2000W power supplies appear (OCZ)

[mascaras]

2000W power supplies appear

GRAPHICS CARDS ARE constantly demanding more and more juice, and the levels at we are looking now are pretty much unbelievable.

While the microprocessor industry learned its lesson about bleeding power like a stuck pig, the graphics boys are still living in a dream bubble that power levels won't be reached.

Since 80nm and 65nm graphics chips are approaching fast, there is general concern how much power next generation graphics chips consume, given the fact that the PCIe Gen2 standard will give an additional 75W, or 75x4 = 300W. If you want a multiple graphics chip configuration, you will require at least 1000 Watts at 85% efficiency.

Engineers at ULTRA and OCZ Technology worked hard on this conundrum and the final results are being launched this CES. Forget about 1K or 1100 Watt power supplies, 2000 watts is now the measure of brutal power for computer components. So these power supply units (PSUs_ have power spec equal to small air-conditioning units and just mention that the approach of these two companies is totally different.





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Size does matter...



The guys at OCZ essentially placed two 900W PSUs inside a huge external box which connects to the small box which will be installed inside the case. Modular approach resulted in enormous amount of cables for the components, so even connecting two motherboards should not prove to be a problem (or a motherboard and a rail for the external dual graphics box, but we didn't told you that).






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...but technique is important as well



ULTRA took a different approach, putting a single chassis system with separate power elements for the 12V, giving out 150 Ampers of power for the components that ride the 12V rail. There is also one small issue for US households. Since the electric current is specc'ed at 15A per socket, US users will have to use two power cables in order to get the PSUs running. In Ol' mother Europe, things will be fine... for the time being.

Although it may not seem so, both PSUs will give their owners a hard time while placing the PSU inside (or outside) the case. Ultra's 2K is around twice the size of regular PSUs and pretty much require a spatious case in order to fit in, while OCZ will take the room on your desk if you don't put it on top.

Judging by the size of OCZ monster baby, it seems that a review of these monster 2K power supplies will require a separate components category.



http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=36825




regrds

[alucasa]

Am I missing something?

Has "2000w" become a new trend?

[mion]

I hope system consumption will go down one day to 300w

[3NZ0]

Massive external PSU?

No thanks :stick:

Nor does my pc need 2kw, heck, you could power every computer in my household and probably a few others with power to spare!

[lowfat]

I actually like the idea of an external power supply.

[Tony]

we will be doing an internal one also...this if got you benching freaks who want the POTS back etc.


150A on the 12V lines with 7 lines total.

Ohh and its x2 1100W cores...not 2x900

[Kunaak]

OCZ?

whoa...
now I am definatly curious.

I can't believe 2Kw is becoming the new thing.
there was no evolution from 1K to 2K.... just a complete jump.
no 1300 watters, then 1400 and so on... just right to 2Kw....

crazy.

[RyderOCZ]

let me finish my lunch...... I have more info and pics ;)

[WangChung]

What I don't understand is they obviously don't take into consideration the people that like to protect their mulit thousand dollar investments with UPSes. 2 power cables for 2 sockets is fine, if you're a total and complete moron who plugs his computer directly into the wall, but if you use even a extension strip with no surge protection, that's still using one socket. And what about this: if your computer is taking up 2 sockets (not outlets) on a wall, where are you supposed to plug in your monitor and speakers? Almost all worldwide households do NOT have two outlets next to each other, so WTF? I mean jeebus, this is a trend that the enthusiast community needs to spread the word to NOT jump on this bandwagon.

[Serra]

I don't mind that you guys decided to invent these things, but I'll definitely be tweaked by the fact that most of the people who buy them will be using a single graphics card and probably a dual-core processor. I mean sure, it's *capable* of 2000w, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a use for one beyond even 1kW at this moment. That being said, it's also likelyh cheaper to just get 2 PSU's...

[Omastar]

How pointless.

[NapalmV5]

2K psus r not pointless for the upcoming ex. 8-core/2-3 R600/numerous hdd+controllers systems

but.. 7 lines? yeh, as soon as 1 craps out the psu = bs, no thanx!

why not fused?


1100watt cores - tagan cores?

[Vapor]

let me finish my lunch......Um, no? :p:

Hurry up Mr. Ryder!

Man, I wanna work at OCZ, long lunch breaks :D ;)

At first I thought that box was the phase, then I thought the box on top was just a MASSIVE PSU, but realized I got it all wrong and it was all the PSU :wasntme:

I'm warming to the idea of an external PSU.....especially if it can remain near-silent under a 400W load.

[frankR]

Will you need to add a deticated circuit to run one of these guys?

2000/110 = 18A, and that assumes these power supples are 100% efficient, which they most definately aren't.

So well over 20A on a circuit, most breakers are only rated for 15A.

Add a monitor or two, desk lamp, speakers, TV or what else you might have in that room and you're going to easily need another circuit.

[RyderOCZ]

The OCZ PSU is designed for the serious bencher (Dry Ice, LN2, phase on the Vid Cards) in mind. This is not something the everyday user with SLI is going to need.

This unit will not fit inside your case, it is designed to sit on top of the case or alongside your open bench rig.

First is the front of the PSU, note there will be some additions here on the finished unit. LCD Display showing multiple pieces of information about what is going on with the PSU. As you can see the Pots are right on the front of the unit to adjust your voltages.

Second picture is the back of the unit showing the attachment of the "breakout" box to the main PSU unit. The "Breakout box" is multi purpose in design. If you are benching on an "open air" rig, it will sit on the table and allow you to use only the leads necessary. If you have a system mounted in a case, you can mount it in a case where the PSU normally goes (standard ATX mounting holes) and then attach the leads required for your system to function.

Final pic is of the complete unit with cables attached.

Pics available here: http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?p=210739#post210739

[Cpt Twitchy]

How pointless.
QFT

[RyderOCZ]

2K psus r not pointless for the upcoming ex. 8-core/2-3 R600/numerous hdd+controllers systems

but.. 7 lines? yeh, as soon as 1 craps out the psu = bs, no thanx!

why not fused?


1100watt cores - tagan cores?I don't understand what you mean? "as soon as 1 craps out the psu = bs" ???

[Omastar]

I thought power requirements on components was going DOWN, not up (excluding video cards; they're a damn misnomer in the power effiency ring). Not even the most serious LN2 bencher needs 2 thousand damn watts of electricity. a 1 kW would be more than sufficient considering benchers don't have 24 hard drives connected while benching, nor are they running a rack of 1U servers.

This is a gimmick for 99% of users for the forseeable future.

[Timmay]

If it is only for LN2 ect benchers then your not going to sell a whole LOT of these... But hey for those needing 2000W (:confused: ) then this looks like a good PSU for them.

[NapalmV5]

I don't understand what you mean? "as soon as 1 craps out the psu = bs" ???

sorry, i meant load, when theres too much load on 1 line..

[frankR]

The breaker will trip before this thing delivers 2000 watts.

[nn_step]

what matters to me is how much did you improve line regulation? Because I don't want a PSU, who's 12v line bounces more than the opening shot of Baywatch

[RyderOCZ]

I don't mean to say that only an LN2 bencher can buy the thing...but really those are the users that would welcome something like this because they won't have to worry about ever running out of juice.

@Napalm,

Yes but it would be hard pressed to overload 1 rail... there are 4 dedicated PCI-e lines each on a separate rail....so 2 8800GTX's would have 4 12V rails to draw from. That means each connector on the card would have its own 12V rail.

[Omastar]

what matters to me is how much did you improve line regulation? Because I don't want a PSU, who's 12v line bounces more than the opening shot of Baywatch

Bouncing harder than the 12v rail on a GXS.

[NapalmV5]

I don't mean to say that only an LN2 bencher can buy the thing...but really those are the users that would welcome something like this because they won't have to worry about ever running out of juice.

@Napalm,

Yes but it would be hard pressed to overload 1 rail... there are 4 dedicated PCI-e lines each on a separate rail....so 2 8800GTX's would have 4 12V rails to draw from. That means each connector on the card would have its own 12V rail.

im not so much worried about the video cards, its cool, im concerned about the overclocked 8-core+3x controllers+14x drives sustained @ no lower thatn 12v that will power my next system..

[RyderOCZ]

Regulation and Ripple are 2 things we looked very hard at....they will be tightly controlled.

[cadaveca]

I don't mean to say that only an LN2 bencher can buy the thing...but really those are the users that would welcome something like this because they won't have to worry about ever running out of juice.


Yeah, I'll take one.:D Looks great.

[nn_step]

Regulation and Ripple are 2 things we looked very hard at....they will be tightly controlled.
excellent :D

[Omastar]

I wonder how it wil stack up against Hipros monster ;)

Given that Hipro is an electrical engineer, I bet his will have the slight edge due to better quality control due to his not mass-marketing them.

[h@RRy]

It seems like CES is turning into the "$1000 per component" show...
Not trying to troll or anything, and while the products are in fact great, some of the price points I *think* these manufacturers will be shooting for are not...In this case, considering the "energy efficient" advent in home-user(and commercial)computing, why do we need 1-2KW PSU's? CPU's these days are faster and use less voltage, RAM is faster and operates at lower voltages, so are we now in the 1KW - 2KW phase because of...RD600?

I dunno,
h

PS.
It's cool and it's not.

[Oklahoma Wolf]

Will you need to add a deticated circuit to run one of these guys?

2000/110 = 18A, and that assumes these power supples are 100% efficient, which they most definately aren't.

So well over 20A on a circuit, most breakers are only rated for 15A.

Not quite. That's 2kW of output power, in other words, below 12 VDC. Depending on efficiency, it could still come in below a standard 15A household circuit. Personally, I'd want it on a 20A circuit all to itself though.

[cky2k6]

I hope system consumption will go down one day to 300w
system power consumption has yet to exceed 300w unless youre running multi-gpu :stick:

[nano]

No way, and nooo way!

I wont small powerful rigs not a Power Plant :(

[Omastar]

Huge PSUs like this give some people the false notion that you actually need 1000 watts to power your computer at 100% load. Wrong. This 'the more wattage, the better' tenet is crap. The more rail regulation and efficiency, the better. Higher wattages are just a selling point to get electronics illiterate people to buy $500 PSUs which they don't need, and never will need.

[Omastar]

I'm not saying it'll be a poor performing PSU, just that it likely won't be a big seller unless people buy it simply because it's 2 kW, not that they need it. Hell, that's sold plenty for other companies in the past.

[frankR]

Not quite. That's 2kW of output power, in other words, below 12 VDC. Depending on efficiency, it could still come in below a standard 15A household circuit. Personally, I'd want it on a 20A circuit all to itself though.

Ohm's law says otherwise. If it's putting out 2000 watts, a 15A circuit would definately go. A 20A would be safer, but you won't be able to run much else on it. When this thing is putting out close to it rated power, another device could trip the breaker.

I think it would be fair if OCZ points this fact out to its customers.

[[XC] Lead Head]

Ohm's law says otherwise. If it's putting out 2000 watts, a 15A circuit would definately go. A 20A would be safer, but you won't be able to run much else on it. When this thing is putting out close to it rated power, another device could trip the breaker.

I think it would be fair if OCZ points this fact out to its customers.

PSUs don't always put out their maximum current. They only deliver how ever much power is needed. Unless you are drawing 2000watts from the PSU, it wont ever need 2000watts to operate.

[cantankerous]

I guess my negative comments on this wasn't taken so lightly, my post 'mysteriously' was erased from this thread...

[Vapor]

I guess my negative comments on this wasn't taken so lightly, my post 'mysteriously' was erased from this thread...No posts were deleted or modified by a moderator in this thread....might have gotten lost in a database stall though :shrug:

[bigdaddy25fb]

I think it looks great. Who knows how much power we are going to need for the coming graphics cards (ATi R600), and honestly I don't think many home users are going to purchase this. It's geared toward guys like us, who want the extreme right? ;)

I would get one if I had a chip or a graphics setup that I knew I could push to the limits. I think its great companies are pushing the envelope forward like this, means the trickle down will make the smaller 1kw (never thought I'd say that) will drop in price and efficiency should go up. Those are just the thoughts coming from a humble Dry Ice bencher.

[nn_step]

No posts were deleted or modified by a moderator in this thread....might have gotten lost in a database stall though :shrug:
or an Admin removed it, in which case dropping the subject is preferred.

[grimREEFER]

is it too much to ask for a 2000w psu with a single 12v rail?

[Oklahoma Wolf]

is it too much to ask for a 2000w psu with a single 12v rail?

That'll be the Ultra 2kW - 12v @ 150A.

[Omastar]

That'll be the Ultra 2kW - 12v @ 150A.

I can see the fried P4 CPU connector debacle happening all over again with one 150A rail. :p:

[SewerSide]

is it too much to ask for a 2000w psu with a single 12v rail?

Or a really nice/stable 600w that doesnt cost $300.

[STEvil]

I can see the fried P4 CPU connector debacle happening all over again with one 150A rail. :p:

:slap:

If you're going to push it to the point of toasting something with a 2kw psu, you'd have done the same with a couple 500w units in parallel.

[zir_blazer]

I think that instead of focusing on the most niche market of extreme moneyburners, the R&D resources are much better spended on the development and upgrading of mainstream Power Supplies efficiency and overall capacity. This is just an extremely expensive overkill.

[Omastar]

More people would likely be interested in CryoCZ. ;)

[frankR]

PSUs don't always put out their maximum current. They only deliver how ever much power is needed. Unless you are drawing 2000watts from the PSU, it wont ever need 2000watts to operate.


That's exactly my point.

Assuming most uses won't have to concern themselves with tripping their circuit breaker because their computer system isn't capable of drawing maximum power from this PSU. Then, what's the point?

For most users, it's just an impressive sounding name (2000 watts), that they were sold to by OCZ.

Why not just build an ultra-stable, lower (realistic) power PSU?

[eva2000]

The breaker will trip before this thing delivers 2000 watts.
not for us Aussie folks with 220-240V mains :D

[SoddemFX]

Looks like a nice product :)

Ryder, what type of load did your designers use to test this and how does OCZ perform "burn in" tests for this (which is truely extreme) power ouput capability?

Tom

[RyderOCZ]

Hi Tom,

I do not know what they had it hooked up to (I believe it was a Chroma Tester unit) but while Tony was at the Manuf. They had it loaded at 2060W. It is 2 x 1100W cores in 1 unit.

The finished unit should have a nice LCD display on it showing you several data points regarding the output of the PSU.

[Oklahoma Wolf]

Why not just build an ultra-stable, lower (realistic) power PSU?

That's what the Evostream (OCZ) and X-Pro (Ultra) is for ;)

[syne_24]

I'm really digging the cables tho, nice attention to detail. It reminds me of the Hiper psu a lot. But I gotta admit 2000W is a little over the top. I know it would only draw how much is needed. But I'd prefer OCZ to make a high efficient psu around 1000W with atleast 88% and above then something as bulky as this.

[RyderOCZ]

As I said before, this is not going to be a PSU for the masses. If you want/need/thinkyouneed then we have made it available. There will be more features...but I am not going to let the entire cat out of the bag yet ;)

We are looking at adding a USB port and monitoring feature to it...what do you think? (meaning you can graph outputs during benches, etc in Windows)

[Oklahoma Wolf]

what do you think?

Beats having inaccurate hardware monitoring on the mainboard ;)

[mr_knowitall15]

I think itll make a killer Benching setup. It would be a bit bulky for most 'normmal' gaming rigs. Having a big external box would be weird, and LAN parties would be nearly impossible to take it to, but thats not who this PSU is for is it?

[Blknoel]

We are running out of resources and energy, and this is what you came up with? T-T Invest in technology to create components that use up less electricity, not more...

Poor thing our earth is, how environment friendly we humans are !

Poor hipro5, now his coming up PSU has an after market competitor. ^^

[Tony]

guys

If you are in the 110V region you will need 2 x powercords, the unit is designed with this in mind. if you are in a 240V region or close too it 1 power cord is all you need.

Some things you need to know

We need feedback...this unit is alpha and may remain alpha, its a specialist product and will not be real cheap so we need to know how many of you would consider a unit like this?

Its not finished....the LCD and possible USB interface are still to be included....LCD 100% happening...USB 50% happening.

I have been working on this since late Sept...so please do not think I copied anothers idea....you just have not heard me talk about it yet.

We want to give the benchers the PSU they always wanted..we feel this could be the one...please let us know what you think.

[Praxis1452]

I like it but as I don't have anywhere near enough power hungry things 1kw would be enough for me but honestly if your going to up vcore on your 8800gtx's and cpu to like v1.8 it's going to draw a lot. LN2 benchers would like this. Beats having multiple psu's in my opinion.

[MaxxxRacer]

Ryder, are all of the rails really seperate, or just shunts like we have seen before?

also, will it have the correct connectors to handle dual R600?


Tony: the lcd showing voltages and amperages on all rails would be very helpful, but I dont think that the USB would be entirely useful if the LCD was able to display all the aforementioned info at the same time.

[nn_step]

I honestly considering getting something like that, though I would probably sleep better if I knew that it is (or very easily) kept 100% future proof for a couple years.

[Revv23]

i like it and i think its very innovative... but i dont think i could ever get myself to spend more then $250 on a psu which most likely means i am out of your target market for this one.

[Brettbeck]

Seen as the PSU is from OCZ I would imagine it's quite good, but I really don't think we need such powerful PSUs just yet. What would happen if graphics cards and cpus started becoming more efficient? Then 2kW would have been a waste.

[Kunaak]

We need feedback...this unit is alpha and may remain alpha, its a specialist product and will not be real cheap so we need to know how many of you would consider a unit like this?

.

I'd get 1 assuming 2 things.

it doesn't eventually get useless like some of these multi rail PSU's are, with thier weaker lines, then high end videocards are now beginning to need.

and 2... that its not built from junk.

my interest in a PSU like this is nice and high, so I'd definatly be very very interested in it. but again, it really comes down to the quality, and how much life I can expect from it.

[Death_Eagle_571]

I'm very interested in this, It looks like a real winner, I hope its at least 80-85% efficiency, also, on the LCD monitor, I think a Wattage use feature would be nide, and if possible, a temperature monitor feature as well, could you please elaborate some more on the LCD?