unit.:D
i like the LCD display.

one thing ,makes me wonder if they stuck r404a inside of her or not.i know the compressor says 134a but it would take a serious amount of vacuum to pull the evap down to -56c even not under load with r134a.
the compressor would work fine with r404a,and it would be with in the psi specs of the unit.

i would like to have it on my test bench to tear appart to have a look at her insides....:D

[petervandamned]

Originally posted by bowman1964
man that is a nice unit.:D
i like the LCD display.

one thing ,makes me wonder if they stuck r404a inside of her or not.i know the compressor says 134a but it would take a serious amount of vacuum to pull the evap down to -56c even not under load with r134a.
the compressor would work fine with r404a,and it would be with in the psi specs of the unit.

i would like to have it on my test bench to tear appart to have a look at her insides....:D

no problem m8 just visit my home in my country and we have a look into this thing ;)

but i let u know if there is 404 in the m2

[bowman1964]

not sure if we would get much work done..if i did come over to your country ,me and you would be partying alot....o yea...let me get my hands on the prommy when i am loaded.....it wouldnt be nice......

[Method Man]

petervandamned is this new unit worth the money? I getting a Mach I this month but might save up to get the mach II if its worth it. So far it looks pretty much the same to me and not worth the doubble price :eek:

[full loaded]

peter, what kind of differents doe you see on the compressor hisself, he looks higher than the old prom, am I right?
and I think there is just R134a in it, old proms did -52 no load, zo -56 is just a poor increase, so a little finetuning and you have it.

[isp]

Looks like a nice unit...I really like the LCD...but is it worth the money? I think that's yet to be seen...

[CodeRed]

Peter,

From the pics it looks like the controller and evap were the main changes from the standard prom. Can you tell us if anything else of significance has changed. eg

Condensor: looks the same size
Fans: What type on the new one?
Capilliary tube: Has this changed much?
Evaporator: Contact area looks bigger, I guess you cant tell much from the outside.
Thermal Bus: Is it more flexible?

I wouldnt be suprised to find that it runs R404a on the insides. Are there any safety stickers on the back which indicate the gas type and mass.

[Holst]

Unloaded isnt a very good test anyway.

If this evep can cope with a higher heat load then we will see lower loaded temps and thats what counts.

That LCD is a nice touch :D

Im looking forward to hearing your results.

[petervandamned]

Originally posted by CodeRed
Peter,

From the pics it looks like the controller and evap were the main changes from the standard prom. Can you tell us if anything else of significance has changed. eg

Condensor: looks the same size
Fans: What type on the new one? papst now
Capilliary tube: Has this changed much?longer
Evaporator: Contact area looks bigger, I guess you cant tell much from the outside.seems the headpad in the evaporator is doing a better job
Thermal Bus: Is it more flexible?YES :toast:

I wouldnt be suprised to find that it runs R404a on the insides. Are there any safety stickers on the back which indicate the gas type and mass. :toast:

i think is only the sticker what shows 134

but my old prom1 is being taking care of by a specialist
let me show you guys this
-52 is the max on the old prom in the display
but look at the -61,4 on the temp meter :banana:

http://www.fvsteenb.speedlinq.nl/pro3.jpg

maybe in time we can to this 2 to Mach II also :)

i will be back with results on the eopx 4pca3+
did a amazing 295 FSB on the old normal prom on standard vcore

hoping (based on other projects results) that in stressed he wil do much better

peter-out

[full loaded]

Originally posted by petervandamned
:toast:

i think is only the sticker what shows 134

but my old prom1 is being taking care of by a specialist
let me show you guys this
-52 is the max on the old prom in the display
but look at the -61,4 on the temp meter :banana:

http://www.fvsteenb.speedlinq.nl/pro3.jpg

maybe in time we can to this 2 to Mach II also :)

i will be back with results on the eopx 4pca3+

peter-out

yeah I saw those pics on our dutch forum peter, can't w8 to see what the MachII will do, also I think that prommi doing -62C (other pic on our topic shows that) will not live a long time!

[Merenfreak]

I have the Mach II over a week now and i had the old Prommy for 7 Month. The display says 10°C less under load compared to the old prommy, but the overclocking results are the same. So, no really improovement in MHz is disappointing me.
It has some nice features, but that`s all.

cyas

[full loaded]

Originally posted by Merenfreak
I have the Mach II over a week now and i had the old Prommy for 7 Month. The display says 10°C less under load compared to the old prommy, but the overclocking results are the same. So, no really improovement in MHz is disappointing me.
It has some nice features, but that`s all.

cyas

that 10degrees should give you a little step higher, does it realy not goes a couple of mhz higher??

[Merenfreak]

Nope. I even have to raise up the vcore by 0,025 V @ same speed :(
They could also have replaced the diode to get lower temp readout. All i see so far are just better numbers, but no oc improovements.
I tested 2 cpu`s.
And yes, i modded the on die pressure, too.

cyas

[full loaded]

Originally posted by Merenfreak
Nope. I even have to raise up the vcore by 0,025 V @ same speed :(
They could also have replaced the diode to get lower temp readout. All i see so far are just better numbers, but no oc improovements.
I tested 2 cpu`s.
And yes, i modded the on die pressure, too.

cyas

well if this is treu, chip-con can forget it to get a lot of new buyers, I am glad I had the cheaper prometeia :D

[Ewok]

Originally posted by Merenfreak
Nope. I even have to raise up the vcore by 0,025 V @ same speed :(
They could also have replaced the diode to get lower temp readout. All i see so far are just better numbers, but no oc improovements.
I tested 2 cpu`s.
And yes, i modded the on die pressure, too.

so what you are saying is the mach2 is WORSE than the old once since you had to raise voltage by 0.025 just to get the same speed as the old one? because i find that very hard to believe. something must be wrong there.

you say they could have replaced the diode to get a lower temp readout? hows that? the diode you should be looking at is the cpu temp, if the cpu temp is no better then neither is the mach2.

Peter: you say its silent? is it really really quiet? I know they changed the fans, and i would want it to be VERY quiet before i buy one.

[JCviggen]

The mach II is still R134a, but it has been improved vastly in MANY areas, and the system has been optimized to be several °C better. No shocking boosts, but the unit has gotten a lot better, which is the most important right ?

the very extreme can still charge it with 404 :)

[bowman1964]

yea i have tested myself were i saw no improvement going from -40c to -50c.
i think you have to push it down alot harder to about -80c or so before you get the next overclock jump.which well be close i believe to LN2 overclocks.
chipcon might have like already said,replaced the thermistor they originally used for a proper J type themocoupler (like i use)which can go to -200. a thermistor like they had been using is not very precise below -20c or so.
so maybe a combination of better tuning and more precise temp reading is most of the upgrade.but i think alot of the extra is for the fancy LCD readout......i do like that though...pretty.:D

[petervandamned]

Originally posted by Ewok
so what you are saying is the mach2 is WORSE than the old once since you had to raise voltage by 0.025 just to get the same speed as the old one? because i find that very hard to believe. something must be wrong there.

you say they could have replaced the diode to get a lower temp readout? hows that? the diode you should be looking at is the cpu temp, if the cpu temp is no better then neither is the mach2.

Peter: you say its silent? is it really really quiet? I know they changed the fans, and i would want it to be VERY quiet before i buy one.

Yes Ewok the papst fans are very silent
this makes less noise the a org intel cooler :)

[petervandamned]

today i did a max of 300 fsb on the prom mach II
did 295 fsb on the prom I so yes is better :D

if u already have a prom stick with this ;)

but for new user is great fun again :)

[petervandamned]

Originally posted by JCviggen
The mach II is still R134a, but it has been improved vastly in MANY areas, and the system has been optimized to be several °C better. No shocking boosts, but the unit has gotten a lot better, which is the most important right ?

the very extreme can still charge it with 404 :)

even better with 507 :)

[CarNabY]

Hi all....
Sorry for my bad inglish ;)

It is the MachII arrived!! I use the Prometeia for some time and of it full I am satisfied. Before to pass the MachII on the mine systemizes I wanted to do some test to see the real differences. I used the same Hardware:
Mb Gigabyte 8INXP
P4 3.06Ghz
DDR A-DATA 3200
Ecc...ec...
http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/Mach%20vs%20Prom.JPG

I saved some screen shoot with old prommy:
http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/test%20mach%202.gif
Max Oc with SuperPI 4011Mhz
Temp min -25 temp max -11

And 3DMark2001 3.06@3900

http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/test%20mach%204.gif
Oc stable with 3dmark video card default :D
Temp min -22 temp max -5

Now...After to have done these test I install the MachII.

Very Very incredible!!!
The temperatures are more high! :eek:
Run a test SuperPI 4011Mhz... loop 8 the sistem crashed!!!!!
Run 3dmark 3900Mhz...to the test nature crash!!!!
Thought about a bad contact :rolleyes:
No....contact is perfetc!!!
http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/contact.JPG

Really I am disappointed :mad:

[CarNabY]

Mmmmm Maibe my MachII has a problem :rolleyes:

These is temp min...non hardware.
Temp in my room 25°...

http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/Display.jpg

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CarNabY
[B]Hi all....
Sorry for my bad inglish ;)

Thought about a bad contact :rolleyes:
No....contact is perfetc!!!
http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/contact.JPG

uhh on the right and under there are little eareas not contacted by the prom, maybe this is always so (I am a AMD user) but I didn't think so.

[full loaded]

Originally posted by petervandamned
even better with 507 :)

uhh I want to life with my prom longer than a few months:toast:

[petervandamned]

Originally posted by CarNabY
Mmmmm Maibe my MachII has a problem :rolleyes:

These is temp min...non hardware.
Temp in my room 25°...

http://space.virgilio.it/tiziano.guglielmi@tin.it/MachII/Display.jpg

hey italia

think/should be a problem

my test results are more lower then the first prom
when stressing with hotcpu and prime it will always stay at -45
with a fsb off 295 and a max vcore on my epox

but after installing this for the second time
now i have a problem think its condensation

will look into this later this week

i am very impressed with the windows interface
running the fans at low noise is very still
butt as a die hard tweaker we don,t use this :)
only at max

problem also now is the max of my epox and my PIV
do the same as on my older prommy

conclusion:

nice updated prometeia
new interface

u need to use the lcd is more fun :)
so next shipping must included on every unit this lcd

chip-con plz make the lcd in blue !!!!!

something like this :)

http://www.modwarehouse.com/shop/images/fullsize/white-blue-240x64.jpg
http://www.modwarehouse.com/shop/images/fullsize/white-bleu2x16.jpg

peter-out

[Dissolved]

well, the newer verison isnt worth the money IMHO. you can buy the first model and a nice mobo+cpu for the price of this newer unit.

i dont think they'll get very far unless they use a better refrigerent. r134 is weak, and cant handle the heatload as good as other newer gases would.

You can make your own, almost 2 units, maybe 3 if you can get the parts cheap for the price of one of these new prommy..

Youd think with all the cash they make off these, theyd be smart enough to spend time to actually make you Really want them. But there more like a Graphics card maker.. 6 months or more later they make a newer product, it has a fancy name, cost more, looks neat, But The performance still sucks.

[Ewok]

the reason they havent used r404 or made a dual cpu version of this yet is exactly that. they want to release a new version every few months to get people to keep buying new ones.

[gismaster]

Originally posted by Ewok
the reason they havent used r404 or made a dual cpu version of this yet is exactly that. they want to release a new version every few months to get people to keep buying new ones.

k but after these facts I don't belive they'll sell so many units as the first model:rolleyes:

[Vatt]

Well, I just bought one, a MachII and it gives me the about the same overclock as the Prometeia 1.

The compressor is the same, the gas is the same, performance is the slighly better.

Overall I'm pretty happy with it. They sure have improved the startup procedure....


Too bad, my LCD doesn't work :mad:

[geof]

hello Peter !
sorry to all for my english.
i have some questions about machII :
have you some condensing problems with ?
if we change r134a for r404 and nothing more will the performances of the unit increase ?

See you soon ;)
:toast:

[petervandamned]

geof

answers in the mail
:D

[petervandamned]

building a new rig for a client

[petervandamned]

front view

[geof]

it's really some great job Peter :slobber:

[Vatt]

As you can see in peter's last picture, the hose is bigger than the case (it extends outside the case).
When you want to put the side-panel on, that panel will touch the hose.

How do I solve that problem? I mean, there should be no pressure on the hose, that's what the manual says....