Supreme Commander Demo Tomorrow (Feb. 6)

[CPLB]

I don't know if this is "news" enough for the News section, but the Supreme Commander Demo will be available tomorrow morning. I'm looking forward to it :)


Publisher THQ has confirmed that it will release the playable demo for Supreme Commander, the highly anticipated PC strategy game from developer Gas Powered Games, tomorrow (Tuesday) morning at 9:30 a.m. PST. The demo will include an early portion of the single-player campaign for the Cybran Nation, one of the game's three playable factions. It will also include a skirmish map named "Finn's Revenge," which can be played on easy, medium, and hard difficulty levels.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/supremecommander/news.html?sid=6165432

[Drunner611]

I don't know if this is "news" enough for the News section, but the Supreme Commander Demo will be available tomorrow morning. I'm looking forward to it :)



http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/supremecommander/news.html?sid=6165432
Was I the only one that participated in the beta?

[mcflurry4321]

I wanted to, but I never got in. This game looks great!

[nn_step]

yay

[Reinvented]

Was I the only one that participated in the beta?

I was in there, along with some friends of mine. There were a lot of people and it's truly come a long long way since October when I started.

It's a very very CPU intensive game. Dual-Core and Quad-Core will really shine with this game.

[[XC] hipno650]

I was in there, along with some friends of mine. There were a lot of people and it's truly come a long long way since October when I started.

It's a very very CPU intensive game. Dual-Core and Quad-Core will really shine with this game.

dang i guess my p4 will be cutting it really close:( :D . looks like it's time to upgrade:D but im really looking forward to this!!!

[[XC] gomeler]

Woohoo!I missed the beta on this but now I'll have a chance to play it. There goes the next 2 years of my life :(

[thecake90]

Lets hope that my Intel GMA X3000 onbaord GPU can handle this game!

[[XC] gomeler]

Overclock those 2 pipes! Maybe you can play at 640 ;)

[revogamer]

cant wait!

[Reinvented]

1. General Info

The Supreme Commander Multiplayer Beta is a beta software release of Supreme Commander and its online matchmaking service. The Multiplayer Beta is a work-in-progress -- users are encouraged to run both applications and submit bug reports via the FilePlanet Bug Submission form (below).

The Multiplayer Beta is provided as-is. Neither GPG nor THQ makes any representations and warranties to you of any kind, express or implied. Additional information is contained in the End-User License Agreement, which is included with the installation of the beta. You must accept the End User License Agreement to take part in the Mutliplayer Beta.

Multiplayer Beta System Requirements (beta-only, not final game spec):

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP (SP2 recommended)

Processor: 1.8 GHz or greater; 3.0 Ghz or greater, dual core, recommended

RAM: 512 MB or greater; 2 GB recommended

Hard Drive: 3 GB available hard disk space

Video: 128 MB video RAM or greater, with Vertex Shader / Pixel Shader 2.0 support and hardware/geometry rendering required; ATI X800 XL or greater, nVidia GeForce 6800 or greater recommended

Audio: Sound card or on-board audio component, speakers or headphones

Internet: 56.6 Kbps Internet connection required; Cable/DSL speeds with 24 Kbps upstream per opponent recommended.


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This is from the Beta. I'm sure the system requirements are the same. I tried running it on my laptop, but it was a no-go. But if your Integrated video is leaps better than mine, i'm sure it'll run.

[Magnj]

I was Bizzle in the BETA...I intend to keep the same in the demo and retail

[ocmyface]

yeah i had beta, they extended it a few more days too

[G.Foyle]

Wow... I upgraded amonth ago and now I hardly meet the recommended requirements...

[Jodiuh]

Last RTS I played was C&C Red Alert. I hear CoH rocks, but damn WWII for sticking around so long. This be future combat and it looks pretty...

[LuckyNV]

only 1 MP map, I wonder if we can export the beta MP maps :D

I wonder what changes they made from the current beta too

[oohms]

I have been playing the hacked beta a fair bit.. and at big lans i try and have some 2v2 action but most of their pc's are too bad to run it properly :(

[thecake90]

Overclock those 2 pipes! Maybe you can play at 640 ;)
4 Pipes to be exact! :)

[Hicks]

OMG :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing awesome!, omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[CBONE]

This be future combat and it looks pretty...

Me Mateys! Aaarrrr!

LOL! Funniest thing I've read today!

Anyway, this game looks sooo good it's sick. Any word on this game getting DX10 enhancements?

[deathman20]

Ah demo, been playing beta but im sure this is closer to what the actual release code will be like. Time to see real preformance.

[squilliam]

can anyone find the demo? I can't. :(

[ohmegaherz]

ftp://download.gamer.no/gamer.no/supremecommanderdemo.zip

Downloading 1100kb/s

10min left :)

[citat3962]

thanks for the tip..

I can't find a place to download it that give me a better DL speed than 20kbps

Anyone know of someplace with a decent DL speed?

[squilliam]

link doesnt load...

[deathman20]

Go to fileplanet.

[X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE]

http://www.fileplanet.com/filelist.aspx?s=106522&v=0
http://www.gamershell.com/download_17675.shtm
http://au.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/supremecommander/downloads.html?mode=demos
http://www.3dgamers.com/news/more/1096486809/
http://files.filefront.com/Supreme+Commander+Demo/;6698411;;/fileinfo.html

[citat3962]

lol every one on that list except the last one is so full you can't even wait in line :)

the last one worked but it was @ <50kbps which would not give it enough time to finish before I leave work :(

oh well.. guess I'll have to start it at home later tonight :)

thanks for this news guys I've been waiting on this demo since I had trouble getting the hacked beta to work.

[John600rr]

I'm getting it from filefront at a slow 120kbps. The beta is too easy to get to work. PM me if need to know how.

[deathman20]

Commander is a walking nuke :) Sub-Commanders are mini-nukes (more like a tactical missile) when blowing up.

[John600rr]

Killing teh commander can be dangerous fro your troops as well? it's loaded with bombs or what?!!:D
http://users.telenet.be/kuan/LOL.JPG

While I'm waiting for the demo to download.. do they have the slowdown issues fixed at least?

The last Beta version I played, once about 500-750 units were in play throughout the map, FPS would drop below 10 and really start to suck.

[[XC] gomeler]

Got it downloaded but I've got to go to work.. damnit!

[Starscream]

just did a round vs an Medium AI and won cause i destroyed the enemy commander (nice nuke explosion dmging his entire base).

but i was watching my display (on my g15 keyboard) and i dunno if those readings r accurate but according to it only 1 core was being used, the other core nvr went above 5%.

[higgins]

ftp://download.gamer.no/gamer.no/supremecommanderdemo.zip

Downloading 1100kb/s

10min left :)

thanks for the link man, gettin it home at a sweet 3000kb/s :) all other public sites are still full and slow

can't wait to give it a spin :)

[Budwise]

just tried it out for the first time and i must say im disappointed. I felt like i was playing with transformers when i was a kid...

[higgins]

just tried it out for the first time and i must say im disappointed. I felt like i was playing with transformers when i was a kid...

same here.

thought the display was cluttered and the graphics aren't as good as the many trailers make them to be thanks to the ugly GUI.

[nn_step]

same here.

thought the display was cluttered and the graphics aren't as good as the many trailers make them to be thanks to the ugly GUI.
says you :rolleyes:

[John600rr]

It's definatly a lot better than the Beta, I'll be buying it. :)

[squilliam]

It wasn't anything special. I think I'll go back to Generals and Warhammer 40k thank you.

[[XC] hipno650]

about 25% at 30kbs so far:D (stupid fixed wireless) but i can't wait to play it!!! it looks really good.

[theteamaqua]

about 25% at 30kbs so far:D (stupid fixed wireless) but i can't wait to play it!!! it looks really good.

here r some good mirrors:

http://files.filefront.com/Supreme+Commander+Demo/;6698411;;/fileinfo.html

http://www.worthdownloading.com/download.php?gid=1961&id=10142

http://www.gamershell.com/download_17675.shtml

absolutely no registration require, and not those sh*tty 20k/sec download

[justin_c]

the commander reminds me of total annihilation, which its based on. i still play it; but very unstable with 3rd party units. anyways, im dling.

[Magnj]

The AI is crap unfortunately beat hard with easy, maybe the rush AI will be better since all they have is balanced. Single player looks pretty cool the way they did it

[s1rrah]

watching for the release ...

[[XC] gomeler]

Can't get it to run at 1680x1050, not sure if it is a hardware problem or a software limitation/bug. Killing the gameplay though, need to figure out what the problem is so I can completely enjoy it.

[[XC] hipno650]

here r some good mirrors:

http://files.filefront.com/Supreme+Commander+Demo/;6698411;;/fileinfo.html

http://www.worthdownloading.com/download.php?gid=1961&id=10142

http://www.gamershell.com/download_17675.shtml

absolutely no registration require, and not those sh*tty 20k/sec download

it's to bad that thats my capped download speed on this crappy connection. well i have been to 50kbs download before but it's 50% done and i don't want to stop it. but it looks good and im sure the full version will fix the ai and monitor problems.

[steelballzz]

here r some good mirrors:

http://files.filefront.com/Supreme+Commander+Demo/;6698411;;/fileinfo.html

http://www.worthdownloading.com/download.php?gid=1961&id=10142

http://www.gamershell.com/download_17675.shtml

absolutely no registration require, and not those sh*tty 20k/sec download


:D

thnxs

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4585/supremcommanderdownloadfm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[higgins]

says you :rolleyes:

hmm alright nn i'll give it another shot, just for you ;) i've been waiting for this game a long time now, hate to be disappointed again (AOE3).

[jbizzler]

For anyone who doens't liek the GUI, this game will fully support plugins for customizing your GUI and making your own units and maps and what-not. TA did too, but most of that was hacks, right?

[biohead]

:D

thnxs

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4585/supremcommanderdownloadfm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:owned:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9298/aundnd2.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aundnd2.jpg)

[zerotol]

And guys does the game omfgwtfmofopwndbbqed own ?? :lsfight:

[Jodiuh]

just tried it out for the first time and i must say im disappointed. I felt like i was playing with transformers when i was a kid...
Playing w/ Transformers and watching the cartoons are some of my most treasured childhood memories.

Found some tutorial videos (http://www.fileplanet.com/169530/160000/fileinfo/Supreme-Commander-Tutorial-Movies-%5BFilePlanet-Exclusive%5D) for n00bs like myself. :D There's some youtube style (http://www.rtscommunity.com/rts/index.php?p=getcat&db_id=4&cat_id=17) movies too.

[Sly Fox]

Game looks just amazing. I don't even like RTS's and I'm excited.

[Magnj]

custom units will be mods where as I assume custom GUI's will be allowable in ranked play

[Silver Bullet]

Demo is great, much more polished than the last beta version. Can't wait for the full release. Game kicks ass :cool:

Below. screenshot of dual monitor action (two 1280x1024 LCDs)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3286/supcomlgqo0.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supcomlgqo0.jpg)
(screenshot from beta 53, but you get the idea. Also, yes its near the end of a 3 HOUR game :) )

[Magnj]

how the hel do you play a 3 hour game, never seen one more than 90 min

[Halvie]

graphics do seem nicer on the pic posted in the game forum, but still a really fun game. Can't wait to pick it up in a couple weeks.

[Silver Bullet]

how the hel do you play a 3 hour game, never seen one more than 90 min

5 med computers in a shermish map over water. After you let everyone settle in getting them destroyed takes a while. I did it again only took me about 2 hours (learned from the first time).

[Silver Bullet]

graphics do seem nicer on the pic posted in the game forum, but still a really fun game. Can't wait to pick it up in a couple weeks.

Probably DX10 graphics, I noticed that also. IGN has some "highlight" videos they look much better than the demo. That or the final release is going to be just that much better than the demo.

[deathman20]

Probably DX10 graphics, I noticed that also. IGN has some "highlight" videos they look much better than the demo. That or the final release is going to be just that much better than the demo.

Actually DX10 graphics aren't in there yet I guess I read that it was suppose to be implemented in a patch just a little ways down the road. Now I don't feel so bad for not having a DX10 card yet :)

Ive had a few games last 4-5 hours. 4 AI on Rush, makes for a different type of game, 1 Cybran, 2 Aeon, 1 UEF, oh ya much fun against the 2 of us. But we let them build up a little bit then when time came to go in and attack they had the same idea with Tech 4 waves and nukes. That was my first encounter of them actually using nukes and defending against nukes! That made for the longer game due to there entrenchment.

[Khenglish]

I played the first mission of the demo on a 2.53 P4. I guess you can already figure that things didn't run so well. The frame rates were OK for about the first 5-10 minutes, but by the time I built an army and the map had expanded a few times, I NEVER broke 2fps. I'm not exaggerating at all. I played at 0-2 fps for around an hour and still won anyway. Playing at low or high detail on the lowest resolution had absolutely no effect with a 6800gt. When the mission ended my fps immediately went up to 20+ on high details, probably because the game was no longer doing AI. I'm guessing there is some much overhead for the AI and keeping track of all the units that there's nothing left for graphics. Half the time my PC couldn't even run the sound without it getting choppy. I never ran out of ram with 1GB with nothing else running, the only problem is the CPU.

It was still kinda fun anyway. I really like how many units are moving around at once and all the chaos, makes things seem more battle-like. Some of the effects, especially the explosions, are very pretty.

[Hicks]

Hmmm, it's very bland and boring. Music, and unit voices are rubbish. Camera is aweful. It takes an age to build anything decent, graphics are pretty crap.

A major let down..

[biohead]

Hmmm, it's very bland and boring. Music, and unit voices are rubbish. Camera is aweful. It takes an age to build anything decent, graphics are pretty crap.

A major let down..
so I'm not the only one, heh.. also I dislike the snap-to-grid style.. it's 3D but it isn't.

[justin_c]

definitely. i hate how, WC3 are all set 3d and zoom about when i move to different parts of the map. I prefer the old Total Annihilation(likewise starcraft) 2d setup, with everything flat without a grid. alot easier.

[ocmyface]

for those of you that didnt like the UI, the developers said they are working on refining it to make it more slim. they also might be making a seperate UI for each faction, but they wouldnt confirm that part. but they are making it smaller

[Hooker]

The UI itself is all scripts, so you can make your own if it bothers you that much. Or just wait until someone else does the hard work for you.


I'll wait until I finally have my new rig, shame to spoil it on this old piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[Starscream]

:owned:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9298/aundnd2.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aundnd2.jpg)


damn.
Seeing the dutch servers r hosted by multikabel im guessing u got their top abbo?
if yes do ya also get those speeds on stuff that aint hosted by multikabel?

[lizardmech]

If you are finding it takes too long to build units and start fighting you are playing it wrong. After about 5-15 mins of gameplay I have about 10x the number of units I would have in a normal RTS. The only exception to this is the first single player mission where you don't have the resources or tech to make lots of units.

[deathman20]

If you are finding it takes too long to build units and start fighting you are playing it wrong. After about 5-15 mins of gameplay I have about 10x the number of units I would have in a normal RTS. The only exception to this is the first single player mission where you don't have the resources or tech to make lots of units.

In the single player missions I maxed my unit count and both missions where less then an hour in length.

[ocmyface]

If you are finding it takes too long to build units and start fighting you are playing it wrong. After about 5-15 mins of gameplay I have about 10x the number of units I would have in a normal RTS. The only exception to this is the first single player mission where you don't have the resources or tech to make lots of units.

yup, within 10-15 minutes i have about 8 factories pumping units out. thats a hell of a lot more than any other RTS ive played

[thor_1987]

I dont like this game very much because theres little to no micro at all, its all about unit types and numbers. I dont see this game out selling any of the good RTS out there. Starcraft, Warcraft, Command and conquer

[lizardmech]

I dont like this game very much because theres little to no micro at all, its all about unit types and numbers. I dont see this game out selling any of the good RTS out there. Starcraft, Warcraft, Command and conquer
Thats the entire point of the game, you have to make strategic choices rather than microing some tank around like a 3rd person action game. Most of the RTS released over the last few years are based around who can click faster and have turned the genre into some bizarre 3rd person action game. Alot of RTS deliberatley criple the units and interface on purpose just for the sake of making it so you have to micromanage units more with things like limiting the amount of units you can select at once and hero units that require constant orders to be of any use.

[[XC] gomeler]

Well I fixed my resolution problem, it won't let me play at 1680x1050 but if I play windowed and stretch the screen it works fine. I found that cranking up the AA to 2x made the game look MUCH better and frames still stayed above 25 FPS with all other details on high. Processor usaged stayed around 40% through the entire match on a 4.1GHz e6400, Ram usage was also under 700MB iirc. The more I play through the skirmish level the more I learn the intricacies of the game, it isn't easy to pick up and immediately dominate, then again I have always been playing against the hard mode. In the end you either need to have a thick wall of turrets or a ton of bombers/helos to destroy the monkeykings that the CPU will start pumping out in regular doses. I love the way the units are tiered up but it does make it hurt badly for the players behind the tech curve, lvl 3 critters will destroy lvl 2 and 1 while the experimentals destroy everything with much haste. Experimental artillery is crazy, nothing like flattening the entire level systematically :) I'm now very impressed and can't wait for Feb 20th. Now I need a GTS and another 22" screen :p:

[deathman20]

You should beable to run a second monitor with little ot no hit in preformance. I experanced no drop in preformance.

Also there was a little thread on the Dual/Quad core systems not using its full power. This is how it goes:


:
The 2nd core is used for the sim so it generally won't be as loaded as the first core which does rendering. Hopefully your second core doesn't get fully loaded until you have a LOT of units in the game.

Another way to think about this is that rendering, which happens on the primary thread, generates as many frames as it possibly can using 100% of that cores CPU time. The simulation however has a fixed timestep and only has a certain amount of work it needs to do to "keep up" with wall clock time. This means that if your second core is fast that it won't be fully loaded all of the time. In other words the second core is idle part of the time because it's completed all of the work it needs to do.

As a sidenote I've been doing quite a bit of performance testing on quad core machines lately and they do give some benefit. In the perftest demo the first core will be at 100%, the second at 30-50% (in this specific timedemo), and the 3rd and 4th at about 10-15% each (mostly sound and some housekeeping work).

So while it seems theres little work going on at least on the second Core or other Cores. Oh can't wait to see a 10,000 unit game :) Thought 1,000 units was big mwahahah I want to see that army march across that screen in all its glorey.

I've done a Siege Bot/Monkey Lord/ Scarab build off with a friend on a map in beta. I had over 700 Siege Bots, I had loads of Monkey Lords (20) and a few Scarabs along with 8 silos of nukes. It was a small map and I nearly whipped him out early so we said lets have the biggest fight, while it took a while to get that type of production going. We had a even fight to the death, it was a huge bottleneck goign through 2 small passes but what took 90min to build (we where space limited) took nearly 45min to kill!

Not bad for a internet game with no lag at all, thats just an amazing feat right there over 1500 units gunning it out with little to no lag! I can't wait for the larger scale games.

[Hicks]

If you are finding it takes too long to build units and start fighting you are playing it wrong. After about 5-15 mins of gameplay I have about 10x the number of units I would have in a normal RTS. The only exception to this is the first single player mission where you don't have the resources or tech to make lots of units.

Well i have no idea how to properly manage resources.

[[XC] gomeler]

Lol there's you problem :) I find in the first 20 minutes I am managing 5-6 seperate little groups of engineers building seperate projects and usually moving around atleast 1-2 task forces doing mop up work against raiding bots. I spent the majority of the game in a semi-zoomed-out state while only dropping down to a rendering level when I'm building networked buildings or defensive structures. I really can't wait till the full release comes out and multiplayer games can have more than 500 units, I hit a 500 unit cap in the demo.

[Halvie]

Hmm too easy on medium and too hard on hard lol. For some reason the textures look 100% cleaner today and I didn't change any settings..no complaints about the graphics now :)

[thor_1987]

The graphics are sweet for sure, Ill give it props for that. Also I see your point about the focus on macro on this game. I just don't like how the units react, it seems like there too 1 dimensional, just attack and be attacked with no abilities at all.

[[XC] gomeler]

I just hate how the units move in columns.. I had ~100 assault bots assembled in a block, sent them out to destroy the enemy base and they started the trek out in a column. Stupid AI, I hope they fix that otherwise it'll make it hard to coordinate attacks.

[Magnj]

it works just fine, you just didn't cycle through the formations. Select your units, right click where you want them to go, left click then use right click to cycle through formations, though I do agree that there should be more formations, better coordinated attacks ans better Unit group AI, though in the Single player that seemed to be fixed

[[XC] gomeler]

Hmm I never used the formations, I've noticed it'll popup every so often when i mash buttons. I'll have to check this out :)

[biohead]

damn.
Seeing the dutch servers r hosted by multikabel im guessing u got their top abbo?
if yes do ya also get those speeds on stuff that aint hosted by multikabel?
yup Multikabel Xtra.. and I can get those speeds on any decent server.

[ocmyface]

I just hate how the units move in columns.. I had ~100 assault bots assembled in a block, sent them out to destroy the enemy base and they started the trek out in a column. Stupid AI, I hope they fix that otherwise it'll make it hard to coordinate attacks.

you can do automatic coordinated attacks. select one group tell them to attack or move somewhere then select all your other groups and double right click where you told the first group to go and all the units will move so that they arrive at the same time

[asmodean]

is it me or is there no attack move? attack on ground makes units attack that exact spot, which is retarded....

[96redformula]

is it me or is there no attack move? attack on ground makes units attack that exact spot, which is retarded....

Preach on Preacher! I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed this.... I have been having my guys go out on patrol so they will attack anything along the way.

[Aerou]

at last its a game that brings something really NEW to RTS, not just fancy graphics, no attack move sucks, but the battles are great ...
Does anyone know how to change the view of the camera, I mean the angle? I have only been able to rotate, zoom and tilt

[Silver Bullet]

Hey all, I just noticed this a couple days ago (wondering why the shield area was so small and there was no tier 3 upgrade). You can UPGRADE the tier 2 shield generators. (sorry if this is super easy and you already knew, but I found it out not to long ago and it really helped.) Upgrades are from level 1 through IV

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6361/sugob9.jpg

[ocmyface]

you can only upgrade cybrans t2 shields

[lionel57000]

i love it !! already pre-ordered mine

[irev210]

:D

thnxs

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4585/supremcommanderdownloadfm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



i always stick with videogames.yahoo.com


nothing is faster than yahoo servers when it comes to demos and patches.

[Silver Bullet]

i always stick with videogames.yahoo.com

nothing is faster than yahoo servers when it comes to demos and patches.

No free service maybe, but I got SupCom demo off of gamespot.com

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/579/dldmlx6.jpg
(though i do pay .. so not really fair. This was a constant speed too, never dropped below 700k/s)

[Aerou]

Hey all, I just noticed this a couple days ago (wondering why the shield area was so small and there was no tier 3 upgrade). You can UPGRADE the tier 2 shield generators. (sorry if this is super easy and you already knew, but I found it out not to long ago and it really helped.) Upgrades are from level 1 through IV

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6361/sugob9.jpg

it helped a lot, really .. thx, its cool :woot:

[LuckyNV]

I'll add that the other two factions have T3 shields rather than a T2 then upgrade.

I really hoped that the demo had an upgrade icon rather than having to click that other icon first.

Hopefully final retail has fixed that, along with many other changes needed compared to the latest beta.

[Revv23]

bah i am on school internet ill have it in 10 hours :( 25kb/s. :(

[rcofell]

is it me or is there no attack move? attack on ground makes units attack that exact spot, which is retarded....
Try ctrl + alt + right click ;)

There's a list of commands here (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/supremecommander/download.html?sid=6165437&om_act=convert&om_clk=mostpop).

[NapalmV5]

how can i edit mods.scd ?

[deathman20]

scd files are zip files just assositate them or change the extension.

[largon]

I wonder why these games are called "real time strategy"...
"Real time rush" would be more accurate.

[NapalmV5]

scd files are zip files just assositate them or change the extension.

oh duh! :slap: thanx! :toast:


I wonder why these games are called "real time strategy"...
"Real time rush" would be more accurate.

lol agree..

[deathman20]

Well every RTS game can be rush. Let it build up for a bit which I enjoy and you get the nice battles and is fun again :)